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crymyname
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:09:00 -
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loaded up the station and bang my pc turns into over drive ..
my 12v rail drops to 11.7v and my fans start to screem ..
i run a 3.8 watercooled chip with a 5890 gpu and a corsair 750w psu ..
i'm glad i do as my temps shot up to 52 degc (normally run 48 in bf2 after 2 hrs)
all i can say is lesser systems are going to die and why such a power draw from one environment ?? it's unreal after undocking things settle not to where they were but do settle ..
CCP WHATS GOING ON ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL PC'S ??
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:11:00 -
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bad hardare and bad cooling kill PCs. Not software.
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Tarak Muritar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:13:00 -
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More worryingly Incarna kills brain cells. 
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 -
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 Originally by: crymyname
loaded up the station and bang my pc turns into over drive ..
my 12v rail drops to 11.7v and my fans start to screem ..
i run a 3.8 watercooled chip with a 5890 gpu and a corsair 750w psu ..
i'm glad i do as my temps shot up to 52 degc (normally run 48 in bf2 after 2 hrs)
What are you doing here, then? You should get on fixing that.
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crymyname
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:19:00 -
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why the increase in power draw ??it's stupid coding ..
there are bigger better graphical games out there that really don't do this ..
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:28:00 -
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CCP needs to at least seperate the docked and undocked graphics settings. Cause while my PC can easily run the space environments at 60 FPS, at the same settings it drops down to 15-20 FPS in the station. WTF
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:04:00 -
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Can you run Prime95 for an hour without your PC screaming? Because EVE cant beat Prime95 for CPU use.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:07:00 -
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Eve makes my CPU 4 degrees hotter than a 6 year old game?!?!!!? The humanity!
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
Can you run Prime95 for an hour without your PC screaming? Because EVE cant beat Prime95 for CPU use.
I ran many an hour of Prime95 while working on my overclock on my new system. Temps got up into the high 50s C. From all I read, this is fine (2600k).
I personally didn't notice all that much of an increase in temps for the cpu, or the gpu, and I'm running an ATI card (since some are claiming it's an ATI thing and not a problem for Nvidia cards). So, I really don't know what to say. For me, I've not had this terrible temperature issue.
As Zachstar has been pointing out all night/morning long, if people are having temperature problems, it's likely due to inadequate cooling/poor cable management/dust/old thermal paste/poor airflow...
To be sure, my build is quite new (and thus dust free - though I do annual cleaning of all that accumulated dust bunny crap that collects in one's case...). I've stressed it, from all I've read I've got it stable, and I'm keeping my temps low(ish) while under a Prime95 100% load. Running EVE isn't getting my cpu up above mid 40s, and only temporarily at that (usually upon docking while the CQ loads - things settle down after it's loaded or when I'm in space). As for GPU, again, I'm sitting mid 50s max, while running two clients.
So, pretty much, I think Zachstar has this one figured out. I think the Incarna issues can be solved with proper cooling attention/maintenance.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 -
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Heck it is a good wake up call for those running with PCs full of dust which is a severe danager of MOSFET overheating which can be dangerous.
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Bauer Supreme
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:21:00 -
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Think mine could do with a spring clean, whats the best way to remove dust and also, do you just add more paste or do you clean the old stuff off too? Last time i tried doing that, something bad happened :)
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bauer Supreme
Think mine could do with a spring clean, whats the best way to remove dust and also, do you just add more paste or do you clean the old stuff off too? Last time i tried doing that, something bad happened :)
You need to read up on removing the heatsink and installing it again as it applies to the socket you have. There are many youtube videos on the subject. Spend good time learning about it as indeed a bad application can lead to damage.
And yes you want to clean the old stuff off. Dont do that with the CPU still in the mobo. It needs to be removed (Remember to keep from shocking it with static by using a grounding strap.) first.
If you arent 100 percent sure you know how to do it safely after looking online for info. Consider having it properly serviced at a shop.
Removing dust is best done with compressed air which can be bought at many stores such as wal mart and best buy. And many computer shops have them too.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis Sachs on 22/06/2011 09:35:38
Originally by: Bauer Supreme
Think mine could do with a spring clean, whats the best way to remove dust and also, do you just add more paste or do you clean the old stuff off too? Last time i tried doing that, something bad happened :)
Compressed air is good stuff for a quick fix. When I do a clean, I take my whole rig apart. Each case fan comes out, and I clean the **** out of it. For this, I go through a metric ton of q-tips with isopropyl alcohol (try to get as high a grade of alcohol as you can - Walmart has 91%, and I think more than this is becoming hard to find). I take hours doing this. Depending on the cpu cooler (I am not water cooled, can not even remotely speak on that) it may be possible to remove the fan from the heat sink (my old rig) and clean that. My new system has a large Zalman cooler and so, in the future, when I clean it, I'll have to reapply thermal goop. Once I have all the case fans clean - and remember, I've taken damned near everything out of the case - I use a good old vacuum cleaner to suck all the dust bunnies out of the case and to clean the fan grills.
As for the thermal paste - you definitely need to remove the old. You want to go for as thin a layer as you can that covers the cpu thermal casing. Best possible thing would be for the heatsink to make perfect metal-to-metal contact with the cpu casing. Since that's not possible, we use thermal goop. So, a thin layer is best. (You will very likely use too much if you've never done this before.) To clean the old goop, well, enter mr isopropyl alcohol again. Artic Silver makes a product to remove old goop, I've found the alcohol works fine to get the job done. There are lots of thoughts on this - just google "remove old thermal compound" or something similar.
I think Zachstar mentioned how people would likely be surprised to see what years of dust can do to the inside of your case. Seriously - there will be dust monsters living in there!
Edit: I should add that while I'm far from some pro system builder, or someone who builds for a living, I've been assembling my own rigs since... 1999 I think? I tinkered around even earlier than that, but since 99, every one of my builds has been my own. I would hazard that Zachstar is more pro than I am, but I do feel I've got a decent bit of experience in this situation. As he mentioned - google is your friend showing you videos, and how to guides, and all that jazz. If you think your cooling is not up to snuff, newegg is your friend with all sorts of cooling options - new cases, fans out the wazoo, liquid cooling or air cooling (I really like my Zalman). Now, he mentioned in another thread that a stock heatsink/fan will work for stock speeds - but if you'd like the security of more cooling, there are any number of nice 3rd party heatsink/fans that will give you more oomph and not break the bank.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:35:00 -
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Few months ago I finally cleaned my computer after years and years. The dust was ridiculous. Cleaning out the CPU heat sink was easy enough but the GPU was a different matter since many can have odd processor housing. Anyway either compressed air or a q-tip will do (I used a q-tip). I also upgraded my CPU at the time. When I removed the old one (single-core Pentium IV zomg) it even had little scorch marks on the underside.
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mater Dolorosa on 22/06/2011 09:37:39
Apprently CCP wants us to buy a 1500Ç PC (with a NVidia card) burning 1000 Watts all fans outloud to get a sim in a 4Ç/night filthy motel with a broom in the arse !
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:40:00 -
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**** with all the whines about heat I am happy I bought a coolermaster V8 for my comp last weekend, came in yesterday.
Might just install it before I run incarna, oh no wait I did run it allready in sisi with my stock cooler, it made some noise but nothing melted...
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust
Few months ago I finally cleaned my computer after years and years. The dust was ridiculous. Cleaning out the CPU heat sink was easy enough but the GPU was a different matter since many can have odd processor housing. Anyway either compressed air or a q-tip will do (I used a q-tip). I also upgraded my CPU at the time. When I removed the old one (single-core Pentium IV zomg) it even had little scorch marks on the underside.
When I cleaned an old PC of a friend's I literally told him in my opinion he was risking his home running it like he did. the floor was covered with dust and I literally had to run out of the room after I tired to blow dust off the battery.
That was a MASSIVE fire waiting to happen! and it wasnt even high performance MOSFETS either! They were completely buried under dust.
Get those computers clean folks! If you can't do it yourself take it to a shop!
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mater Dolorosa
Edited by: Mater Dolorosa on 22/06/2011 09:37:39
Apprently CCP wants us to buy a 1500Ç PC (with a NVidia card) burning 1000 Watts all fans outloud to get a sim in a 4Ç/night filthy motel with a broom in the arse !
Um... not really no?
My build cost me about $700 - though I did not need a new case (full tower, lots of fans) or a new hard drive, or a monitor. I got a new mobo/cpu/ram/vid card (and a rather low end one at that!). Nearly half of that was the cpu. My card is an ATI, and it's getting the job done ok (I have no doubt that a $700+ card from EITHER ATI or Nvidia would tear Incarna up). So no, if you feel confident you can do the build yourself, you don't need anything approaching 1500 euros.
And my dinky $600 lappy can play just fine, though CQ is disabled on that one, with low video settings due to integrated Intel graphics.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
When I cleaned an old PC of a friend's I literally told him in my opinion he was risking his home running it like he did. the floor was covered with dust and I literally had to run out of the room after I tired to blow dust off the battery.
That was a MASSIVE fire waiting to happen! and it wasnt even high performance MOSFETS either! They were completely buried under dust.
Get those computers clean folks! If you can't do it yourself take it to a shop!
While the enthusiasts certainly know it, a simple investment in some extra case fans for better airflow can make a world of difference too. Of course the dust will still need to be cleaned, but if it's an option money-wise (and unlike some screaming "get a new computer you losers" or something to that effect, I understand that not everyone can go drop change on a new case/fans/heatsink...), a good case, and lots of fans can really help to get the right kind of airflow moving through your rig. As I said before, perhaps an investment in a better cpu cooler would make some improvement.
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Bauer Supreme
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:47:00 -
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Thanks for the tips, i build my own PC's but tbh i dont really look after them once thats been done. Normal clean happens when i change mobo and CPU every 12-16 months. But i have fans sucking in air, even though the GF keeps the house clean it still ends up full of dust 
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bauer Supreme
Got no problem with taking the heatsink off, but i have not tried cleaning paste of a cpu before!
I just did this about a week ago. As I said, just rubbing alcohol 91%, a lot of q-tips, a lot of patience, and some coffee filters. Aside from the time it took (I suppose the AS crap works better/faster) it's really not that big a deal. I mean, you know, treat the cpu with respect - don't drop it, cover your rear end on the static discharge front, and be patient. All it took was time. Hell, getting the thermal crap off my hands was the bigger issue in the end lol.
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joshua mckayne
Amarr
Midnight Clockwork
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:58:00 -
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that reminds me, i need to do a bit of spring cleaning in my case as well. time blast the dust out and raid them dust bunnies!
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xXThunder StruckXx
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:00:00 -
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Dust problem? easy. rip the side off with a claw hammer, point the garden hose inside, turn on hose. Never fails
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: joshua mckayne
that reminds me, i need to do a bit of spring cleaning in my case as well. time blast the dust out and raid them dust bunnies!
Try not to have to be reminded you need to clean out your case. You don't want one of those reminders to be a blown MOSFET.
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joshua mckayne
Amarr
Midnight Clockwork
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:02:00 -
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i agree with some of the above posters in regards to airflow and cleanliness, ziptie your cables and try to keep them from taking up too much space and blasting the dust out makes a world of difference.
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Czeris
Bad Kitty Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: joshua mckayne
i agree with some of the above posters in regards to airflow and cleanliness, ziptie your cables and try to keep them from taking up too much space and blasting the dust out makes a world of difference.
Not alot of dust in my case, but quite a bit of dog hair. That's ok, right?
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joshua mckayne
Amarr
Midnight Clockwork
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: joshua mckayne
that reminds me, i need to do a bit of spring cleaning in my case as well. time blast the dust out and raid them dust bunnies!
Try not to have to be reminded you need to clean out your case. You don't want one of those reminders to be a blown MOSFET.
mere exaggeration on my part, but the case has gotten more dusty than i would prefer.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:05:00 -
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Making the idle screen of a game played in the background by many, into the biggest resource hog available on computers.... Priceless.
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joshua mckayne
Amarr
Midnight Clockwork
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Czeris
Originally by: joshua mckayne
i agree with some of the above posters in regards to airflow and cleanliness, ziptie your cables and try to keep them from taking up too much space and blasting the dust out makes a world of difference.
Not alot of dust in my case, but quite a bit of dog hair. That's ok, right?
lol your joking right? :) if not then clean it asap, it can turn out worse than dust in some cases since the hair can burn if your hardware is hot enough.
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Sachs
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Um... not really no?(...)
2 month old laptop:
i5-480M @ 2,6GHz
HD 6650M with 2Gb ram
8GB of RAM
That should be enough to move a sim in a 12M3 room on a 13,3inches screen, apparently not...
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