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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:04:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy.
I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy.
Liberty implies responsibility, thus if one is stupid enough to buy this MT crap, one must assume the responsibility of wearing an item that conveys a lack of good judgement. Any corp or alliance that would allow such a loose and unpredictably brain dead tool into their ranks, would be stupid.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
Lilliana Stelles
Caldari
Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:09:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy.
I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy.
Liberty implies responsibility, thus if one is stupid enough to buy this MT crap, one must assume the responsibility of wearing an item that conveys a lack of good judgement. Any corp or alliance that would allow such a loose and unpredictably brain dead tool into their ranks, would be stupid.
Hardly. I could buy a monocle just to show my affluence. For the same reason that I buy designer labels in real life. And for the same reason people purchase limited-run ships in Eve. There's no difference whatsoever. That's personal taste, not poor judgement.
Personally, I'm not using the noble exchange because nothing there looks unique enough to pique my interest. Were the items a bit more flashy and colorful, I'd likely have already emptied my wallet on them.
I personally support this direction of development. It's no reflection of my wisdom or intelligence. I prefer to have customization features over changes to gameplay; in fact, as far as gameplay is concerned, they can leave well enough alone. Whenever they nerf or buff something, all that results is a stream of complaints. They are doing what they should be doing: focusing on aesthetics. That's what will make the game appeal to new audiences. They have to see something new. They won't notice a small change in mechanics.
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Nilania Telshua
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:10:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Liberty implies responsibility.
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:26:00 -
[124]
Going to purge anyone who doesn't have a monocle
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Alice Celadon
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:43:00 -
[125]
Of course it's hard to keep the rank and file on message, but I assure you that peons like Elise Randolph know the horrible and swift consequences visited by PL leaders on anyone who engages in MT.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:45:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Swren1
Edited by: Swren1 on 22/06/2011 20:01:10
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
I can't support this.
At least not until you explain why.
Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve.
Yer and look what it gets us, a load of crap is what.
Then stop playing. 
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:47:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Alice Celadon
Of course it's hard to keep the rank and file on message, but I assure you that peons like Elise Randolph know the horrible and swift consequences visited by PL leaders on anyone who engages in MT.
Of course, prefix the abbreviation with an 'R' and all is fine.
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TheLastZmeul
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:14:00 -
[128]
Edited by: TheLastZmeul on 22/06/2011 21:14:27
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
I can't support this.
At least not until you explain why.
Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve.
it's quite simple actually
as far as I know, CCP claims that a lot more resources and time got into developing Incarna than they originally planed
if CCP could've used even 1/2 of the resources that went into CQ and would've fixed how many years old bugs and issues still persistent in EVE, even the new ones introduced in "Incursions" everyone would've benefited from that
CQ - no one wants or has use for it, and yes that includes the 1% of you who actually find some strange way to make gameplay out of it
CQ benefits who? new players? well yes, until they undock
after that is the same excel multi-layered spread sheet we all play
I do not support CCP in cases like this
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Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
Graphics > Gameplay....
/facepalm....
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:41:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy.
I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy.
Liberty implies responsibility, thus if one is stupid enough to buy this MT crap, one must assume the responsibility of wearing an item that conveys a lack of good judgement. Any corp or alliance that would allow such a loose and unpredictably brain dead tool into their ranks, would be stupid.
Hardly. I could buy a monocle just to show my affluence. For the same reason that I buy designer labels in real life. And for the same reason people purchase limited-run ships in Eve. There's no difference whatsoever. That's personal taste, not poor judgement.
Ah the good ol middle class trap of designer status, So glad to see you have succumbed to its charms. While you're out there at the local strip mall, your ever so fash Louboutins clacking the faux slate pavers, do remember that Liberty, and taste, both are two way streets. You are not entitled to have your liberty and yet deny it for another. The examination of another's judgement is for them to determine, not you.
Such is the price of Liberty, a word you clearly do not understand. If PL or any corp wishes to judge, look down upon, grief, ridicule, besmirch and generally make a mockery of a monocle wearing goof, they're well within their rights to do so. For you to "personally suggest" that they do something you judge correct or not is an affront to the very basis of your own argument.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:48:00 -
[131]
I approve of this and will certainly smile upon any corp or alliance with this policy =)
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:51:00 -
[132]
Originally by: TheLastZmeul
Edited by: TheLastZmeul on 22/06/2011 21:14:27
CQ - no one wants or has use for it, and yes that includes the 1% of you who actually find some strange way to make gameplay out of it
So not only did you pluck that phrase out of your arse you also contradicted yourself by claiming 1% of no one who has use for it manage to find a way to have a use for it...
Interesting, the plot thickens
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:54:00 -
[133]
speak for yourself.. I like captain's quarters...
game of spinning your ship while docked was f'ing stupid and didn't make sense.
Now to unlock the station doors so we can all pour out into the station's promenade areas.
and noone wants to recruit some noob that can't afford a monocle... just proves you dont know how to make isk
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Bosquit
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:12:00 -
[134]
While CCP made the prices of clothes ridiculous it's up to the players of Eve on how they spend there isk and real money. Flex your muscles PL, like it will make a difference. Go find something better to do like possibly practicing so you don't get destroyed in the alliance tournament.
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jitaalt47069
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 -
[135]
@OP: If people want to waste their money on internet monocles why not? More money for CCP.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:07:00 -
[136]
Anyone looked at a limited API since CQ bomb(shell)? Is Aur listed?
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:15:00 -
[137]
For those posting that this does not affect you/us that does not wish to buy anything. You are wrong.
CCP has a limited number of developers and other resources. If NeX started to prove a very viable avenue and bring in more money than the subscriptions, then any business savvy leadership would spend more resources and effort on creating items for the NeX - granted, that's a lot of money, especially since they pay for RL fashion designers (Can see it now... Project Runway 15, Episode 5 challenge: Design an outfit for EvE)...
That means less resources to developer the core game. Fewer bugs fixes and fewer new features where it matters, in space.
So it does affect you. Take those blinkers off or you may awaken to a rude surprise when suddenly there are items that you can't afford, and that actually affect the core gameplay of EvE, without being available to the general populace.
-G
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Alexingeras
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:13:00 -
[138]
Way to go PL, i admire and support this initiative. It's time for the people who are filling CCP's pockets to make their voice heard.
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Triple Entendre
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:16:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Brannor McThife
granted, that's a lot of money, especially since they pay for RL fashion designers (Can see it now... Project Runway 15, Episode 5 challenge: Design an outfit for EvE)...
Don't worry. It's not like CCP ever get around to putting promised competition winning entries into the game anyway.
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Thom Baron
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:19:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Thom Baron on 23/06/2011 08:19:03
If you still don't understand, Simply put:
If people spend money on MT,
CCP will focus on MT, not the things that make the game a spaceship combat game.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:20:00 -
[141]
Alice Celadon, you are doing it wrong!
Don't expel them, podkill them 
I mean, it is a sandbox game, right? And roleplaying too, right? Maybe your char just hates filthy rich capsuleers which spend their isk on vanity items instead of using the isk in combat. So your char has every reason to podkill other capsuleers who bought those fancy items. It is like some of those metrosex guys walking into a village of rednecks, he would end beaten up quite badly too  |
BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:28:00 -
[142]
Why is the OP so obsessed about clothing?
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:42:00 -
[143]
Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY
Why is the OP so obsessed about clothing?
OP is not obsessed about clothing.
OP realizes that we gave CCP a chance to prove they could be responsible with microtransactions and what we got was a $70 monocle.
That's like loaning your teenager the car only to have them crash it through a convent and peel out on a nun's face.
CCP can't have the keys anymore!
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:44:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Alice Celadon
The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created.
Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay?
Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items.
If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect.
While you are at it. Hulkageddon was yesterday. Monoclegeddon is today!
Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Race Drones
13th Squadron
E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:35:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Alice Celadon
Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items.
I Want to fight against the idiocy of cash shops, i'm not CEO, but my credits cards have a voice.
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Ven'Nochthos
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:53:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Ven''Nochthos on 23/06/2011 12:55:08
Since people will be devoting themselves to gathering this information, once could create a public database with info on the offending characters / players (Hall of Shame or something).
And yet, for reason, this is starting to remind me of 1984...
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Valeroth Kyarmentari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:25:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
I can't support this.
At least not until you explain why.
Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve.
The main point of any MMO is to, primarily, express yourself to a global community. (Which is what separates EVE from games such as Halo, where everyone looks the same.) The mediocre combat of Eve is only second to how one expresses themselves through their customization of their ship, avatar, and financial influence.
In this way, buying real-money items is very much a quintessential part of the whole gameplay experience.
You may as well say "we're not recruiting players who mine", or "we're not recruiting players who mission."
While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy.
I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy.
That's what I used to think... when I thought the micro-transactions were actually micro. When virtual items costs more than real items my mind is changed.
I'd have to say that if your a major alliance leader, you want your troops spending money on ships and pew pew. So the policy makes sense to me.
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Moabama
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 -
[148]
Hmmm, I am not too sure if PL is being sincere here and really looking out for the good of the game, or the good of themselves. Is this merely a ploy?
Perhaps one of their alliance competitors is heavily invested in buying and reselling these items for profit. So in order to hurt their competitor, they want these items boycotted.
Isn't that usually the way these big alliances fight now, with disinformation, spygames, and economic diversions?
However, I can see a bigger issue with game play that seems contradictory to me. There is a push with all the recent changes to try to get/lure more people out into lowsec and null sec. The changes are made to make things more interesting out there, and make it possible for small gangs to be able to "invade" and get involved. When all there was to do in highsec was spin in station, this meant a pilot had to consider going to lowsec or null sec if they asked themselves what do I do next. NOW, there will be incentive to stay in station, and socialize rather than venturing forward. (particularly during wars - there will be fashion shows instead of fighting griefers)
While it may be true that this new content may attract new users, they will probably stay in station, in highsec, while trading clothing, socializing, humping each other, whatever, RATHER than going out into lowsec, or null sec.
IN conclusion, PL is either becoming the Fashion Police, or they have some other objective and dasterdly work at hand. Also, CCP's work to encourage pilots to venture into unknown space is being undermined through the offering of monocles and the wonders of CQ and station space.
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Loki's Angel
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:17:00 -
[149]
why punish those of us who have the isk to burn? if someone bought the items via ingame isk, how is that bad?
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:19:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Moabama
Hmmm, I am not too sure if PL is being sincere here
I've seen PL members boasting their new NEX stuff so no
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