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Alice Celadon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [1] The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect.
Kavin Alavandar Extropy Dianoetics	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:16:00 - [2] Shows your priorities, I guess. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky
DeBingJos Minmatar Jukebox Warriors	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:18:00 - [3] Your topic will be locked very soon imo. But I like the way you think!
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 - [4] But ISK buying and botting to have supers is cool though? Right? ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 - [5] is PL supporting this? all we really need is chribba to say remove incarna and it would be done.
Machon Danichus	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:21:00 - [6] Actually that sounds like a really potentially successful idea and would certainly twist some arms both in-game and out of it. Evil though, deeply evil, but then... this is EVE, or at least it used to be. <3
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:23:00 - [7] I don't have to ban members. Everyone I've talked to is LOLing at CCP making a mockery of itself.
Adrauss 9 Caldari Neuromancer Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:25:00 - [8] So you did realize you dont have to spend any RL cash to get these items , all you need to do is buy Plex ingame and convert . So you would like to stop people joining corps for making isk and paying to pay with isk ? sounds like an interesting concept , punish the people that play how it should be played .
Alice Celadon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:28:00 - [9] Yes, as chief recruitment officer for Pandemic Legion and all affiliates I made the call earlier today. Because our wallet is a bit heftier than most, we've taken extra measures -- We're using trade alts to passively monitor who's even just buying and selling the items in Jita. All such players and connected alts will also be permanently banned from joining.
Naitrayera Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:40:00 - [10] Supported.

Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:40:00 - [11] +1 pandemic legion take it a step further and go for the ship ganks too.
Asuka Smith Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:43:00 - [12] I strongly support this movement. Pandemic Legion to the rescue~~~ First you killed NC, then you killed Aurum! You are the right men at the right time.
Nathal Kryos Mean Corp Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:45:00 - [13] +1
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:55:00 - [14] I support this idea. People with a monocle should be automatically set to -10 standings and automatically war decced. We need a few CSM guys to make a stand against this money stealing scam as well. You're supposed to be representing the interests of us players so get to it and flame the **** out of CCP for this affront to human decency.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Alice Celadon Yes, as chief recruitment officer for Pandemic Legion and all affiliates I made the call earlier today. Because our wallet is a bit heftier than most, we've taken extra measures -- We're using trade alts to passively monitor who's even just buying and selling the items in Jita. All such players and connected alts will also be permanently banned from joining. who wants to join an alliance that receives isk from RMTing alliances anyways ? fly safe
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:05:00 - [16] Nice move...ccp needs a punch in the face.
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:10:00 - [17] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Nice move...ccp needs a punch in the face. If CEO's across the game actually were to pull this off..... wow. I would trully be impressed.
Mr Abstoss	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [18] +1
Galandole Tsuramananda	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [19] Right This'll work because, the people who care enough about joining a big alliance won't bother with buying MT items, and the people who buy MT items probably couldn't care less about joining a big alliance. Good move guys.
Imeer	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:18:00 - [20] Edited by: Imeer on 22/06/2011 09:19:21 Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Frankly I have the isk to just buy one. Would that mean I get blacklisted for just burning isk that was going to waste anyway?

Zoroa Aulx-Gao	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:20:00 - [21] Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:21:36 Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:20:57 Originally by: Imeer Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Frankly I have the isk to just buy one. Would that mean I get banned for just burning isk that was going to waste anyway? The point is that by buying AURUM items you're increasing the demand for something many players seem to consider a waste of time, that are a waste of resouces and bring nothing to the game.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:22:00 - [22] Recruit them, then take their stuff. Anyone who would pay $60 for a virtual suit has more money than sense and they are likely easily parted. ---
Imeer	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:21:36 Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:20:57 Originally by: Imeer Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Frankly I have the isk to just buy one. Would that mean I get banned for just burning isk that was going to waste anyway? The point is that by buying AURUM items you're increasing the demand for something many players seem to consider a waste of time, that are a waste of resouces and bring nothing to the game. But I buy plex for game time as it is. So what if I just bought plex for isk used them to buy the monocle, and then bought more plex for game time?
Big Bad Guy	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:25:00 - [24] good move, since PLEX prices are already sky high, nullsec nerfed to **** (should i remind all the recent changes??) and now this... it will only increase demand for PLEX and make prices go even higher. PLEX prices will draw all other prices with them, way to go... ruined station hangars and ecomony in one shot, yahoo, CCP you rock
Zoroa Aulx-Gao	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Imeer Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:21:36 Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:20:57 Originally by: Imeer Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Frankly I have the isk to just buy one. Would that mean I get banned for just burning isk that was going to waste anyway? The point is that by buying AURUM items you're increasing the demand for something many players seem to consider a waste of time, that are a waste of resouces and bring nothing to the game. But I buy plex for game time as it is. So what if I just bought plex for isk used them to buy the monocle, and then bought more plex for game time? Do whatever you want, I just hope you're buying PLEX with mountains of ISK and not money, and that you weren't planning on trying to join PL apparently.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:28:00 - [26] Originally by: James Hawkins Originally by: Alice Celadon Yes, as chief recruitment officer for Pandemic Legion and all affiliates I made the call earlier today. Because our wallet is a bit heftier than most, we've taken extra measures -- We're using trade alts to passively monitor who's even just buying and selling the items in Jita. All such players and connected alts will also be permanently banned from joining. who wants to join an alliance that receives isk from RMTing alliances anyways ? fly safe But it's been ages since PL did contract work for the NC Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Acac Sunflyier Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Originally by: Imeer Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:21:36 Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 22/06/2011 09:20:57 Originally by: Imeer Frankly I have the isk to just buy one. Would that mean I get banned for just burning isk that was going to waste anyway? The point is that by buying AURUM items you're increasing the demand for something many players seem to consider a waste of time, that are a waste of resouces and bring nothing to the game. But I buy plex for game time as it is. So what if I just bought plex for isk used them to buy the monocle, and then bought more plex for game time? Do whatever you want, I just hope you're buying PLEX with mountains of ISK and not money, and that you weren't planning on trying to join PL apparently. Oh yeah i sue isk i haven't paid for this game for a while now
Nathal Kryos Mean Corp Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:37:00 - [28] The vicious stigmatisation of those who encourage CCP to go down this route by wasting money on this rubbish is the best weapon we have. Point out, ridicule. Linky to your friends in game and in the forums. Repeat.
James Hawkins	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: James Hawkins Originally by: Alice Celadon Yes, as chief recruitment officer for Pandemic Legion and all affiliates I made the call earlier today. Because our wallet is a bit heftier than most, we've taken extra measures -- We're using trade alts to passively monitor who's even just buying and selling the items in Jita. All such players and connected alts will also be permanently banned from joining. who wants to join an alliance that receives isk from RMTing alliances anyways ? fly safe But it's been ages since PL did contract work for the NC its funny tho how the biggest RMTing website is run by russians obviously .... fly safe
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:40:00 - [30] As recruitment officer for my current corp, I will be doing this also. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist

Captain Mung	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Alice Celadon Yes, as chief recruitment officer for Pandemic Legion and all affiliates I made the call earlier today. Because our wallet is a bit heftier than most, we've taken extra measures -- We're using trade alts to passively monitor who's even just buying and selling the items in Jita. All such players and connected alts will also be permanently banned from joining. :thumbsup:
Sanae Minolia	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:43:00 - [32] +1
Kalaarac Le Souffle D'Erevos	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:45:00 - [33] +1
Tomarix Vindigo	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't have to ban members. Everyone I've talked to is LOLing at CCP making a mockery of itself. same here...
Nemesis Factor Caldari Apolitical	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:56:00 - [35] So if someone buys a PLEX with isk in order to spen on their sub they are fine, but if they buy a PLEX to convert in aurum they should be kicked out of the corp? ==================== ~/~ Sultan of Buruni
Anterios Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Nemesis Factor So if someone buys a PLEX with isk in order to spen on their sub they are fine, but if they buy a PLEX to convert in aurum they should be kicked out of the corp? Yes
Alice Celadon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:09:00 - [37] Corps which require full high security apis from their members can also search assets for offending items. So far I am in talks with a number of major alliances to get this initiative rolling.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:10:00 - [38] Originally by: Nemesis Factor So if someone buys a PLEX with isk in order to spen on their sub they are fine, but if they buy a PLEX to convert in aurum they should be kicked out of the corp? Anyone who defiles gametime by converting into non-functional pixels should be banished imo.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:11:00 - [39] +1
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:14:00 - [40] YOU'LL NEVER SEE MY PANTS!

Anterios Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet YOU'LL NEVER SEE MY PANTS! Your pants cost more than my faction battleship, I win by default.
Alucard Shadows Mystic Legion Darkmatter Initiative	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet YOU'LL NEVER SEE MY PANTS! Would love to physically see someone get podded by pants or w/e
Randomize All	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:26:00 - [43] I wonder how much in Aurum a "Run" key will cost.
Adrauss 9 Caldari Neuromancer Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Alice Celadon Corps which require full high security apis from their members can also search assets for offending items. So far I am in talks with a number of major alliances to get this initiative rolling. I think big corps and Alliances should be forced to pay Aurum for Full high security api's . lol
Neo160	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:38:00 - [45] Edited by: Neo160 on 22/06/2011 11:39:25 +1 wasting money and isk for this junk is a waste of resources, buying stuff with arum represents a large lack of understanding of whats in important in this game. its imperative to survive and thrive, not waste valuable resources into simply looking different, as looking "good" or "better" than other players is not possible, as that's a matter of opinion, not money. i think my glasses look better than any arum item in the store, but that's only a matter of opinion. the same goes for arum items, they don't guarantee you will look any better without them, so essentially, there's no point. Arum items only guarantees you don't "get eve" and don't have a proper set of priorities. and therefore an arum buyer is not recruitment material. again, +1
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:42:00 - [46] Hell yeah, organized resistance And to all suicide gankers out there: Nothing juicier than vanity painted ships, right? ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:49:00 - [47] I think it might be fun to make anyone with visible accessories KOS. Wherever you went - Here you are.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Ghoest I think it might be fun to make anyone with visible accessories KOS. Anyone need some extra dps for that gank squad send me a mail. I'm not joking either.
Shepard Book	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. This is hilarious. You want vanity items so bad youÆre doing this... YouÆre in one of the richest alliances in the game and embarrassing yourself.
Klown Walk Skull's Reloaded.	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:55:00 - [50] Hope more corps/alliances does this.

Valeroth Kyarmentari	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:11:00 - [51] Okay, so I'm a tiny fish here in a sea of big wigs... But I have to say I find this whole thread odd. Probably I won't buy any vanity items (I'd rather spend my ISK on my ship), but why so much hostility to do those that do? CCP is a company, and they must make money to thrive. The more money they make the more people they can hire. If someone wants to donate more money to CCP why do you care? You all seem to think that them making this little extra money will hurt the game. I can assure you that with the time and energy they have already put into it, if they don't make any money off it, that surely will hurt the game. And besides. 75% of the population of EVE is a fairly permanent resident of high security space. Do you think the average player will even know of this alliance ban? What if someone new who just started, purchased an item... with ISK. Perhaps he didn't even know it was a vanity item. 2 years down the road he's a hardcore killer who has spent 99.9% of his ISK on PvP ships, your going to ban him from your alliance? As I said... I probably won't buy them anyway, but I can't see joining any corp that is going to tell me what I can and cannot do with my money (ISK or real), and I would imagine quite a few people will feel the same way.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Valeroth Kyarmentari CCP is a company, and they must make money to thrive. And the next brainwashed hamster. CCP thrived for 8 years, the game did grow on the modell. Its build around its economy and player interaction. The reasons for all this bull** is not that EVE doesnt give them revenue, its that they **ed up on other fronts, now we pay the price for that. And you wonder why ppl are angry?
Swynet State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Thought I was reading some cartoon but no, people thinking like this really exist.
Evil Resident Lunar Tech	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:24:00 - [54] +1 I'm actually quite disgusted by the pricing structure in the new shop, in the current economical climate it shows CCP has lost touch with it's playerbase and just wants our teat's to milk dry. Guess next month they will release a "hoody" worth 1 billion isk so i can look like I did before incarna.
Fukov Andie	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:30:00 - [55] Or just ban every monocle buyer for RMT
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Yeah, f*ck the system! That'll show them... You're such a failure Show us on the doll where the bad monocle touched you.
Valeroth Kyarmentari	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:34:00 - [57] Edited by: Valeroth Kyarmentari on 22/06/2011 12:34:28 Okay I hadn't actually visited the vanity store yet (even though i don't object, I didn't have any special draw for me). I still haven't checked it out, but from what I'm hearing of the prices... I will say, I'm a bit alarmed. When I made my initial comments, I didn't realize the prices. While I still don't technically object to the idea... I probably would think twice about recruiting someone who paid 1 Billion ISK on an eyepiece. Why you wouldn't use that much ISK on a faction battleship, or 3 months subscription is a bit beyond me. I thought people would be spending maybe 100k max or so on vanity items, maybe even in a few million. I figured one mission could cover any and all items I might want. The rumors I'm hearing though seem that this is not the case. If your constantly at war, you do not want your members spending billions on items they can't fight with.
Sanya Lyss	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 - [58] I don't see the point in this. If someone wants to buy monocle for 12000 aur, I don't really care. That's his/her problem, not mine. Why should I ban someone from corp only because of that, even if (s)he is maybe good at pvp or some other things?? If someone will spend 10 plexes for cool clothes and items, I don't f... care.
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 - [59] +1 to OP Will not recruit and will banish And I support MTgeddon
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Valeroth Kyarmentari I thought people would be spending maybe 100k max or so on vanity items, maybe even in a few million. I figured one mission could cover any and all items I might want. The rumors I'm hearing though seem that this is not the case. I thought the same. I would pay 2M for shoes but not 250M! Fot that price I can rather buy a cool faction ship. :D

Alice Celadon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:47:00 - [61] It was always promised that Incarna would herald the inception of new cutthroat gameplay. Instead we have a cash shop which apparently has three entire teams of developers devoted to full-time money grubbing when the game is desperately in need of new content. The fact that the new station environment goes contentless while CCP devs negotiate licensing deals with Dior and Gucci is too much to stand. Our training corp already rejected one potential applicant brazen enough to brag about his purchase of precision boots.
Norbert mochgland	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 - [62] +1
Tom Dering	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:36:00 - [63] Edited by: Tom Dering on 22/06/2011 14:36:27 Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Take it a step further, wardec corps that allow pilots with purchased real money items until they boot the purchaser
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:55:00 - [64] Confirmed CEO is on board. Recruitment ban, ejections, and MTgeddon.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:57:00 - [65] Awww, why be so mean to someone so pretty?
Adrauss 9 Caldari Neuromancer Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:58:00 - [66] All of this posturing is really kinda pointless , its not going to change anything at all . People keep bringing RL cash into this , but this is only one way , people can work hard for their isk and buy a plex to convert . So that means that the people buying Plex's for cash are wrong . But hang on , wasn';t this system brought in to stop people buying isk from people abusing and cheating in the game we all love ? I personally couldn't give a monkey about aurum and clothing , makes no difference to flying a space ship at all. But people have the right to do what the hell they like in game within the confines of the rules . Your mad at CCP for bringing this into game , i can understand that . But your protest should be directed at CCP . Be brave , make a stand and cancel your accounts for that reason . No , i didnt think so ......................... Why not direct your anger to more important things like bugs , cheats and improving the game , coz what we got now aint gonna be the worst of this by a long shot .
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:00:00 - [67] Much easier! Podkill everyone who wears those new vanity items
So'rren	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:01:00 - [68] I've started to check portraits in local and will be wardeccing corps with MTing members
Mehta Mezhan	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:11:00 - [69] I support this thread. +1
Maeve Kelly	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:18:00 - [70] I just think all this is really sad. Incarna hasn't even been released in full yet and everyone is metphorically judging the book by its cover. You are not even giving CCP a chance to address any of the issues. Geezus, it is not even 24 hours after the release of the first PART of Incarna. And it was even stated the ONLY thing you would be able to do is move about your personal quarters. Anyone expecting more than that is SERIOUSLY delusional. Just give it time; give CCP a chance to respond. Things may not be exactly as it seems....

Varcaus	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Maeve Kelly I just think all this is really sad. Incarna hasn't even been released in full yet and everyone is metphorically judging the book by its cover. You are not even giving CCP a chance to address any of the issues. Geezus, it is not even 24 hours after the release of the first PART of Incarna. And it was even stated the ONLY thing you would be able to do is move about your personal quarters. Anyone expecting more than that is SERIOUSLY delusional. Just give it time; give CCP a chance to respond. Things may not be exactly as it seems.... This is not about CQ it's about micro transaction items. lol "mirco"
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:26:00 - [72] Originally by: Maeve Kelly I just think all this is really sad. Incarna hasn't even been released in full yet and everyone is metphorically judging the book by its cover. You are not even giving CCP a chance to address any of the issues. Geezus, it is not even 24 hours after the release of the first PART of Incarna. And it was even stated the ONLY thing you would be able to do is move about your personal quarters. Anyone expecting more than that is SERIOUSLY delusional. Just give it time; give CCP a chance to respond. Things may not be exactly as it seems.... CCP ignored Sisi input and made several uninformed, stupid decisions. Punish now AND later to make it clear that we will no longer support them as they continue to ignore the player base.
Tom Dering	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:27:00 - [73] Originally by: Maeve Kelly I just think all this is really sad. Incarna hasn't even been released in full yet and everyone is metphorically judging the book by its cover. You are not even giving CCP a chance to address any of the issues. Geezus, it is not even 24 hours after the release of the first PART of Incarna. And it was even stated the ONLY thing you would be able to do is move about your personal quarters. Anyone expecting more than that is SERIOUSLY delusional. Just give it time; give CCP a chance to respond. Things may not be exactly as it seems.... You're assuming we want more. Speaking for myself, I don't want more station walking. I am not expecting more, I want less, I want my spinning ship back.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Maeve Kelly I just think all this is really sad. Incarna hasn't even been released in full yet and everyone is metphorically judging the book by its cover. The cover says "micro-transaction", the content of the book is "micro-transaction". Doesn't matter if monocles cost $60 or $0.01, it's still micro-transactions. Join the Sandbox Protection League or be a tool of CCP BizDev, your choice. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
gtiness Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:35:00 - [75] Yes, don't recruit players who use incarna and that will kill it. Because no player who uses the store to buy items will ever start his/her own corp, amirite? derp
Eu Daimon Gallente Merchants of the Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:37:00 - [76] Originally by: gtiness Yes, don't recruit players who use incarna and that will kill it. Because no player who uses the store to buy items will ever start his/her own corp, amirite? derp No, but it is an important sign, from the wealthier plaer-base saying "we do not approve". Those who make the money for this to be peanuts is most likely involved in some of the larger clans talking about this.
Shigeru Potatomoto	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:38:00 - [77] Edited by: Shigeru Potatomoto on 22/06/2011 15:39:14 Edited by: Shigeru Potatomoto on 22/06/2011 15:39:02 This is why I hope the "serious" playerbase quits over Incarna, next they'll be suggesting war deccing into the ground corps that use AUR. God, you people are making WoW players look mature.
Randomize All	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:42:00 - [78] I'm just going to be happy that somebody out there is giving CCP money that is money that I won't have to give CCP. Vanity RMT buyers... thank you. You are shallow materialistic suckers, but thank you nonetheless.
Melody Xiasia	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:44:00 - [79] My only complaint is the aurum prices are fricken rediculous. I'd spend 2 or 3 bucks for an item maybe, but no way should any item cost more than a good ship. If I spend $80 for an in game item it had better be custom made for me and be one of a kind. Seriously. People with monocles should be kill on sight.
Susan Morse	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:45:00 - [80] We actually discussing this in our corp with is heavy in "noob raising" (recruiting the new and teach them) Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect.

Dasatei	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto Edited by: Shigeru Potatomoto on 22/06/2011 15:39:14 Edited by: Shigeru Potatomoto on 22/06/2011 15:39:02 This is why I hope the "serious" playerbase quits over Incarna, next they'll be suggesting war deccing into the ground corps that use AUR. God, you people are making WoW players look mature. already training the alts for this.
Flesh Slurper Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:48:00 - [82] What would make this complete is wardeccing all corps with NEX clothed people and suiciding the ones who are in NPC corps.
Dasatei	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:49:00 - [83] Originally by: Flesh Slurper What would make this complete is wardeccing all corps with NEX clothed people and suiciding the ones who are in NPC corps. +1
Maplestone	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:51:00 - [84] Originally by: Maeve Kelly Just give it time; give CCP a chance to respond. Things may not be exactly as it seems.... At the moment it's just an alpha test for a new game engine - there's nothing to actually play yet, it's just a proof-of-concept. Although I like the idea of it being rolled out this way, it should never have been framed as an actual expansion - there's no actual content, just a stepping stone towards eventual content. So what do we actually have so far? A layer of SIMS style indestructable fashions added to a game that previously emphasized a player-crafted economy and an everything-is-impemanent atmosphere.
Ided Aye	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:53:00 - [85] Please contact my CEO, Ronto Dralukka.
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:57:00 - [86] This thread is ****ed.... It's ok to buy a plex running S-Cap to *** more money, and once they have billions and billions of isk, and want to spend it, they are going to get ostracized for buying a monocle.... Yeah you guys have your priorities in order!
Maeve Kelly	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:58:00 - [87] Originally by: Tom Dering You're assuming we want more. Speaking for myself, I don't want more station walking. I am not expecting more, I want less, I want my spinning ship back. edit What happened to need for speed? this makes starting load times take longer...ie slowwwwer not faster. Wait a minute....I was under the impression that EVE players have been waiting YEARS to be able to walk in station. And now that it is being implimented, everyone is now *****ing about it? Seriously, the person that talked me into trying this game (who has played the game since it was releasaed) said that EVE players have been wanting this. If Incarna is something that EVE players did NOT want, please someone enlighten me and we can go back through past threads and see if that really is the case. And I honestly don't understand why spinning your ship in the hanger is such an import part of game play...if I wasn't out actually doing something, I would want to engage in a little role play in station with my toon and have a little fun. Spinning a ship in a hanger seems sort of pointless. But hey, that is just me.... I came here to get the best of many types of games....so I am hoping that CCP will be able to deliver once they finish the complete Incarna roll out....
Shigeru Potatomoto	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:59:00 - [88] Originally by: Dasatei already training the alts for this. Just don't run them all at once :P
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 - [89]
Salomei	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:03:00 - [90] People wanted walking in stations, not single rooms. And avatar interaction for RP and hopefully PvP situations. --- If you spend your money on non-functional pixels, I'm forced to wonder whether you're in the best ship for a given job/fight, whether your resources are being used to benefit the corp and/or alliance. I don't want my life depending on someone who would choose a monocle over faction mods or a better ship.

Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:07:00 - [91] Originally by: Salomei People wanted walking in stations, not single rooms. And avatar interaction for RP and hopefully PvP situations. --- If you spend your money on non-functional pixels, I'm forced to wonder whether you're in the best ship for a given job/fight, whether your resources are being used to benefit the corp and/or alliance. I don't want my life depending on someone who would choose a monocle over faction mods or a better ship. and what about those of us who can afford all the above? I could buy a monocle or shoes if i want...not going to dent my account much. If i want to buy a shiney pair of ruby slippers, dammit i can if i want!
Shigeru Potatomoto	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:09:00 - [92] Originally by: Salomei I don't want my life depending on someone who would choose a monocle over faction mods or a better ship. Not to worry, obviously you don't have a life otherwise you'd have better things to do than tell people to buy an overpriced e-peen that's nothing but a target for corp griefers. FACTION REPPERS OR GTFO!!!!111!!
Salomei	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:16:00 - [93] Edited by: Salomei on 22/06/2011 16:17:14 Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto Not to worry, obviously you don't have a life otherwise you'd have better things to do than tell people to buy an overpriced e-peen that's nothing but a target for corp griefers. FACTION REPPERS OR GTFO!!!!111!! Faction variants are more effective in a large number of cases, either by being more powerful themselves, or by allowing superior setups. A good reason to avoid them is that you can't afford them (and I'd never refuse to fly with someone for that reason). A bad reason is that you'd rather have a pair of boots. Originally by: Miagi Sans If i want to buy a shiney pair of ruby slippers, dammit i can if i want! No argument here. Just know that a number of corps will become unavailable to you as a result. Emergent game play at its finest!
Braeda Darro	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:16:00 - [94] Originally by: Salomei People wanted walking in stations, not single rooms. And avatar interaction for RP and hopefully PvP situations. You are aware that Incarna is being rolled out in phases....start with CQ, make sure they don't inject MAJOR problems and fix bugs, roll out next phase, fix bugs, etc until the full walking in station is open....
PureWoman	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:16:00 - [95] Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. for what? for beaing reacher then you are? all most mighty ceos in this game are ****ing bots. They play only because of rtm, so ccp should disband all big alliance if they dont buy new cloths
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:17:00 - [96] no. don't ban them. if they have a monocle, require a monthly plex donation as membership dues. You know they can afford it
Salomei	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:24:00 - [97] Originally by: Braeda Darro You are aware that Incarna is being rolled out in phases....start with CQ, make sure they don't inject MAJOR problems and fix bugs, roll out next phase, fix bugs, etc until the full walking in station is open.... I'm aware that this is the claim. I also remember FW and many other expansions. All tweaked and improved a little, but never given what was supposed to happen "eventually". But that's a very old, oft-mentioned problem. Not sure what game-breaking bugs could show up in WiS since none of it actually affects anything. CQ's just a new way of opening existing HUD windows. It could be broken as all hell and no one's markets or ships would be affected.
Maeve Kelly	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:30:00 - [98] Well, I am not a programmer, but I do work in the telecom industry as a network engineer. And it is amazing how injecting something new can bork up something that it shouldn't have. I mentioned I am a WoW player coming here and hoping EVE can give me everything I want in a game. I know in WoW, some patches and expansions screwed up the craziest stuff. Why would a patch interfere with certain animation especially when they didn't tweak that animation? It happens. Conflicting lines of code. I would rather they get individual toons working in their own quarters before opening up the station for all the toons to try to interact with envionment that contains other players. That is a HUGE difference.
Rob Crowley State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:36:00 - [99] Dammit, so far I never cared for the vanity crap. But this thread with its totally unwarranted butthurt really makes me want to get a monocle. Thanks a lot!
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:42:00 - [100] I may consider this when Chaos gets rolling. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide

Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:44:00 - [101] I would ban recruitment of players who use bots or are involved into RMT, that would be far more important. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Cassidy Dee	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:46:00 - [102] Lots of childishness going on here.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:47:00 - [103] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. I agree that the CEO's of prominent corps should continue to bot and RMT instead. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
eXad0uS	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:48:00 - [104] Daelorn is a supporter of CCP, she is wearing a quafe T-Shirt I see
Maeve Kelly	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:50:00 - [105] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I would ban recruitment of players who use bots or are involved into RMT, that would be far more important. THIS!
gtiness Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:53:00 - [106] I fly space ships, and blow things up. All this bull**** does not affect me other than laughing at all the tears and whining.
Azaris Rubernis	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:50:00 - [107] C'mon people... the only thing you can see on the avatar potrait is that monocle, and you can't know if someone has vanity shoes, pants or other items. So this seems quite pointless. If the vanity items had the normal price, I would buy something cool, why not. The price is problem, not the items. Why do you care who will buy that stuff and who won't? I really don't see why that should be so important.
So'rren	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 - [108] Originally by: Azaris Rubernis C'mon people... the only thing you can see on the avatar potrait is that monocle, and you can't know if someone has vanity shoes, pants or other items. So this seems quite pointless. If the vanity items had the normal price, I would buy something cool, why not. The price is problem, not the items. Why do you care who will buy that stuff and who won't? I really don't see why that should be so important. I know from experience that changes like this are only the beginning. A development team does not put this much effort into just a one time thing. It won't stop at vanity clothes, it WILL go into ships unless stopped now.
Felix Godfrey	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:05:00 - [109] Originally by: bitters much Ouch...
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:32:00 - [110] +1

Serenity Frye Gallente Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 - [111] +1 (in the serenity sense) though you may have to strip search your potential recruits once socks and under garments become available.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:45:00 - [112] Botting is still cool though right? I mean do you ban players that have histories of botting or suspected botting? If yes cool if not... Also seems like a lot of effort for a personal choice...dare I say fascist?
TheLastZmeul Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:03:00 - [113] buying vanity items with ISK instead of $ it's quite the same actually the PLEX involved in creating AUR and then vanity item(s) din not just got magically created by the tooth fairy at the end of the day it's still the same thing +1 for this thread
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:13:00 - [114] IT THEY'WE BWAlNS FUWST THAN BANS THEM! uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ I BIT BUY SNSHA!
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [115] Originally by: TheLastZmeul buying vanity items with ISK instead of $ it's quite the same actually the PLEX involved in creating AUR and then vanity item(s) din not just got magically created by the tooth fairy at the end of the day it's still the same thing +1 for this thread Yeah but when you don't live in your moms ****ing basement it makes a WORLD of difference. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Just Lose	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:27:00 - [116] This is for OP and who ever sound so butthurt over something so trivial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI Oh and in your alliance and you are not going to find me, but good luck anyways. :p
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:32:00 - [117] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Would we be right to assume that PL will therefore kick anyone that buys any clothing?
Galandole Tsuramananda	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:47:00 - [118] Originally by: Eu Daimon Originally by: gtiness Yes, don't recruit players who use incarna and that will kill it. Because no player who uses the store to buy items will ever start his/her own corp, amirite? derp No, but it is an important sign, from the wealthier plaer-base saying "we do not approve". Those who make the money for this to be peanuts is most likely involved in some of the larger clans talking about this. Most people who are going to buy Aurum items don't give a flying **** about the "wealthier playerbase." And rightly so, for the most part they're a bunch of elitist bastards, and the things they do are of little consequence to someone who makes enough ISK/Money to buy the vanity items.
Lilliana Stelles Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:58:00 - [119] I can't support this. At least not until you explain why. Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve. The main point of any MMO is to, primarily, express yourself to a global community. (Which is what separates EVE from games such as Halo, where everyone looks the same.) The mediocre combat of Eve is only second to how one expresses themselves through their customization of their ship, avatar, and financial influence. In this way, buying real-money items is very much a quintessential part of the whole gameplay experience. You may as well say "we're not recruiting players who mine", or "we're not recruiting players who mission." While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy. I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy.
Swren1 Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:01:00 - [120] Edited by: Swren1 on 22/06/2011 20:01:10 Originally by: Lilliana Stelles I can't support this. At least not until you explain why. Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve. Yer and look what it gets us, a load of crap is what.

Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:04:00 - [121] Originally by: Lilliana Stelles While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy. I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy. Liberty implies responsibility, thus if one is stupid enough to buy this MT crap, one must assume the responsibility of wearing an item that conveys a lack of good judgement. Any corp or alliance that would allow such a loose and unpredictably brain dead tool into their ranks, would be stupid. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Lilliana Stelles Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:09:00 - [122] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Lilliana Stelles While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy. I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy. Liberty implies responsibility, thus if one is stupid enough to buy this MT crap, one must assume the responsibility of wearing an item that conveys a lack of good judgement. Any corp or alliance that would allow such a loose and unpredictably brain dead tool into their ranks, would be stupid. Hardly. I could buy a monocle just to show my affluence. For the same reason that I buy designer labels in real life. And for the same reason people purchase limited-run ships in Eve. There's no difference whatsoever. That's personal taste, not poor judgement. Personally, I'm not using the noble exchange because nothing there looks unique enough to pique my interest. Were the items a bit more flashy and colorful, I'd likely have already emptied my wallet on them. I personally support this direction of development. It's no reflection of my wisdom or intelligence. I prefer to have customization features over changes to gameplay; in fact, as far as gameplay is concerned, they can leave well enough alone. Whenever they nerf or buff something, all that results is a stream of complaints. They are doing what they should be doing: focusing on aesthetics. That's what will make the game appeal to new audiences. They have to see something new. They won't notice a small change in mechanics.
Nilania Telshua Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:10:00 - [123] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Liberty implies responsibility.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:26:00 - [124] Going to purge anyone who doesn't have a monocle
Alice Celadon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:43:00 - [125] Of course it's hard to keep the rank and file on message, but I assure you that peons like Elise Randolph know the horrible and swift consequences visited by PL leaders on anyone who engages in MT.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:45:00 - [126] Originally by: Swren1 Edited by: Swren1 on 22/06/2011 20:01:10 Originally by: Lilliana Stelles I can't support this. At least not until you explain why. Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve. Yer and look what it gets us, a load of crap is what. Then stop playing.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:47:00 - [127] Originally by: Alice Celadon Of course it's hard to keep the rank and file on message, but I assure you that peons like Elise Randolph know the horrible and swift consequences visited by PL leaders on anyone who engages in MT. Of course, prefix the abbreviation with an 'R' and all is fine.
TheLastZmeul Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:14:00 - [128] Edited by: TheLastZmeul on 22/06/2011 21:14:27 Originally by: Lilliana Stelles I can't support this. At least not until you explain why. Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve. it's quite simple actually as far as I know, CCP claims that a lot more resources and time got into developing Incarna than they originally planed if CCP could've used even 1/2 of the resources that went into CQ and would've fixed how many years old bugs and issues still persistent in EVE, even the new ones introduced in "Incursions" everyone would've benefited from that CQ - no one wants or has use for it, and yes that includes the 1% of you who actually find some strange way to make gameplay out of it CQ benefits who? new players? well yes, until they undock after that is the same excel multi-layered spread sheet we all play I do not support CCP in cases like this
Daemonspirit Six Degrees of Separation	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 - [129] Originally by: Lilliana Stelles Graphics > Gameplay.... /facepalm.... ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:41:00 - [130] Originally by: Lilliana Stelles Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Lilliana Stelles While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy. I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy. Liberty implies responsibility, thus if one is stupid enough to buy this MT crap, one must assume the responsibility of wearing an item that conveys a lack of good judgement. Any corp or alliance that would allow such a loose and unpredictably brain dead tool into their ranks, would be stupid. Hardly. I could buy a monocle just to show my affluence. For the same reason that I buy designer labels in real life. And for the same reason people purchase limited-run ships in Eve. There's no difference whatsoever. That's personal taste, not poor judgement. Ah the good ol middle class trap of designer status, So glad to see you have succumbed to its charms. While you're out there at the local strip mall, your ever so fash Louboutins clacking the faux slate pavers, do remember that Liberty, and taste, both are two way streets. You are not entitled to have your liberty and yet deny it for another. The examination of another's judgement is for them to determine, not you. Such is the price of Liberty, a word you clearly do not understand. If PL or any corp wishes to judge, look down upon, grief, ridicule, besmirch and generally make a mockery of a monocle wearing goof, they're well within their rights to do so. For you to "personally suggest" that they do something you judge correct or not is an affront to the very basis of your own argument. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ

Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:48:00 - [131] I approve of this and will certainly smile upon any corp or alliance with this policy =)
Captain Mastiff	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:51:00 - [132] Originally by: TheLastZmeul Edited by: TheLastZmeul on 22/06/2011 21:14:27 CQ - no one wants or has use for it, and yes that includes the 1% of you who actually find some strange way to make gameplay out of it So not only did you pluck that phrase out of your arse you also contradicted yourself by claiming 1% of no one who has use for it manage to find a way to have a use for it... Interesting, the plot thickens
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:54:00 - [133] speak for yourself.. I like captain's quarters... game of spinning your ship while docked was f'ing stupid and didn't make sense. Now to unlock the station doors so we can all pour out into the station's promenade areas. and noone wants to recruit some noob that can't afford a monocle... just proves you dont know how to make isk
Bosquit Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:12:00 - [134] While CCP made the prices of clothes ridiculous it's up to the players of Eve on how they spend there isk and real money. Flex your muscles PL, like it will make a difference. Go find something better to do like possibly practicing so you don't get destroyed in the alliance tournament.
jitaalt47069	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 - [135] @OP: If people want to waste their money on internet monocles why not? More money for CCP.
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:07:00 - [136] Anyone looked at a limited API since CQ bomb(shell)? Is Aur listed?
Brannor McThife Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:15:00 - [137] For those posting that this does not affect you/us that does not wish to buy anything. You are wrong. CCP has a limited number of developers and other resources. If NeX started to prove a very viable avenue and bring in more money than the subscriptions, then any business savvy leadership would spend more resources and effort on creating items for the NeX - granted, that's a lot of money, especially since they pay for RL fashion designers (Can see it now... Project Runway 15, Episode 5 challenge: Design an outfit for EvE)... That means less resources to developer the core game. Fewer bugs fixes and fewer new features where it matters, in space. So it does affect you. Take those blinkers off or you may awaken to a rude surprise when suddenly there are items that you can't afford, and that actually affect the core gameplay of EvE, without being available to the general populace. -G
Alexingeras	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:13:00 - [138] Way to go PL, i admire and support this initiative. It's time for the people who are filling CCP's pockets to make their voice heard.
Triple Entendre Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Brannor McThife granted, that's a lot of money, especially since they pay for RL fashion designers (Can see it now... Project Runway 15, Episode 5 challenge: Design an outfit for EvE)... Don't worry. It's not like CCP ever get around to putting promised competition winning entries into the game anyway.
Thom Baron Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:19:00 - [140] Edited by: Thom Baron on 23/06/2011 08:19:03 If you still don't understand, Simply put: If people spend money on MT, CCP will focus on MT, not the things that make the game a spaceship combat game.

Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:20:00 - [141] Alice Celadon, you are doing it wrong! Don't expel them, podkill them I mean, it is a sandbox game, right? And roleplaying too, right? Maybe your char just hates filthy rich capsuleers which spend their isk on vanity items instead of using the isk in combat. So your char has every reason to podkill other capsuleers who bought those fancy items. It is like some of those metrosex guys walking into a village of rednecks, he would end beaten up quite badly too
BIZZAROSTORMY	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:28:00 - [142] Why is the OP so obsessed about clothing?
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:42:00 - [143] Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY Why is the OP so obsessed about clothing? OP is not obsessed about clothing. OP realizes that we gave CCP a chance to prove they could be responsible with microtransactions and what we got was a $70 monocle. That's like loaning your teenager the car only to have them crash it through a convent and peel out on a nun's face. CCP can't have the keys anymore!
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:44:00 - [144] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. While you are at it. Hulkageddon was yesterday. Monoclegeddon is today! Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding.
Race Drones 13th Squadron E C L I P S E	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:35:00 - [145] Originally by: Alice Celadon Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. I Want to fight against the idiocy of cash shops, i'm not CEO, but my credits cards have a voice.
Ven'Nochthos	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:53:00 - [146] Edited by: Ven''Nochthos on 23/06/2011 12:55:08 Since people will be devoting themselves to gathering this information, once could create a public database with info on the offending characters / players (Hall of Shame or something). And yet, for reason, this is starting to remind me of 1984...
Valeroth Kyarmentari	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:25:00 - [147] Originally by: Lilliana Stelles I can't support this. At least not until you explain why. Real money items support CCP, CCP develops Eve. The main point of any MMO is to, primarily, express yourself to a global community. (Which is what separates EVE from games such as Halo, where everyone looks the same.) The mediocre combat of Eve is only second to how one expresses themselves through their customization of their ship, avatar, and financial influence. In this way, buying real-money items is very much a quintessential part of the whole gameplay experience. You may as well say "we're not recruiting players who mine", or "we're not recruiting players who mission." While you have every right to, it's not something that you should try to spread throughout the community. If anything, it's a personal liberty that everyone has the right to enjoy. I personally suggest that no one join any corporation or alliance with such a stupid policy. That's what I used to think... when I thought the micro-transactions were actually micro. When virtual items costs more than real items my mind is changed. I'd have to say that if your a major alliance leader, you want your troops spending money on ships and pew pew. So the policy makes sense to me.
Moabama	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [148] Hmmm, I am not too sure if PL is being sincere here and really looking out for the good of the game, or the good of themselves. Is this merely a ploy? Perhaps one of their alliance competitors is heavily invested in buying and reselling these items for profit. So in order to hurt their competitor, they want these items boycotted. Isn't that usually the way these big alliances fight now, with disinformation, spygames, and economic diversions? However, I can see a bigger issue with game play that seems contradictory to me. There is a push with all the recent changes to try to get/lure more people out into lowsec and null sec. The changes are made to make things more interesting out there, and make it possible for small gangs to be able to "invade" and get involved. When all there was to do in highsec was spin in station, this meant a pilot had to consider going to lowsec or null sec if they asked themselves what do I do next. NOW, there will be incentive to stay in station, and socialize rather than venturing forward. (particularly during wars - there will be fashion shows instead of fighting griefers) While it may be true that this new content may attract new users, they will probably stay in station, in highsec, while trading clothing, socializing, humping each other, whatever, RATHER than going out into lowsec, or null sec. IN conclusion, PL is either becoming the Fashion Police, or they have some other objective and dasterdly work at hand. Also, CCP's work to encourage pilots to venture into unknown space is being undermined through the offering of monocles and the wonders of CQ and station space.
Loki's Angel	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:17:00 - [149] why punish those of us who have the isk to burn? if someone bought the items via ingame isk, how is that bad?
Saving Face	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:19:00 - [150] Originally by: Moabama Hmmm, I am not too sure if PL is being sincere here I've seen PL members boasting their new NEX stuff so no

Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:40:00 - [151] Originally by: James Hawkins Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: James Hawkins Originally by: Alice Celadon Yes, as chief recruitment officer for Pandemic Legion and all affiliates I made the call earlier today. Because our wallet is a bit heftier than most, we've taken extra measures -- We're using trade alts to passively monitor who's even just buying and selling the items in Jita. All such players and connected alts will also be permanently banned from joining. who wants to join an alliance that receives isk from RMTing alliances anyways ? fly safe But it's been ages since PL did contract work for the NC its funny tho how the biggest RMTing website is run by russians obviously .... fly safe shatteredcrystal is run by the russians?? __
Reed Tiburon Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:42:00 - [152] Can't tell which way PL is trolling on this one, tbh.
Lucilla Giulia	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:44:00 - [153] Originally by: Kewso speak for yourself.. I like captain's quarters... game of spinning your ship while docked was f'ing stupid and didn't make sense. Trolls need to be feeded i guess if you like CQ so much, y your avatar doens't show it?
ApophisXP	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:50:00 - [154] As CEO If I do say so myself I too would like to ban all recruitment to people who buy this ***! BAN THEM ALL! These posts represent my Personal views and not those of my Corporation nor my Alliance.*
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:51:00 - [155] Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra This is actually a buff to all old players who have tons of ISK laying around after years and years of accumulating wealth since now theres new stuff to waste it on so I celebrate it and await my tophat. This thread is pretty funny concidering that a Pandemic Legion player is bragging about their new monocle in another thread :P
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:56:00 - [156] I like CQ. I think it will be complete one day, maybe this year still. Wouldn't care if someone was wasting PLEX on a **ing useless monocle, they are doing it with their money and they won't change my game. But I DO CARE if CCP is going to WASTE dev time doing TONS of worthless to MT. And I DO CARE if CCP is going to put gameplay changing stuff on MT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FECKTHIS** +1
Mike Jaeger	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:12:00 - [157] Here's my two cents (a real microtransaction). Many are upset that items like the monocle are priced at insanely high prices like $60 dollars; REAL eyewear could be purchased with that amount (albeit it'd be cheapo garbage). This was a bit of a shock. Now you compound this surprise with revelations (real or not) from CCP Soundwave and the EVE rumor mill that you might be able to pay for a reskinned faction battleship? Last I heard, that plan was retracted, but the threat to the game's balance has been made clear. If items that contributed directly to gameplay were made available solely on the NX, such as ammo, ships, skills, whatever, this would disenfranchise all of the playerbase who are unwilling to part with their real money and are incapable of fronting the ISK for plex. I don't have bilions of isk disposable for PLEX. So, RMT is my only option at the moment regarding the NX. If there EVER comes a time where new NX items demand that I fork over my own money to keep up with the competition, my enjoyment of the game will be seriously hampered, and I would probably quit. However, the Noble Exchange, as it currently stands, is quite benign in my eyes. It's aptly named. There are players who have more isk than they can use. Being provided, and i stress this next phrase, purely aesthetic vanity items is a pretty cool feature. CCP makes some more money, and the wealthy EVE trillionaire gets to show off his new monocle. Is a 1.3 billion isk monocle useful? No. Will players revere those who can and do buy them? I know I won't. But if it gives the player purchasing the item any sense of gratification, then that's perfectly fine. So what happens if the NX starts selling items? Be it through ISK or through real money, CCP's bottomline will grow because of NX's success. More items will become available on NX. More time will be spent working on NX. But, does this mean that a proportion of CCP's precious man-hours are going to be shifted away from fixing technical issues and working on gameplay? I hope not, and I see no proof that this will be the case. Chances are that the NX program involves the graphical designers, and maybe 1 or 2 programmers. So, chances are that team BFF and all the others who fix and improve gameplay will continue unaffected. Make no mistake, I was really looking forward to Incarna - and I still am. I for one far prefer CQ over station spin, but i wish they would leave station spin as another option. Having options is a good thing, even if it's an option to throw away money on frivolities. TLDR; kick and scream so that NX only deals with aesthetics, and not gamechanging items. Claw and snarl if CCP neglects other aspects of the game in favor of the NX. Trying to kill NX off by grieifing those who use it won't be successful, nor should it. Focus on the other two issues, they're the real threat to the game. Not monocles.
James Moroci	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:18:00 - [158] As recruiter i denie this. as a player can do whatever he feels like when it comes to aurum as its not a banable offense its ******ed to say this..
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:22:00 - [159] @Alice...how about this one? Are you aware of this? Iloni Atoriandra
kardjaval	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:26:00 - [160] ok, but what about the ******edly rich players (isk rich) that buy the items as vanity, with isk, and could contribute untold wealth to a corperation, are you actually asking ceos not to accept such lofty prospects? their vanity items, sorta like expensive jewelry,

stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 - [161] Aurum reduces the supply of PLEXs. The price of a PLEX goes up. This means that the RMT sellers have to sell more isk than what you can get for a PLEX. Aurum makes RMT less profitable. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Amon Harakht	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:43:00 - [162] The line must be drawn here!
Rail Gun Caldari The Cathedral of Flesh Monocle Overlords	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:59:00 - [163] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Monocle Overlords can't support this message. (ಠ_O)
Alarion Detheron Caldari Caldari Navy Task Force 62	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:15:00 - [164] Originally by: Mike Jaeger Here's my two cents (a real microtransaction). Many are upset that items like the monocle are priced at insanely high prices like $60 dollars; REAL eyewear could be purchased with that amount (albeit it'd be cheapo garbage). This was a bit of a shock. Now you compound this surprise with revelations (real or not) from CCP Soundwave and the EVE rumor mill that you might be able to pay for a reskinned faction battleship? Last I heard, that plan was retracted, but the threat to the game's balance has been made clear. If items that contributed directly to gameplay were made available solely on the NX, such as ammo, ships, skills, whatever, this would disenfranchise all of the playerbase who are unwilling to part with their real money and are incapable of fronting the ISK for plex. I don't have bilions of isk disposable for PLEX. So, RMT is my only option at the moment regarding the NX. If there EVER comes a time where new NX items demand that I fork over my own money to keep up with the competition, my enjoyment of the game will be seriously hampered, and I would probably quit. However, the Noble Exchange, as it currently stands, is quite benign in my eyes. It's aptly named. There are players who have more isk than they can use. Being provided, and i stress this next phrase, purely aesthetic vanity items is a pretty cool feature. CCP makes some more money, and the wealthy EVE trillionaire gets to show off his new monocle. Is a 1.3 billion isk monocle useful? No. Will players revere those who can and do buy them? I know I won't. But if it gives the player purchasing the item any sense of gratification, then that's perfectly fine. So what happens if the NX starts selling items? Be it through ISK or through real money, CCP's bottomline will grow because of NX's success. More items will become available on NX. More time will be spent working on NX. But, does this mean that a proportion of CCP's precious man-hours are going to be shifted away from fixing technical issues and working on gameplay? I hope not, and I see no proof that this will be the case. Chances are that the NX program involves the graphical designers, and maybe 1 or 2 programmers. So, chances are that team BFF and all the others who fix and improve gameplay will continue unaffected. Make no mistake, I was really looking forward to Incarna - and I still am. I for one far prefer CQ over station spin, but i wish they would leave station spin as another option. Having options is a good thing, even if it's an option to throw away money on frivolities. TLDR; kick and scream so that NX only deals with aesthetics, and not gamechanging items. Claw and snarl if CCP neglects other aspects of the game in favor of the NX. Trying to kill NX off by grieifing those who use it won't be successful, nor should it. Focus on the other two issues, they're the real threat to the game. Not monocles. This.
Iloni Atoriandra Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:52:00 - [165] Stop hating on my monocle peasant.
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:59:00 - [166] Wow, you really have made a major play here. Yep, lots of future PvP'ers, wanna be corpers, desperately seeking alliance people won't buy aurum items. On that alt anyway. You realize that that matters not at all? The Nex is an anti-rmt tactic offering things the RMT people can't match and will surely be expanded. All you have managed to do force someone who wants to join to make a barbie alt specifically for dress up. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:04:00 - [167] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 23/06/2011 18:05:41 I'll think about this. Not sure yet.
Draco4444 Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:05:00 - [168] I know I have no intentions to purchase any of that crap! If I wanted to play character dress up, I would play Barbi Online! What a waste of a Patch and resources from CCP. I think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. **Calvin & Hobbs
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:07:00 - [169] Originally by: Theocrates Wow, you really have made a major play here. Yep, lots of future PvP'ers, wanna be corpers, desperately seeking alliance people won't buy aurum items. On that alt anyway. You realize that that matters not at all? The Nex is an anti-rmt tactic offering things the RMT people can't match and will surely be expanded. All you have managed to do force someone who wants to join to make a barbie alt specifically for dress up. In an alliance like PL, we use the full API to do more than most corps, so if you have an alt that you funnel money to, we can see it, and, to manage spies, we would need the api's of that alt as well or you'd be expelled (harsh i know, but what are you hiding and why?) From the API I can see all of your assets, and the Aur items show up in your hangars like anything else. You cannot hide your barbie alt from me, and either trying, or doing so will result in your expulsion. To help with this we plan on giving out our API tech to most big space holding alliances right now so that they too can police the Aurum users. We've kicked 5 people in the past 24 hours for buying it.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:10:00 - [170] You guys are just bummed most of you can't dock to get one...

Velios M. Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:11:00 - [171] New members to M. Corp will be requested to arrive naked on their first day at work.
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:20:00 - [172] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Theocrates Wow, you really have made a major play here. Yep, lots of future PvP'ers, wanna be corpers, desperately seeking alliance people won't buy aurum items. On that alt anyway. You realize that that matters not at all? The Nex is an anti-rmt tactic offering things the RMT people can't match and will surely be expanded. All you have managed to do force someone who wants to join to make a barbie alt specifically for dress up. In an alliance like PL, we use the full API to do more than most corps, so if you have an alt that you funnel money to, we can see it, and, to manage spies, we would need the api's of that alt as well or you'd be expelled (harsh i know, but what are you hiding and why?) From the API I can see all of your assets, and the Aur items show up in your hangars like anything else. You cannot hide your barbie alt from me, and either trying, or doing so will result in your expulsion. To help with this we plan on giving out our API tech to most big space holding alliances right now so that they too can police the Aurum users. We've kicked 5 people in the past 24 hours for buying it. I hope it works out for you guys and you have certainly drawn a line in the sand against CCPs direction and future goals. While this may in fact marginalize the standing of the large alliances and nullsec in general I hope that it will largely be seen as the continuing robust interaction CCP and its customers have always had. I would suggest you try and get major highsec support for this as well. That is from outside your stand sphere of influence corp wise. COurse that's likely just my paranoia talking. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Madcow Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:21:00 - [173] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Theocrates Wow, you really have made a major play here. Yep, lots of future PvP'ers, wanna be corpers, desperately seeking alliance people won't buy aurum items. On that alt anyway. You realize that that matters not at all? The Nex is an anti-rmt tactic offering things the RMT people can't match and will surely be expanded. All you have managed to do force someone who wants to join to make a barbie alt specifically for dress up. In an alliance like PL, we use the full API to do more than most corps, so if you have an alt that you funnel money to, we can see it, and, to manage spies, we would need the api's of that alt as well or you'd be expelled (harsh i know, but what are you hiding and why?) From the API I can see all of your assets, and the Aur items show up in your hangars like anything else. You cannot hide your barbie alt from me, and either trying, or doing so will result in your expulsion. To help with this we plan on giving out our API tech to most big space holding alliances right now so that they too can police the Aurum users. We've kicked 5 people in the past 24 hours for buying it. Your probally just wining about that you dont have the money yourself while the other members do have so much left that they can buy it. ______________________ I am just a crazy cow
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:25:00 - [174] Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra This is actually a buff to all old players who have tons of ISK laying around after years and years of accumulating wealth since now theres new stuff to waste it on so I celebrate it and await my tophat. This thread is pretty funny considering that a Pandemic Legion player is bragging about RMT'ing in another thread :P . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:37:00 - [175] Originally by: Madcow Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Theocrates Wow, you really have made a major play here. Yep, lots of future PvP'ers, wanna be corpers, desperately seeking alliance people won't buy aurum items. On that alt anyway. You realize that that matters not at all? The Nex is an anti-rmt tactic offering things the RMT people can't match and will surely be expanded. All you have managed to do force someone who wants to join to make a barbie alt specifically for dress up. In an alliance like PL, we use the full API to do more than most corps, so if you have an alt that you funnel money to, we can see it, and, to manage spies, we would need the api's of that alt as well or you'd be expelled (harsh i know, but what are you hiding and why?) From the API I can see all of your assets, and the Aur items show up in your hangars like anything else. You cannot hide your barbie alt from me, and either trying, or doing so will result in your expulsion. To help with this we plan on giving out our API tech to most big space holding alliances right now so that they too can police the Aurum users. We've kicked 5 people in the past 24 hours for buying it. Your probally just wining about that you dont have the money yourself while the other members do have so much left that they can buy it. I can't tell if you really believe that or if your just trying too hard, so instead of calling you stupid for believing something like that I'll go ahead and believe that your **** at trolling.
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:44:00 - [176] Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 23/06/2011 18:46:08 Sure you ban the use of Aurum and stuff, but let me ask this simple question, because this is what makes or breaks this as a matter of fact. When it comes to RMT within PL and those alliances that sign on this, what is your stance on this, because banning the use of Aurum items is VERY hypocrytical if you don't ban the use of RMT and botting. So the question is simple, do you ban the use of RMT and botting or do you take a don't ask don't tell stance on it. I am aware i am starting abit of a problem for myself here, but as i said. If you allow botting and RMT, Aurum is the least of your issues to sort out. Also, botting and RMT hurts the game more than this AURUM stuff ever will. A last edit: if it is that you do allow RMT and botting, why should people follow your example?
Rhondas	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:47:00 - [177] and yes, we do exist.
Sylphs	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:53:00 - [178] Isn't there a Aurthingy wallet in game, or a tab in the acutal wallet ? If yes then, just ask for a screenie to everyone then open fire at will
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:57:00 - [179] So... if I scammed a pair of boots for 1/10th of the price I would be banned from recruitment as well? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 3APR11
P42ALPHA Gallente DeadOn.	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:11:00 - [180] LAWL at the corps that think they can tell ppl how to play a game they pay for. And even better, the players in those corps follow these orders. What a joke.

Iloni Atoriandra Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:20:00 - [181] You will find lots of corps have rules about what to do in them such as not killing fellow alliance members.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:22:00 - [182] Originally by: Reldor Silverheart Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 23/06/2011 18:46:08 Sure you ban the use of Aurum and stuff, but let me ask this simple question, because this is what makes or breaks this as a matter of fact. When it comes to RMT within PL and those alliances that sign on this, what is your stance on this, because banning the use of Aurum items is VERY hypocrytical if you don't ban the use of RMT and botting. So the question is simple, do you ban the use of RMT and botting or do you take a don't ask don't tell stance on it. I am aware i am starting abit of a problem for myself here, but as i said. If you allow botting and RMT, Aurum is the least of your issues to sort out. Also, botting and RMT hurts the game more than this AURUM stuff ever will. A last edit: if it is that you do allow RMT and botting, why should people follow your example? This has always been a silly argument to me. CCP doesn't care a damn thing about any of this, the bots are subs, they ban accounts every so often when the forum noise gets to loud, but on the whole, the company that makes your game doesn't care, in fact, the bots add subs, and if anybody doubts that CCP is after cash and cash only this latest expansion should be all the proof you need. I'd even go so far as to say that as soon as they find a way to make money off of bot programs that they will stop doing that. RMT is a different thing entirely, CCP says they don't like it, and Shamis agrees, hence all our money going into things like supers and titans and a metric ass ton of command ships for our fleet, and things like tengu reimbursement. Now I call bull**** on CCP not liking RMT, what they don't like is that other people are making money off of it besides them. They've opened the can that allows this, they need to deal with it. Up until tuesday I was completely against it, but seeing CCP try for every dime they can get in this patch, and reading that stupid internal article that they were dumb enough to let slip, I now have no compulsions against it either way. If CCP are going to gouge players for every dime they can, then I'd say the players have every right to do whatever they can to replace the money CCP is digging from their wallets.
Annie Anomie Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:49:00 - [183] This is a great idea. I believe we're now not accepting people with aurium wallet history.
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:37:00 - [184] Control freak much. So now some alliances feel the need to police what their members spend their isk/RL cash on. Seriously get over it, CCP put in some OPTIONAL microtransaction items and you can still purchase them for isk if you want too, vanity MT items DO NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY so why do you even care.
Iulia Badr Marinela	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:40:00 - [185] Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Control freak much. So now some alliances feel the need to police what their members spend their isk/RL cash on. Seriously get over it, CCP put in some OPTIONAL microtransaction items and you can still purchase them for isk if you want too, vanity MT items DO NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY so why do you even care. They will soon! I hope you like getting shot with "LULZ XD GOLD AMMO" from a BFG9001 large AC!!
Salomei	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:00:00 - [186] Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Control freak much. So now some alliances feel the need to police what their members spend their isk/RL cash on. Seriously get over it, CCP put in some OPTIONAL microtransaction items and you can still purchase them for isk if you want too, vanity MT items DO NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY so why do you even care. It's not unusual at all for corps to question and discipline shoddy business decisions, failfits and facepalm-worthy tactics. Some have strict requirements for admission: high SP count, specific skill sets, scouting/FC/PvP experience, etc. If I'm running a corp that focuses on maxing out combat effectiveness, and you choose a new shirt over a better ship, better equipment, or even a better ship for your wingmate, I'd have to question whether your interests are the corp's interests. This may not be how you'd roll, but that's why you won't be in one of these corps. These corps want a certain kind of person, and they have decided that buying NEx stuff is a clear enough indicator that a pilot isn't one of those people.
Sahvi Morvaalis R U D E	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:19:00 - [187] Originally by: Salomei Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Control freak much. So now some alliances feel the need to police what their members spend their isk/RL cash on. Seriously get over it, CCP put in some OPTIONAL microtransaction items and you can still purchase them for isk if you want too, vanity MT items DO NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY so why do you even care. It's not unusual at all for corps to question and discipline shoddy business decisions, failfits and facepalm-worthy tactics. Some have strict requirements for admission: high SP count, specific skill sets, scouting/FC/PvP experience, etc. If I'm running a corp that focuses on maxing out combat effectiveness, and you choose a new shirt over a better ship, better equipment, or even a better ship for your wingmate, I'd have to question whether your interests are the corp's interests. This may not be how you'd roll, but that's why you won't be in one of these corps. These corps want a certain kind of person, and they have decided that buying NEx stuff is a clear enough indicator that a pilot isn't one of those people. This right here. I'm still learning to PvP, but I can completely understand this point of view. Team play in alliances like PL is paramount to success... and if you're dropping money on useless crap when you could be faction fitting a new T3 battleship for the good of your alliance/corporation, your priorities are not in line with theirs. Simple as that. I wouldn't have so much of an issue with said items if they weren't so exorbitantly priced... but $70 USD for a useless monocle? Really?? I'd rather buy myself a couple new faction fit Dramiels. :\
Voixy	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:42:00 - [188] Just a newb here. Still in a newb Corp, but wanted to say I support this initiative fully. I didn't join this game only to find everyone's sub fees have been used to implement a shoddy tech-demo for some other MMO. I hope the griefing lasts long and reaches far.
Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:55:00 - [189] I fully support this plan and i think it's the best course of action if we want the game we love to keep going. If things continue then players will lose more and more control over what happens in EVE. More things (ships and items) will be created and sold by CCP and not the player. This will break the one thing that makes eve unique... the player driven economy. The big alliances/corporations are the only people who can make a difference here.
Loki Elis Naughty 40	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:24:00 - [190] +1 here too

oldmanst4r Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:29:00 - [191] supported +1 Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:30:00 - [192] Originally by: Salomei Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Control freak much. So now some alliances feel the need to police what their members spend their isk/RL cash on. Seriously get over it, CCP put in some OPTIONAL microtransaction items and you can still purchase them for isk if you want too, vanity MT items DO NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY so why do you even care. It's not unusual at all for corps to question and discipline shoddy business decisions, failfits and facepalm-worthy tactics. Some have strict requirements for admission: high SP count, specific skill sets, scouting/FC/PvP experience, etc. If I'm running a corp that focuses on maxing out combat effectiveness, and you choose a new shirt over a better ship, better equipment, or even a better ship for your wingmate, I'd have to question whether your interests are the corp's interests. This may not be how you'd roll, but that's why you won't be in one of these corps. These corps want a certain kind of person, and they have decided that buying NEx stuff is a clear enough indicator that a pilot isn't one of those people. So what if the pilot chooses to buy it with RL cash instead of isk? What if the pilot has a ton of extra isk laying around? If the pilot can afford it (lemme give you a hint, those buying the NEX stuff aren't deciding between ships and vanity items, they can afford both) then why should you give a crap. As for buying ships for wingmates, if your buying ships for corpmates that corpmate is violating the first rule of eve "dont fly what you cant afford to lose". So basically if they can afford the vanity stuff then who the hell cares if they buy it
Havegun Willtravel	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:31:00 - [193] INCARNA BAN From: Havegun Willtravel Sent: 2011.06.23 19:07 To: Mobile Alcohol Processing Units, Unless otherwise directed MAPU will be engaging in an Incarna Ban. All members should refrain from purchasing any articles from the Nex shop. Unless aquired through murder or other violent means we will retract or deny membership to anyone engaged at this time. Additionaly we wil addopt a Shoot On Sight Policy to any other person who does. Happy Hunting. Thank you Gun
Mechanoid Kryten Humble Origins Red Dwarf Racketeering Division	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:38:00 - [194] done
Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:43:00 - [195] So is anyone going to be contacting CEO to gain support?
Sphinx N'flight	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:04:00 - [196] Edited by: Sphinx N''flight on 23/06/2011 23:04:33 This could be bordering on harassment of players, a form of collusion that is an attempt to drive people out of a game that, because of a feature CCP has made legal... an intentional act to stymie a persons game play,.. i hope everyone who does this gets a reverse ban
Frederick Yassavi	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:05:00 - [197] Ah, sweet, sweet space fascism.
Cave Lord	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:08:00 - [198] Using in-game mechanics to thwart game-ruining mechanics? I LOVE IT! VIVA LA SANDBOX (and in this case, the players too!)
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:11:00 - [199] Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 23/06/2011 23:13:20 Originally by: Sphinx N'flight Edited by: Sphinx N''flight on 23/06/2011 23:04:33 This could be bordering on harassment of players, a form of collusion that is an attempt to drive people out of a game that, because of a feature CCP has made legal... an intentional act to stymie a persons game play,.. i hope everyone who does this gets a reverse ban CCP can't dictate who you let into your corp...nice try though.
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:13:00 - [200] Originally by: Sphinx N'flight Edited by: Sphinx N''flight on 23/06/2011 23:04:33 This could be bordering on harassment of players, a form of collusion that is an attempt to drive people out of a game that, because of a feature CCP has made legal... an intentional act to stymie a persons game play,.. i hope everyone who does this gets a reverse ban And Hulkageddon is not harassment? MTggeddon is on.

Sphinx N'flight	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:45:00 - [201] But yet you want to control how someone spends their money?... so y not just kick/ban anyone who buys Plex's, or better yet ban/kick anyone who actually pays a Subscription...lol oh btw, Hulkageddon is something totally different then what your proposing... If your just waking up Micro-transactions have been around for many years, and it's the way of the future, Micro-transaction actually bring in more money to a company then a stagnant monthly fee... so i could expect the CCP will one day totally drop a monthly sub, in favor of MTs
Donatella D'Tren Harbingers of Chaos Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:46:00 - [202] I support this product and/or service.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:50:00 - [203] Botting is okay, exploit using is okay, spending a crapload of money for plex to purchase supercapitals is okay, but spending plex money for some monocle is creating a huge drama? Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Sphinx N'flight	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:53:00 - [204] Lets ban everyone under 18, and make it a clothing optional game...lol
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:01:00 - [205] Originally by: Alice Celadon try hard elitist riff raff cool story, jerkoff. May as well ban anyone with Buying plex of the website of you idiots feel that strongly, where do you think your titans & supercaps came from? explain to me the difference? _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:03:00 - [206] If any more of my alts want to join my alliance and buy barbie clothes, they're gonna be in for a BIG surprise!
Damien Corsair	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:05:00 - [207] Edited by: Damien Corsair on 24/06/2011 00:05:33 @ OP Alice and Grath of PL Umm...so....why is it that Iloni Atoriandra is still in PL? Just curious.....seems a double standard is in-play..
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:07:00 - [208] even though im technically supposed to hate you - i hereby pledge my undying love for my enemy in 0.0 lets get this snowball rolling!
Iloni Atoriandra Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:12:00 - [209] Because it takes 24 hours for roles to be removed
Arroganz	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:22:00 - [210] I fully support this product. +1

Lt Pizi Gallente Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:25:00 - [211] Originally by: Loki's Angel why punish those of us who have the isk to burn? if someone bought the items via ingame isk, how is that bad? only stupic CEOs will follow the PL troll anyway, so you really dont want to be in that corp its a good thing mate
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:28:00 - [212] Originally by: Lt Pizi Originally by: Loki's Angel why punish those of us who have the isk to burn? if someone bought the items via ingame isk, how is that bad? only stupic CEOs will follow the PL troll anyway, so you really dont want to be in that corp its a good thing mate Underlining for irony.
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:49:00 - [213] Can CCP punish those of us who do this btw?
Arya Vonbrawn	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:56:00 - [214] ITT: WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Lt Pizi Gallente Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:07:00 - [215] Originally by: Majuan Shuo Can CCP punish those of us who do this btw? do what ? searchin for a typo ? sue ... its like stalking
zombu2 Caldari Evolution The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:39:00 - [216] +1 I completely approve of this product Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Largo LaGrande R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:40:00 - [217] +1 Stick that **** up their pooper
Montevius Williams Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:54:00 - [218] This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
Acid Eye	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:59:00 - [219] +1 this is ******ed
kari bourza	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:11:00 - [220] +1 time to fight back

Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:04:00 - [221] CEO's - your call to arms..
Remington ulfhednar	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:04:00 - [222] While I don't mind CCP's vision for the future of EVE, I can get on board with getting rid of the cash shop. Down with NEX
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:10:00 - [223] Supported, and I say this with connections. Any character I see caught buying RM items will be podded and kicked from corp if I have the power to have it done.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:12:00 - [224] Originally by: Montevius Williams This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. So they want to devote development time to charging you 60 bucks for a friggin eye patch and you think THIS is the dumbest idea you've heard?
Amira Kornova	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:13:00 - [225] +1
Lisandra Riraille Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:33:00 - [226] Originally by: Majuan Shuo Can CCP punish those of us who do this btw? Afaik, how and why you allow or disallow people to be in your corp is your own business. You can't go whining to CCP because so and so wouldn't let you join (or remain a part of) their special club.
Neom Disaki	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:35:00 - [227] I will support this for the time that my canceled subscription has left on it! I also think anyone caught with a monicle on deserves to be podded, repeatedly if possible.
Covert Kitty Amarr ISK Solutions SRS.	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:45:00 - [228] +1 I actually really hope PL isn't trolling us, because this is honestly a fantastic idea. I'm completely serious.
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:50:00 - [229] The Trillionaire High Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta and my 5 other Corporations will not be accepting applications from anyone known to have purchased AURUM or AURUM store items. If accepted and found out after the fact they will be ganked to the full extent of the LAW. ~~~ (ಠ_ృ)
LarpingBard	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:56:00 - [230] The Sandbox lives! You want a community that lives and breathes outside of the box? You got it. Capsuleers UNITE!

Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:09:00 - [231] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Out of interest, what do you want CCP do here; remove the MT store or just lower the price? Personally I want to buy stuff for my char but not at the current prices. I also want the items to be produced by players.
Neom Disaki	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:14:00 - [232] Originally by: Rek Seven Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Out of interest, what do you want CCP do here; remove the MT store or just lower the price? Personally I want to buy stuff for my char but not at the current prices. I also want the items to be produced by players. Keep the items, but not on NEX, remove AUR from the game, our subscription fees already paid for the development of these items. Either pay a subscription, or pay MT for items, not both.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:02:00 - [233] Originally by: Rek Seven Personally I want to buy stuff for my char but not at the current prices. I also want the items to be produced by players. We all probably would have wanted to buy the stuff if it wasn't basically a gigantic waste of programing time. Also the scalability is way off: If a monocle is 60 bucks, whats it going to cost me to build a bar, and they had mentioned rent for these bars. I mean, I'm all about the social prospects that the stations bring, but if they think im shelling out hundreds of bucks to build a bar I think they're in for a shocking let down when they find that NOBODY is putting out that kind of money for something like this. Couple that with the fact that the game is completely broken at times and instead of doing anything about that they've spent the past 10 months working on charging us sixty bucks for an eye patch. What we want is for them to pull their head out of their ass, and fix the game instead of milking us for as much cash as they can get.
tikktokk tokkzikk STORM Squad	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:05:00 - [234] I need someone to do this for me me: Make a webpage where people can submit the names of players who use MT. Make a few corps that wardec the current corps of thos players on the list till they the CEO boot them OR they take all the MT items they have, put them in a secure container for everyone to see and PEW, PEW it! suicide anyone on the list in NPC corp Donate to thos corps so they can keep on wardec'ing (would get LOTS of fame). I sadly cant do this myself as my computer dosent have shade module 3 so I cant play (or maybe ?) People on the list could ofc give us the full API to prove that they never used MT I also wish someone could tell me exactly when CCP became ÇÇ₱.
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:24:00 - [235] I approve of the idea, although I will not follow it when recruiting for CLBC. Unfortunetally, I find it a good market and I will pusue it, I sense a lot of money can be made buying 2nd-hand monocles /other stuff and reselling them over and over again. I, however, will NOT buy any vanity items for aurum, unless CCP shaves off one zero from each of the prices.I find my $ worth far more than a monocle,etc. I'd also like to express my deep sadness because of the greed and stupidity behind setting the prices as they are. I'd also like to clarify I'm FOR THE NOBLE EXCHANGE IDEA, not for how it was implemented. Implementation with just a handfull of items with insane price was a terrible mistake and I hope the person who made that decision gets fired.
Aldap	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:27:00 - [236] +1
Dephlan Gruss	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:44:00 - [237] +1
Kei Yuma	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:05:00 - [238] +1 supported
Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:56:00 - [239] LetÆs say the items had special abilities that only applied to ôwalk in stationsö, would you guys be opposed to the high price tag? (Something less that $60 though) For example, the monocle could give you the ability to identify war targets, criminals or people with a bounty on their heads... The items would still serve as vanity items for stupid people with too much money but it would also allow a corp/group to kit a scout player out for a specific job.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company	Posted - 2011.06.24 13:06:00 - [240] All of you "+1+1+1 lats wardekk n podz da NEX bad d00dz" tools are impotent posers. Most of you reside in terrible high-sec carebear corporations, and couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag even if it meant missing out on a Flobots performance. You whine and moan about some EVE eyepixels, but how many times have you picketed corn/rice/gas price hikes outside your politicians' offices? You're doing this, here, because it's easy. For the boycott supporters, this is one of the few instances where the powerless can exert a modicum of influence, and a trolling bonanza for a few others. Do you want CCP's MT venture to fail? Then ignore the feature and the goods being sold. Srtting yourself on fire and rolling in the mud to try and get others' attention means that CCP's vision has merit, and you simply fear being replaced by a larger, more relevant demographic. Do I support this new MT deal? No. Do I want to pick up an eyepiece just to collect the tears and empty threats of the castrated iPod-toting sheeple who think their opinions and fair-trade coffee actually matter? Yeah, I do. It's a tough choice. On the one hand, I can steer this game's development in a favorable direction. On the other, I can easily buy the glass eye and that faction armor repairer you seem to think is both mutually exclusive to the former and will guarantee combat superiority against a player who has plentiful ISK/understanding of game mechanics. Tough choice indeed.

Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:25:00 - [241] Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 24/06/2011 14:29:11 Originally by: Valeroth Kyarmentari Okay, so I'm a tiny fish here in a sea of big wigs... But I have to say I find this whole thread odd. [..] why so much hostility to do those that do? Why not? Even though I might find myself at the center of attention: It's a sandbox! Changing the sandbox outside from within the sandbox is the real game! Originally by: Destiny Corrupted how many times have you picketed corn/rice/gas price hikes outside your politicians' offices? You're doing this, here, because it's easy. Maybe it does need an internet space ship game first to make the world a better place...
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:05:00 - [242] 2 more kicked today, along with the entire Zor Industries corporation for not following along. PL is now one corp less.
NotHereReally	Posted - 2011.06.25 01:17:00 - [243] Bump because this is really our only option.
roq deelim	Posted - 2011.06.25 02:41:00 - [244] bump bc leaked mail..
Defialed Concentrated Evil	Posted - 2011.06.25 02:56:00 - [245] Edited by: Defialed on 25/06/2011 03:01:54 I will also be putting votes in to wardec those who have vanity items. -CEVL is currently NOT recruiting those who buy these disgusting vanity items.
Inara Vatta	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:17:00 - [246] I will be exclusively recruiting pilots who have purchased the new cash shop items. If you have any of the store items, feel free to join! Director positions available for those who have purchased more than 3 items(gold monocle required)!
DarkArtz Celestial Mayhem C0NVICTED	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:35:00 - [247] Edited by: DarkArtz on 25/06/2011 04:36:53 My corp will also add this as a recruiting requirement - No Noble Exchange Purchases.
Sajad	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:45:00 - [248] Support
KrakennPSA	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:50:00 - [249] PLayer Revolution - Go for it
C1unk Blue Reign	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:25:00 - [250] As someone who does not look at what people have in a game, but what people are actually like to game with, personally no one should be forced to take on this idea or any idea to be honest, and should be allowed to continue to deal with whoever they like, because if they like that person, who cares if they have the IN glasses and spend real money to attain them, I mean seriously?, are you having a giraffe mate?. To hear a Pandemic Legion person like you who is high up the chain, complaining about such a thing, are you serious?. What I see here is propaganda from you to gain more support for your constant wars, is how I see it. By taking advantage of this situation, you are selling an idea to those who are dead against what CCP have done, and will go for any idea that goes against CCP, with a view not for the benefit of the EVE public, but for your own benefit, you know it, and those with intelligence know it. Wool over many peoples eyes, but some of us see right through it. To force this kind of idea is no different than a dictatorship in all honesty. You all afterall have caused an issue to spirral out of control, some of it sure I can see some of your anger, but anyone having these items, me to be included soon :), should also have the right to have them and go to any corp on friendship, not to be stigmatized by a load of people who think they lead the way and can con the EVE public, and those who want to recruit them, should retain the right to recruit them, period. Is that no different than your mass hysteria and open forum messages, freedom?. Of course not, therefore your idea is greatly flawed and is disregarded as propaganda and taking advantage of a situation that I am more than convinced will be sorted in due course. It is there money remember, let them do as they please with it. You do not have to purchase these items do you?, therefore those who have, show there wealth like in the real world, whats the problem with that?. It is no different than a person who drives a high end BMW paying over the odds for what is an overrated motor, and the next person in a run of the mill motor. +1 for you attempting to sway EVE, -1 for not falling people like me = 0. Thanks C1unk

BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:34:00 - [251] Edited by: BeanBagKing on 25/06/2011 06:35:35 Originally by: Grath Telkin 2 more kicked today, along with the entire Zor Industries corporation for not following along. PL is now one corp less. Edit: PL have a list anywhere of all the individual players you know about for other corps/alliances to watch? ---Signature---
C1unk Blue Reign	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:36:00 - [252] Originally by: Inara Vatta I will be exclusively recruiting pilots who have purchased the new cash shop items. If you have any of the store items, feel free to join! Director positions available for those who have purchased more than 3 items(gold monocle required)! Outstanding, love your idea, and always willing to talk trade and business with those who have it and can afford it.
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente World-Slayer	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:42:00 - [253] Wow, 1933 is happening in EVE... _________________________________________________
noonien shakra Lar B523610-9	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:45:00 - [254] /support __________________ I knew this would happen !
WlliamRyker	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:22:00 - [255] Awesome idea
ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:25:00 - [256] /support i say made a new corp/alliance and **** pillage and plunder all of empire until no one wants to undock and they can admire their monocles in the their dollhouse until our subscriptions run out.
WlliamRyker	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:11:00 - [257] bump
Darteis Elosia Gallente PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G.	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:17:00 - [258] Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Wow, 1933 is happening in EVE... And it's going to be so freaking epic. Cannot wait. This is a game so if we feel like starting a war with people who buy stuff for AUR we will. I'm training projectile turrets for this so I can have the 4500 A.D equivalent of a flak cannon on my ship.
So Sensational Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:26:00 - [259] BUMP. Band togethear
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:35:00 - [260] I as a director of Mnemonic Enterprises endorse this fight. We wont recruit any player with monocles or 1000$ pants. Furthermore i already canceled 2 alt accounts. Unite under this banner and CCP will be forced to reconsider. Our $/Ç is our best weapon. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines

Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:54:00 - [261] "NO MT" alliance is already created for just this purpose. Apply now.
Hemp Invader Inverted Worlds	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 - [262] Support from my corp
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:53:00 - [263] Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly "NO MT" alliance is already created for just this purpose. Apply now. Any NO MT channel up yet?
Sarahna Calagan Outer Ring Expansions ROL.Citizens	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:14:00 - [264] /supporting We will not accept any players who buys that stuff.
Caelestis Starcaller	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:21:00 - [265] Love the idea System wide boycot on NeX items and everyone that buys them anyway will be hunted down by every major powerblock in eve and made sure they regret the purchase. This is literally THE ONLY way to stop the madness every other attempt to protest is a complete failure at every level
Li FenTao	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:28:00 - [266] Well not that don`t i support the point of this action but......well it almost made me want to buy some to see some flames in here rofl just look that it doesnt move in the wrong direction.....not that this is going to be an own goal ;) Anyway deaf to da monocles !!
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.06.26 07:58:00 - [267] Excellent idea - and mock then too. Goons should also make an extra special effort to scam them for everything they've got when they try to join wearing their idiotic $70 monocle. -- Frog blast the vent core!
Vic Mason Caldari SP4RTANS	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:01:00 - [268] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. +1
edith prickley	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:21:00 - [269] Edited by: edith prickley on 26/06/2011 08:24:04 Hmmm, so we will see two powerblocks forming, the No-Monacles and the Must-have-Monacles. CCP will be able to market this as emergent social structure, while making a bundle off the faction for whom it becomes de rigueur to own NEX bling. Maybe CCP is not so stupid after all.
Sophie Vherokior	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 - [270] PL hotdropped and killed my carrier. I support this idea! <3

Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:35:00 - [271] I understand the point but I'm uncomfortable with this because I can't help but think that if these clothes were giving in game bonuses then who would still ban use of it? Since the items do nothing it's easy but if they had an impact in game, what you are fighting against I know then it would be much harder to ban them.
Majestic Twilight Amarr The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:53:00 - [272] I would only support this if someone used Aur to buy ships, standings, or skills. Last time I checked this hasnt happened. I could care less about using Aur to buy clothing, monacles, or painting your rifter hot pink.
Karunel Princeps Corp BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.26 10:49:00 - [273] Brilliant idea! Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Kal Erkkinen	Posted - 2011.06.26 21:44:00 - [274] Working around the problem. +1
Cloba	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:47:00 - [275] Originally by: Falbala I understand the point but I'm uncomfortable with this because I can't help but think that if these clothes were giving in game bonuses then who would still ban use of it? Since the items do nothing it's easy but if they had an impact in game, what you are fighting against I know then it would be much harder to ban them. Everytime I got podded my body was floating naked through space. Does that mean we can loot corpses and cut off some implants. If the former wearer sh.it.ted in his pants before he got podded will there be a station service for cleaning them? Will the cleaner demand payment in AUR? If the item is a bit seized, will there be a a station service to separate the thing from the corpse? Can I adjust my guns so it will shoot my opponents face so his clothes remain undamaged? Assumed I can only reprocess the item by pulling it out of my opponents a.ss. would I have to label this fact when reselling? Like "Pulled out of (enter name) as.s" instead of "Made in Jita" Speaking about pulling something out of someone¦s a.ss: Who pulled the whole MT thing out of what investors arse?
Soji Kanagawa Caldari 0uter Ring Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:51:00 - [276] Edited by: Soji Kanagawa on 27/06/2011 13:51:52 Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. Stupid idea is stupid. Why should clothing bother anyone at all? The real "issue" with aurum was the idea of micro transactions beyond vanity items..like pay to win type items. Not clothing. And not recruiting someone because they bought something to make their character more to their liking is just dumb.
Vorkosigan	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:04:00 - [277] +1. And a great example of the simple solutions being the best. :)
Cloba	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:21:00 - [278] Originally by: Vorkosigan +1. And a great example of the simple solutions being the best. :) At that point you even don¦t have a chance to find out who has bought such a thing and who did not. So stupid idea. Just saying.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:25:00 - [279] Don't need to ban these imbeciles, shut down MT shop forever and thats it.
Usuotas	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:27:00 - [280] Reporting a *** who has a monocle: Beluntz Set red and shoot away! ---------------- Women - can't live with them........the end. - Al Bundy

Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:34:00 - [281] Hrm, what's this? monoclegeddon? http://knezevic-consulting.net/monoclegeddon/ My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
Raz Xym	Posted - 2011.06.27 15:05:00 - [282] The thing with a monoclegeddon, is it would only be for a short period of time. I would be more infavor of a trust fund that would pay for constant WD's of corps who harbour these offenders. They are only looking for attention, so give them some. Sooner or later they will have to all band together (easy single target) or hide in NPC corps.
Tahnil GNADE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.27 15:11:00 - [283] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. As CEO of GNADE Inc. I reject your suggestion.
Chaotic Dude Gallente Da Dudes Corp	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:33:00 - [284] +1 PL
Aramatheia	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:53:00 - [285] Quote: No, but it is an important sign, from the wealthier plaer-base saying "we do not approve". Those who make the money for this to be peanuts is most likely involved in some of the larger clans talking about this. Someone said that earlier in this thread. I find that cute. "Wealthier" players who dont actually spend money to play cause they incursion pvp scam whatever for ingame money to buy plex'es. Get off your high horse you self righteous lamers. The "Wealthy" people are the ones who actually pay to play with the money they earn in real life. If they want to buy pixel panties who else should give a dam. Personally, i dont care for the MT stuff as long as it doesnt become game breaking. That would upset me but still. I wont go around acting like a 3 year old who lost thier lollipop. Quit acting like spoiled children and grow up. Galactic tantrum at Jita anyone? Till they release USD-for-ships/skills/power then go back into your corners and get over it
Rocom Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:18:00 - [286] i love how a lot people responding in this thread doesnt realize that the real problem is the possibility of CCP introducing non-vanity items into the AUR market and not because of the vanity items themselves. we're trying to stop the problem before it even happens. +1
Aramatheia	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 - [287] Originally by: Rocom i love how a lot people responding in this thread doesnt realize that the real problem is the possibility of CCP introducing non-vanity items into the AUR market and not because of the vanity items themselves. we're trying to stop the problem before it even happens. +1 the title of the thread specifically says "Clothes" thats specifically implies the clothing items which have already been released. People are acting like immature brats over stuff thats as stupid as it is expensive. I stated my opinion on that matter. Pixel panties isnt worth a galactic tantrum. Opposition for US dollars-for-power i can agree with, and a motion i could side with. But until that is released or announced theres really no justification to act like i've seen this past week
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:14:00 - [288] Perfect, now if only we could get CCP to log on as normal players so we can gank them.
Dante Marcellus Minmatar Nightmare Brigade	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:17:00 - [289] Originally by: Alice Celadon The concept is pretty simple. CCP prides itself on the strong and interesting communities EVE has created. Want to fight back against the idiocy of cash shops, which are sapping developer time and focus from actual gameplay? Ban recruitment of any player with current or past portraits which show that he/she has purchased real money items. If only a few prominent CEOs sign onto this and get the word out, it could very well have a domino affect. And what would stop these people from creating their own corp? We are sitting in a sandbox, you know. Being in a corp doesn't technically make or break the game. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:25:00 - [290] Originally by: Raz Xym The thing with a monoclegeddon, is it would only be for a short period of time. I would be more infavor of a trust fund that would pay for constant WD's of corps who harbour these offenders. They are only looking for attention, so give them some. Sooner or later they will have to all band together (easy single target) or hide in NPC corps. I agree wholeheartedly. People who do not have a billion plus to spend on vanity items war-decing people who do have a billion to spare is a ****ing epic idea. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.

Stalking Mantis Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:28:00 - [291] Agreed ----- MMORPG - Cancelled Subs Could Cost CCP $1 Million
Pure Tabasco	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:30:00 - [292] THIS + Monocleageddon = WIN
amarri victari	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:46:00 - [293] +1 fully supported anyone who cant get into anywhere else, join my corp, 2% tax, no rules, no reds or blues, do as you wish, no CTAs, no forums, no official fittings, no corp ops, no TS or vent - literally no rules ! pretty easy IMHO and cheaper than being in npc corp, heck i may even resub with plex in sept or whenever this shizzle runs out if enough waifs and strays sign up. feel free to bring your monocles, boots, shirts, whatever unlike the original SS, SS-20 does not discriminate! no rules ! you wanna run misisons, run missions! you wanna mine, mine! you wanna pirate, you pirate.
Viking Sven	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:48:00 - [294] Edited by: Viking Sven on 29/06/2011 04:49:08 Originally by: Valei Khurelem Perfect, now if only we could get CCP to log on as normal players so we can gank them. They were an alliance called BoB, and they cheated like mother ****ers. Also, this thread is pretty short sighted. You'll just end up with alliances of MT players vs. alliances of non-MT players.
bluewolf297	Posted - 2011.06.29 20:58:00 - [295] im personally torn on this issue, the logical part of me simply says to leave well enough alone and let the people buy their $60 monocles, but then a more practical reasoning kicks in when i see somone i am about to recruit... if said person cares more about their appearance than firepower or mining speed, i have no use for them in my corp. if you want to look pretty, thats fine, but i would personally never hire the likes of you as you would be useless to my corp. personally i would like an ability to simply hide the aur amount when i hover over my wallet, it gives the feel of a free to play game that tries to entice you to buy items at every turn. if you apply to my humble corp and you wear a monocle, i dont care what your skills are. you are a shallow drone who cares about appearance instead of results, i will not recruit you. +1 on another note, incarna could be fixed by simply causing you to appear in the old hangar when you dock and then have a "disembark" button that would cause you to leave your pod and load the station environment...


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