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Taedrin Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:44:00 - [121] CCP, I have almost always been a fanboy, always presuming the best of intentions out of you. Rarely have I said anything negative about you and always believed that any mistakes you made would eventually be corrected without needing your players to tell you anything. But what in the world are you thinking!?!? Sure, I can understand the monocle if you want to make it an exclusive item, owned only be the richest players in EVE. But everything else? Each item costs at least half of a PLEX! A shirt in the noble exchange costs as much as a shirt in real life - except in real life the shirt has an actual tradeable value, whereas in EVE CCP claims all virtual property for themselves. This MIGHT be acceptable if once you purchased an item, it was purchased forever. But this is not the case - you lose the shirt you bought if you get podded. Here are your choices, CCP: 1) Cut prices by an order of magnitude AT LEAST. That means divide it all by 10. This way players won't mind losing the shirt off their back when they get podded and would be willing to buy again. 2) Clothing purchased is permanently available for character recustimization. 3) Change the noble exchange from buying clothing, to buying BPOs for said clothing. ^ Pick one of those options, CCP. I myself would prefer it if you picked #1. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Anderson Tane	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:45:00 - [122] Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. Well I was not offended :) There are problems but I'm sure things will get sorted out at some point.
Xia Long Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 - [123] Originally by: Nina Dakatt stuff no u don't deserve anything more than anyone else, not in a game Don't care if u'r some rich's son , or someone who broke his back to get a good position or again someone who might have lost his job, this is a game , this is NOT the reality, if you want do rightfully showoff your money, u'r free to do it in RL, point.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 - [124] Originally by: Fukov Andie I get an idea what went wrong with the icelandic economy. LOL! A new bobble! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 - [125] Something I think CCP should look again at, is the prices in ISK they are hoping to use for Dust stuff, in comparison to PLEX prices and then versus the number of AURum value per plex. It doesn't take an economist with a degree to see a fewkin big imbalance between things. Now, I do realise the numbers in that video were just plucked out of thin air, but they did seem to make a kind of sense. With the current conversion rate between AUR and PLEX, tho, I dont think many folks will want to shell out for the CESTUS command ship, given the dusties will likely lose 1 per battle if on the losing team. I think out of all the figures, the exchange rate between PLEX and AURum will need to be looked at again. ISK prices for DUST vehicles and equipment that we know about so far, which did made some kind of sense - source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxLJ20oYZGM Infantry Assault Armor 'AEGIS' = 375,000 ISK RDV Drone 'Bolas' (Dropship) = 4,400,000 ISK Heavy Attack Vehicle 'GUNNLOGI' (Tank) = 1,400,000 ISK Installation Component 'Phase-Synched Railgun' = 1,000,000 ISK Mobile Command Centre 'CESTUS' (Battlefield Command Ship) = 120,000,000 ISK
Jupix Minmatar MuroBBS United	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:47:00 - [126] Originally by: CCP Guard We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. What different opinions? Literally everyone is saying the noble prices are crazy high Unless they are lowered by at least an order of magnitude, I'm gonna assume CCP wants that business model to fail...
Syphon Lodian Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:48:00 - [127] Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. Appreciate the legitimate response, and we're all looking forward to further details regarding the Noble Exchange. ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself.
Kez Aumer	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 - [128] Originally by: Taedrin But this is not the case - you lose the shirt you bought if you get podded. You do not.
Jose Black Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:55:00 - [129] Edited by: Jose Black on 22/06/2011 12:55:34 Originally by: Systech Eve has around 500 million subscribers and on a good day you are lucky to see 43k online, most of the time Eve doesn't even break 30k. So the only way to make more more money is to pork the players that are left. This is a good way to finish off the 30k that do play regularly. I don't see Eve staying a flow for much longer, I would say Eve won't last till next year. This is a last attempt chance to stay above water and I don't see this working. It is 500 thousand, not million. The term subscribers means active (paying) subscriptions, not registered accounts or something. That makes your whole argument pointless.
FatRaps	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:57:00 - [130] Edited by: FatRaps on 22/06/2011 12:58:25 At least you know anyone with one of these is a good scam target and not very bright.
Eu Daimon Gallente Merchants of the Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:02:00 - [131] Had the discussion with a friend. Basicly you have a very small group of players a max 100 that make 1 bil a day. They could easily buy these luxury items. So if the goal is to make endgame items I believe this has been achieved with a bil. isk clothing. However as an overall business model I don't believe in it. There are far to few customers with this pricing that would participate. Only time will tell however.
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:02:00 - [132] Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 22/06/2011 13:02:48 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. Just love it. Want one so much that when I fleet in MTgeddon I hope one drops. Then I'm going to stomp it. That much ugly shouldn't exist.
Rrama Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:03:00 - [133] its not just the prices there are bugs that incarna introduced.... NAMELY DISAPPEARING IMPLANTS and DRONES DOING NEXT TO 0 DAMAGE and NERF TO SCAN STRENGTH OF PROBES both reported by numerous people
Zief	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:03:00 - [134] /me NERDRAGE!!!!!!! You crammed it down our throats CCP! NO ONE was really excited about it except you! GIVE ME BACK MY SPINNING SHIP!! Take your monocle and go * CENSORED FOR EXTREME CONTENT*
Major Galdari Invicta.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:08:00 - [135] Nobody's making you buy this stuff. Just ignore it and keep on doing whatever it is you were doing before the expansion
Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 - [136] Originally by: Eu Daimon Had the discussion with a friend. Basicly you have a very small group of players a max 100 that make 1 bil a day. They could easily buy these luxury items. So if the goal is to make endgame items I believe this has been achieved with a bil. isk clothing. However as an overall business model I don't believe in it. There are far to few customers with this pricing that would participate. Only time will tell however. Honestly i think that CCP just made it again just trolled all the whiners and complainers and made them even cry harder. Sooo everyone it's crying because MT it's gonna kill the game , that MT it's an absurd way to make money and CCP only care for money and moar moneyz and that's all. then CCP listen to them and add a superb MT that no one in their right mind it's gonna use with an absurd price, and all the previous ppl now CRY HARDER because that price it's absurd and they can't afford it. Brilliant CCP you sir made a Brilliant move /Hat off P.S: i think CCP screwed the Aur price and just added a 0 to all items
Peri Simone Steel Dawn Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:12:00 - [137] Originally by: Nina Dakatt Try thinking out of the box, take a look at RL and accept that there are 2 types of EvE (or any game for that matter) player. 1) The younger gamer, student maybe ot between jobs that has lots of time on thier hands, Cash is in short supply do they feed their gaming by playing lots, grinding isk and buying plexes. Those plexes do not appear out of thin air, they are created by : 2) Older gamer, has a good job that pays good cash. They have cash to spare and already have everything they need in RL. To have this level of comfort requires either a lottery win or work many hours. I am Gamer 2. I think nothing of buying 12 plexes and selling them to pay for my PvP habit. I dont have the time to grind ISK, i get home from work often late, and just want to log on and blow up some internet spacehips in my very limited available time. This enables me to play EvE, Play another FotM game/MMO, keep the Mrs happy, spend time with the kids, go out and eat steak every night if i choose and run a mercedes. I do this because i work hard and deserve to have an easy grind free fun playtime. I am Damned if some unemployed peasant dictates to me how my gametime is played. When station walking comes into play then so will EvE politics, Alliance discussion will be conducted around a table not IRC, As in RL image will be everything, In RL i wear designer suits to make the right impact, they more than pay for themselves thanks. EvE will be the same, the more high value wealth you display the more credibility you will have when conducting business or declaring war/peace in the stations. I think its clear where this game is going, and one other thing, there are not many premium MMO's out there that give you a chance to play without subscription. I would think about that if i were you before they do decide to go deeply down the F2P route. If they do i dont care how many officer mods give you godmode in PvP, i will be able to afford to buy better. 3) Older gamer, has a reasonably paid job, doesn't buy plex because he enjoys the challenge of in-game trading and thinks "blowing up internet spaceships" is more fun with an element of risk, never bought a designer suit in his life, thinks you're a bit of a tit.
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:19:00 - [138] Originally by: Peri Simone 3) Older gamer, has a reasonably paid job, doesn't buy plex because he enjoys the challenge of in-game trading and thinks "blowing up internet spaceships" is more fun with an element of risk, never bought a designer suit in his life, thinks you're a bit of a tit. Seconded ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
FatRaps	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:20:00 - [139] PROTIP: Anyone that says "try thinking out of the box" is a prick and when you read this at the stat of a post, its best to just ignore it and skip to the next.
Consortium Agent	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:27:00 - [140] Originally by: Zleon Leigh Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 22/06/2011 13:02:48 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. Just love it. Want one so much that when I fleet in MTgeddon I hope one drops. Then I'm going to stomp it. That much ugly shouldn't exist. Lolz. +1 this
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [141] Originally by: Shardivh Originally by: Flak Ygdral How much!!!? Thats practically a new ship! ______ When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD...
00Dead Caldari Vanquish Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:31:00 - [142] The direction EvE is taking is one that is undesired by many of the players. We now have Dev's goading players about the new prices. What a shame..................
Zief	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:34:00 - [143] Originally by: Peri Simone Older gamer, has a reasonably paid job, doesn't buy plex because he enjoys the challenge of in-game trading and thinks "blowing up internet spaceships" is more fun with an element of risk, never bought a designer suit in his life, thinks you're a bit of a tit. "third'ed"
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:39:00 - [144] Originally by: CCP Guard Guys, I didn't mean to offend with my little wordplay there. Sorry if I did. A more serious reply to your concerns and questions regarding pricing of virtual goods is coming. The workday started not long ago over here and most of us were up late monitoring initial reactions and spinning our dudes in CQ. We are piecing together the different opinions and we'll do our best to address all of them. Thank you all for your patience. I really have to point out that you do have a test-server for all your "information gathering" and "bug hunting".
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:42:00 - [145] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Isn't it more fair to say that the high price discourages RMT, since anyone foolish enough to spend real money on these items is their own tool? Seems to me that these are for the in-game wealthy, as a bit of a trophy for how much isk they have. Stops the regular joe from wasting his RL paycheck, unless he's just a tard. 1.3bil for a completely indestructable, USELESS vanity item? Yeah, where's the harm in that? Oh there's no real harm in it, but it is hilariously stupid in terms of its stated goals. I personally dont care if they charge an octillion ISK for an e-sock, because I'm not buying any of it anyway. But it is still amusing to see people yelling I DONT WANT TO BUY ANY MT ITEMS, ALSO THEY ARE TOO EXPENSIVE!!!! If you're not buying one anyway, why do you care how much they are? I assume everyone that's raging about the price was intending to buy MT items? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 - [146] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 22/06/2011 13:46:12 Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder.
Andrew Riviera Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 - [147] Someone...make that several someones have missed the idea behind microtransactions. They are supposed to be a pittance, small enough that players can just shrug and buy something 'because why not.' A capital ship is not in that category. Neither is sixty dollars. Sixty dollars is, in fact, enough to buy a completely different, brand new A-list game. A monocle for a single-player captain's quarters experience, or an entire other new-release game. A game that just might have a full range of character customization options without an attempted price gouge. A game made by developers who are slightly less blatant in their attempts to attach a suction pump to their players' wallets.
Iok Sototh The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:52:00 - [148] Originally by: CCP Guard It's all in the eye of the beholder. "It's all in the eye of the beholder, suckers"
Genghis Kitty Hello Kitty Online Adventurers	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:53:00 - [149] Isn't this having the desired effect? A monocle is going to be an item only the super rich have. It's not something a normal joe can buy. Therefore anyone with a monocle (presumably this monacle will show on the forums too?) will be showing off, and some people will fawn and be envious. Just like IRL with someone having a ú10,000 Rolex watch. Some will care, most will just say "meh", but life will still go on. * The greatest trick the devil ever played * * was convincing the world he wasn't a kitten *
45 Longslide	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:05:00 - [150] Gawd where to start. First, to Guard and CCP in general, wake up. Being flippant in the face of genuine anger isn't helpful. You might not have wanted to spit in our face but that was the effect. I am of the opinion you're just not getting how PO'ed everyone really is atm on multiple levels. The thing that bothers me the most is the total lack intelligent thought that seems to have gone into this whole process. Incarna has been Years in the making and to so totally flub it from day one is just inexcusable. It alludes to an institutional wide break down in good judgement and consideration. Can you genuinely tell me that not one CCP staffer brought up the point that a monocle cost's more than any faction BS, even the pirate one's ? If no one did then we the player base have to genuinely ask, do any of you play the game any more ? If you don't then we need to ask ourselves why we should consume a product that the makers don't use themselves ? If you do play they how can you begin to justify in an intelligent way the exchange rate you set ? This speaks to a total lack of good judgment and planning. What is the use in expending years of time and resources to roll out a feature that few wanted and with these prices almost no one will bother to use. I just can not begin to comprehend how you could have borked this any worse than what you did. Unless two zero's get added to the conversion rate in the next 24 hours then i'm resigned to believe that you set out to screw us from day one and all you're PR to the contrary the proof is there for all to see. An expansion no one participates in is a failed effort and they way you rolled this out I'd be stunned to see anyone partake in this blatant rip off.

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