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P42ALPHA
Gallente
DeadOn.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Katra Novac
Edited by: Katra Novac on 23/06/2011 10:21:50
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hastrin
I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.
The fact that you can't buy Aurum directly with RL currency, makes me wonder if they're trying to divert a lot of ingame PLEX that's used for free game play into Aurum instead.
They must be making a lot from selling PLEX anyway so Aurum seems a good way (on the face of it) for using up surplus PLEX ingame. And if anyone buys PLEX for RL currency to buy Aurum with it's a bonus.
And you all are just realizing this?? 
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Markis Silvairi
Infinite Covenant
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: flapie 2
Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda
It is so easy to TEMPORARILY disable that station environment and go on with your Internet spaceships unhindered.
There, fixed that for you. Funny how everyone seems to miss that part.
You know they said it temporarily till they find a more fitting solution to replace that background image. Just quoting others from what you heard isnt a good thing todo, iff you actually read, you would know that working on a more gracefull solution for lower-end machines.
Would be nice if there where more mature people around, to debate this in a normal way insted of just screaming like a bunch of 5 year olds.
Actually I heard it from the Dev Blog. Perhaps instead of assuming that everyone is a screaming 5 year old that just copy/pastes what everyone else on the forums says you can do some research yourself.
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Whim Aqayn
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:29:00 -
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Let this troll thread die already.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 23/06/2011 10:30:53
Originally by: Hastrin
Originally by: Tippia
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.
plex is bought with isk, then used to buy clothes. when you get podded and loose it, the value is gone. seems like a sink
No. The value is not gone ù the PLEX (i.e. game time) is gone. The ISK is transferred to another player and remains in the economy.
Originally by: JitaBUGz TheGreat
I dont see the point of crying that it ruins the game. I for one like CQ. But that said. When i am not playing barbie doll. I have not even noticed the CQ, I dock, reship-refit, and forget my hair is a little more red then I would like.
And that's nice for you. Some people do notice the CQ for various reasons, and in various ways, and don't want to. They also want the functionality that was lost with this transition, which is not brought back by simply disabling the CQ.
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Why even turn it off, it dose not slow down anything.
How many clients do you run? How long does it take before your menus become responsive? How do you access your ship and its various nooks and crannies? If you have trained yourself to be very efficient about it, the ways in which this can no longer be done are very noticeable.
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Forum warriors need to get off there high horse and play the game.
It would be nice if they did (and had done so before the patch so they had a point of reference), so they knew about the functionality that was lost in the process and stopped making these kinds of uninformed claims about how nothing has changed.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Katra Novac on 23/06/2011 10:30:36
Originally by: P42ALPHA
Originally by: Katra Novac
Edited by: Katra Novac on 23/06/2011 10:21:50
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hastrin
I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.
The fact that you can't buy Aurum directly with RL currency, makes me wonder if they're trying to divert a lot of ingame PLEX that's used for free game play into Aurum instead.
They must be making a lot from selling PLEX anyway so Aurum seems a good way (on the face of it) for using up surplus PLEX ingame. And if anyone buys PLEX for RL currency to buy Aurum with it's a bonus.
And you all are just realizing this??
No, but it's the first I've mentioned it.
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Alexiama
It has been possible to use real money to buy an advantage in EVE for years.
It works. It is not broken and most people like/accept that. So why start crying now?
Nothing has changed.
Well, not entirely true. Now you can also use real money to customize you avatar. Gosh. What a game breaker.
The fact is PLEX, AUR and ISK are just different currencies that are traded on the market in EVE and can all be bought for real money or earned in-game. It is all your choice.
A lot of people like to use ISK to buy PLEX to fund their sub in EVE. And now they can also use ISK to buy a monocle.
Look, i know the concept is somewhat hard to understand but plex and AUR are fundamentaly different. Lets assume we have 3 guys.
A. The guy with the plex
B. The guy with the isk
C. The guy with the goods
A has leftover money, and wants to buy a ship from C since purchasing it directly with money is illegal, he purchases a plex sells it to B and purchases the ship from C. This way B gets paid for farming isk, C is getting paid for the goods and A is a happy ship owner without too much effort.
Lets assume we do this with AUR. The paragraph suddenly becomes a lot smaller now. A buys a ship with money. Thats it. B and C lose out. Whats more B cant play anymore because he doesnt have the money to support his gaming habit and C cant support his PVP expenses anymore because hes doing bad buiseness.
Thats one reason to dislike it.
The second reason is this
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However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles
Taken from their newsletter. A personal favourite of mine, because it clearly shows how much monetary effort is beeing put to fix the game. (the WIS engine is, after all, mainly developed for WoD)
And in general
Originally by: Alexiama
Even if CCP would decide to put "useful" and/or game changing stuff like ships/modules/boosters/implants in the NEX shop it will not change much. You can still buy it for ISK.
The truth is that the NEX shop is nothing but an ISK-sink. And I do think CCP has very good reasons for implementing one. Very few will spend Ç50 on a monocle but if they want to do that I think it is a good thing for EVE and might even help keep the subs down for the rest of us.
This is a huge misconception. The AUR shop is a Plex sink, not isk. To minimize long term risks of "plex bubbles" ruining revenue short term you will have to get rid of them without adding gametime to accounts. Thats basically it. They want to get old "unused" plex out of the system so there wont be an overflow. If it gets too cheap and people start to buy plex (that are not bought, but rather are left over) they could lose short time revenue that they allready put into their spending plan. If there is no overflow, it will create aditional plex purchases from guys buying vanity items. Its a win/win solution. But that in itself is not a bad thing. Albeit i will say that the prices are immensly overpriced.
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Markis Silvairi
Infinite Covenant
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac
The fact that you can't buy Aurum directly with RL currency, makes me wonder if they're trying to divert a lot of ingame PLEX that's used for free game play into Aurum instead
Plex is NOT free.
Person "A" pays CCP for 30 days game time. That player then has 2 options.
1. Use that game time for his/her account
2. Put said game time on the market for isk
either way, CCP still got paid for that time.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alexiama
It has been possible to use real money to buy an advantage in EVE for years.
It works. It is not broken and most people like/accept that. So why start crying now?
Nothing has changed.
Well, not entirely true. Now you can also use real money to customize you avatar. Gosh. What a game breaker.
The fact is PLEX, AUR and ISK are just different currencies that are traded on the market in EVE and can all be bought for real money or earned in-game. It is all your choice.
A lot of people like to use ISK to buy PLEX to fund their sub in EVE. And now they can also use ISK to buy a monocle.
Even if CCP would decide to put "useful" and/or game changing stuff like ships/modules/boosters/implants in the NEX shop it will not change much. You can still buy it for ISK.
The truth is that the NEX shop is nothing but an ISK-sink. And I do think CCP has very good reasons for implementing one. Very few will spend Ç50 on a monocle but if they want to do that I think it is a good thing for EVE and might even help keep the subs down for the rest of us.
Yes people could already buy an advantage. Plenty of rumors that's what some rich Russian oligarch's kids did it to get DRF their abundance of supers.
The problem is that with Incarna, selling people stuff for RL money has become the core of their business model. From there on it's only a minor step to sell skillpoints, special officer mods etc. This attitude will poison the game, not only because of the deteriorating community, but also because every next update will be more and more focused on ways for CCP to squeeze us for money. Even though updates should be focused on new gameplay content and fixing/balancing to retain the interest of the playerbase. Vanity items don't offer much of this AT ALL.
The only way to bind players to your game long term is by offering them new challenges and granting them a sense of achievement that they have EARNED, not BOUGHT.
Also: you clearly don't have a clue how ISK-sinks work, so keep your uninformed opinion to yourself please.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:46:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Zverofaust
Originally by: Dograzor
You sir, are not informed.
Start reading.
Yes that's right, anyone who doesn't share your exact same opinion is obviously just uninformed.
Well you could read this for a starter.
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Lexmana
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lexmana on 23/06/2011 10:58:43
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Alexiama
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:03:00 -
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Made a mistake in OP. Of course it is a PLEX-sink. It is PLEX that is removed. ISK stays. And I do think CCP has very good reasons to try reduce the numer of PLEX that some players are stockpiling.
Originally by: Cataca
Look, i know the concept is somewhat hard to understand but plex and AUR are fundamentaly different.
The difference between PLEX and AUR is basically the same as between dollars and cents. Only difference is that you can't (yet) directly convert AUR to PLEX. Though, you can use AUR to buy NEX-stuff and sell it for ISK and buy PLEX for the ISK. Soon maybe you can even sell AUR for ISK directly like you can PLEX. There is a slight transaction cost - that is all.
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Mikal Morataya
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Norian Lonark
Plex works different to just buying new items which appear out of thin air for cash.
Amen! People need to use this as a signature..100% spot on..
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alexiama
Made a mistake in OP. Of course it is a PLEX-sink. It is PLEX that is removed. ISK stays. And I do think CCP has very good reasons to try reduce the numer of PLEX that some players are stockpiling.
Originally by: Cataca
Look, i know the concept is somewhat hard to understand but plex and AUR are fundamentaly different.
The difference between PLEX and AUR is basically the same as between dollars and cents. Only difference is that you can't (yet) directly convert AUR to PLEX. Though, you can use AUR to buy NEX-stuff and sell it for ISK and buy PLEX for the ISK. Soon maybe you can even sell AUR for ISK directly like you can PLEX. There is a slight transaction cost - that is all.
The difference is that if you buy shi*...stuff with your plex, it goes through the market. Several people profit from it. While with AUR only the one who exchanges it to items gets any profit. I do not see how its so hard to see the fundamental difference there. It undermines entire market and gameplay structure. (that is if stuff like ships/turrets/ammo get introduced there)
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