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Bloodpetal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 01:13:45
Ironically, I was going through posts from 2003, and you, CCP Pann, came up on one of the first few dev posts I found. So, no, you're not a total surprise to me.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=16346&page=1#9
I think it was obvious to most of us you were waiting for the steam to die down, and it only fanned the community to kick up a storm.
I've never been more involved on the EVE forums as today, and I know many who have said the same about the last couple days. We will be heard. The prices of the NEX are so far out of context, (I understand you're not the one to respond to this part), that you don't have to be PART of the community to see the problem when expressed in pure monetary ways.
The major issue is that the newsletter is clearly opposed to things that have been stated in multiple places as philosophy - including but not limited to expanding EVE RMT beyond vanity items (refer to the last post about price, which only makes the issue worse when in context). TO the Community this is directly equated to as LYING to us. Including when SISI patch included the ability to trade RMT for Neural Remaps, that was clearly revoked.
On top of it all, the desire to sell clearly ALREADY AVAILABLE game features for AUR because CCP TOOK and LIMITED The Feature, such as the thread I created on Unlimited Fittings makes me feel absolutely and invidually targeted by these tactics by particular members of the dev teams such as by this statement from this thread.
Quote: "Right now you can store 50 personal fittings..., thats more than enough for the average EVE player..., why not be able to add more storage for a small amout of money?" - EVE Lead Game Designer
Taken that into account, not only do I think the poor PR of the last week has been exclusively CCP's fault up to and including the handling of the Alliance Tournament - but also this exposure of double-handed discussions on what has CLEARLY BEEN STATED as a VANITY ONLY POLICY on a corporate level makes us feel betrayed.
To be added to that particular topic, is the concept that now that all CCP policy and actions up to this point must be reviewed by the generally intelligent, mature, and clearly fore-sight enabled community - all your decisions up to this point must be reviewed for WHY it was decided.
INCLUDING taking something that was CLAIMED to be a FEATURE for the community, such as SERVER-SIDE FITTINGS - and assessing if that "feature" was only intended to be made into a CONVENIENCE CHARGE on us. And how many other "convenience" charges will we see down the road, for a game WE ALREADY PAY for, most of the time for by buying 2 or 3 or more accounts!
It doesn't take a lot to sit back and see that there is a whole cascade of CCP decisions on the EVE community that must be reviewed for validity. Why such focus on iterative deployment? So that you can promise less large deployments, and focus on your other projects, which are intended to become your primary "money makers" and to leave the EVE community, the game, in a defunct state for the long time to come because of an inability to maintain multiple products simultaneously and a switch to focus on these other products.
So, with what were once "features" being assessed individually - and with what we have seen, yes, we are pretty annoyed at the general lack of frankness with us and that we will treat each decision with a critical eye of "paradise lost". You're not in NEW Eden anymore. ____________________________________________________ Cost of the week of June 21st |
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 01:13:03
Since this is obviously to MILK us to fund WoD, do you see more future in WoD?
What happens to Eve after WoD is released, will Eve fund lower than expected take up of WoD?
How many lost account's does it take to hurt CCP financialy and put WoD at risk, perhaps even CCP at risk and have to downsize?
WOD is.
Written clearly here
Quote: EVE-Online has been the company's main product, but this new game is intended to underpin the company's operations. William said when asked to do would be expected to seek to invest outside the existing shareholders waived their preemptive rights as a provision in the authority last AGM. 'We've been excited about the options to get new foreign investors, who know our sector, to join the club.
The spending of EVE money where they want is fine, but they're pretty much saying they're not touching EVE after WOD is out.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:45:00 -
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Steady rate of posting in this thread is up to 10 posts a minute.
I think that's a solid record. Any contenders?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 02:06:52
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Raivi Anyone who thinks Soundwave should be fired over this has lost their heads. He leads the dev team that's done more to respond to the :18 months: debacle than any other, with all their little things. Guy is passionate about eve and we want him to keep working on the devleopments of our flying in space.
I believe the views he expresses in the newsletter to be completely wrong, but I think if we give him and the other CCP guys a chance to see the player's perspective without personal attacks that drive them away from the discussion, they will come around to our side. Worst comes to worst we can just all unsub and the company will go bankrupt, but hopefully we can reach a compromise before that stage.
If Soundwave and the rest of CCP had talked to players like the CSM (or, you know, the guys under NDA who were hanging out with them all last week) about this they would have understood our concerns earlier. At this point we need more contact between devs and players, not less.
Well said.
Easy to say that when a feature that you used consistently got limited with the intention of fleecing you for money and getting you to pay for it.
I feel personally targeted by that quote about charging for extra fitting space given I have a specific thread dedicated to that topic and not a single dev or official response has responded to it, including having had it posted in the "DEVS answer all your questions" topic.
It's clear that the intention of limiting us was planned to make us pay for it.
I can not and do not agree with that. Is that personal? Yes, because as far as I'm concerned it was made personal when I was targeted to pay more for a product I already have multiple accounts subscribed for, so now you're making me inconvenienced so you can plan to take more money from me?
How many little features "fixed" have been designed with the intention of RMT all along?
Sorry, no sympathy for me, and no, I'm not sending Soundwave a contract for a damage control.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: M'alikkev Hey CCP Pan,
Might want to revise your slides.
CCP @ GDC Europe Reveals Talks For Community Management Summit
Quote: - Elsewhere, Valerie Massey, senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels.
I'll have ears and eyes in the room too :3
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 02:53:08 In 2 hours and 15 minutes the CCP Pann thread has exploded to 38 pages. Half as much as news bulletin thread has gotten up to in 48 hours, really incredible.
1150 posts in 2 hours = 600 posts an hour = 10 posts a minute.
Staying steady from the last time I checked the posting rate.
That means by tomorrow morning, if things stay steady we'll have well over 5000 posts on this topic.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 03:13:45
As long as I have a chance of getting someones response, can I get these questions answered?
Ok, CCP, I get it about the monocle...
"It has economy simplicity, low production cost, and potential for mass appeal. And all that spells out great profitibality."
"But the great part is we don't have to charge an arm and a leg." *cough*
Can CCP answer these questions about the monocle?
What if you tire before it's done? Does it have rules? Can more than one play? What makes you think it's a game? IS IT a game? Will it break? It better break eventually! Is there an object? Does it come with batteries? Could we charge extra for them? Is it safe for toddlers? How do you know when you're finished? How do you make it stop? Is that a boy's model? Can a parent assemble it? Is there a larger model for the obese? What the hell is it?
And, did you really expect THIS reaction? Is that why you made us wait?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Takishu Damn, they bring us back the Ancients. Quote:
She's not THAT old.
She's circa 2003, that's like resurrecting methuselah.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Qwyp Funny how the tards cancelling think it means anything...
their are more plexes bought to turn into isk to more than make up for cancelled accounts.
every mmo group has the same bunch of tards that when something big happens they whine CANCEL
DAOC had it when trials of atlantis
EQ and EQ2 had it
WoW has had it every expansion haha
It still doesn't look good on paper, and the stockholders sure don't like to see negative "growth" numbers.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 04:06:37
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he. I personally would not like to see one of the driving forces behind the Alliance Tournament and the spiritual leader of Team BFF take a fall for agreeing to present one opposing side of the microtransaction debate in an internal newsletter.
You mean the Alliance Tournament we have heard absolutely nothing about on official channels since the finals? The Tournament that had no fan-fare, no pride in the EVE TV Crew? You mean the Alliance Tournament that was embarassed due to the outcome, and has a negative viewpoint from the majority of the viewers who cared? 30,000+ people watching in negative shock.
Also, when I feel I've been personally targeted by his comments because I am in charge and constantly work a thread on the limited fittings nerf - and now he wants to take and make me pay an inconvenience charge after I already give CCP almost $50 a month?
Hmmm... No. I take that personally.
And I'm clearly not the only one that takes offense to KNOWLEDGEABLE and WILLING opposition to what we want in a person we held as an icon for EVE - as you said. So, yes, this is a fall from grace.
Do I want him fired? No, but I'm sure he's not happy about the situation or his reputation. I'm sure that won't positively affect him as an individual. I wonder if he'll hold a grudge against the community for this outcry, and if we'll finally get UNLIMITED fittings again, instead of this disgusting attempt to fleece more money for a basic feature from the "spiritual leader of Team BFF".
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007
I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! ____________________________________________________ Cost of the week of June 21st |
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey I am utterly astonished by the responses in this thread...
I for one vote in confidence of CCP, in the hopes that we just misunderstood something.
Lol, denial.
Quote: Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
The subject may use: simple denial - deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether minimisation - admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization) projection - admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Iamien Let us talk with John Turbefield (CCP Diagoras). He is the only CCP Employee that most of us have any respect for at the moment.
What if CCP Diagoras is the guy most in favour of "Ammo Now", CCP Soundwave is the most opposed to PLEX or any form of MT, and they took opposing stances in order to ensure a balanced debate?
Where would you lot be when it turns out the guy you thought was Robert Paulson was actually Tyler Durden?
League of Legends, Manga.
Nuff said.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:10:00 -
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You have run into the obvious limitation of the RMT system.
It's successful for a particular audience, regardless of age.
Treating us like impulsive teenagers is going to fail. We've played this game, sweat and worked and slaved to make this game better more fun and interesting for all of us in a collective "emergent" fashion.
And now you want to pretend we're going to look at glitter and go, OOH< GIVE ME! I DONT CARE HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS!!!
Really?
Like.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29 I would be lying if I said that whatÆs happening now didnÆt make me sad, but IÆm not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, IÆm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.
It's about core principles, not the content so much.
IT's a perfect storm that's come together, escalated by this decision to "wait out the storm".
CCP is in deep **** and they know it. They've put a lot of "dev" time into this expansion, and this reaction is not what they want to see, it's bad for company morale, it's bad for their teams who have worked so hard, and it's bad for their public image.
If I was the average CCP employee and saw this I'd be pretty demoralized that all the months of hard work has culminated in community shock because of a few decisions made in other departments that should really have had a seriously more realistic outlook and outline to execution.
It's bad for their bottom-line, no matter how anyone wants to excuse some people quitting as irrelevant, appearance is everything and "negative" growth looks bad on paper, period. CCP can't work on borrowed time. Shareholders want money, projects need money, and everything works together to bring them every dollar they need to get forward.
ON top of the internal morale issues their managers clearly have to fight back now, as clearly expressed by CCP Pann by saying it makes her sad, because every CCP employee that works the ground level does care, but people who are rolling out these changes are clearly disconnected not only from the EVE Community - but the MMO standards for RMT, the WORLD economy crisis, the very fact that people are starving for the price that they want to charge for a goddamned monocle.
Donate all the PLEXes from any Monocle sales thus far to a charity - and now you'll start to get some realization as to what kind of justice we want.
So, yes, this is a serious blow. They know this is a serious blow. Noone wants to wake up and have 140,000 page view thread with 3000+ posts raging on them. That's a lot of hate ladies and gentlemen.
But frankly, CCP, you deserve it. There's no amount of mis-communication here. Decisions were made on a timeline. Prices were set on a time-line. And wherever that disconnect happened, welcome to re-connect time.
CCP Pann, being here as long as you have been, what I do know is that you've seen other "executive teams" go by, and you have been the mouthpiece for quite a few of them. I'm sure you've seen them repeat the same mistakes over and over as responsibilities change hands, people have to learn the same mistakes over and over. I'm sure you made your decision to wait for the storm to pass with good experience.
But, as is becoming clear, you're not dealing with the typical 'gamer', 'consumer', 'community'. You have something special here for EVE. Knowing your consumer is rule #1 for business. Knowing your product is rule #2. This is one hell of a wake up call.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Kallynda Nai From CCP_Manifest's twitter:
@Thorvik_EVE Oh, I understand passion. THere's of course a lot of logic people are missing, but that's ok.
Pray tell, what logic is missing here?
Well, a "lot" is an admitted overstatement. I was thinking specifically at the time though of the fact that _some_ people don't realize that NeX stuff on sale now can be purchased with in game ISK through purchasing PLEX.
It's a relatively small point, and I probably should have (a) been clearer or (b) not said anything at all.
There is a lot more logic being said here though and a lot of passion as well, and I don't mean to try to diminish that.
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Ok, AURUM = PLEX. PLEX = 17.99 or whatever it goes for now adays.
4 PLEX ~~ $80.
You are dealing with REAL MONEY TRANSACTIONS (RMT). I don't care how much we can buy it for with ISK - that is a fluid market.
The price set by CCP is STATIC, NON-CHANGING, EQUAL TO AND UNEQUIVOCALLY equal to $80.
Until monocles hit the market in volume and are traded as such, you can't tell me how much a monocle is worth in ISK.
But, I can tell you exactly how much it's worth in dollars.
Quote: An inexpensive cell phone. A brand new pair of shoes. One or two pair of jeans. Some shirts. A gift card for a store you like. Food, a nice meal for two at a restaurant. Cologne. A sports watch. Books. A video game. Concert tickets. A fine, such as a financial obligation for school. A trip. DVD's Furniture for your room at a cheap warehouse. Points for XBOX Live
I also have noticed you don't happen to be wearing a monocle, any reason for that perhaps?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 04:46:34 1690 posts in 3 hours.
Statistically, response rate is dropping from 10 posts per minute to about 9.63 posts per minute.
It's also middle of the night and most of the world is asleep.
Can't wait for tomorrow morning. ____________________________________________________ Cost of the week of June 21st |
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:57:00 -
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Have to quote this to get some exposure and make sure it's not missed.
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne We are angry... furious... over the what your apparent view of us as your 'clients' are.
Direct slap in the face.
For a long time we suspected that you've gotten way out of touch with us. But, we trusted you.
And then, we get slapped in the face.
Through a leaked document, we really get to see what you think we are. (Or, a subset of you, let's not generalize too much here).
You told us that 'microtransactions are not coming' but they arrived...you told us 'no in-game items' but hey, we saw them on SiSi. You were lying to us bold-faced. But we figured, 'It is a bug, problem, sure it sounds weird that they can't take a ship in exchange for the thing you are paying for..but okay...we can deal.'
But we read the glossy mag...and knew there was something fundamentally wrong. Not only are we being lied to... but we are also being taken advantage of, treated like sheep and cows.
The player base. Is *very* smart. We had to be to make it past the brick wall you call a learning curve. We're passionate, we love this game. Because we can do things here that we cannot do anywhere.
You guys may not know me. I roleplay in the game. I punish the stupid. NO OTHER GAME OUT THERE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER WHAT I DO GAMEPLAY. But it is perfectly all right in EvE. Not only that, I broadcast the stories. I blog about it. I run it through the forums. I create *content*. The next level. What people get to once they have done missions over and over and over again.
And we read the pamphlet...know it is real...and see you contemplating content that *Breaks The Game*. Thoughts that should have been dismissed out of hand as game breaking. Let's sell ammo and ships and etc..etc...
And we grab the pitchforks...Demanding that you turn the bus around *RIGHT NOW*. Because you are going to break it. And once it is broken, you can't put that back together again.
You have not broken the game yet...the sandbox is pretty well intact.
You *will* break it if you don't watch yourselves.
You have broken our trust...we cannot...*CANNOT* trust you. We've been abused too often in this relationship. I can't trust a single word out of your collective mouths. It has gotten that bad.
I love this game...But I unsubbed the one character I own. Just to let you know that indeed. I am serious...this is not a threat. I am leaving should I not get satisfaction.
And I assume that enough folks have done the same that you realized just how angry we all are. WE ARE FUMING.
So what answer do I want? Just one statement: Set in goddamned stone if you have to 'EvE Online will never sell for real money, performance enhancing items. Including implants, rigs, ships, ammo, rigs or materials (T1, T2 or T3)'
In stone would be nice...planted in the lobby of all CCP's campuses. Just to remind folks that there is a line you do not cross...
Don't screw it up CCP....your move.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Little girls keep diaries that they hide under the pillow hoping noone will read it.
This is a professional gaming corporation.
I've never kept a diary, frankly, because if I have the will to write it, I have the will to share it. I've read other peoples personal diaries that have said some pretty interesting things about me and themselves and I still was able to understand those people, no matter how bizarre.
I don't understand how what was written there can even have crossed someones mind as alright to publish.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Veras Divinia First let me start by saying that the pre Incarna Eve was a great game. And I would venture to say that the vast majority of people responding to this post would agree. People are not THIS vocal about a game that they don't care about.
All that being said, the core issues here really boil down to those of trust and respect. Trust, once breached or broken, is very difficult to regain. Respect must be earned over time - both through words and actions.
Until the last couple of days, CCP had the trust of its players. It had crafted a unique experience in the world of gaming - exemplified by its motto of HTFU. It was a game designed for and played by players who wanted to challenge themselves in the best of ways.
There was also the impression that CCP respected its players - by creating this unique game and by asking us to be part of it and part of the ongoing cycle of developing it.
Both trust and respect have been lost in the last couple of days. The trust the players had in CCP and the sense that CCP respected them.
Internal document, working brief or diary, the Newsletter showed a blatant disregard for the trust and respect on which the Developers and players have relied on. On these forums and in posts CCP promised us that MT would not be used for anything other than vanity items. That Newsletter explicitly says otherwise. Thus is trust breached.
Even more concerning is the lack of respect for players as implied by that Newsletter. The Eve MT article speaks of hooking players on wares like addicts. The article goes so far as to compare the experience of MT to buying other forms of social interaction (eg. buying prostitutes).
Ultimately as Eve players we believed that we were partners with CCP in creating a new universe and experience in the sandbox of New Eden. Today we learned that we are simply commodities to be exploited.
CCP is a business and perhaps this exploitation should not be surprising, but CCP earned a special trust and respect by making its players feel like partners. To find out that was categorically untrue is disheartening at best.
It is unlikely that any response from CCP will satisfy everyone, but whatever response they make must begin to rebuild trust. The best and surest way for CCP to show it's respect is to read and listen to the comments here and understand how horrendously they have erred in their assessment of us.
In an ideal world, CCP would remove MT from the game - for good. That would go a long way to restoring trust and respect. More likely, a simple declaration that only Vanity (eg. non game enhancing) items will be sold would go a little way to rebuilding trust. An real apology and an acknowledgment of how badly CCP treated its player base on this issue would start it back on the road to respect.
HTFU CCP - The player base that has trusted you for years deserves your respect.
HTFU indeed.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:53:00 -
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Why the bloody hell did you switch the side of the WALLET AMOUNT??!?
You realize we read left to right in the western world right?
Arabic and Chinese and Japanese are the only major spoken languages that accept right to left.
The only time you ever see right justified anything is for letters and addresses.
So why are you making us LOOK TO THE RIGHT side of our wallet?
Seriously, for ****S sake who comes up with these ideas?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Originally by: Pherick Sjang I'm actually impressed, CCP. You have achieved what we all thought was impossible: you have unified the EVE playerbase. Against you.
Please do not think that you are speaking for the playerbase. That's about as ignorant as most of the animalistic rage in this thread and I unify with none of the mouth-breathing, foaming-at-the-mouth, pitchfork holders.
Honestly, if you read most of it, very little of it is "Rage".
A lot of quote-copying and straight up down from the heart responses.
I haven't seen many HOIREJW:REJWLKREWJ SCCP SUCKS posts. Feel free to cite the instances, and then compare with the other 66 pages of posts and growing at about a rate of 10 per minute. I'll do another check on average post amount in the morning, but Europe is just waking up to all this.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 16:22:56
4440 posts in 12.5 hours. Average posts per minute is down to 6 posts from 10 posts per minute. Things might actually cooling down? ____________________________________________________
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 16:22:30
Originally by: visableone im upset that there was'nt one person in the whole of ccp who stood up and said
'NO, are you mad? you can't do this to my game, i love to play it and this would totally spoil it, we can't monetize third party apps now after all the community has done, we can't add MT for items in a new release of eve after they already pay a sub which allowed us to design and develop the expansion to begin with, and we certainly can't destory our player run market by adding in MT items that our players can not build for themselves'
was there no one in ccp that was opposed to this?
i cast a vote of no confidence with ccp
my real worry now is that years of delvelopment and money have been push into this,. and even if ccp were to turn around and address these issues, eve is in for some hard times over the comming year or so, to which i hope it recovers, but hope is all i have.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:55:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 -
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CCP Pann, sorry, someone brought th pitchforks, the torches and the mega-ton weaponry out now.
It's all going down in Jita. We tried to hold it back, but now it's obviously clearly gone on for too long.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 19:38:16
Originally by: Ranger 1 I guess you missed the part where they said the answers to the meatier questions would come tomorrow in official statements.
-----> . Tomorrow is almost over.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bklyn 1 Pann,
May I suggest that if you are attempting to salvage this situation, you had better take the keyboard away for Zulu. He's making your job much, much more difficult.
No, we like to know the way our producers really think in their twisted mind-set of comparing $1000 pair of jeans to the "vanity" items of RMT. Especially when the MEDIA wants to sit down and mock them to their face about how absurd and out of touch such a "vanity" item is.
Really, let them keep going, and then wonder why we're angry and asking for blood. Did people get so full of themselves that they think this is alright? Is this what CCP is from every employee? How many CCP employees really think that asking for that much for a GAME ITEM is in any way sensible?
On top of it, pretending to justfiy that the prices are to help develop further clothes for EVE while clearly claiming EVE is the "golden goose" for which development of the other games is contingent on.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:32:00 -
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Literally saying you're ignoring us.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:39:00 -
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We're reaching Titan-Thread capacity here. Will we be past 300 posts by wake up time tomorrow?
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:02:00 -
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Hi Miilla.
I'm with you on this one.
Originally by: Miilla
VERY PREDICTABLE - CCP is, yes, predictable lies, smugness, arrogance etc etc
NOISE - the silence is deafening
STAY THE COURSE - because your own employees need to be told that, because you are out of touch with them too
CHANGE - things are changing, hows the cancellations?
INNOVATION - You invented Microtransactions too?
CHANGE THE WORLD - Yes, some competitor is going to get a bunch of new customers, how many starving people did you personally feed to change their world or did you just change your world?
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eladaris They made THOUSANDS of dollars overnight. They really don't care what the rest of the player base does.
There's really no evidence they made money. Those PLEX to fund the AUR could have been bought with ISK. Those PLEX bought that caused a price in PLEX prices doesn't mean those PLEX will be replaced aggressively if there is a decreased demand because there's less people willing to buy them.
Meaning, that CCP is losing money under the justification that 52 items were bought.
Really?
That's their best justification. 52 were purchased out of 400,000 players?
52 * 12000 AUR = 648,000 AUR.
If they had sold them for 300 AUR ($20/10=$2) they might have sold over 10,000 units = 3,000,000 AUR.
Micro-transactions don't work because they're unjustifiably expensive. They work because people think "EH, it's only $2" and then a before you know it a hundred thousand have been sold.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
So, I guess all this now means I don't get to have my personal statue outside Rens top station?
They'll sell you that for 100 AUR. It's nothing like owning your own monocle.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:52:00 -
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Do you really think they're about to wake up in an hour and have expected this to go away when they log in to work? That we'd just roll over and drop it?
Did they miss the fact that there are many more of us than them?
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:08:00 -
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Exactly.
People talk about "childishness" or "over-reaction".
Where? We know our objective. There's a little known phrase called, "There is no such thing as overkill".
As far as the EVE Community is concerned, this is war.
Originally by: Corrak I don't think the people here or the in-game protestors are acting like children at all, quite the opposite in fact. I've seen more than a few times in Eve where indeed masses of people have acted like children but this isn't one of those times by a long shot. Today has seen a mass of people come together for a common goal. Amazingly very little in-fighting or childishness has taken place. It's great to see all these people who are normally at each others throats working together to save the game they love from imploading due to poor management. They/we are sending a collective message that the childishness at CCP needs to stop if we are to remain here as paying customers.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:12:00 -
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You realize Sony killed Star Wars Galaxies the same way right?
This has been basically called the Next NGE.
Let's send a nice mail to NVidia about it.
Originally by: LionWilby Don't know if anyone has done this yet but ah... Anyone wanna compile links to the forum complaints about this joke of an expansion and send it over to... I duno... maybe the CEO of Sony? This new playstation deal might like to hear about the latest release from CCP! Clearly a release like Dust 514 needs good communication with it's player base and so far CCP doing a "wonderful" job of it ey.
But seriously... Sony might like to know.
Also while your at it send one to XBOX to affirm their decision not to go with CCP.
Just a thought.
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 25/06/2011 05:36:43
The irony here is truly that all these jeans are currently advertised 40%=50% off.
I WONDER WHY?!
Roberto Cavalli $1360 jeans, NOW ON SALE for $820
Really, they're still stupid expensive.
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Oregin $1000 jeans - get laid. $60 virtual monocle - label yourself as an idiot.
Comparable value much??
Can somebody provide a link to these awesome sparkly $1000 Jeans please? I want to see them lol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:37:00 -
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A whole line up of over-priced jeans.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Troy LS Do you think Hilmer is wearing $1000 jeans?
I don't know, but we'll have to demand that he spends the money on the monocles on $1000 jeans and see how he feels about it.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:52:00 -
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The COMMON IMPLANT != $1000 pair of jeans.
The irony here is truly that all these jeans are currently advertised 40%=50% off.
I WONDER WHY?!
Roberto Cavalli $1360 jeans, NOW ON SALE for $820
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 25/06/2011 06:41:56 Someone had a great idea.
Unlike EVE Online on facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/eveonline?ref=ts
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger blah blah monocle
WE'VE FOUND AN IDIOT!
1 down, another 51 to go.
If draketrain weren't a bunch of nitwits to start with, I might actually wonder if they'd act on this.
But it's draketrain, not to mention fail-draketrain that is a shadow of it's own former doucheness.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:34:00 -
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Next Iteration of Avatar System
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:50:00 -
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AMEN!
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
We are your content CCP. You can not sell us to our selves. We have real world central banks for that. You screw us, we screw you.
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 25/06/2011 18:22:32
Originally by: Libria Kyzal PROTEST VLOG (With explanation of wtf is going on ;D)
Please watch <3
Your blog youtube link contains the letter K 3 times in a row and is censored when you click on it.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:25:00 -
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Congratulations! Your Threadnaught has evolved into a TitanThread!
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:44:00 -
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Moving on with EVEville
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: SargentGreenLeaf 1. Eve = free 2. Plex = Free 3. Monacle = Free
EVE = Free?
Man, I didn't realize that, CCP really is having financial issues after running this game for free for 8 years.
Wow.
Who thought.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:25:00 -
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Really, we're up to over 450 pages of comments between the devblog and this page.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:28:00 -
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Sony will kill this game ON REPUTATION.
Just stating that for the record.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Harelip Jenkins :tinfoil hat:
Honestly if think the new non-vanity items will be "contraband".
I think that was the purpose of the Quafe Zero coming out of left field... to test player reaction.
We were promised an update to contraband and i think were about to get it in the form of MT.
I think that this is what they are alluding to as well.
Which is pretty disgusting to me because it will make the player based drug manufacturing a real joy, won't it?
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 27/06/2011 03:35:04 Edited by: Bloodpetal on 27/06/2011 03:33:53
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Valari Nala Zena General thread statistics.
Unique authors 3571 Total posts 11581
You post a lot.
Sweet I made that list too!
Totally in Top Posters.
I don't normally post this much though. Was exactly on 50.
3561 Posters is a significant number.
This issue wouldn't have been as big if they communicated from the start of the matter. They self-prophesized this reaction into existence.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:07:00 -
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The Essence Of It All
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:20:00 -
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The essential problem becomes this.
If we have to pay for non-vanity items and other trinkets... what is our subscription paying for in light of those items existing?
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:03:00 -
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I see Threadageddon is continuing.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 28/06/2011 05:42:15 Threadapocalypse must not end!
CCP's Reaction when seeing the EVE players come out from the Fog (Pirates of the Caribbean)
Parlay?
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:09:00 -
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Skills aren't applying correctly to anything, but it's ok - the NEX store is here to save you.
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Originally by: Ellariona
This interview also confirms that they are steering the game more into a type of barbie/ken 3rd person spacepilot rpgmmo instead of a hardcore spaceship mmo, I mean, cutscenes?? Seriously? It's already bad enough as it is having to whait for a while before station loads...
I get the impression that they want to give you the option to not auto-disembark from Incarna the moment you dock.
So that when you dock and you choose to actually "Walk" we'll get a cutscene for the transition. As long as it's a quick cut-scene, it should be just fine. But, what I'd like to see is getting away from the "Docking=Walking" concept.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Luckytania Unfortunately, pretty sure I've read that Seleene was not able to make this trip. No idea if CCP offered any sort of remote real-time participating, but I doubt it.
Seleene_EVE Seleene @ @Rotosequence No. RL in the way of it. Lots of preparation communications going on tho and I'll be phoned in for some of it.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:47:00 -
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Props to the man who said this on Twitter :
Quote: You know your business is screwed when your customers trust the Goon CEO more than the real CEO. cc @TheMittani #tweetfleet
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