Great, another threadnaught. Congrats CCP

How many subscriptions have been cancelled so far?

Translation: Bad news on Friday... vend rage and anger over the weekend... come back on Monday, everythings fine?

Since this is obviously to MILK us to fund WoD, do you see more future in WoD?

What happens to Eve after WoD is released, will Eve fund lower than expected take up of WoD?

How many lost account's does it take to hurt CCP financialy and put WoD at risk, perhaps even CCP at risk and have to downsize?

Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Hey, I'll be tossing out some answers here as best I can as well, so forgive me for a second as there's a LOT of posts to digest in this particular thread and I'd like to get to as many as possible. I have been, along with MANY others at CCP, reading forums, Twitter, Facebook, blogposts, petitions, etc for some time now, so it's not like much of it will be a surprise, but still each person here deserves eyes on their post so here we go.

I also must emphasize that, as Pann said, we'll have a more "substantive" answer for you tomorrow "from CCP" on many of the things you guys are talking/questioning/legitimately complaining about... so I wanted to make that clear.

There have been a lot of meetings and, as I am sure you can all undertand, these aren't quite the easiest things to unravel, reravel etc.

Silence sucks, it's been too long.

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Is there a future in Eve now?

Or should we just dump eve and wait for WoD?

I cannot wait for the next QEN in 2050, can you tell us how big a success the NEX store has been so far? How many monacles have been bought and does that meet your expectations?

Can we get a REFUND of real money for all the PLEX we hold?

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

Originally by: Panda Name

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 01:47:27

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

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such a simple question, yet it won't be answered until we see gold ammo and ishukone scorpions.

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Do we finaly get to buy those Golden Retrievers?

Will CCP refund all our unused PLEXs?

Is there problems at CCP that requires the need to raise more revenue?

Or as I suspect, is it just out of greed?

What is CCP's plan if the subscriptions level crashes over this?

I really shouldn't have ate that tin of beans.

EVE: The world's largest game UniPantyverse

Eve as a game has reached it's peak on subscriptions, now it is time to reap more from the existing customers?

Is that the gameplan?

Originally by: Kallynda Nai

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Originally by: Miilla

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EVE: The world's largest game UniPantyverse

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Your posts are pretty terrible. You should probably stop.

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Seriously CCP, at the prices of items in the NEX store, I could nip down to NASA and buy some ex Apollo parts or even cheaper from the Russians.

Why would I want a pretend thing?

Has the NEX store exploit been confirmed/fixed yet?

Eve is dying.

I like Ponies.

I say let CCP have their fantasy...

Let em stick mictotransactions everywhere...

Then they can claim a new title...

Eve: The worlds EMPTYEST game universe.

Is it now time for all fansites to remove Eve and CCP keywords from their adverts?

At this rate of mass exodus..


I really can finally win Eve!


Nullsec is all MINE!

So, is this the final solution to the lag problem?

Originally by: lilol' me

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I think I said my bit here

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533855

However I have to ask

1) Why do you never listen to your players
2) Why create the CSM when you never listen
3) Why do you not listen to your own staff
4) Why do you for the past few years bring out increasingly poor expansions
5) Why do you never communicate to you paid players about whats happening in the future, but then we have to read it in a magazine first, do you not think thats a little insulting.
6) What is CCPs vision for eve n the next 5 years?
7) Do you know that you are alienating all your players?

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Originally by: Captain Travaras

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Originally by: Zachstar

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I do hope the blog will help end this crisis. 90 pages shows just how concerned the community is about this issue.

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90 pages and growing

Someone pointed out that the only people who are unhappy are those here posting on the forum, and everyone else is fine with the changes. I bet there are many people playing eve right now who are blissfully unaware of whats happening here and what CCP seem to have in mind for the future.

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Originally by: Morgan Polaris

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Originally by: ISquishWorms

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Their YES or NO means nothing to me any more once a liar always a liar!

If NO we need this in something binding like the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

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Oh, there's ways to it. I'm talking legal action. Introducing MT like they are planning to will invalidate years of meaningful gameplay, thus years of subscription fees. At this point, reasonable conduct just falls on dead silence. Hit them where it hurts.

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Originally by: Riflin' Betty

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Perhaps it's time we formed a union, much like a labour union. So we can collectively strike and pressure when we get screwed over...

-Heli

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Originally by: Sur Jamkar

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Originally by: ovenproofjet

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Quote:

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The developers of this company will always play the games that they build here. Without being fully immersed in the player experience, perspective, and community, it is impossible to build, maintain, and expand online worlds with any degree of competency. And while that does expose us to some degree of risk, the rewards are incalculably higher.

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CCP Hilmar once said this, in the wake of th t20 scandal. Do you still stay true to this CCP?

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They forgot where they came from.

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Originally by: Drunken Wolf

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AUR is fatal for EVE.

It will kill this game.

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How many SP do we get for this?

Originally by: Looshes

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Originally by: Iolar Duv

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tbh the problem to me seems that CQ is just releasing too little too soon.

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Too soon? Only took them 5 years.

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Originally by: Chimaira wolf

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Edited by: Chimaira wolf on 24/06/2011 11:34:37

milla
Go back to rens local.

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TODO:

1) Play Eve
2) Watch CCP's demise - IN PROGRESS
3) Watch real train wreck to compare with item 2)

Originally by: Amberlamps

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Originally by: Isis Soryu

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Originally by: DeBingJos

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Helicity Boson on Twitter:
Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet

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WHAT THE ****

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UNBAN HELICTY

AND

FREE HAT!

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Originally by: Carmine Lady

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According to twitter Helicity has been permabanned, let us take a moment of silence to mourn the loss of a hero.

Creator of the Finest player event in eve know as Hulkageddon this hero inspired so many and extracted many tears from the carebears.

Even though i will be leaving eve too and Helicity was probably going to leave too, if there was ever a chance I would return i would miss this figurehead of fun.

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Originally by: El'Niaga

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So its lunchtime in London and Iceland, so where is this additional response we were told yesterday?

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Is Eve dead yet?

Have they told us the bad news yet?

♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪

Originally by: Theocrates

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Originally by: Miilla

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♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪

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It's a little after noon east coast US time there are 37,716 people playing Eve atm. I think CCP is doing just fine.

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Originally by: Snake Scofield

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Originally by: Miilla

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♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪

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Words cannot express how much I despise you.

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Originally by: Mechael

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Originally by: Amaise

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Pretty obvious P2W has been on their cards for a long time. They wont go back on it one bit. Undoubtedly Sony or the former Citi CFO has a big part in this and not the devs or PR scapegoats. This IS the direction their company is going like it or not. ...

PS i wouldnt count on assurances or answers about MT plans

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:( It's sad because it's probably true.

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Ahhh I get it now, So THIS is WHY they fecked up the Vheriokor appearances...


BLOODLINE changes, 100 PLEX

Remember the GOLDEN RETRIEVERs? They're REAL, they just leaked out.

Remember the backward flying TENGU? 10 PLEX to fix that bug.

Originally by: Maximus Trollus

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and miila is back from whatever she went doing, which means at least three posts per page which can be roughly translated as "me, me, me... MEEEEEE !!! Look at me. Me me me me me, meeeeeeee !!!!"

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Lifecycle of an MMO company...


Zero → Hero → Zero

Originally by: Janus Talmash

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~4500 replies, ~400k views and the normal working day has ended. Someone better be working overtime to get us some official words (that have actual meaning), because if you think you can make us wait till after the weekend you're not very bright.

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The Janitor will be posting the FRIDAY NEWS SPECIAL on his way out, just before turning out the lights for the weekend.

Originally by: egola

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GUYS, you KNOW they're not gonna read 90% of whatevers gonna be said, what they're doing is just tactical diversion to get you to ALL vent in one thread. do what you all were doing and just complain all you want and unless they address all the issues in its ENTIRETY don't bother stopping.

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Originally by: Riflin' Betty

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: egola

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GUYS, you KNOW they're not gonna read 90% of whatevers gonna be said, what they're doing is just tactical diversion to get you to ALL vent in one thread. do what you all were doing and just complain all you want and unless they address all the issues in its ENTIRETY don't bother stopping.

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Who cares, CCP PAY for bandwith :) WE PAY CCP so lets use it :)

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Unbans for 150,000 AUR ?

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Step 1) Break Eve
Step 2) Charge AUR for fixes
Step 3) Wonder where all the customers went

Originally by: ACY GTMI

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40,000+ pilots logged in. No wonder they think they can get away with it.

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Originally by: GaiusAlexander

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Originally by: Haunting Widow

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Would it get their attention if we all stormed Jita? I'm prepared to send 3 accounts there at a moments notice.

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Why Jita? How about attacking the Galantie trade hub ... leave us poor Caldari out of it. We are already ****ed off that our missiles were left out and everybody elses turrets got new eye candy.

Free Caldari Prime!

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I like Incarna, pitty CCP fecked it up and going to feck it up some more.

I like standing in the CQ dock looking in awe at the huge Vargur or Fenrir or Tengu sitting there.

Wonder what the Dust and WoD teams are thinking right now.

WoD team especially must be concerned, I would be, unless their "external funding" will step up more.

I wonder what John Smedley is thinking right now :)


Anybody got his contact email so they can link this threadnaught?

Originally by: Riflin' Betty

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Liang Nuren is now also banned.

I can only assume Akita T is next.


We're out of the fight capsuleers, stay strong.

I salute you all o7


-Helicity

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Originally by: Buzzmong

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CCP Shadow posted this only 12 months ago:



Link for those not logged in: http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg

Oh dear CCP. Oh dear indeed. 12 months.

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Originally by: Tugrath Akers

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Originally by: leth ghost

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lol perpetuum is full of people speaking about leaving eve

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All 19 users?

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Originally by: Tali Ambraelle

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I honestly hope they do ban you all so they can get back to adding to the game. I want to see new CQ's some time soon.

Oh and yes, I AM willing to pay AUR for them :)

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Somebody want to log into Eve to see if its still there?

On a positive note.. I hear lag is improving..

By the time Incarna is finished, we will have Tech20 modules and ships!

The reason the dev blog statement is taking so long is they are all sitting flicking through the THESARUS looking for alternatives for the term "Vanity".

Originally by: saltrock0000

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I am writing this on my main character as i want people to know who has this opinion.

Very quickly scanned a few posts here, and a big grief people have is load on your computer, which im assuming means your all running 386's back from the feking 1990's.... BUY A NEW COMPUTER if your a gamer, and dont ask a buisness who is joining the 20th century with graphics to stay in the dark ages jsut because your a cheap ass! If the game didnt upgrade and start looking better as other games progress they would slowly loose custom and the game would die, you'd jsut have the few cheapasses left who cannot stay up to date with new games!

The price of aurum is high... is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it?! I mean cmon its decorative. GROW UP PEOPLE!

The grief about the captains quaters.... WTF is wrong with it? Its a STEP towards walking in stations. Would you enter a marathon before you could walk?!

Use common sense people

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I don't get it, what are you all complaining about?

ALL GO TO RENS!!!!!

GANKFEST IN RENS!! HURRY

All GO TO RENS SYSTEM!

PROTEST STAGING IN RENS.

Originally by: Zanziba'ar

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I don't see what peoples problem is. Who cares if CCP haven't told us everything They have made an amazing game Get over it.

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Originally by: Sandar Orontur

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One more reaosn for being upset: The way the Mac client has been treated in the Incarna release (actually not only there...). Read the forum yourself to get the details, but in short:

• several bugs in release which were reported weeks before on SiSi means either they were ignored or no one takes SiSi feedback into account


• a silent change in the minimum requirements for this software through adopting shader model 3.0 although Mac drivers for some GFX cards don't support SM3.0 although the card itself does.
  It wasn't communicated before and people were left out in the dark on release day once they out that now they can either buy a new Mac or quit playing Eve


• various problems with patch not working, forced to install full client, etc. and over several hours after opening TQ: no reply from CCP what to do, what works, what not

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Originally by: pushdogg

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been playing since 2006, took an 18 month break and return to this.....im a little disappointed. even though i havent un-subbed yet, i plan too if things arent altered in many respects......especially me being able to get past the customization screen.

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GREAT SCOTT!!! *Monocle pops out*

Start ganking HAULERS in hubs during the Protests

20:29:53 Info Officials have closed the stargates in Amarr due to heavy congestion. Travelers are advised to seek alternate routes.

What are we complaining about again?

Originally by: Worzel Bummage

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Originally by: Miilla

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What are we complaining about again?

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1. CQ Performance
2. The Door

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Originally by: Nemo deBlanc

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This dev blog better say some damn nice things. Because if it doesn't? CCP just ****ed away mountains of loyal players, myself included.

In other news... 200 pages before this dev blog. Over half a million views on this thread, for a game with a bit over 300k active accounts.

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Uhh no? YOU TOTALLY EVADED THE ISSUE.

This says one thing.. CLEARLY

CCP has a plan, they are executing on it, doesn't matter how far customers flex a little. CCP doesn't care, it is their time table and their demise.

No sense in fighting what is already comming, let em screw it up, it's just a game for us, it is a job for them, which is now at greater risk, we have no risk to take. Let em screw themselves.

I see what CCP are doing with EVE: They think EVE is an EXTENSION of REAL LIFE; and thus PRICE ITEMS AT REAL LIFE VALUES.

That's just FECKED UP.

CCP: IT IS A GAME, not REAL LIFE.

Originally by: Chogon Toil

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Originally by: Miilla

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I see what CCP are doing with EVE: They think EVE is an EXTENSION of REAL LIFE; and thus PRICE ITEMS AT REAL LIFE VALUES.

That's just FECKED UP.

CCP: IT IS A GAME, not REAL LIFE.

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They said this at this year's FanFest. They said, very clearly, that EvE isn't a game. They said it's real. Helps you understand their mentality.

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If they think that, they need their heads examined, because we play it for what it is, A GAME.

For them thinking it is REAL LIFE and thus expect items to be real life prices, THEY'RE LIVING IN A FRACKING DREAM WORLD.

Now that CCP's QUACKJOB MENTALITY is showing, I think that is a big concern of the STABILITY of their MANAGEMENT, THey obviously have no idea what a GAME IS if they think it is AN EXTENSION TO REAL LIFE.


They are the laughing stock of the industry now. Quacknutjobs at the helm.

Seriously , CCP , SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP.

You have lost touch with REALITY.

Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858

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Wow...somebody confirm something for me...

Did they just completely ignore the primary concern that is fueling our rage in that Dev Blog? I'm just...wow, I don't even know...I'm in complete disbelief. Seriously, Zulu just chucked Pann and manifest under a huge Icelandic bus in one fell swoop.

Pann/Manifest: Be sure to thank Zulu for making you both look like complete asses that are incapable of sufficiently communicating the concerns of the playerbase to a Dev Team that is completely out of touch.

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Originally by: Adrie Atticus

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Originally by: Miilla

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I call a vote of "NO CONFIDENCE".

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Sorry, you don't own enough stocks.

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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image

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Originally by: niceandblue

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are you going to be putting non-vanity items (skillpoints / ammo) available for AUR????

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Originally by: Misanth

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Originally by: Maro Hakaari

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I can only hope that there is currently a war inside CCP, and that the good guys are winning.

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I will bump this comment.


Slade

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Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858

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CCP has finally managed to galvanize and united the playerbase. Not with Fanfest, not with the alliance tournament, and not with amazing innovation in their game...but around the bonfire of it.

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Originally by: tmasher

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Originally by: Shival Tornet

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It's probably worth pointing out that forums are terrible places to register your dissatisfaction with a company. Social media channels can work better due to their greater visibility to the public.

Twitter û http://twitter.com/#!/ccpgames
FaceBook û http://www.facebook.com/eveonline

According to Wikipedia CCP's main investors are General Catalyst, and Novator (unable to confirm that last one)

Both of those websites have contact details and the thought occurs that some rational correspondence with these organisations concerning these events, your thoughts regarding their handling, and the potential consequences that this might have for their investment, might be effective in bringing these issues to the attention of CCP when evidently they aren't making the transition from the forums.

I would like to point out that abusive communication with anyone's staff CCP or otherwise, is not only a disgusting way to treating people who are mostly just trying to do their jobs, but it seriously damages the chances of our arguments being taken seriously outside this of community.

I don't think anyone should be fired for contributing to an internal planning exercise, I don't even have a major problem that it existed, but I am deeply concerned by the massive disconnect that seems to be occurring between this games developers and it's customers.

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Thanks for this, great idea.

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Originally by: leth ghost

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Originally by: penifSMASH

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look at this nerdvention. what are you angry nerds even angry about?? stupid monocles that no one is forcing you to buy? QQ more nublets

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GOOD TROLL

or are you just un informed or too dumb to realise

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Originally by: Sekhmet Neteret

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Please read the chief complaints before mentioning them in a post, it is not the price of clothing that is the real problem, it is the chance that SP and Standings may be sold, as well as other "useful" items.

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Originally by: Killajoules

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Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor

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Let's abandon the rage and anti-rage and sit down again. We can still save EVE.

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We can't save eve, we don't have access to the right buttons. CCP can save eve, but the question is do they want to?

on a lul topic, I never thought I'd see a EVE wide failscade... *lighthearted* :P

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Originally by: Carli Zandrya

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From the leaked document:

Quote:

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On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so.

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MMO's make money by 1) monthly sub's, or 2) in game sales (micro-transactions). It's 'highly controversial' when a company tries to do BOTH.

The article snip above says CCP intends to do just that. If we have to spend more real-life money in addition to a sub just to stay competitive, it will ultimately lead to a mass player exodus and the end of this game, all due to excessive greed.

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Originally by: Android Mindslave

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Calling it now, the entire Tech4 production chain is going to be an online shopping cart with a text box to enter your credit card details into.

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Originally by: Reza Temiz

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I still don't understand his jeans analogy.

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Eve: The worlds EMPTYEST game PANTYVERSE

New Patch: Jeans 1.0



To understand the anology, you have to understand their DISTURBED mindset.

Eve is not a game. Eve is an EXTENSION of REAL LIFE. REALITY.

So, because it extends real life, you get to pay REAL LIFE PRICES for ehm, VIRTUAL EXTENDED REAL LIFE ITEMS.

Basically, they are living in a dream world, lost touch with reality that it is in fact, just a game.

This shows how clearly DISTURBED their thinking is.

They need to SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP to reintegrate themselves into REALITY.

Originally by: SSN 609

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The worst thing about this is we are being self-defeatist by posting on reviews not to buy the game. We are killing eve to make chance? That doesn't work, and will never get people to change their minds.

However, I do think that rectify this whole situation with a clear concise acknowledgement and that you listen to the player base was the drawing force of many people that decided to play this game in the first place. Changing that, will change EVE, and will lose you a lot of subscribers.

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Originally by: Heknai

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Originally by: Darius Sun

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3 accounts canceled, 6 year player leaving. This crap was the final straw.

That $40 USD/month will buy me a lot of glory in world of tanks.

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Have fun playing wow then, eve is still the best MMORPG out there imho, incarna or no. Stop running with the mob of idiots and give CCP time to straighten things out...or not.

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Originally by: Velicitia

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Originally by: leth ghost

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eve radio very interesting atm

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QFT, tune in if you're not listening yet.

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Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger

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Add another one to the list. They have made too many bad decisions the past few days especially.



Maybe I will come back if they somehow "fix" all this mess.

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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau

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Originally by: DoaKillmore

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Well not sure about the rest of you think I'm going to call into my visa client and demand restration on all 4 accounts for the past year, since visa insures my purchases it is without a doubt that this one is broken wonder what ccp would do if others followed suit???

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This
Having customers unsub might make a difference, but having those customers chargeback a year of subs should make them stand up and take notice.

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Great Scott!! *Monacle pops out*

CCP operates the "Frank Sinatra" businness model


"I'll do it MY WAYYYYYYY".. ♫♪♫♪

Originally by: Salt Ravins

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I'm going to go with Helicity's and Mittani's view that if you said "ammo and ships and faction will never ever be on the NeX" 95% of the controversy would be over and done with.

Also, I would be utterly astonished if that devblog-PR-nightmare-from hell wasn't written with a good does of insomnia and alcohol.

TBQH, fanfest is going to be incredibly awkward next year.

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Originally by: Chidori kun

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One thing is for sure attack people personally is totally wrong.

our noses should be pointing at CCP in general

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Originally by: Kewso

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I bought 6 plexes today, and plex trading on forums have been insane all day so cancellations aren't gonna hurt with the massive amounts of plexes trading last 2 days so far on forum and in game.

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Originally by: Luke S

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CAN I PLEASE! have a skip to dev post button!? I'm not going to look through 200 pages of whining to see the devs' answers.

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So, who is looking forward to the next 750mb patch?

Originally by: NOTRED DONTSHOOT

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I hope CCP has realized that the only reason that a good bit of the player base is going mad is the fear of the unknown. A ****storm is the result of fear of losing something we love.

End it CCP. Don't tell us all of your plans, just answer the question: Was this memo a massive troll of your player base or are you really planning releasing MT for ammo, modules and ships?

A stable player base is what is needed and I hope that I don't have to join the masses in exodus.

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The reason why CCP are not ANSWERING your questions now, and responded the way they did, by ignoring the issue is...

THEY ARE STILL EXECUTING ON THEIR TIME TABLE... their time table does not have disclosure on these issues at this time.

That is how CLOSED CCP management is, they do it their way, nothing interrupts their schedule, that was committed to.

THE MT EXECUTION TIMETABLE IS STILL IN EFFECT.

He is laughing at you all complaining.


BUT!!! HE IS CHANGING THE WORLD!!! (how many starving people has he fed?)

Why are you all shocked? Welcome to greedy corporations. NO supprises here.

Originally by: Da Gooch

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 25/06/2011 02:36:47

Why are you all shocked? Welcome to greedy corporations. NO supprises here.

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**** off troll

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Originally by: Indy Rider

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Originally by: Miilla

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52 monocles * 70 bucks = 3640 BUCKS.

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More important than the voices of thousands more.

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The more money you give this arshat the more arrogant and smug he will get.

I find it amusing that the CSM , ONLY NOW JUST FIGURED OUT, they're useless lol

Originally by: Snake Scofield

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Quote:

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Its the truth, Ive seen many of corporate emails just like this.

We care for the product, they care for the money.

Two very different perspectives.

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So does this mean you won't be resubbing after your 110 days of trolling?

Thank god.

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Originally by: Solver Bear

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Originally by: Kadari Amilupar

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I just hope it all gets fixed. :(

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Me too :(

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Originally by: Fi1ippo

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CCP upper management...you bunch of egotistical, selfish ****tards...get a grip and realize what will happen to your company, to your JOBS, if you continue with this. Just sit back and use what little brain power you have that isnt clouded by green backs.

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I think they know what theyre doing, they just made a revenue boost of 3640 bucks! (52 monocles * 70)

Originally by: khac

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I guess we now know why Iceland went broke literarly overnight. People like Hillmar is in charge.

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: Smeedly

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Unsubed until CCP makes it clear there will be no pay-to-win items.

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Hilmar (CEO CCPGames) just confirmed there will be and that his staff are to ignore you.

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Eve is now just a big revolving door with a guy standing at the inside with a bat hitting suckers on the head stealing their money as they come in, then they go out.. Repeat, wrinse... laughter...

Originally by: leth ghost

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: Smeedly

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Unsubed until CCP makes it clear there will be no pay-to-win items.

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Hilmar (CEO CCPGames) just confirmed there will be and that his staff are to ignore you.

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yup that about sums up everything in the last 2 days ****storm very well

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Originally by: Eladaris

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Originally by: NGTM1R

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Edited by: NGTM1R on 25/06/2011 03:21:09
This is fascinating to watch. It's the death of the company, in detail.

And it all breaks down so simply. They drew a line in the sand; then they openly discussed crossing it. They decided to hop on a bandwagon, but they didn't look around to check how high it was or what shape it was.

It goes beyond communication. It's fundamental perception of reality stuff. CCP doesn't ask us because they know the way they have chosen to pretend to believe things are isn't real. They aren't addressing the fact they've lied to us, directly, because to do so would mean admitting their perception of reality is incorrect.

It has become a standby that they no longer understand their game, a tired, almost hackneyed, statement. But never would I have thought it so blatantly demonstrated.

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And assuming that leaked email is not faked (and let's be honest, it explains SOOO much if it's true) it really points to a total disconnect between CCP's corporate level and her player base. It also points to a total and absolute lack of respect towards her player base.

No one says You may quit, but you'll come back if they were actually worried Eve's player's could break the addiction cycle.

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Eve is now just a big revolving door with a guy standing at the inside with a bat hitting suckers on the head stealing their money as they come in, then they go out.. Repeat, wrinse... laughter...

Looking forward to the next 750mb patch then? *g*

Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos

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I actually lol'd at Hilmar's attitude. He seems to think he sells an essential service where people don't have a choice. The market is flooded with options and more are on the way at an even greater accelerated rate than ever before.

Oh well I was looking to make a permanent home in EvE Online, but I can't support a company with this sort of attitude. All I can say is 'Next'.

For those who enjoyed DAOC check out www.primeonline.com (sci-fi DAOC ftw) a 3 faction PvP game where map control for your chosen faction affects the actual gameworld. Will be out later on this year.

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Originally by: Barbara Nichole

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Thanks for being brave enough to step up.

Yes, mostly you have it right however the primary mood is fear. Fear that micro-tranactions having an impact on the game other than vanity are in the works.

Many don't want to see the game take that direction and fear it will ultimately ruin the game.

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The problem isn't the game anymore.

It is their smug, deceptive, arrogant, dismissive attitude.



He actually acts and thinks like HE INVENTED MICROTRANSACTIONS. (and changing / saving the world)

That is how WACKO he is

Originally by: Shade Millith

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Oh look, more stupid that CCP has thrown onto the fire.

That email turns out to be true, that's my alt account (At the very least) gone

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So how much SP do we get for this?

CCP, when you drop, YOUR STUFFZ, CAN I HAS?

Originally by: Nilania Telshua

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Maybe its time for a refreshment course ?

http://www.instituteforpr.org/topics/crisis-management-and-communications/

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Originally by: Chomskian

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there is no game like eve and CCP should be proud of that. and they have done many things to bring the community closer than any other company.

i sincerely hope that the devs of the game that has entertained me so much for the past 3 years do not step on the faith that they themselves have helped generate in the players' hearts.

there is always the profit motive, but we expect limits on the money grabbing hand.

please, please do not put in any MT items that directly effect gameplay. I dont know what game i'll end up playing.

Chomskian

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I wonder how many fansites are being torn down at this time? Removing all those CCP/EVE GOOGLE PAGE RANKS and Adwords

Originally by: Hithalu

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Edited by: Hithalu on 25/06/2011 04:11:34
Hah! I quoted the now famous yellow text asking whether or not AUR items were moving beyond vanity, and my post was deleted. I have been pretty silent thus far, but that, coupled with all of the other issues that are being flat out ignored and brushed aside...

My three accounts will not be renewed. Add them to the hundreds before me, and count on hundreds more. You people are a god damn joke.

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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab

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Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Its like the leaders of of CCP are on the titanic and saw the iceberg coming and just decided to crash into it anyway.

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They predicted some damage and are convinced it won't be that bad >.>

I just hope enough people unsubscribe to hurt them. I don't care anymore, I just want CCP to collapse.

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No seriously... If the Titanic had crashed straight into the iceberg it would have stayed afloat.

Instead the idiot of a first officer tried to avoid the collision completely to save face and job, ending up gashing up the whole side of the ship dooming it to a watery grave.

A very apt similitude to what CCP has done the past months.

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Originally by: Ris Dnalor

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Originally by: Miilla

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The reason why CCP are not ANSWERING your questions now, and responded the way they did, by ignoring the issue is...

THEY ARE STILL EXECUTING ON THEIR TIME TABLE... their time table does not have disclosure on these issues at this time.

That is how CLOSED CCP management is, they do it their way, nothing interrupts their schedule, that was committed to.

THE MT EXECUTION TIMETABLE IS STILL IN EFFECT.

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looks like you're correct. I hope you're wrong. :(

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Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos

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To all those that are threatening to cancel their sub 'IF' CCP add non-vanity items to the MT store. I think it is pretty clear that CCP 'DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR THREATS' they only care if you actually cancel your subscription.
They assume that by not cancelling you are so dependant on the game that you will whine and moan but at the end of the day you wont leave.

Do you want to make them rethink their whole MT strategy? then cancel because to CCP anything less is complete drivel.

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Originally by: Alexis Sachs

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Originally by: Oregin

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I bet the guy who manages the www.perpetuum-online.com server is currently having a heart attack.

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Yep. This downloader thing crashed on me once already. And juuuuuuuuuusssssttt a tick on the slow side.

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Great start, your not even into the damn NEW MMO you picked and your whining about the bloody autodownloader and the lag already.. I wonder how that will end?

Perhaps we should suggest we want CUSTOM MECH PAINT JOBS there too?

So, I guess all this now means I don't get to have my personal statue outside Rens top station?

Great Scott!!! *Monocle pops out*

Whats all this about then?

Originally by: Zachary Dellinger

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Originally by: Alexis Sachs

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Originally by: Zachary Dellinger

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Join one of the empire chatrooms. -nods-

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Will do once this thing gets done... I feel like it's '95 and I'm rocking my 56k modem!

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Feel free to PM me in game if you need any assistance learning the interface. o7

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The reason why CCP are not ANSWERING your questions now, and responded the way they did, by ignoring the issue is...

THEY ARE STILL EXECUTING ON THEIR TIME TABLE... their time table does not have disclosure on these issues at this time.

That is how CLOSED CCP management is, they do it their way, nothing interrupts their schedule, that was committed to.

THE MT EXECUTION TIMETABLE IS STILL IN EFFECT.

Originally by: Neo160

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Originally by: Wakeland

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After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.

After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.

After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.

After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.

Literally nothing else needs to be said. We are wallets to CCP.

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that equates to about $4000.

seriously CCP, was this really worth the PR nightmare you have created? $4000 is chump change pennies to you guys, and you seriously think this was worth it?

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Originally by: BeanBagKing

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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However, I feel like none of the concerns of the community have been addressed. Worse, I feel like these concerns are being swept under the rug, and even treated with outright contempt.

That was not on purpose and I sincerely apologize for that. We've asked you guys to digest a lot of very quick changes and did a suboptimal job at walking beside you during the past month. Dev blogs and test servers and AT interviews and such didn't quite cut it for everything. There is NO contempt against our players.I've witnessed some extreme amounts of exhibited patience for the nastiest of the nasties who have threatened lives, engaged in character assassination and such--and that's because we as developers realize there are a lot of hurt/angry people out there.

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Originally by: CCP Hilmar

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I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.

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