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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.
If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
No, the chief complaint is regarding your internal dialogue, related to the document that is now quite widespread.
Captain's quarters is not something we are "unhappy" about, and you again misplace that position. Some players actually do like the potentials with such features, even tho I and I daresay a majority don't. We're rather quite ****ed off that this useless feature only came with a MT-addon, and nothing to really add to the game, which is quite a mockery.
You got the point right about the costs. The performance issues you have already posted a stickky quite a while ago, and thus it's the only thing CCP have addressed in a good fashion so far.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:19:00 -
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This threadnought is the first time I been proud of the majority of the EVE playerbase. And more disturbing, this time I actually care. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi Edited by: Raivi on 24/06/2011 01:15:50 Pann, thanks for the post.
However I do not think that lowering the pitchforks for a few days will do any good for anyone. It would be too easy for even the most committed CCPers to give into the temptation to bury this and give a token response if the anger dies down. It's human nature and at this point I think the only way to hold CCP to account as a company is to keep pushing.
I love Soundwave to death as a person, but we need to hear from him about how his position on the non-vanity microtransactions issue will effect the company, especially how he reconciles it with the commitments made to the CSMs that microtransactions would be limited to vanity items. We need to hear from people like Torfi and Noah and Hilmar about what their visions for eve are, in light of the newsletter.
We also need to see concrete results, which could be as simple as unbanning Helicity from the forums, or even better some movement towards addressing the concerns that (mostly non-overlapping) groups of players have about the NEX store prices and the unsatisfactory door background replacing the ship hanger.
I think that CCP is a company made up of excellent individuals (and Sreegs) who are passionate about the game, but that when you put them in a big group they can make some very harmful decisions unless the players hold them to account.
Address the root of the "Greed is good" concerns and we'll give you time to deal with the rest.
That's a start. But it has to be followed up with addressing what CCP is aiming towards for the future. CQ, MT and whatever implementations that has been recently discussed, all seems to be related to.. what? :spaceships: is gone, this game is currently dead (not exaggerating, that's a fact, there's no new development on :spaceships: and there's no iterations being done, just MT and Barbie in space).
TL;DR what I'm saying is, you are hitting the nail on the head Raivi, but you miss out the part that has been mentioned by Jade, and quoted by so many people (including CSM members, if that matters). Has CCP given up on EVE? It sure seems so. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Also, hell yeah, let's keep quoting Jade's one good post this year!!
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Well I can honestly say there has never been a patch so bad for actual game content as Incarna.
I've played since beta and wish to have the option to look at my dated old style ship hangar instead of this CQ crap I have no interest in. I multibox 4+ accounts nearly every time I play but if CQ is made mandatory I can see it killing my pc very fast.
At the end of the day I didn't play EvE so I can play spacedolls in station, I started playing because it held a promise of being a MMO version of Elite.
tl;dr The only time I want to see a human body is when its floating as a cold corpse in space.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: TZeer Whats next?
AUR for:
- Access to tournament reward ships? - Skillpoints? - Special Implants? - Stat changing packages for ships, a little more speed, little more armor.? - Buying yourself out of security hits? - Exclusive insurances that will return you lost items if killed?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Bliss Firstly, stop thinking this is a small issue associated with Aurum, MT, Captains Quarters and such. While each of those topics is indeed an issue to be debated in their own right, the broader issue is much larger and dwarfs these entirely.
As a long term paying customer, I have seen virtually no progress towards addressing key broken mechanics and unfinshed expansions over the past 2 years! Instead we continue to pay for low value, peripheral expansions that do nothing significant to enhance the game, and only adds more clutter and unfinished content.
All of these concerns were raised by the playerbase in the 18 months thread fiasco if not before then in many cases. Recently you've announced you are just starting to look at 0.0 and other gameplay aspects. So if we look at this as an example, and with your delivery record, I would be surprised to see any meaningful expansion to Eve within the next 1.5 years that goes anywhere near addressing player expectations.
In total, this represents an almost 4 year gap between you listening to and responding to your customers comments and feedback. 4 YEARS!
FOUR YEARS!
It's clear that your focus is on bringing in new players, but without fixing the core mechanics which keeps players here long term, you're just treading water. The vision and creativity which we saw and belived in years ago has long since faded and died. Today even the smallest of fixes is met with cheer given how low everyones expecations have settled (this alone should make you very concerned).
As an example, you could fix the Technetium issue over a single weekend if you actually got off your ass instead of ****ing about discussing how to finance other titles and spending years working on this Incarna disgrace. Get your ****ing priorities straight.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: DeBingJos Helicity Boson on Twitter: Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet
Watch it guys, don't ever post "DIAF" or something similar on forums, for your own safety. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I started playing Eve in the Summer of 2003, and I remember Pann from those days.
I remember something else as well.
Back then, Eve was a game of wits and skill. In order to succeed, you had to think. You had to plan. You had to persuade. And you had to work hard. The successful players acheived their success because they were good at the game.
Eve was a beautiful game back then.
But over the last few years, things have changed. RMT trading has been more blatant. People can legitimately buy ISK with PLEX. Eve isn't just about how good you are. It's now also about how much RL cash you're prepared to throw at a problem.
Before, when you lost a ship, you had to work out how you were going to replace it. Now, there are people out there who just buy a PLEX, trade it for ISK, and Bob's their proverbial uncle.
But of course, that's not mandatory.
But if CCP go ahead and start to allow people to spend RL cash for special ammo, or standings changes or fancy ships, then for me that's a game changer. It will mean that there are two sort of person playing the game - those who can afford to buy success, and the unsuccessful.
And as for buying standings - whatever happened to idea of actions having consequences?
One more thing.
Does anyone remember this?
Most of us figured it was an April Fools' Day joke. But CCP seem to be treating it as a roadmap.
I guess the joke's on us.
Nice find. Had completely forgot about that.
I remember you and your cohorts in PIE since ages ago. How things have changed since I first met you guys.. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dograzor
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: DeBingJos Helicity Boson on Twitter: Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet
What did she get perma-banned for?
Read her twitter. http://twitter.com/#!/HelicityBoson
She was speaking out against the MT, and helped making the MT article available. CCP banned her straight after, and now is confirmed to be permabanned. You can find the whole story linked on her twitter.
We all know Kugu got banned after leaking the t20 info. CCP doesn't like players knowing what's going on internally, so if you sit on info you better shut up or you will get shut up. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Travaras
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Onyx Blackman
Look, free advertisement for our corp!
good man, ive been posting this image a few times as well
Thanks! I did see some other versions of it as well.
Perhaps we should open up recruitment.. if I decide this marks my death of EVE (eight of my acc's has been cancelled right now, some 15+ is already out, whatever it is), then I might just invite anyone and everyone and become a forum force.. or troll camp. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: mobius nm
Originally by: Kez Aumer
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Istyn ... death threats ...
Are people really doing that? That's a bit far to go. We can hate his "public face", but the person behind that is off limits IMO.
Very. Some people seem to have problems seeing the difference between 'not going to play your shit' and 'I want to punch you with a knife!!!'
CCP Soundwave blows. On the other hand I think I'd still buy Kristoffer a beer if I ever met him. Then we can share anecdotes about that time he destroyed eve fan trust .
I'd buy him a beer. Then I'd take it away, and charge him $80 to use the glass it's in.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal I feel sad that this has happened - and sad that I need to write this post (not just because it'll probably get buried under 9000 other posts). However, I hope this will be read because I am trying to make a reasonable argument here - not a raging flame post.
As a recurring member of the CSM, whose duty it is to represent the players (something I took very seriously), I went to CCP to discuss the issue of microtransactions. In fact, this topic was discussed several times on CSM summits (both in October and in December). We were assured that microtransactions would be vanity items only.
I was told, to my face, that CCP would not sell anything in their virtual goods store that would not be a vanity item (vanity items being useless fluff, not giving any benefits). Now I read in your newsletter that one of your main game designers is openly argueing to break this promise. I take that as a personal insult and a clear sign of disrespect towards the Eve community as a whole. Shame on you for even considering to break your word!
I'm still subscribed, the but moment CCP will offer anything other than vanity items for PLEX/AURUM/etc is the moment I will cancel my accounts. In going for the 'hobbyist gamer' (casual gamers, even though eve isn't that casual gamer friendly), you seem to have forgotten a large part of your player base. The part that has shaped Eve over the years: the hardcore gamers. We don't come here as a hobby to experience an ultimate sci-fi simulator. We pay a subscription for an all-access pass to this crazy dystopian universe, where what you do, what you become and what you achieve comes down only to your skills, dedication and your effort. And because of that, our actions are meaningful.
By extending the virtual goods sales beyond vanity items you directly attack one of the things that seperates Eve from all the other MMOs out there: that actions are meaningful. If I can just buy faction standing, what meaning is there in doing missions for faction standings? What meaning is there in finally achieving 6.0 standing (for POSs) or 9.0 standing (for COSMOS missions)? And from what I read, that's not even the end of it!
Some people might enjoy spending more money 'on their hobby' like it was golf (an analogy that is inherently flawed, which I'll explain below), but due to the dystopian, merciless nature of Eve you've bred a community that exists for a large part out of hardcore players. People who see Eve as a serious business proving ground - not as a lighthearted diversion. These are the people who have allowed you to get to where you are today. These are the people who stuck by you over the past 8 years - even if they do call themselves "bittervets". To turn your back on those people is at best poor form, and at worst commercial suicide. Because Star Wars Galaxies has shown you can't just trade in one group of customers for another.
Why golf is not the same as eve Specifically, buying golfclubs isn't the same as buying items in Eve. The equivalent would be if you could pay $100 to get one swing/strike/whatever it's called removed from your record. Instead of making a hole in 5, you could pay $400 and get it listed as a hole in one! Suddenly, your golf stats won't depend on how good you are, but simply on how much money you're willing to spend. Try to suggest that to golfers and see how they like it.
In Eve, just flying a spaceship isn't all there is to the gameplay. The effort to GET that spaceship is part of the game. The fact that it isn't easy to obtain certain things, achieve certain things or do certain things is exactly what makes these things meaningful. Meaningful to me AND to others, who can see what I have achieved. And now some game designer would like to take that away? Bad move CCP.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: northwesten EVE-O is like Greece!!!! massive protest and riots :)
now take the analogy further..
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Misanth We all know Kugu got banned after leaking the t20 info. CCP doesn't like players knowing what's going on internally, so if you sit on info you better shut up or you will get shut up.
Is it just me or did the "Free Helicity Boson" thread just get nuked? It was there, then refreshed, then gone? Did someone rename it or was it move??
I've no clue, just finishing the last few pages on this thread before I can do read anything else tbh..
But that Kugu and t20 part remidns me. Remember what we got out of it? CSM. To give "transparency", to prevent future mistakes of that kind. Here we are, having another t20, and CSM was lied to in the face (read Dierdra Vaal's post), or simply not informed (so far in this thread alone, I seen Seleene and Trebor post the very least).
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Kamikaze Jihawty
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Kamikaze Jihawty death by fire is too fast of a death for soundwave?
A threat???
An insult, sure. An opinion, sure.
A threat??? Whatever CCP are butthurt, and when butthurt, they ban people, using words like 'threat' and 'hack'
It is a threat, and you are just lying to yourself if you want to deny that.
"Die in a Fire"
"I will burn you in a fire"
one is a wish the other is a threat - see the difference?
I guess they need a happy smiley to see the joke in it.. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Della Monk
Originally by: Waukesha
Also in that leaked PDF iirc a guy said only a small percentage of the players wanted more than 50 fitting saves. That is ****ing ******ed.
It boggles my mind every time I see that part. You used to be able to store as many fittings as you wanted locally, and they took that away so they could charge you for it
And they argued they took it away to "increase performance". I guess that was the increased performance of their wallet. (so yes, they lied to us, just like they lied to the CSM) -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cherry Bones
Originally by: Des Aray Jesus christ some people just take this game WAY too seriously. Go outside and breath some fresh air, play with your kids ... do something.
Hey CCP_Pann, nice try.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alexingeras
Originally by: Maisonian EVE IS DYING!
And CCP is digging it's grave in CQ.
Grave Quarters AMIRITE?
It's basicly like a crypt, where we can rot away watching TV being alone.. like, in our moms basement, being fat and pale and nerdy and goonswarmy. Now it all makes sense that Soundwave likes this concept! -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Yvenn
Originally by: Amber Villaneous Before my subs expire I'm going to liquidate all my assets and by PLEX, should be somewhere around 300 of them. Then I'm going to give them all to corpmates that I know will never buy a monocle.
How's your PLEX sink doing now ****tards.
Can we be corpmates ?
That made me LOL. You're in my address book, you get one when the time comes.
+rep to you both
Not sure I could stomach getting rid of all the junk I collected for soon a decade myself, but all those years CCP has profited from me (rightfully so). If I leave, I'll make sure they don't (equally rightfully so). -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: I'thari Edited by: I''thari on 24/06/2011 13:29:48
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Alexingeras
Originally by: Maisonian EVE IS DYING!
And CCP is digging it's grave in CQ.
Grave Quarters AMIRITE?
It's basicly like a crypt, where we can rot away watching TV being alone.. like, in our moms basement, being fat and pale and nerdy and goonswarmy. Now it all makes sense that Soundwave likes this concept!
Crypt Quareters?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Want to share, Meissa Annunthiel, CSM member for the last 3 CSMs, has made a good post at his blog:
Meissa Anunthiel's ramblings: The recent CCP ****-ups
This whole issue has been ****ed up in so many ways that it's not hard to figure that CCP plain lost control of the situation.
Proud I sent all my votes bar one to that man.
And since it is a nice link, I'll fix it for you. Here, have a cookie Meissa. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: TZeer Whats worrying is CCP's lack of response.
Devblog posted 2010.11.22
Quote: Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Thats what they said in 6 months ago.
Now when they are asked about their stance in items that actually can give you an advantage, they are not giving us an up right answer.
So we got the devblog eventually, and it did not respond to this particular issue. I guess player-made items are a thing of the past, we might as well go to WoW in space now.
I heard Blizzard went from 12 to 10 million subs, while other MMO's outright died, so ****ing off loyal customers seems the bright thing to do right now. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maro Hakaari I can only hope that there is currently a war inside CCP, and that the good guys are winning.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Zey Nadar Now about microtransactions, I am not against them per se. Champions online taught me that they are fine when done right.
Champions Online is a fundamentally different game in that it's essentially PvE and co-operative.
Eve on the other hand is at its heart a competitive PvP game.
..where players produce ingame items. People for some reason compare EVE production to other games "professions". Not very accurate, especially since in many games those items are indestructible. Whole economy in EVE relies on production. Magically conjuring up MT-items out of nothing really breaks the whole game, no matter on what scale it is.
That has been mentioned several times in here, but people keep forgetting and/or not understanding, so it has to be repeated. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 -
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Right now I'm feeling that CCP should just take their hands off EVE completely. Keep the servers up, charge a minimum fee per month, and let it run the way it is. Screw iterations, screw bug fixes, the game actually works today. But anything CCP plans to actually do to the game is worse than not doing anything at all.
If you/CCP needs to get money, just fire all staff and keep the servers up while you're starting it all over. You're clearly desperate enough to take stupid risks atm, just give up, start over.
EVE will live in the state it currently is. But it will die when you start non-vanity items for AUR. It's that simple. -
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: SerialTurd
Originally by: State Adler CCP is doomed. EVE was something very special in the sea of WoW clones, but the market is changing and CCP isn't successfully adapting. CCP seem desperate to find other ways of increasing revenue, which seems to suggest that either they're not doing so well financially, or that the people in charge are blindly trying to get on the MT bandwagon. The sad thing is that they don't seem to realise that the EVE community is not your typical MMO community.
+1 This. I had that exact same thought. Either they are in financial trouble or they are just doing dumb stupid crap because everyone else is doing it. Since when has CCP started doing what everyone else is. Last I looked, EVE was the only game that did things differently and that's what made it awesome.
It's quite interesting, and scary, if you elaborate on it. Other people have mentioned parts of this before, so let's sum it up:
* CCP develops EVE, WoD and Dust. * CCP has income from EVE alone. * CCP contacts investors for WoD and Dust. * Investors demand results, CCP need money. - step one is to reduce cost to produce EVE, so they add Incarna (WoD development material) and outsource resources - step two is to make more money out of EVE
Now, painted in the corner, CCP desperately need this money. Now. They have no choice but to MT, and no matter how angry we are, CCP will have to take drastic decisions. Like adding +6 implants and/or ammo/ships etc.
At the end of the day, EVE will die either way. CCP is just trying to save their future products, and resources to build EVE has been long outsourced, so this game is technicly already given up. Our consolation (and good news?) is that the game actually works, and could run with minimum resources, like how Blizzard kept Diablo 2 up. The bad news is that when/if the AUR for non-vanity items is implemented, the game is forever toast.
The only way CCP could salvage this, is by cutting down expenses on production and drop the excessive MT ideas. That'll drop EVE production to a minimum, and focus completely on Dust and WoD until it produces revenue. Maybe CCP will have to fire staff too.
But if above asumptions are at least remotely correct, then the only hope we have, is that CCP will actually drop all production of EVE (it's almost there anyway), and/or fire staff. Else this game will die. Our biggest hope is that CCP don't want to be known as the company that treated their customers this way. They already got a bad reputation (t20/Kugu, and now this), but they can still salvage the situation by coming clear and not **** this game up completely.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 24/06/2011 15:57:53
Originally by: Jonny Foreigner Am loving the Hypocrisy of:
"I'm protesting in game advantage for money by cancelling my multiple account"
You do realise that multiple accounts is an in game advantage that you pay for?
Hypocrisy? Are you really that blind? Here, let me explain it for you:
- Blueprints are seeded on the market for ISK. You need a POS and fuel to research it. You need to mine materials to build it. Then you have a product ready for invention or ready to be used in LP store's blueprints as a base item for production of the faction mods.
Parties involved: - Blueprint researchers - Manufacturers - Planetary Interaction (POS modules and fuel) - Ice miners (POS fuels) - Highsec ore miners (low-end T1 materials) - 0.0/Wormhole miners (high-end T1 materials + Morphite) - Mission runners (LP store for faction mods) - Inventors
Now fast forward to MT system:
- Blueprints for things that have alternatives in the existing production lines are seeded on NEX for cash. * Blueprint researchers get screwed (not profitable to research) >>> Planetary Interaction get screwed (BP researchers don't consume POS modules and fuel)... hell even DUST get screwed even before it goes live (no initiative to set up or fight for a useless PI colony) >>> Ice miners get screwed (ice fuel lost a POS market) >>> Inventors get screwed and datacore market collapses >>> exploration get screwed (data interfaces are made from COSMOS/exploration materials)
Depending on the quality and performance of the MT item: Mission runners get screwed (LP store item prices failscade)
If you seed a whole module/ship in the store you'll kill ore miners and manufacturers and collapse the whole economy too.
It's not about what you can get for cash or with multiple accounts... it's about destroying every single industrial profession in EVE with one MT swing. You need effort to maintain multiple accounts, you need planning, spreadsheets, calculations, observation of the market, hauling/logistics, business agreements with miners, your own POS,... (the list goes on and on) to be able to use those accounts in their full capacity and it actually boosts the economy and helps out those who are playing a different type of the game. With MT in place, one can be just another rich bastard with no life that will conveniently cash out his "production line" with no effort at all while selfishly monopolizing production to the point where other players find it unprofitable or not fun to engage in any of the industrial activities.
Please tell me that those two things are the same.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Valari Nala Zena People who cancel their subscriptions will just pick it up again while their account is running out.
I'm sure CCP is making lots of profit selling vanity items, way more than the few who unsub for real.
You're at least partially wrong. I've eight accounts cancelled, and even if I decide to stay I will not keep more than max three of them running. They've lost at least half of their income from me. And I bet there's people arguing on the same level as me. We'll either cancel this hobby completely, or reduce it significantly.
Either way, atm CCP doesn't deserve our money, as they are not only not delivering, they're even insulting us while doing so. Nice way to treat your customers. I doubt people will accept that. -
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Le Sabre
Originally by: Demure Guise
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:28:48
Having never experienced a company die practically over night, then watch as their financials bleed over the next year..
I must admit, I FIND IT FRACKING AMUSING, at this time, even MORE AMUSING than playing eve.
This is another one for the history books, filed under "we told ya so"
Seen it all before - I played Hellgate.
I played Hellgate too, never thought Eve would start down the same road though.
Heh, I had so much expectations of that game.. I kept trying to play it even tho it was bugged to hell. Nearly impossible to play. That was without the MT even. Still sad it didn't work out as intended/wanted. -
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Travaras
Originally by: Azran Zala /emote grabs pickfork, joins the croud and starts shouting "CRUCIFY!!! CRUCIFY!!!"
Rabble rabble rabble!
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:01:00 -
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There's so much stuff to read at forums, that I couldn't even play the game even if I wanted to. Kek. -
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:33:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe SOE called, they want their moronic devs back
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Algathas Well CCP you may think you won because you sold some monocles. But guess what you paid which was greater: Goodwill. Sure you may have gotten a 1 off on some idiots buying a monocle but at the cost of how many subscriptions which would have lasted for *years*? Good trade. lol.
I'D SELL MY SOUL FOR A GOOD MONOCLE DEY DUN GROUW ON TREEZ YA KNOW LORLZ -
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 25/06/2011 04:30:38 Personally 6 years and ongoing, and i love this game.
what I personally, and alot of the people i speak with are mostly concernd about is, what will you do later on.
We want assurances that this game will never allow MT to sell stuff other than vanity items, aswell as alot of people are very annoyed over deployment of a long waited thing calld walking in stations. If you can not provide us with proper walk in stations where we actually can interact with each other then dont do it at all, giving us this is like giving nothing at all. who cares if you can se yourself in a mirror , or have a 2nd button you can klik to do the same as you allrdy can from the side bar.
Stop feeding us this crap, and make something properly before deploying it. If you cant make it work, then dont deploy it, i mean you dont sell cars without tires and then tell the customers to wait a year or 2 before they can have the tires aswell right?
You want reinsurances from the guys who a) lied to us about MT b) lied to the CSM about MT c) then wanted to parley with us, just to later show that they already had a set agenda internally d) their CEO even stated that players opinions doesn't count
CCP had a fishy history since before. Now they've (in very short succession) proven themselves to be self-centered liars. Assurances from CCP bears no meaning, at all. -
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 25/06/2011 04:30:38 Personally 6 years and ongoing, and i love this game.
what I personally, and alot of the people i speak with are mostly concernd about is, what will you do later on.
We want assurances that this game will never allow MT to sell stuff other than vanity items, aswell as alot of people are very annoyed over deployment of a long waited thing calld walking in stations. If you can not provide us with proper walk in stations where we actually can interact with each other then dont do it at all, giving us this is like giving nothing at all. who cares if you can se yourself in a mirror , or have a 2nd button you can klik to do the same as you allrdy can from the side bar.
Stop feeding us this crap, and make something properly before deploying it. If you cant make it work, then dont deploy it, i mean you dont sell cars without tires and then tell the customers to wait a year or 2 before they can have the tires aswell right?
You want reinsurances from the guys who a) lied to us about MT b) lied to the CSM about MT c) then wanted to parley with us, just to later show that they already had a set agenda internally d) their CEO even stated that players opinions doesn't count
CCP had a fishy history since before. Now they've (in very short succession) proven themselves to be self-centered liars. Assurances from CCP bears no meaning, at all.
What can i say? I still have an ounce of faith that they actually care, only a ounce though
I have faith in the staff at CCP. I have zero faith in the upper management. That has been the case for years, they just finally have been brought more into the public eye.
Change the leadership at CCP and the game would be alot better instantly. -
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