Originally by: Teako

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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400

We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable.

All that said, I couldnGt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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I find it immensely important, having read as much of this thread as humanly possible while still in an email/meeting/phonecall flurry yesterday, to let you guys know that Pann didn't abandon this thread on purpose. She had a family emergency in what is possibly the worst possible timing in the history of the internet, about 2 minutes after her second post in here. Everything is ok with that situation (talked to her yesterday). Whether you believe me or not, thems the facts. Saying that, obviously, on the day this thread began would have sounded ludicrous at best, spurious at least. Sort of like "my dog ate my homework" when your dog ACTUALLY ate it.

I haven't yet gotten to the blog responses, Facebook comments or reviewing Twitter hashtags. So please understand if I don't respond in a timely fashion in any venue and understand too that many questions simply cannot be answered directly. The nature of the beast.

The community team, likewise, has had their hands full with (as leniently as possible) enforcing forum rules and relaying information. We're all in it for the long haul though.

If some of my responses that I end up making do sound glib, I can assure you it is not because I don't understand the gravity of the situation at hand or the trueness of emotion/logic behind player opinion. It's because, frankly, of who I am.

Furthermore, if only some stuff gets answers or some seemingly random threads get attention, its also the nature of that same beast. Thanks for listening.

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Originally by: Meatay

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Originally by: Bklyn 1

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Don't you people get it? They won't answer your questions because they cannot, because the reality is this:

Eve is winding down.

They are happy to let us pay to playtest the engine of their new game.

Since Eve is winding down, they may as well milk every last cent they can get.

Now come on, they can't come out and say this. I wouldn't expect them to. Agreed, they should have realized people would pick up on it and had a better plan on how to spin it. But still, it really isn't reasonable to expect an honest answer here.

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Hilmar did, he said "f' the players, they are tards and we know what they want better than they do, the poor fools"

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Talamicus

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I know it has been said before but make sure you DO NOT let this calm down, trust me i bet they are just sitting there chillin waiting for the gale force winds to reduced to a mild western breezer and then hit out with some corporate sh*t

Remember Hilmar said they are not going to knee jerk to the predictable (which is our reaction probably)

STAY THE COURSE HILMAR, Even if there is an massive iceberg in your way!!

Hope you drown in the process

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Yea Miilla i noticed that



You are wasting your time talking to Hilmar, he is too self important, pompous, arrogant and egotistica to care.

He atually believes Eve is an extension of the real world. He actualy beleves he innovated microtransactions into existence, and he actually believes he is changing the world.

He makes Steve Jobs look relistic.

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Asyssa Stargazer

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All of you sitting here complaining about the direction of Eve are wasting your time.

If you truly want to be heard vote with your wallet - they WILL take notice.

I just cancelled my two subscriptions - if you are unhappy with the current state of affairs I urge you to do the same.

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We have, we are just having FUN now :)

Well, I am anyway lol

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Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort

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Wow reading all these posts has made my eyes so tired, I wish I had some sort of occular device to help me, Oh look I do, I have two sets and it cost less than a hundred pounds in real life. So I tell you this Hilmar

You should have gone to specsavers

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Originally by: Sandeman Reserve

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The Jita protest has been scuppered, apparently. According to people in the Help channel, CCP has closed Jita for the duration. I don't know if that's true or whether it's just automatic server balancing, but it looks kinda bad regardless.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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We are your content CCP.
You can not sell us to our selves.
We have real world central banks for that.
You screw us, we screw you.

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Originally by: Besoina

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Originally by: Agrikaan

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Edited by: Agrikaan on 25/06/2011 05:18:36

Originally by: Besoina

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Microtransactions are welcomed, as far as i am concerned. A few vanity items are hardly worth unsubbing for. The system for buying ships through plex has been available for a while, this is no different. If the items are too expensive & provide no benefit in pvp or pve, then who gives a damn about how much it costs or if its even there. I say let the dumbass pay $50 or more on vanity items, more revenue for CCP.

Seriously, some of you take the game too seriously & that letter has nothing wrong with it, I would have written something along those lines as well, if I were working there. You folks have to remember that this is not your game, you don't have the responsability (legal or otherwise) to increase stock prices for investors. They need cash to expand & grow, so I say, let the microtransactions stay & let ccp continue their PR tactics, bad press is good press.

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You seem to be the next generation EVE player, the type CCP and Hilmar wants. The one who doesn't think much, or care about being shat on. You spend money on MT, play for seven months then leave for the next cool thing.

Most of those that are mad are the seven-year players. We are leaving, instead of staying another seven years.

It might be just a game to you, but for us that have spent thousand of hours here, and thousand of dollares, this kind of arrogance directed straight at us, ****es us off.

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Okaaay, i think this is a wake up call for you to do something more constructive with your time & money. Im sure that applies to quite a few of the folks in this threadnaught.

I can see that this is not about micro transactions, its about players who only just realized they have no voice, no control over a game they are paying to play. Get over yourselves & this entitlement that you seem to all have. Eventually when the game has passed it's time, they will pull the servers down & move on to the next project. All your hard earned time & money will have been for NOTHING. Perhaps then you will finally wake up.

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Originally by: Talamicus

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I know it has been said before but make sure you DO NOT let this calm down, trust me i bet they are just sitting there chillin waiting for the gale force winds to reduced to a mild western breezer and then hit out with some corporate sh*t

Remember Hilmar said they are not going to knee jerk to the predictable (which is our reaction probably)

STAY THE COURSE HILMAR, Even if there is an massive iceberg in your way!!

Hope you drown in the process

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 25/06/2011 17:36:57


Even if they did say ok no we won't add those things..

What's the point in staying really.

They will just "feature creep" them in..

Either way, this is here now and comming later.

There is a wall, read it, and stop running or you will just run into it and cry after.

This is like telling politicans not to do something, they don't do it, then they creep it in later bit by bit.

You are all wasting your breath and time with this issue. Eve is no longer Eve, it is Entropia.

They don't care if you leave in masses. The new business model accounts for that.

Eve (Entropia) is now like a huge revolving door, new players come in, get mugged by the game, they leave..: repeat wrinse laughter.

This business model actualy thrives on the revolving door mugging model.

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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel

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Originally by: Libria Kyzal

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PROTEST VLOG (With explanation of wtf is going on ;D)

Please watch <3

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link failed.

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Originally by: Holly Cleland

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Edited by: Holly Cleland on 25/06/2011 17:49:45

Originally by: Talamicus

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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel

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Originally by: Libria Kyzal

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PROTEST VLOG (With explanation of wtf is going on ;D)

Please watch <3

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link failed.

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Correct link

youtube.com/watch?v=IqPo***ilhU

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You have to quote it to get the link... it has 3 K letters in it and the forums don't like that.

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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction

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Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos

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Originally by: Lindsay Logan

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What is the story with Hellicity?

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Got permabanned for telling a CCP rep to 'take a long walk off a short pier', which apparently is a death threat in CCP land.

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So ccp reps can't swim?

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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction

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Originally by: Faith Leon

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People, you need to stop logging in to make your point! The only thing they care about is numbers. Quitting is great, but for those not willing to go that far, at least take a weekend break. If they actually see people not logging in then they will really understand your anger. Logging in to shoot memorials/statues just shows you are willing to still play the game, even if it isn't in the way they envisioned. Happy, mad, they don't care, they just care how many people are playing.

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The majority of the protesters are those with already canceled subscriptions, who still have remaining gametime to use, and this is how they are using it.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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A Parting word before sleep, with no particular point, sure to be lost in the ever growing thread; lethargic if nothing else.

We're all aware that CCP so far refuses to answer The Big Yellow Question, and we've our fears about that. It seems as though CCP wants to make this all about the prices in the store, as if that is our concern. If we look at most of the gaming press at that time, it was to laugh at CCP's silly prices. CCP is not answering us, they are answering the press.

But the press is slowly pulling the story to the 'pay to win' issues despite CCP's best efforts to the contrary. Other MMO communities are starting to talk about what we the Eve community are doing and why as well.

We are CCP's past revenue stream. It seems as though CCP feels they can ride it out, make up new subs with 'good press' of 'awesome' and some cheap tacky space pants. That is, or was until now, their new revenue.

We have taken it beyond CCP's calculations. CCP used to always be proud that the community grew Eve to be greater than the sum of its parts. I think CCP is beginning to learn that the community does not belong to them, it belongs to us, it always has. Most of the time we're blowing each other up so we didn't recognize it quite so tangibly. That veil has fallen.

CCP can not ignore the gaming press, they depend on it. They must have it, they can not launch their new products or attract new loyal customers to a company with bad press. So far they have completely screwed them selves.

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Originally by: Talamicus

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Originally by: Talamicus

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I know it has been said before but make sure you DO NOT let this calm down, trust me i bet they are just sitting there chillin waiting for the gale force winds to reduced to a mild western breezer and then hit out with some corporate sh*t

Remember Hilmar said they are not going to knee jerk to the predictable (which is our reaction probably)

STAY THE COURSE HILMAR, Even if there is an massive iceberg in your way!!

Hope you drown in the process

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I could feel the storm calming so thought i would quote myself

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Originally by: Marc Goth

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what about as protest we dont log in game? that could be another strong signal for CCP...

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Originally by: Aineko Macx

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I don't get why people keep repeating the same question over and over again, as it has clearly been answered in the newsletter.

At this point I find the following question much more interesting: Why do we support a company whose main investor has known russian mafia connections (and worse)?

The same question can and should be posed to CCP employees and finally Hilmar himself.

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Originally by: Maverick2011

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Originally by: M14D

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Allow me to predict what's going to happen after this blog. Let's assume it's very well written, answers all of the concerns and actually soothes people:

You'll all still keep raging and protesting. Because you're idiots.

Please come back to this post after the blog and tell me I was right. Thanks in advance.

All of this crying for an answer, you're gonna get one now, and you dismiss it before it even hits you. You're all ridiculously stupid. Utterly and truely.

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Agreed!

by CCP employee

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Originally by: Lakuma

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I have returned brethren! How does the Front fare against our oppressors?

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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT

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Originally by: Slozhenitsyn

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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT

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Originally by: Shintai

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1mio views passed, over 10500 posts!

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and don't forget 4500 unsubbed.


Takes a man to get of his high horse and apologise...but then again men have Balls too!

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4500 unsubscribed? Source?

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Linkage


good enough?

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Originally by: Seline Okaski

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You know, I sometimes think that people cannot read.

I keep seeing people saying the "Greed is Good" document is only an internal newsletter being used to discuss the pros/cons of doing MT in the game. That it is only opinions and individual views.

And yet, in big bold words on page 8, it states at the beginning of the article:

Quote:

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CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?

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Does that REALLY sound like an opinion piece used to banter the pros/cons of an argument?

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Originally by: Tla Atij

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Soooo... 5 days until the CSM meeting. What now?

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