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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 24/06/2011 00:52:35
I firstly would like to ask the most important question:
Can you at CCP now promise that any "micro-transaction" plans will be permanently shelved regarding any transactions that would give players an in-game advantage or advancement such as standing, ammo, ships, skillpoint boosts etc?
Why ask?????? They already said absolutely NO MT last year and did it anyway just a few days ago.......
CCP promises are useless.
You want to settle the restless natives down??? Make a few few sacrifices to the damn volcano!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
I am sorry but quit the BS spin tactics. Newsletters are not meant to generate discussions on a topic. News letters are meant to present the news!!!! No more spin... No more BS.... No more lies.....
What you need to address is why the hell you all have taken it upon yourselves to sell a lie to the players that made it possible for you to feed your family!
As far as I am concerned the path that you all have chosen has completed the COAT HANGER ABORTION of Eve Online.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Hey, I'll be tossing out some answers here as best I can as well, so forgive me for a second as there's a LOT of posts to digest in this particular thread and I'd like to get to as many as possible. I have been, along with MANY others at CCP, reading forums, Twitter, Facebook, blogposts, petitions, etc for some time now, so it's not like much of it will be a surprise, but still each person here deserves eyes on their post so here we go.
I also must emphasize that, as Pann said, we'll have a more "substantive" answer for you tomorrow "from CCP" on many of the things you guys are talking/questioning/legitimately complaining about... so I wanted to make that clear.
There have been a lot of meetings and, as I am sure you can all undertand, these aren't quite the easiest things to unravel, reravel etc.
Silence sucks, it's been too long.
Did you just really use those bolded words together in a sentence...... CCP has lost the trust of the players... Do you really think that anything you can say is going to make a damn bit of difference in how us "GOLDEN GOOSE" players view CCP?
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: AdmiralJohn Edited by: AdmiralJohn
Do you have any definitive idea of the future of Aurum?
Aurum is here to stay. The cycle here isn't changing soon.
You forgot the big image of all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that are spent to buy GTC to convert to Plex.... You can't leave that out of the equation...
QUIT TRYING TO SPIN THINGS!!!!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:05:00 -
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Why have you not replied to the concerns in these threads?
Monacles or Death Official feedback thread... MT Vote Thread
We, the players, have been telling you what is wrong for a long time.. You don't listen...
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:39:00 -
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My ultimate question would be this:
How can we believe anything you say about MT in Eve when you have already done a 180 on it once and not only that but you are allowing the following to happen as well:
DUST IS MT BASED AND WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON SOV MECHANICS!!!!! YOU HAVE ALREADY PLANNED ON LETTING $$$$$ FOR ADVANTAGE INTO EVE BY MAKING DUST MT BASED!!!!! ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR//ONE MT
Here is a thread I started in the Assembly Hall after E3:
RL $$$ Alter Our Game
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lirael Dyrim
Originally by: HoboWithAShip Edited by: HoboWithAShip on 24/06/2011 01:50:18
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 01:47:27
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
As soon as DUST 514 is out non vanity MT will have an effect on the Eve Universe.....
This. This needs an answer NOW.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 -
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Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site:
"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players.
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980
"RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514
So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare.
With the roll out of Dust 514 CCP is going to allow MT to have game altering effects. However insignificant it may appear it IS going to happen.
CCP has invested too much into their new baby to allow us to change their mind.........
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER THE MT QUESTION CCP?????? Man up and do it so we don't waste anymore of our money!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site:
"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players.
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980
"RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514
So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare.
With the roll out of Dust 514 CCP is going to allow MT to have game altering effects. However insignificant it may appear it IS going to happen.
CCP has invested too much into their new baby to allow us to change their mind.........
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER THE MT QUESTION CCP?????? Man up and do it so we don't waste anymore of our money!
People need to see this.....
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site:
"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players.
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980
"RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514
So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare.
With the roll out of Dust 514 CCP is going to allow MT to have game altering effects. However insignificant it may appear it IS going to happen.
CCP has invested too much into their new baby to allow us to change their mind.........
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER THE MT QUESTION CCP?????? Man up and do it so we don't waste anymore of our money!
LOOK TO THE FUTURE PEOPLE!
Vanity MT is the first step to acclimating the players to what is coming. CCP is going to sit back and make the promise not to do any MT other then vanity (A blatant lie). When Dust rolls out and the first WTFBBQ Insta Dread Popper gun gets bought from their money store for $4.95 and pops a dread fleet the crap will hit the fan again..... What is after that????? CCP statement:
To bring Eve more inline with DUST and to make it a more even playing field we will be adding items to the money store that you can purchase with your Tribble Tokens. These items will give special bonuses to ship shielding and ground based damaged systems. BLAH BLAH BLAH
It breaks my heart to type anymore about what is planned for the future of Eve......
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
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Stripped down version of the dev blog
Read it while you can!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:33:00 -
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The short version of the dev blog.... I removed all the spin and useless words to make it easier for everyone to understand the real message.
Not too ironically my response to the blog is the same....
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:38:00 -
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Now threads are not just being locked but are being deleted........ Guess that answers the true or not question about the email!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:49:00 -
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Confirmed the email is legit by comments in this thread!
Email Confirmed
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez
Originally by: Horn Silver
ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE NEX MARKET?
answer the question
You know they will.
Dust 514 will impact sov mechanics..... Dust 514= MT based game with $$$$ for game advantages By proxy MT for advantage will be included in Eve at that time..
CCPs current plan is to slowly climatize the population with vanity MT and up the stakes as Dust release gets closer. First it's cloths. Then it moves to items (ISHUKONE SCORP FIASCO!). Then it moves to an item that gives some bogus bonus in game that nobody cares about. Then all of a sudden its a new module that lets yo upew pew dust bunnies with a dread....
CCP needs to man up and just go ahead and do it..... Chicken****s
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:20:00 -
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Notice the underlined part......... They have already lied about MT... They will continue to do it!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:26:00 -
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The future of Eve is here!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Teinyhr
Originally by: Miilla Just let CCP self destruct.
Dear Miilla, I believe I speak for all of us when I say: Nobody cares about you. Unsub and unplug, because you clearly hate this game, it's players and it's creators. I've only one thing I ask of you and it is this. Leave and never return.
I care Miilla!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep posting!!!!! <3
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:21:00 -
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In honour of the 300th page I give CCP what we truely want:
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:47:00 -
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Even Hilmar's new baby doesn't approve........
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:05:00 -
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Guess you can't discuss this topic in the Help channel.......
[02:00:36] EVE System > Vandrion was muted by ISD ********. Effective until 2011.06.26 02:30:35, Reason: "You have been asked numerous times to drop the topic. You are not helping; discussing this in the help channels serves no purpose other than instigation, irrespective of method of presentation. http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/chatrules.asp".
Best part--- the link for the chat rules is dead........
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:15:00 -
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From the WoW forums..... WTF?????????? This is like the plague! We are infesting the entire gaming community!
"EVE is most definitely NOT WoW. While it's true that it's been possible to use USD to in-effect "buy" items in game (a Nyx supercarrier or a Sin black ops BS, for instance), it has always taken months and months--if not actual YEARS, for capital ships--of training to effectively use these items. One can play WoW for a month or two and be level 85.
Buying a monocle or some goofy pants to play dress-up is irrelevant. Let those people go to Second Life; nobody cares. However, if some punk with his mommy's credit card can now not only buy that uber ship, but the skills to use it, the implants to give him an on-field advantage and the standings to build a station to house it, that's quite literally a game changer.
This is the situation that was alluded to in the "leaked" top-level email and this is the issue that the devs absolutely refuse to address. It's their game, their property, their intellectual rights and their pixels--they are free to do what they want with those assets. What we want to know is if they're now going to sell win to players who by default don't have as much blood, sweat and tears invested.
EVE has always been a game where the rewards have to be earned and profit comes not before extraordinary risk. The check to an uber pilot in a faction BS has always been that a couple of *smart* pilots in T1 frigs can take him down. If the advantage goes not to the smarter player, but the richer one, the the EVE we all love will be gone. I hope to convey to everyone that those of us who have invested a lot of time and resources in the game (just over four years for me) have a substantial amount to lose. Yes, it's just a game, but that game has a TRULY player-driven economy as well as a CSM. EVE is unique...it's the thinking-man's MMO...it has a learning cliff, not a learning curve...we lovingly call it a spreadsheet with a screensaver. We've been through so much together--scandals, botched expansions, lean content in the early years, etc. We stood by CCP and defended it against those who just don't understand because the devs--imperfect as they are--always listened to us and cared about the game every bit as much as we did.
Now that CCP has to listen to investors and Sony more than the the players, we're afraid that the Golden Age of New Eden is over. All we want to know is where the Aurum store initiative is headed. We don't care that the monocle costs $70--if you're stupid enough to buy it, then you deserve to lose $70. CQ is a thinly-veiled attempt at alpha testing ambulation and a testbed for WoD. Yes, it screws-up FPS, but CCP will eventually fix that--they always do. Besides, there's already a work-around for us multi-boxers. That CCP won't answer The Burning Question is more than a slap in the face, it's a gigantic F-U. I guarantee you that Blizzard, Sony, Cryptic, EA, etc. are watching the Jita Riots. You may not play EVE; you may not understand what the fuss is all about...but if you play an online game, this WILL affect you. The subscription model may be on its way out, but this is still relevant.
The Community is broken. We old-timers are confused and angry and every hour that goes by without a response from the devs just makes it worse.
The villagers have torches and pitchforks and have attacked the statue in the square."
Unrest Spreads to WoW
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:50:00 -
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The answer was in the newsletter......
In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere: we give players the means to buy stuff in addition to their base subscription, offering things like new ônano-paintsö that allow one to customize ships while docked; new articles of virtual clothing, tattoos, and other avatar customizations; tokens for customizing CaptainÆs Quarters and so on. Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright. The devil, as always, is in the details.
This was printed after the fun comments by the LOSER dev and the HERO dev.
Read the whole news letter... It spells it all out in large print......
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius this just in via Twitter:
Quote: ArnarHrafn writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:29:00 -
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EPIC LINK BELOW!
CCP uses the batphone!!!!!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:38:00 -
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"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
I call BS... The fearless newsletter contained pro's and con's from 2 employees... Now look at page 9. Here let me help you:
"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?"
This opening line isn't about debate you moron...... More---- "Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
Just caught you in a lie....... Yes-- you did and do still have plans to continue down the MT road..... We are not idiots........
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:43:00 -
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:02:00 -
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This is what I got from Zulu's fail blog
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Benri Konpaku
Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 23:02:51 So where did this waver of CCP apologists come from all the sudden. Where were they the last 5 days?'
DID CCP hire a PR firm to do damage control and had a bunch of them start up accounts to post on the forums.
Id laugh about the tinfoil hat, but is has been done by other companies in the past. OR is it sony doing Damage control now?
Just like the idiot in this post right here is trying to do!
PR or Dev alt argues the predictable
Making PR contracts takes time after all. And their responses and arguments are awfully familiar aren't they? So I'm still thinking the sell out isn't any work of fiction.
Yeah the arguments are all like a script. And very clearly fail when they try to argue back against peoples points.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 26/06/2011 23:30:39 I believe this is what CCP will become should Hilmar keep milking the cash cows:
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 26/06/2011 23:32:27
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Miilla
One thing I don't get about CCP is for all the "research" with "outside professionals" that CCP has done to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding, howcome CCP are in PANIC MODE and calling the CSM up to Iceland and trying to QUELL our ANGER?
If they are just "staying the course" and we are "very predictable" they shouldn't have to bother, and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
Seems CCP was talking out their buttocks again.
They are not doing that, nor should they. They are calling the CSM up to explain to them why they did what they did, and what the plan to do with it, and how to best continue down the path without ****ing too many people off.
That is EXACTLY what they should be doing. Eve need's MT, it needs more cash flow to progress, CCP should get that any way they can imho. I also dont see the difference between they way it is now and the way it would be if eve was F2P like WoT or something. People just buy whatever they want anyway don't they?
The "cash flow to progress" as you put it isn't for Eve, it is for CCP yes, more specifically, it is for WoD. Keep up will ya.
Eve is reaching its life time. It is 8 years old. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT's that will be pushed into WoD, Eve is niche, it is TINEY, the Fundmaster for WoD, and WoD will get the BIG ATTENTION and FOCUS by CCP because it is their WoW. MASS MARKET which Eve NEVER WILL BE.
Let me see if I understand you correctly...Do you want EVE to be a "test bed" as you call it ? Second question, do you mind EVE being a "test bed" Third question, do you want new technology to be introduced to EVE ?
Transitioning Eve to MT is the same as a back room doctor performing a coat hanger abortion......
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 -
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Advice for Team Coat Hanger (that is how I now refer to Soundwave/Zulu/Hilmar and crew since they want to abort Eve via coat hanger):
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.
I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.
Yep.. They are spreading into the other forum sections already.... This one tried the usual BS in my thread HERE
Seems he disappeared though........
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:47:00 -
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I believe the trip is just designed to cool the population down a bit, give CCP the ability to say they did something (I know. Funny right?) and for them to cave a bit on pricing for Tribble Token Items. All of this to try and lower the volumn from us rabble rousers! It has even sunk to a new low.... Tons of threads are appearing praising MT and the FAIL that is Incarna. Look in the threads... These folks go silent as soon as they are challenged... I can only think of a few things that would cause this:
1--trolls----- sorry, all the usual suspects are screaming about MT and Incarna 2--Dev Alts---- It has been done before.... 3--Paid forum flunkies---- happens all the time.. Companies hire PR firms to trash competitors or hype their own products... 4-- Kool-Aid drinkers---- even these guys no better then to jump into this crap-storm.....
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:54:00 -
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I just want to leave everyone with my take on how LEADERSHIP at CCP feels about its players:
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:13:00 -
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Looks like the CCP alt train is gathering steam!!! LOL
or
We have a new class of trolls that really have no clue what they are trolling about.... Damn I miss the educated trolls...They could at least troll with facts...
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 27/06/2011 13:21:38 Ok guys.. It is time to start paying attention to other forum sections then this one....
Here is an example of what is going on in the Assembley Hall:
"- Limited use items like the Cerebral Accelerator, which can be used to increase hourly SP gain for a limited duration and speed up skill training, rather than replace it with direct injection of skills/SP. Not strictly limited to new players, but with a time limit on use."
Assembly hall Thread
That knucklehead actually wants SP for $$$.....
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 27/06/2011 13:52:39
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
That article is rather good, don't miss the 2nd page.
It's funny, been watching some of those CCP alts, there was one guy that said "we" instead of "they" :-)
Was a good way to get a gauge on their new market. Really Dumb People. i.e. kids.
They referred to the YELLOW question I asked at the start of this thread that went "quote" VIRAL lol
That's because you care enough to scream LOUDLY and in yellow! Keep it up!
Edit for fail posting in the middle of a quote...
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin ccp dont apologise to these noobs. they would never actually quit.
<----- ps. checkout my hardcore monocle
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Edited by: Vandrion on 27/06/2011 14:36:43
Originally by: Jarnobi
Originally by: Corvallis Invictus 2 x unsubs
I have already been down this road with SOE.
I thought CCP was focused on making a great game people wanted to play so they could make money.
Sounds like there focus has become how to make money from a game.
Offcourse they made a game to make money....dont be so naief....also i prolly dont know whats this whining is all about, its is rly TL;DR but if this hussle is stil about the **** you can buy for Incarna then i dont get it....
Stop whining about the exspensive ****, if its to exspensive then DONT buy it, its as simple as that.
I would like to see ppl go to the BMW factories and protest because the car is to exspensive, and ask them to lower the price because they wanne drive an BMW.
But offcourse i can be totaly wrong, and this is not about the boots and all the other dress up stuffzzz.....
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:09:00 -
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One important fact about supply and demand that CCP has forgotten:
They control the supply.
WE CONTROL THE DEMAND
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 17:23:58
Originally by: ZopZo
Originally by: Kael Byka
- I WANT to play Eve.
- I WANT to enjoy Eve.
- I WANT Eve to be as good as it could be.
- Eve is a unique, exciting and challenging game.
- Eve has a mature, loyal and fanatical base.
- Eve could have a great future.
- I don't understand why game mechanics that were broken 4 years ago are still present.
- I don't understand why new game content gets released that adds to the brokenness.
- I don't understand why the game isn't being developed in the direction wanted by the majority of players.
- Talk to the players as well as the CSM.
- Listen to the players as well as the CSM.
- Develop for the players as well as the CSM.
- We are NOT your average gamers - there is a reason why we play Sandbox, NOT Theme Park.
- We are NOT your average gamers - we will be unhappy by poor content update and unfixed/ignored problems.
- We are NOT your average gamers - we have invested a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears in this game - don't rip us off, don't treat us like fools and don't think you can beat us down.
- What you're doing is not evolution of the game, it's bastardising to meet your required needs of more cash to support 2 other projects - it's not the right way to run an operation and right now you're short changing us on so many levels.
- We are the customer and this needs to be a two way relationship - work with us, not against us.
- There's only so much abuse a loyal dog will take before it bites back - I hope you're prepared to be bitten!
totally agree...
My 2 accounts stay on hold until i see that ccp is doing it like the players want it...to quote Hilmar : "look less what they say and more to what they do!" i fear that the emergency csm-meeting is just public relations...
Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.
That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.
Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.
Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.
Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.
The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where BANNED. Well they were right.
Sorry Miilla... had to fix it for you!
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:43:00 -
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DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this Dev Blog do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Vandrion DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this Dev Blog do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Written 2004?
You don't see what I did there, do you??
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 17:51:55
Originally by: Vandrion You don't see what I did there, do you??
Do now :-P
I would have expected that wording though, on all devblogs, to show how "cool" they are.
Keep letting CCP know how you feel!
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn Jesus Christ! I am not going to read 400+ pages of rants just to get an understanding of what's going on in this thread.
Ok to summarize this is what CCP said via a leaked newsletter... MT for all and if you don't like it:
and then there was Hilmar's leaked email that said don't listen to the players and Incarna was awesome.. Which really meant:
and then we players did 400 pages of this:
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: Govinda Sertan MT is only one of the main issue. The second one is the fact they dont care about their game anymore.
CCP is actually focus on 2 things :
1. WoD and DUST developpement. 2. Milking Eve gamers till their are dry, because the above point is requesting more money.
So yes. Eve is basically a farm now. And we are the cow.
Consider that all the money that gamers are puting in Eve since 2 years, is only used for developping other games and implementing AUR-based economy.
That's the reason i am mad. The game actually needs lots of attention due to tons of bugs, lag, and lacks of upgrades. And it wont get it any time soon, considering CCP dont care anymore.
I entirely agree, and its so sad that CCP is willing to milk eve to its death, just to pay for a game that will probably flop without eve to make it great.
When Hilmar milks Eve enough he gets to transition CCP into a new business model:
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:24:00 -
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The we love MT and AUR gang is at it again..........
Cheerleaders in Action
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:40:00 -
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linkage????
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cap Tyrian My Megapost of what was going on in short form.
Eve Forum
^_^/
You never read the WHOLE newsletter did you?????
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 28/06/2011 12:51:24
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 12:47:55
That's not quite true. You see only polls. As far I can see ppl vote for paints and skilling with chars on same account.
Real non-vanity are still no-no
Im clicking FOR all NON VANITY ITEMS :) Love you all puss puss
I <3 u
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Luckytania A decent write up on TenTonHammer by Mittens: a banal discussion
However, I did take strong exception to part of it. Enough so that, IMO, it raises some concerns as to how well this CSM rep will make the case at "The Meeting". And, yes, I did register there just so I could make this comment:
-- "Yet when looked at with a dispassionate eye, the leaked newsletter is mostly banal discussion of the existing microtransaction trend within the games industry."
I can't agree with that. Pages 5 through 7 can be characterized as you have. And possibly with that "mostly" you are technically correct. However, Page 9 of that newsletter is where the rubber meets the road. And it doesn't read like a 'what if' or 'let us chat about this'. It is a clear statement of 'this is what is being done'.
Written by the "Director of Content Design".
"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?"
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
"One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price."
Typical mittens tbh........
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:53:00 -
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COO Statement
I am really getting tired of the whole "Fearless is fully just opinion" bullsh4t.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Big Bad Guy I wonder if damage done is comparable to gains after NeX introduction and all the ****storm it brought with it
The storm isn't over yet...........
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Posted - 2011.06.28 23:13:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.28 23:41:00 -
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I think it's time to LET IT BURN!
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ra Vhim I have changed my mind. I no longer believe that MT automatically would kill Eve. I will quote my reasoning from another thread.
Originally by: Ra Vhim
Well, I have been thinking quite a lot about MT since this patch. Before the patch I didn't care. When it started to look like non-vanity items may be coming then I hated the whole MT idea. Now I believe that it might be possible if they only sell blueprints at Eve-prices (what it would cost in ISK on the normal market - no clothes for starship prices).
If they do that then I wouldn't care if they put every NPC bpo in NEX and turn it to a blueprint market. It would require that CCP drop the idea to have roflol prices and keep it within reasonable prices in Eve. I wouldn't care if I buy a bpo from the market or NEX as long as the price is about the same in ISK value (I would simply buy a PLEX from the market).
However, with the prices CCP take in the NEX this would be impossible. A cup of coffee in the NEX shop would cost like hundreds of AUR because it is really good coffee! I can't even guess how many hundreds of billions of ISK a raven NPC blueprint would cost if CCP keep up with their pricing.
Edit: I must add that this would probably encourage CCP to give us new useful mods and ships. Not all BPOs would be expensive (keeping the price about what is standard in Eve) but a lot would be sold.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 01:55:10 I think it is funny how very few people have picked up on the DUST 514 MT for advantage tie in we are going to get.....
Don't forget-- Dust will impact 0.0 sov!
Edit-- Do you really think CCP is going to back down on MT for advantage when they already designed Dust to change the Eve universe???
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Vandrion Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 01:55:10 I think it is funny how very few people have picked up on the DUST 514 MT for advantage tie in we are going to get.....
Don't forget-- Dust will impact 0.0 sov!
Edit-- Do you really think CCP is going to back down on MT for advantage when they already designed Dust to change the Eve universe???
That has not been lost on me, been saying it since the E3 news. How it manifests in Eve is at this time difficult to predict because we don't know all the links yet. Is it just ISK? What is the faucet/sink ratio in Dust, is Dust going to turn into a giant ISK vacuum? What reason do DustBunnies have to send any ISK back upstairs?
I suspect this is partly why they may have a difficult time in answering The Big Yellow Question, because MT P2W is coming to this 'eve-verse' in Dust. If they say "no never in Eve", but then say "yes for dust", then the marketing blurbs of "one universe/one war" start to look kind of thin. Rock meet hard place - And this assumes they were not going to try and slurp $cash from Eve in the first place.
It isn't about the ISK. It is about the fact that DUST will be a game based on MT for advantage. Dusties will be able to buy with RL $$ upgraded gear. Upgraded gear gives them an advantage. Dust will have a yet to be specified impact on Eve per CCP in the RPS interview after E3 HERE.
I quote: "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
One Universe/One War/One more way for CCP to sneak $$$$ for advantage in!
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Vandrion "...WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Wow, I must have missed that before. The way I'm reading this, CCP intends to have Dust simply become the RMT way to claim space in nullsec, and current residents are either going to have to have a serious involvement in Dust or gtfo.
I started my forum warrior ways with this thread after I read the Monocles or death blog... Looking back at it, I should have posted it in GD.....
RL $$$ Alter our Game.. Coming Soon
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Vandrion
It isn't about the ISK. It is about the fact that DUST will be a game based on MT for advantage. Dusties will be able to buy with RL $$ upgraded gear. Upgraded gear gives them an advantage. Dust will have a yet to be specified impact on Eve per CCP in the RPS interview after E3 HERE.
You're correct, it's not about the ISK, not for CCP, for them it is about the $cash. It may be about the ISK for alliances though, if they are forced into positions where they have to flood their DustMercs with ISK, and if Aurum can be transferred between Eve and Dust ... Big Yellow Question is a dangerous one, regardless of what they had intended for the Internet Space Ships side of things.
Dust hopefully have a reason to send wealth backup stairs, cause if not, it could be ... bad.
When I made the thread I linked a few posts up I wasn't worried about the wealth... I was worried about the $$ for advantage spreading and now here we are!
Regardless of what the CSM comes back with we will have MT by proxy with Dust. If the CCP says (lies) we won't have MT other then vanity they are just buying time. Once Dust rolls out they will have their final excuse to roll full blown MT into Eve...
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Posted - 2011.06.29 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maeleos Strom If this is so, although an exciting concept that adds a bit more depth to the game itself. Although it does deviate from the actual game of flying space ships and pew pew. But it is a good idea to have dust have an effect on certain parts of eve....ONLY if EVERYONE can play as the ground forces at will, none of this consol only crap. because not everyone has a ps3....
You sir don't get it........
DUST=MT for advantage + DUST= Impact to 0.0 sov in a significant way per CCP = MT for advantage in Eve.....
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Posted - 2011.06.29 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Ludovicus Since I have no original content to add but want to show support for this thread;
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND VANITY ITEMS FOR AUR?
IF YOU ARE, DO YOU KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES?
And also interesting read from a self proclaimed forum warrior;
Originally by: Vandrion I would love to hear what the CSM has to say about the MT issue especially considering the quotes and links I will provide below.
CSM--- Look at all the threads regarding MT. Look at the 52 page threadnaught in response to the Dev Blog on MT. Look at the thread in this forum where almost 80% of the responders don't want MT at all. The Eve community needs you to be our voice.
I qoute CCP Shadow from the PS3 blog on Dust514:
"Hi Vorlord. DUST 514 wonÆt have a monthly subscription like a number of MMOs. DUST 514 will have virtual goods sales though, that allow you to buy various types of gear used in combat."
"Hey Shoryukenll,
YouÆve asked a few things I canÆt delve too deeply into, but what I can comment on is what you said about virtual items and real money. DUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency."
Hmmmmm........ DUST514 is supposed to be tied into OUR Eve universe so now $$$$ for game changing items is one step closer......
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/
Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site:
"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players.
CCP also clearly states that AUR is purchased with RL money........ There should be absolutely ZERO arguments that AUR comes from anything other then RL cash money......
Monacles today. Game altering gear tomorrow!!!!!
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980
"RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514
So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare.
This is why a lot of us don't want MT of any form in Eve. Our concerns do not matter as CCP has already planned the future and it is RL cash transactions to buy an advantage........
Posted that HERE on 6/9/11. The straw that broke the camel's back......
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Posted - 2011.06.29 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 15:01:39 The level of stupidity is rising........
I hope some people don't breed......
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Mingloid
A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.
Ahh my firend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.
Except, of course, that the process you describe was never intended to be the process when paint jobs become widely available.
When people said they would be nervous even about the short term, quick and dirty test that was proposed, they immediately decided to hold off a bit until the full system could be implemented.
Your point?
Did you listen/watch the interview during the AT9 broadcast about this ship? This was not a test. This was putting it into the game as a magic ship for dollars until late fall when they could design a bpc for it..... This is another example of the spin CCP has been putting on things. I don't care that the CSM was told it was going to be a tes. CCP Magic Ship Man said it was going to be out in to the NEX this summer and not "fixed" until fall.....
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
That would be the definition of a limited duration test run.
They also said if the numbers sold began to have a negative impact on the economy, they could and would pull it at any time.
They also announced it in advance.
When they still got negative feedback on it, they listened to that feedback and cancelled the test until it could be implemented in a better way.
So reacting to player feedback is a bad thing now apparently.
It was in the day 1 coverage not the day 2 coverage. Starts at 3:15 in and clearly does not contain the word TEST. This is also the same time that the Dev "mis-spoke" on what he "mis-remembered" during the CSM visit. This was never designed as a test. Everything else after this was just back peddling and covering of their arse becuase of player backlash. Much like we are still seeing.
AT9 Ishukone Scorp.. 3:15 in starts the chat!
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 29/06/2011 21:22:48
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Ranger 1
That would be the definition of a limited duration test run.
They also said if the numbers sold began to have a negative impact on the economy, they could and would pull it at any time.
They also announced it in advance.
When they still got negative feedback on it, they listened to that feedback and cancelled the test until it could be implemented in a better way.
So reacting to player feedback is a bad thing now apparently.
It was in the day 1 coverage not the day 2 coverage. Starts at 3:15 in and clearly does not contain the word TEST. This is also the same time that the Dev "mis-spoke" on what he "mis-remembered" during the CSM visit. This was never designed as a test. Everything else after this was just back peddling and covering of their arse becuase of player backlash. Much like we are still seeing.
AT9 Ishukone Scorp.. 3:15 in starts the chat!
So his clarification at the beginning of the chat that the next iteration of the NeX would be able to take a ship hull in addition to AURUM means nothing.
That they were releasing it in August and the next intereation of the NeX is likely this fall doesn't mean short term.
That they go into more detail of their intentions in a Dev Blog is only back peddling.
Why, because it directly contradicts your opinion?
You are going to have to do a little better than that if you want the well informed section of the forum community to buy into your mindset.
Nope! Means jack-sh*t to me especially when it morphed into throwing the CSM under the bus then changed to a test. The test statement only came into being when the community went WTF?????
The bottom line was to put it into the game to make some quick $$$$ without examining the impact to the player base and the player driven economy. Sounds like they just didn't bother to think about the end result.....
Oh wait.. That sounds like what originally caused all this. FAILURE TO THINK by CCP...
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:04:00 -
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TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 7 minutes ago
Considering Mitten's goose stepped to the company (ccp) line about the Fearless newsletter I am very curious as to his definition of "OK"............
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kaladin Frostfire I can guess;
Loads of spread****s shown, implying the economic future, and logic (?) behind aurm is shown to csm...
outcome will be they will promise on not selling nonvanity items, but keep on the rest cosmetic, monoclolz etc..
oh which is fine with me btw..
I would be really surprised if they can not change their minds about pushing nonvanity items to market after this csm.
i mean..its dayn night..
lets see.
popcorn ready.
CCP's approach to logic:
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven Edited by: Viking Sven on 30/06/2011 14:05:05
Originally by: Alexandra Alt
Quote:
We just went through the pricing decisions for NEX initial rollout. #tweetfleet #csm6
Ok, NEX is to stay as seen from this tweet, you just lost a subscriber, bye.
All that really says is 'we are talking about how CCP came to their prices.' I don't see how that implies the NeX is there to stay (though it probably is).
What that really says is that CCP is dodging the big yellow question again!
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Molou nope.. apparently we dont' get ANY info until after the CSM meeting apparently were not GOOD enough to be updated.. until then in a JOINT statement. CSM = As bad as CCP.
I bet it will be about pants!
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:34:00 -
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Trebor's tweet about the big yellow question (props to Miilla) they get to hear about tomorrow:
@Trebor_CSM #csm6 Don't get me wrong bro, but am not getting good vibes, hope just to be part of my cynism... and wrong intel...
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Originally by: Merouk Baas I agree, but this 400 page thread is about emo-quitting, so apparently that means "angrily push the cancel subscription button, then make an angry post, then log in and play as normal?"
No... This thread is about this.....
Ok to summarize this is what CCP said via a leaked newsletter... MT for all and if you don't like it:
and then there was Hilmar's leaked email that said don't listen to the players and Incarna was awesome.. Which really meant:
and then we players did 400 pages of this:
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Vandrion
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 01/07/2011 13:14:18 I sense we are being set up for surprise buttsex from Ron Jeremy sporting an 80 grit trojan!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Graava
BTW you can spin your robot to your hearts content
Well, you can spin a transparent blue hologram of your robot.
Isn't that better then the useless hologram we can't spin????
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:15:00 -
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This is all the players want.....
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kailithi Edited by: Kailithi on 01/07/2011 14:23:27 (edit to fix quote block)
Well, I know were I stand with the CSM.
(source = twitter)
Quote:
@trebor_csm We just got a first look at a work-in-progress of Time Dilation. Nice. #csm6 #tweetfleet
@ackadia #csm #tweetfleet @trebor_csm Very nice, however we were under the impression today was for sorting this ****, not looking at bling....
@mara_rinn @ackadia time dilation is not "bling" it is the future of nullsec #tweetfleet
@ackadia @mara_rinn EvE uses more power than WoW, Rift & SC2 all at once. They SHOULD be fixing Incarna, not working on other stuff #tweetfleet #csm6
@themittani @Ackadia kill yourself, don't talk **** about tidi~
@ackadia @themittani #tweetfleet #csm6 I don't need to kill myself, I am dying anyway, slowly and painfully. Thanks for the reminder!
@themittani @Ackadia If you're dying slowly and painfully, shouldn't you support time dilation?
@ackadia @themittani You are sad and rather sick to be honest. And no, I don't care about ahead when what they have now is borked. #csm6 #fleetfleet
So, when a player points out the the CSM should be focusing on the issues they went to Iceland for, and that CCP should be fixing the resource hogging issues of Incarna (which they are aware of) before worrying about future expansions... I get told to kill myself
When I pointed out I am dying anyway (I have a rare wasting disease, and complications like kidney failure and pulmonary embellism) Mittani thinks it's something to joke about.
After that I started getting hate messages on Twitter. Nice eh.
And you are putting your hopes on these people...
People keep forgetting mittens is a goon......
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lucilia Mercapone They are playing for time. The protests and attention have gone way back in the last couple of days. People are tired of it.
Also their magician's tricks presenting new cool stuff to the CSM at an emergency meeting? Really? A distraction?
Nice to see they are working on other non brute force ways to fix lag but is this really the most important topic right now? I for one have little hope.
Last minute Dev Blog on a Friday.......... Been there Let Forums stew all weekend....... done that
All this sounds remarkably like what just happened????
What does it all mean????:
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:50:00 -
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Ok peoples.. My two cents about the statement and the CSM:
1- The CSM was summoned to express our concerns. They did. CCP is the one that can decide what they are going to do. The CSM can't change what CCP's decision is. Deal with it.
2- The CSM is legally obligated to STFU... That's right folks! The Non-Disclosure Agreement means that the members of the CSM can be held LEGALLY responsible for disclosing information until CCP gives them permission....
3- If you cannot understand this please GTFO of the game called life or atleast go get neutered/spayed so you can't breed your special brand of stupid........
Dev Blog/Statement:
It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no.
Here is the NO:
No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist
In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers....
Here is the YES:
Yes we will be able to buy faction standings Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero
Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Originally by: Vandrion Ok peoples.. My two cents about the statement and the CSM:
1- The CSM was summoned to express our concerns. They did. CCP is the one that can decide what they are going to do. The CSM can't change what CCP's decision is. Deal with it.
2- The CSM is legally obligated to STFU... That's right folks! The Non-Disclosure Agreement means that the members of the CSM can be held LEGALLY responsible for disclosing information until CCP gives them permission....
3- If you cannot understand this please GTFO of the game called life or atleast go get neutered/spayed so you can't breed your special brand of stupid........
Dev Blog/Statement:
It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no.
Here is the NO:
No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist
In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers....
Here is the YES:
Yes we will be able to buy faction standings Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero
Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....
You understand that your yes = non vanity right? And that is also a yes to the big yellow question.
You don't see what I did there do you??
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Canasa
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Originally by: Vandrion Ok peoples.. My two cents about the statement and the CSM:
1- The CSM was summoned to express our concerns. They did. CCP is the one that can decide what they are going to do. The CSM can't change what CCP's decision is. Deal with it.
2- The CSM is legally obligated to STFU... That's right folks! The Non-Disclosure Agreement means that the members of the CSM can be held LEGALLY responsible for disclosing information until CCP gives them permission....
3- If you cannot understand this please GTFO of the game called life or atleast go get neutered/spayed so you can't breed your special brand of stupid........
Dev Blog/Statement:
It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no.
Here is the NO:
No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist
In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers....
Here is the YES:
Yes we will be able to buy faction standings Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero
Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....
You understand that your yes = non vanity right? And that is also a yes to the big yellow question.
You don't see what I did there do you??
I don't know you, but I bet you wave your hands about and spit a lot when you're shouting - and no-ones listening
Well at least your reading it... I still think item #3 applies to you however... Please contact the Vet that groomed you last to arrange for fixing...
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Canasa
Originally by: Vandrion
Well at least your reading it... I still think item #3 applies to you however... Please contact the Vet that groomed you last to arrange for fixing...
Hehe - after seeing the results of doin' your mama, I volunteered already ;)
Fail... Your mama jokes stopped working in the early 80's... What's next?? Gay humor?? I fully suggest you empty your drool cup.. The fumes are effecting your last brain cell....
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