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Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:22:00 - [1] So CCP has this little letter that was supposed to remain internal and was made public and caused a mild **storm, for entirely understandable reasons. And CCP elected not to do anything about it when they had the opportunity, so the mild storm stopped being so mild. A good chunk of the community is ed off. And here's why that's unnecessary: We don't know if they meant it.** It's so entirely over the top that we'd probably laugh it off as satire if it weren't coming on the heels of a rather pitiful excuse for Incarna and the $60 monocle. Making everything that you have to really work for in the game available just by spending money? If you actually think that CCP is that foolish, you should have quit this game ages ago, not now. So why was it written at all? It's a discussion strategy known as playing Devil's advocate. You have someone take the role of the opposition, and argue the unpopular side - regardless of whether they actually believe it. In all honesty, I think CCP Soundwave sucks at this - based on how absurd what he wrote is, it's a little to obvious that he doesn't actually believe it. Until he shows up and announces that he really does and that is in fact the direction he wants to take this game, there's absolutely no reason people should assume that it's true. I mean, have you read it? It's basically saying, "Let's run a bulldozer through the sandbox in order to line our pockets." If it weren't right on the heels of the Incarna release, we'd be laughing at it for being a brilliant troll - and **, CCP just trolled you all harder than HYRDA and Outbreak did, and they didn't even mean to. So really. Until we're given some solid reason to believe that they actually intend to do all that ** (And no, the fact that it's in an internal communication likely for the purpose of sparking discussion doesn't make it so), relax a bit. Remember when they actually suggested Remaps for Plex? That didn't get a fraction of this kind of backlash, and they still canned the idea. They're not blind, they're not that stupid, they're not going to do what CCP Soundwave is suggesting. What they will do is release mediocre patches that may or may not set your computer on fire. If you want to get mad at them, get mad about what they actually did, as opposed to what you mistakenly believe they might be planning to do. And get CCP Soundwave some lessons in playing Devil's Advocate. This was like reading A Modest Proposal - which, ironically, people took seriously back then too. tl;dr - they probably weren't serious, until we know that they are, chill. Thanks. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death.
Da Gooch	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:25:00 - [2] While i see what you are trying to do, the fact is the customers want blood, no if's or but's. and blood we shall get!
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Da Gooch While i see what you are trying to do, the fact is the customers want blood, no if's or but's. and blood we shall get! This.
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:27:00 - [4] Stage 1: Denial ________________
Morganta	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:27:00 - [5] yeah. lets spend a bunch of time printing up pamphlets talking about all the stuff we could do that we PROMISED TO NEVER DO. do you see the error in your logic?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:28:00 - [6] I have read it a while ago, and quite honestly, there's nothing in there to really justify a "burn the witch" crusade. The only outrageous things are framed as "what if" scenarios anyway, and the whole mood of the paper is lighthearted banter, not cigar-smoking bespectacled Mr. Burns huddled near a fire made out of dollar bills, like some here act as if it was. For an internal document, it was actually pretty freaking tame and balanced. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:28:00 - [7] And in many ways, that's CCP's fault. Rather than coming out as soon as the memo was leaked and saying, "Yep, it's real, and here's why you shouldn't be upset," they assumed that people would be smart and figure it out on their own. Instead, the echo chamber got going, everyone started agreeing that they should all be ***ed off because everything that someone writes at CCP is automatically canon, and now people want blood - for nothing. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death.*
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Terianna Eri Stage 1: Denial ^^ Something like that. So people will not accept reality if it doesn't suit them.
Tachibana Kanade	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 - [9] Because **** you?
Mia April	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 - [10] DEV ALT DEV ALT Bull**** meter activated!
Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Terianna Eri Stage 1: Denial I'm a scientist. I don't deny things. I just keep asking why - and wait for an answer - where everyone else jumps to conclusions. And I have every intention of laughing my ass off if I'm right, though I'll certainly be crying with the rest of the community if I'm wrong. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death.
Da Gooch	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 - [12] Edited by: Da Gooch on 24/06/2011 03:32:18 I know some people never bother watching video links, but i want you to watch mine, please do it, from 0:00-1:11 it's the hours before the release of Incarna, then it is released and people check it out suddenly you have reached 1:12 of the song. no turning back im afraid. How the public feel
Steph Wing Gallente Transfixion Reverberation Project	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 - [13] I'm willing to give CCP the benefit of the doubt and let the content of the newsletter slide, for the reasons the OP has stated. What I'm not willing to do, however, is let CCP off the hook for the way they've behaved about this. By CCP Pann's own admission, their explicit strategy these last few days has been to bury their heads in the sand until this all blows over. They're slowly realizing now that it's not going to, so they sent Pann to come and, to use a direct quote, "...buy time while we [they] to sort things out." That's what they should have been doing these last couple of days, instead of sticking their fingers in their ears and waiting for it to go away.
Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:36:00 - [14] Originally by: San Severina Originally by: Terianna Eri Stage 1: Denial ^^ Something like that. So people will not accept reality if it doesn't suit them. I could say the same of you. Ironically, where I've given a logical explanation for what I think, you've merely said I'm in denial because I disagree with the doom and gloom crowd. Give me a good reason (that I didn't already mention) to believe that CCP is really so pants-on-head *****ed as to go in this direction. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death.*
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Akita T I have read it a while ago, and quite honestly, there's nothing in there to really justify a "burn the witch" crusade. The only outrageous things are framed as "what if" scenarios anyway, and the whole mood of the paper is lighthearted banter, not cigar-smoking bespectacled Mr. Burns huddled near a fire made out of dollar bills, like some here act as if it was. For an internal document, it was actually pretty freaking tame and balanced. jesus akita, I'd really hate to see what you consider bad. I read it too & I see a lot of extremely cynical, greedy, disrespectful ideas being thrown around as possible plans for the future of EvE, look at where we are now! What will it take to convince you that the paradigm CCP is operating under now is counter-productive & bad for the community & the integrity of the game as whole. On top of that & despite the promises made to players to the contrary, ideas which most players find extremely offensive ie; pay to win, & a further push to milk the community for all it's worth, are being discussed, for whatever reason. Why? How is that not a bad thing?
Galding	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Victoria Stecker tl;dr - they probably weren't serious, until we know that they are, chill. They already limited your stored fittings to 50, (Which they mentioned in the newsletter, they want you to pay to up the limit) They were planning to spawn ishukone scorpions from thin air and AUR, until the playerbase said no and got angry. They are not answering if there will be gameplay affecting transactions yet. You would think, given the amount of anger over it, the answer would be a firm no if they weren't planning to do it. Silence/avoiding the question is pretty much enough to know there will be non-vanity items in the future.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Victoria Stecker So CCP has this little letter that was supposed to remain internal and was made public and caused a mild **storm, for entirely understandable reasons. And CCP elected not to do anything about it when they had the opportunity, so the mild storm stopped being so mild. A good chunk of the community is ed off. And here's why that's unnecessary: We don't know if they meant it.** It's so entirely over the top that we'd probably laugh it off as satire if it weren't coming on the heels of a rather pitiful excuse for Incarna and the $60 monocle. Making everything that you have to really work for in the game available just by spending money? If you actually think that CCP is that foolish, you should have quit this game ages ago, not now. So why was it written at all? It's a discussion strategy known as playing Devil's advocate. You have someone take the role of the opposition, and argue the unpopular side - regardless of whether they actually believe it. In all honesty, I think CCP Soundwave sucks at this - based on how absurd what he wrote is, it's a little to obvious that he doesn't actually believe it. Until he shows up and announces that he really does and that is in fact the direction he wants to take this game, there's absolutely no reason people should assume that it's true. I mean, have you read it? It's basically saying, "Let's run a bulldozer through the sandbox in order to line our pockets." If it weren't right on the heels of the Incarna release, we'd be laughing at it for being a brilliant troll - and **, CCP just trolled you all harder than HYRDA and Outbreak did, and they didn't even mean to. So really. Until we're given some solid reason to believe that they actually intend to do all that ** (And no, the fact that it's in an internal communication likely for the purpose of sparking discussion doesn't make it so), relax a bit. Remember when they actually suggested Remaps for Plex? That didn't get a fraction of this kind of backlash, and they still canned the idea. They're not blind, they're not that stupid, they're not going to do what CCP Soundwave is suggesting. What they will do is release mediocre patches that may or may not set your computer on fire. If you want to get mad at them, get mad about what they actually did, as opposed to what you mistakenly believe they might be planning to do. And get CCP Soundwave some lessons in playing Devil's Advocate. This was like reading A Modest Proposal - which, ironically, people took seriously back then too. tl;dr - they probably weren't serious, until we know that they are, chill. Thanks. Your logic and reason have no place here, unfortunately.
The Doctorz	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T I have read it a while ago, and quite honestly, there's nothing in there to really justify a "burn the witch" crusade. The only outrageous things are framed as "what if" scenarios anyway, and the whole mood of the paper is lighthearted banter, not cigar-smoking bespectacled Mr. Burns huddled near a fire made out of dollar bills, like some here act as if it was. For an internal document, it was actually pretty freaking tame and balanced. +1 I didn't see anything in there that wasn't more than a balanced devils advocate piece myself (insightful look though inside the iron curtain) of select statements which dont indicate anything more than an opinion piece and not confirmation of actual development direction. I think it is fine for a business when researching a path/direction to state all the paths they are or have explored. It would be idiocy to not lay all the cards on the table as such as a business man and rule out each option as you proceed till you narrow on the right path.
Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Galding Silence/avoiding the question is pretty much enough to know there will be non-vanity items in the future. Worst case scenario, sure. Silence/avoiding the question might also mean that they're a bit shell-shocked after half the community raged over something they probably laughed at for being so absurd. They figured that cooler heads would prevail and the mess would blow over. This forum has a shortage of cooler heads, as most of them avoid it like the plague. Again, the newsletter appears to be making the case for more MT - because there's a necessary internal discussion that is being had on the subject. The fact that it's in a ***ing little newsletter doesn't mean it's company policy, doesn't mean it's the direction they plan to go - doesn't really mean anything. Until they make it public, it's just words on a page that no one outside the company was meant to see. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death.*
Th0rG0d Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:54:00 - [20] Are you telling me that this isn't legit either? Looks pretty convincing to me!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.24 03:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Th0rG0d Are you telling me that this isn't legit either? Looks pretty convincing to me! I been waiting for this one, thank you Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Da Gooch	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Th0rG0d Are you telling me that this isn't legit either? Looks pretty convincing to me! # i genuinely laughed in rl
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Katra Novac on 24/06/2011 04:03:17 Originally by: San Severina Originally by: Terianna Eri Stage 1: Denial ^^ Something like that. So people will not accept reality if it doesn't suit them. Not quite, it's where people start making excuses for other people's actions because they find the alternative difficult to believe.
Covert Kitty Amarr ISK Solutions SRS.	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:05:00 - [24] Quote: And here's why that's unnecessary: We don't know if they meant it. It shows that there is a development sect that is part of eve online that needs to leave CCP. Most people intuitively know this is a horrible direction.
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:06:00 - [25] At school many years ago we had compulsory debating. You would be given a topic, and no matter what the topic was both sides of the argument had to be presented. Sometimes you'd have to argue that America shouldn't have intervened in WW2, slave labour should be allowed, women shouldn't have the right to vote. Just because you'd argue for it didn't mean you endorsed it, it showed you that every debate has two sides and both must be presented to fully understand it. That's what I see in this newsletter. "Greed Is Good". Anyone who couldn't tell straight away that this was lighthearted has issues. Of course they're going to discuss MT. Its a big issue amongst mmo's today. They can't have a discussion without presenting for and against arguments. If only you people knew what goes on behind closed doors in politics.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Victoria Stecker Worst case scenario, sure. Silence/avoiding the question might also mean that they're a bit shell-shocked after half the community raged over something they probably laughed at for being so absurd. They figured that cooler heads would prevail and the mess would blow over. This forum has a shortage of cooler heads, as most of them avoid it like the plague. Again, the newsletter appears to be making the case for more MT - because there's a necessary internal discussion that is being had on the subject. The fact that it's in a ***ing little newsletter doesn't mean it's company policy, doesn't mean it's the direction they plan to go - doesn't really mean anything. Until they make it public, it's just words on a page that no one outside the company was meant to see. It's bloody real. Wormholes: The NEW* end game of Eve - Online. No Local. No Lag. No Blues. No Blobs.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:08:00 - [27] Edited by: Akita T on 24/06/2011 04:10:21 Originally by: San Severina Originally by: Akita T I have read it a while ago, and quite honestly, there's nothing in there to really justify a "burn the witch" crusade. The only outrageous things are framed as "what if" scenarios anyway, and the whole mood of the paper is lighthearted banter, not cigar-smoking bespectacled Mr. Burns huddled near a fire made out of dollar bills, like some here act as if it was. For an internal document, it was actually pretty freaking tame and balanced. jesus akita, I'd really hate to see what you consider bad. New T2 BPO creation via NEX. Datacore harvesting profession implodes alongside inventor profession. Related exploration also suffers. Sooner rather than later all T2 BPOs become near-worthless anyway, but T2 items keep high prices regardless. Items that are BETTER than existing faction/officer items sold at rock-bottom AUR prices. Ratting and combat exploration becomes a crapshoot for low payouts. BPOs no longer sold by NPCs, but in NEX directly. Same for skillbooks and all former LP shop items. Basically, most of the ISK sinks in game right now turned into AUR sinks. Lack of ISK sinks combined with massive amounts of ISK that was previously dormant entering the "general circuit" of ISK (due to AUR being needed where ISK was needed before) spurs runaway inflation. PLEX starts to be massively used as inflation hedge, spurring huge PLEX early purchase sprees, especially from people with loads of liquid ISK, in a huge bubble-like positive feedback. L4 missions moved to lowsec in an attempt to curtail ISK faucets. When that is not enough (since that's not really the big problem, but people will be screaming for it anyway), L3s get moved there too. Needless to say, that doesn't help matters either. Mining and moon holding become two of the few activities that pay decently enough anymore. Massive mining ops lead to an even larger "supercap inflation", which makes the moon mineral issues explode out of proportion. And so on and so forth. Yeah, now THAT would be what I could call really bad. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Victoria Stecker And here's why that's unnecessary: We don't know if they meant it. So why was it written at all? It's a discussion strategy known as playing Devil's advocate. You have someone take the role of the opposition, and argue the unpopular side - regardless of whether they actually believe it. I disagree. Pages 5 through 7 were the only thing that resembled a debate/discussion/what-if. Page 9 comes across as a statement/"here's the plan" on how MT _will_ be implemented in Eve. The opening paragraph on page 9 says that the article describes the MT strategy for Eve: Quote: "CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?" The closing paragraph states that MT will be an integral part of Eve. That the Eve MT store will not be limited just to Space Barbie accessories. Quote: Thus, we will not and cannot focus on virtual sales only within the Incarna environment, nor build that environment around such sales; rather, we will effect a universal strategy of micro-sales throughout the EVE experience. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:14:00 - [29] Edited by: Ghoest on 24/06/2011 04:16:18 Edited by: Ghoest on 24/06/2011 04:14:55 I disagree with the apologists like Akita. Internal or not it shows them weighing the pro and cons of destroying everything EVE has represented to long time players. If you over heard the staff at a hotel weighing the pros and cons of robbing you , you wouldnt say "Its ok they were just talking in private." Instead you leave the hotel. And the "At least they arent planning to kill me" argument doesnt merit remaining in the hotel. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:15:00 - [30] Originally by: stoicfaux The closing paragraph states that MT will be an integral part of Eve. That the Eve MT store will not be limited just to Space Barbie accessories. That was pretty obvious already ever since they said "ship paintjobs" publicly not that long ago. Not limited to Incarna stuff, of course not. But that doesn't mean they're convinced going past vanity items would be a good idea. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts

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