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Amorlune Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:41:00 - [31] Edited by: Amorlune on 25/06/2011 06:42:00 You must be new here to Eve, because this is just the straw the broke the camels back. Lets face it Eve is a niche game with a small player base. The reasons its niche is because the sandbox appeals to only a small amount of players. This is not to say that the sandbox is a bad concept however there are several reasons as to why this even annoys players the most lets look at the history of Eve vs CCP marketing. 1. The Dev playing the game, after many claims by alliances and corporation that there were CCP employees playing in the game and even cheating (these people where perma banned) it finally blew over when the CCP employee was busted giving out Tech 2 blue prints to everybody 2. Many broken promises to fix the game I. Factional warfare - it was promised as a way that casual players could get into the even PVP side of things, in the end it turned out to be a CCP warped fantasy where players were required to risk everything for measly results II. COSMOS agents - Agents that were meant to deliver blue prints and rewards to those who risked it - the end results the same repetative mission running except in low sec for ganking fun III. Numerous Sov Changes - You can see the CSM logs for this IV. The CSM - Brought out because of Problem 1 V. The CSM fiasco - CSM resigning due to CCP (If I can remember this correctly) VI. Level 5 Agents - Another CCP we want more players, that went wrong VII. The Invention system to replace Tech 2 lottery (intially) As one can see CCP has a history of promising a lot and delivering a badly implemented system, and just leaving a mess behind, generally players tolerated it because they could ignore it, people DO NOT PLAY EVE BECAUSE OF CONTENT, but rather because of what others players do. Sadly there is no content in Eve to speak of. CCP is also overcomitted and stretched, by the following decisions: 1. CCP decides to Purchase White Wolf (dunno how much they spent on this) 2. CCP decides to make Dust 514 3. CCP decides to make a WoD MMO Dust 514 a console only MMO, might of annoyed eve players but players were promised that DUST 514 was being developed by a different group in China. In the CCP e-mails and PDF they state lack of revenue as generated by Eve to support their new Console MMO addiction and their development of the WOD MMO as the reasons to milk the eve players. With all of the above and the history of CCP constant mismanagement, players have little faith in CCPs promises as this has been broken many times before. People say that CCP wants to kick all the players out and get new ones in, unfortunatly this is the exact type of thinking that SONY got into trouble with SWG, sacrificing existing players with broken mechanics in the hope of attracting a larger base, this never works. It does irreparable damage to the reputation of the company, as Sony found out. Even CCP's own ex-employees are annoyed at the company (http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-CCP-Games-RVW993686.htm) ... so yes there is a lot at stake now, and this is just the straw that broke the camels back Your so vain, you think this sig is about you, dont you. Dont you!
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Dobbs Head I think that a message has been clearly conveyed by many folks: We won't subscribe to any game with a pay-to-win system. What must be recognized is that other players might. The problem that CCP will face with establishing a pay-to-win system is the gamble involved in alienating their current player base while hoping to attract new player base. Other companies have failed with this same gamble. What must be said is that while there is evidence in the newsletter that CCP is open to sifting through many different options there is no evidence at all that they are actively pursuing the installation of a pay-to-win system. This is precisely the problem. The existing player base has quite vehemently stated that they do not want to see pay-2-win in EVE. The hundreds of potential canceled accounts are proof of that, as are the two biggest threadnaughts in EVE history. Yet Hilmar states in his e-mail that he is prepare to ignore the players and push through with pay-2-win so long as he thinks it'll generate additional revenue and attract new players. Star Wars Galaxies tried to expand its player base through the NGE, alienating a good portion of its dedicated player base in the process. It never recovered from that bout of stupidity, though SOE later apologized for the entire thing, and will close within a few months. CCP appears to be headed in a similar direction, pushing through changes that the dedicated player base absolutely hates, and that undermine fundamental aspects of the EVE sandbox, such as pay-2-win. It would have taken all of ten seconds for Hilmar to post that CCP would not consider a pay-2-win model. Anyone at CCP could have done this in the past two days. Yet they have not. And Hilmar's e-mail quite plainly explains that CCP is prepared to watch its most dedicated players walk away in the name of making a quick buck.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Atreus Venom you forgot something in the list of things that havent happened... CCP hasnt responded to the question of game changeing items in NEX in the future... and also they havent made a decent dev blog either jesus it communication time on the rainbow express... your words mean nothing because your not CCP GTFO I think that may be more along the lines of "We do not negotiate with terrorists!" What I mean is that the newsletter with the brainstorming ideas was an internal, private newsletter. If all you have to do to force CCP to focus attention and resources on any particular topic that some specific players want addressed is to get a hold of some private documents and flash the juicier tid-bits around the internet then there is a problem. That's not how the interaction between company and player base is enacted. I don't blame them for not commenting on it, actually. It was private. It was not a development document. It was not an established plan. It was just a collection of ideas from some devs. They were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, and they shouldn't have to apologize for it. Nor should they be subjected to calls for their heads to be placed on platters at the feet of some half-informed players. If I were sitting in the main office and was informed that some people were demanding that I answer some questions based on a private non-binding newsletter that was obtained under shady circumstances, I'd probably refuse to answer too. The more hostile and insulting they become, the less likely it is that I'll answer them, but that's just me. I'm sure that the official channels of communication between company and players can be improved. I'm equally sure that obtaining private emails and newsletters will probably be met with some icy-ness.
Mantreh	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Alice Katsuko Yet Hilmar states in his e-mail that he is prepare to ignore the players and push through with pay-2-win so long as he thinks it'll generate additional revenue and attract new players. I must have read a different email than you. I saw him say to watch the players closely and what they DO. Not to ignore them, but to pay attention to the many who are not here on the forums with pitchforks in hand and blindfolds on their face.
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:50:00 - [35] For someone who wants to have a civil conversation, I will tell you that calling me a terrorist is a very bad way to get me to listen to what you have to say.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Dobbs Head "We do not negotiate with terrorists!" I merely suspected you were a dev alt until I read this post, which confirmed it.
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Atreus Venom rainbow CCP Presents: Incarna "It's going to be awesome"
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:53:00 - [38] Edited by: Londo Cebb on 25/06/2011 06:53:51 Even if CCP does want to institute a pay for advantage system in EVE, I really have no problem with that. It is their game, they can do as they like with it. But I can not continue to support them. That is not the game I started playing.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Alice Katsuko Originally by: Dobbs Head I think that a message has been clearly conveyed by many folks: We won't subscribe to any game with a pay-to-win system. What must be recognized is that other players might. The problem that CCP will face with establishing a pay-to-win system is the gamble involved in alienating their current player base while hoping to attract new player base. Other companies have failed with this same gamble. What must be said is that while there is evidence in the newsletter that CCP is open to sifting through many different options there is no evidence at all that they are actively pursuing the installation of a pay-to-win system. This is precisely the problem. The existing player base has quite vehemently stated that they do not want to see pay-2-win in EVE. The hundreds of potential canceled accounts are proof of that, as are the two biggest threadnaughts in EVE history. Quote: Yet Hilmar states in his e-mail that he is prepare to ignore the players and push through with pay-2-win so long as he thinks it'll generate additional revenue and attract new players. I read the email and didn't see anything in there about pay-to-win items. The facts are important. Folks are reading information into an email that isn't actually present. That a major part of the problem. Quote: Star Wars Galaxies tried to expand its player base through the NGE, alienating a good portion of its dedicated player base in the process. It never recovered from that bout of stupidity, though SOE later apologized for the entire thing, and will close within a few months. CCP appears to be headed in a similar direction, pushing through changes that the dedicated player base absolutely hates, and that undermine fundamental aspects of the EVE sandbox, such as pay-2-win. I personally don't care to compare the two, even though I've done it in at least one other post. The changes involved in NGE were comprehensive changes including a complete revamp of the combat, class, and profession systems. They changed the essence of the game completely. You can't do that. You must create a new product and aquire a new player base otherwise you gamble with losing all your subscribers. What's happening here is nowhere near the same thing; although, the lack of communication from CCP can most certainly be interpreted negatively, which is both unfortunate and easily remedied. Sony lost their gamble. CCP isn't really gambling with the addition of the Aur and NeX. It's simply an addition to the current game functions. It doesn't break anything. There isn't anything which indicates that they are actively moving toward pay-to-win. They have stated very clearly that vanity items and skins will remain a part of the game for the foreseeable future. Quote: It would have taken all of ten seconds for Hilmar to post that CCP would not consider a pay-2-win model. Anyone at CCP could have done this in the past two days. Yet they have not. And Hilmar's e-mail quite plainly explains that CCP is prepared to watch its most dedicated players walk away in the name of making a quick buck. It's true that all it would take is a quick line stickied to the top of the forum saying "No pay to win, ever." and much of the drama would go away; however, the absence of such a post does not indicate that the opposite is defacto true. All I'm interested in right now is to debunk the mob mentality. It isn't based in actual facts. It is based on an emotional, irrational, half-informed interpretation of something which was not intended for players' eyes...perhaps because players tend to react emotionally, irrationally, and in a half-informed manner to anything which effects their virtual lives. I am not innocent in that charge. It took me until shortly before I posted this topic to try to divest myself of the overriding mob-rage going on. There was something missing from the thought process of the many players who are demanding answers.
Mantreh	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Dobbs Head All I'm interested in right now is to debunk the mob mentality. It isn't based in actual facts. It is based on an emotional, irrational, half-informed interpretation of something which was not intended for players' eyes...perhaps because players tend to react emotionally, irrationally, and in a half-informed manner to anything which effects their virtual lives. I am not innocent in that charge. It took me until shortly before I posted this topic to try to divest myself of the overriding mob-rage going on. There was something missing from the thought process of the many players who are demanding answers Yay ... a level head :)
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Dobbs Head It isn't based in actual facts. It is based on facts. Facts that you and I place different value on, and I do not begrudge you your right to make your own decision on them.
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:27:00 - [42] @Dobbs Head If someone asked you a question and you could honestly say "NO" what reasons would you have for not answering that question? (I am not trolling. I honestly would like to know.)
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Londo Cebb Originally by: Dobbs Head It isn't based in actual facts. It is based on facts. Facts that you and I place different value on, and I do not begrudge you your right to make your own decision on them. Sure, of course you're welcome to do as you please. Facts are true. What facts do you see? Facts without interpretation. Just the facts. I see a leaked newsletter which contains ideas which scare a lot of people. The fact that they are in a newsletter and not a development document means that they are not at all binding on development. That is a fact. Will they influence development? I have no way of knowing, and neither does any other player. The email contains encouragement to CCP staffers to stay the course regardless of the chatter in the channel. That is a fact. What course? Well, a lot of players have decided that the course is a course heading toward pay to win, but there is no evidence of that in the email. Is the newsletter somehow linked to this?? No. Interpreting the email in the light of the newsletter is certainly an error. There is no connection between the two other than they both are private internal items belonging to CCP. One encouraging the employees and the other a non-binding newsletter containing nothing but brainstorming ideas about different things. Now if we had a copy of a developer document that outlined the course then we could interpret the email. Just because they were leaked within a day or so of each other does not mean that we can use the one to interpret the other. Many, many people are doing just that.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Londo Cebb @Dobbs Head If someone asked you a question and you could honestly say "NO" what reasons would you have for not answering that question? (I am not trolling. I honestly would like to know.) I cannot answer for CCP's delay in answering a question coming from many players; however, it doesn't mean that an answer will not be forthcoming. It could be that they decided to wait until Monday. Perhaps some of the calls for vengeance will have quieted by then. As for me? I would not give information to folks whose questions are based on my private correspondence. It's none of your business right now. If it involves you, I will let you know when I'm ready to, but not when you demand an answer after obtaining something which isn't rightfully yours. This has no bearing on CCP, but it certainly helps me to understand one reason why they might not be responding. If I, personally, will refuse to be forced into answering something then I'm sure that there are at least a few others in this world who would do the same.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Regan Rotineque As someone new to EvE I have spent the last bit reading through the forum....I can see so much passion from the community. This is perhaps the first rational and not emotional post I have seen regarding what is happening right now. This is not a criticism of those who are right now fearing the end to EvE as they know it....I can see (from my limited time on EvE) how you have come to love this game and built a strong and vibrant gaming community. I can understand the fear that many have...as someone new to the game I like the fact that all in game items are coming from the community. But I also understand the needs of a business to grow and to expand its revenue base to ensure that it can provide new products to its customer base. CCP has not done a good job explaining itself to the community...and these "leaked" documents and emails are compounding an already bad situation. However as Dobbs has pointed out here....it may be time to take a step back. CCP has already said that they will be responding. Lets give them a chance. Thank you Dobbs for your post. Read the link in my signature.. this is the history and experience with CCP. What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
Token Afrodude Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:38:00 - [46] Just wanted to point out something. If CCP Truly has no intentions of adding pay to win items, Why not tackle that one from the offset? Why the silence? If anything their silence has only stirred the flames even farther than needed or wanted, and to me is all the answer i need. /my 2c A reputation for a thousand years may depend upon the conduct of a single moment. -Ernest Bramah
Balnir Morlemaine BlackWatch Industrial Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:38:00 - [47] I don't even care if "pay to win" items appear in the NEX, so long as: 1) They can be sold on the market for isk, and 2) There is none of this "bind on acquire" or "bind on equip" crap that is seen in other games. If either of these things happen, I will, sadly, be leaving EVE. I really hope they don't happen. I really really do.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:41:00 - [48] You can in theory use buy to win method already in EVE. You can buy high skill point char from bazaar and you can buy ships from other players, and all these can be funded by selling plexes. Only thing you can not buy for real money is actual player skill and that is the thing what prevents pay for win method to work in reality.
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Dobbs Head It's none of your business right now. If it involves you, I will let you know when I'm ready to, but not when you demand an answer after obtaining something which isn't rightfully yours. This has no bearing on CCP, but it certainly helps me to understand one reason why they might not be responding. If I, personally, will refuse to be forced into answering something then I'm sure that there are at least a few others in this world who would do the same. The future of this game did involve me, and you, and everyone else who pays for a subscription. I do not demand an answer, but all it would take to keep me as a customer would be to tell me that it will never happen.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Token Afrodude Just wanted to point out something. If CCP Truly has no intentions of adding pay to win items, Why not tackle that one from the offset? Why the silence? If anything their silence has only stirred the flames even farther than needed or wanted, and to me is all the answer i need. /my 2c I can't say whether or not they truly have no intention of adding pay to win. No one else can either. At no point have I said "There will never be pay to win." I can't possibly know that. On the flip side, no player here can look me in the eye (...or monitor) and say that there is sufficient evidence to boldly proclaim that pay to win is coming to EvE. There isn't sufficient evidence. The facts don't support the interpretation at this time. What I can do is back away for being irrational and look at the facts at hand. If you take away the newsletter with the brainstorming, would anyone be rage quiting? I really don't think so. So, the problem seems to revolve around the interpretation of the newsletter. How much weight does it have in the development process? Does the fact that Soundwave voiced some unpopular ideas mean that EvE is automatically headed toward pay to win? Does it mean that he's a bad guy who should be insulted frequently in exchange for his hard work? Has CCP enacted anything with this expansion which indicates pay to win is coming to EvE? Has anything been stated by any CCP staffer speaking in an official capacity to the player base about pay to win in future expansions? There are a lot of assumptions flying around the forum, and that's unfortunate. This revolves around the newsletter, so we should try to understand the newsletter. There is a disclaimer on it. Perhaps CCP should post the newsletter in the forums with the disclaimer in bold and italics. I'm not sure that would help, though.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Dobbs Head Originally by: Londo Cebb @Dobbs Head If someone asked you a question and you could honestly say "NO" what reasons would you have for not answering that question? (I am not trolling. I honestly would like to know.) I cannot answer for CCP's delay in answering a question coming from many players; however, it doesn't mean that an answer will not be forthcoming. It could be that they decided to wait until Monday. Perhaps some of the calls for vengeance will have quieted by then. As for me? I would not give information to folks whose questions are based on my private correspondence. It's none of your business right now. If it involves you, I will let you know when I'm ready to, but not when you demand an answer after obtaining something which isn't rightfully yours. This has no bearing on CCP, but it certainly helps me to understand one reason why they might not be responding. If I, personally, will refuse to be forced into answering something then I'm sure that there are at least a few others in this world who would do the same. The question for non-vanity items was on the table for weeks now. This newsletter and email only boiled it over and CCP can simply say, yes or no. This needs no decision making besides buying time and getting another month of subscription money in. CCP said they will never offer non-vanity items in Eve. They have an internal newsletter that discusses that option. LOL? And any question regarding a simple answer.. and it is simple is being avoided. Why? What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Bad Messenger You can in theory use buy to win method already in EVE. You can buy high skill point char from bazaar and you can buy ships from other players, and all these can be funded by selling plexes. Only thing you can not buy for real money is actual player skill and that is the thing what prevents pay for win method to work in reality. Ships and items for plex is not stuff out of thin air.. market and trade and scam elements are still working. One big part of the sandbox is intact and involved. What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:55:00 - [53] Edited by: Londo Cebb on 25/06/2011 07:57:14 Nothing irrational about it. If it is even an option I have no interest in supporting this company. Please don't tell me how I should spend my money.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Londo Cebb Originally by: Dobbs Head It's none of your business right now. If it involves you, I will let you know when I'm ready to, but not when you demand an answer after obtaining something which isn't rightfully yours. This has no bearing on CCP, but it certainly helps me to understand one reason why they might not be responding. If I, personally, will refuse to be forced into answering something then I'm sure that there are at least a few others in this world who would do the same. The future of this game did involve me, and you, and everyone else who pays for a subscription. I do not demand an answer, but all it would take to keep me as a customer would be to tell me that it will never happen. Well, you are certainly free to quit over some dev's brainstorming about some different stuff. I'm not quitting until I see it in game, and I still don't see any evidence that it's coming. Even if it does, if it's done well, I might stay anyway. Where the heck am I going to go? World of Warcraft? Guild Wars? WAR? Seriously? I don't think so. EvE is brutal. It will remain brutal. That's its thing. Take that away and you've got nothing. I'm pretty sure that CCP knows that.
Madcapnl The Rising Stars -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:59:00 - [55] Incarna is not about adding content, Incarna is about trying to add revenue. Guess what, the players saw thru that. Now CCP is stuck with massive expenses for developing crap nobody wants, while ****ting all over their core customers. Nice going. This is seriously gonna threaten the future of CCP.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Londo Cebb Edited by: Londo Cebb on 25/06/2011 07:57:14 Please don't tell me how I should spend my money. Wouldn't dream of it. You gotta go to where you want to be. If you don't want to be here, it's none of my business, really.
Grom Starscream Gallente Whistle While You Warp	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:04:00 - [57] To the moron op: They've had plenty of chance to say unequivocally that AUR will never be a "pay to win" situation where you buy actual game impacting things using it. The only reason to avoid immediately squashing that is if you plan on actually implementing it down the road and do not want to be "on the record" as saying you never would. Game. Set. Match.
Londo Cebb Official Market Discussions Troll	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Dobbs Head Originally by: Londo Cebb Originally by: Dobbs Head It's none of your business right now. If it involves you, I will let you know when I'm ready to, but not when you demand an answer after obtaining something which isn't rightfully yours. This has no bearing on CCP, but it certainly helps me to understand one reason why they might not be responding. If I, personally, will refuse to be forced into answering something then I'm sure that there are at least a few others in this world who would do the same. The future of this game did involve me, and you, and everyone else who pays for a subscription. I do not demand an answer, but all it would take to keep me as a customer would be to tell me that it will never happen. Well, you are certainly free to quit over some dev's brainstorming about some different stuff. I'm not quitting until I see it in game, and I still don't see any evidence that it's coming. Even if it does, if it's done well, I might stay anyway. Where the heck am I going to go? World of Warcraft? Guild Wars? WAR? Seriously? I don't think so. EvE is brutal. It will remain brutal. That's its thing. Take that away and you've got nothing. I'm pretty sure that CCP knows that. This is the only MMO I have ever played. I don't need anywhere to go. I am not quitting over some dev's brainstorming. I am quitting over the fact that they will not tell me that it will not happen.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:13:00 - [59] Originally by: Grom Starscream <snipped> They've had plenty of chance to say unequivocally that AUR will never be a "pay to win" situation where you buy actual game impacting things using it. The only reason to avoid immediately squashing that is if you plan on actually implementing it down the road and do not want to be "on the record" as saying you never would. Game. Set. Match. To say that because they won't do "A" automatically means that only "B" is true has no basis in logic.
Dobbs Head EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Londo Cebb Originally by: Dobbs Head Originally by: Londo Cebb Originally by: Dobbs Head It's none of your business right now. If it involves you, I will let you know when I'm ready to, but not when you demand an answer after obtaining something which isn't rightfully yours. This has no bearing on CCP, but it certainly helps me to understand one reason why they might not be responding. If I, personally, will refuse to be forced into answering something then I'm sure that there are at least a few others in this world who would do the same. The future of this game did involve me, and you, and everyone else who pays for a subscription. I do not demand an answer, but all it would take to keep me as a customer would be to tell me that it will never happen. Well, you are certainly free to quit over some dev's brainstorming about some different stuff. I'm not quitting until I see it in game, and I still don't see any evidence that it's coming. Even if it does, if it's done well, I might stay anyway. Where the heck am I going to go? World of Warcraft? Guild Wars? WAR? Seriously? I don't think so. EvE is brutal. It will remain brutal. That's its thing. Take that away and you've got nothing. I'm pretty sure that CCP knows that. This is the only MMO I have ever played. I don't need anywhere to go. I am not quitting over some dev's brainstorming. I am quitting over the fact that they will not tell me that it will not happen. I'll never begrudge you your right to do that.

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