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RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:48:00 - [1] Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 19:50:24 You start off by making it sound like its our fault? And this is a blatant stall tactic. Still trying to get us to Forget about what you guys did. You want us to believe you give a damn about the CSM after ignoring them time and again? All the sudden you want us to magicially belive you give a damn what they say. Its just more PR stunt. The EMAIL needs to be addressed. I want IRL ramifications for the things he said. Not just more talk. And no one believes that Newsletter was just talk. You all just want to wait it out till we forget and proceed as planed. We are watching what you are doing, not what you are saying.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 - [2] Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 19:56:24 Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 19:50:24 You start off by making it sound like its our fault? And this is a blatant stall tactic. Still trying to get us to Forget about what you guys did. You want us to believe you give a damn about the CSM after ignoring them time and again? All the sudden you want us to magicially belive you give a damn what they say. Its just more PR stunt. The EMAIL needs to be addressed. I want IRL ramifications for the things he said. Not just more talk. And no one believes that Newsletter was just talk. You all just want to wait it out till we forget and proceed as planed. We are watching what you are doing, not what you are saying. Also his apology is way too late. And the blog starts off with the wrong tone and excuses. You dont make excuses in a a real apology. Excuses mixed in destroy the sincerity and credibility. When you toss excuses in you dont really believe you should be apologizing at all in most cases. How are those 1000 dollar pants Btw. Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum Also note he said "GOLD AMMO". So when they come back and charge for some type of ammo he can say he told the truth cause its not gold. They are being very clever in not rejecting micros for in game items if you pay attention.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 - [3] Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 20:01:46 They way he wrote no gold ammo does little in the way of taking MTs off the table for in game boosts and goods. He is being a sneaky using literal language to parse his way out of this. Later on when they sell ammo, he can say, But its not gold ammo right guys? TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL Or maybe its a remap, or more slots to store corp fits, or training boosters.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: RougeOperator They way he wrote no gold ammo does little in the way of taking MTs off the table for real goods. He is being a sneaky using literal language to parse his way out of this. Later on when they sell ammo, he can say, But its not gold ammo right guys? TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL Or maybe its a remap, or more slots to store corp fits, or training boosters. No guys Ranger 1 says it explains everything and you're being foolish and manipulated. Why can't you see the wisdom in his words? Seriously, dev blog couldn't have been more clear. He wasn't in any way beating around the bush. Why are u so easily manipulated? No i refuse to be manipulated is what it comes down to. I read everything they say as if they are a lawyer of djinn trying to put one over on me. I assume its like a monkeys paw wish scenario at this point.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:27:00 - [5] Just another blatant stall tactic. And insulting blog once you dissect what it means.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Svennig Ok guys, it's time to give this meeting a chance. I was there in the last thread complaining. I was there in the protests. And now I'm joining the call for a ceasefire here. I'm happy with the answer to MT presented, I'm willing to take them at their word and hope that they move forward with the CSM in good faith. It's time to give diplomacy a chance people, and to take them at their word on MT. Please, please don't manufacture problems based on wording or some other *****s, it makes us look like a bunch of ****s and it's going to make them disinclined to listen to our concerns. Right now, Jaw jaw > war war The meeting is 3 days to late mate. And only stalls this out longer. Its been made pretty freaking clear what we want. They need to roll back on everything. Then have a meeting and decide where to go from there. And actually mean what they say.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 20:35:00 - [7] We should email SONY online entertainment and ask them what they think about their current partner. And how they are now associated with a Second NGE type company. Notice how they avoided the question of NON VANITY items by talking about GOLD AMMO.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 21:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Celebris Nexterra Come on, guys, I'm just as up-in-arms as you are about the possibility of non-vanity items being sold through MT, but they just called an emergency CSM meeting (which I assume is costing THEM money to fly the CSM out there), so they obviously want to make the right move here. Give them a break until we find out what happens with the meeting. The same CSM that told them not to do this in the first place they they completely ignored for a year and a half. Whom ZULU **** all over when he ignored them when he posted the first dev blog. Yeah that will get some results. I wont wait around for it.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 21:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Nishachara Originally by: Idle Bow b) If I remember correctly presentations of CCP's CTO, SONY had invested time (at least time) in DUST 514. They even invited CCP in E3 on SONY's stage. It was quite surprising, as not very typical. Usually they will force you to undress if you want to do something with them. That shows their believe and interest in DUST 514. As things became public, I believe CCP had got more constraints to deal with. Deadlines can be part of that. CCP had invested LOTS money into DUST and imagine what happens when platform provider starts to put it's conditions in current phase of project. I think one of results of this can be declaration of DUST as exclusive to PS (earlier XBOX was in the list), and declaration of exclusiveness had put CCP even in more weak position, so deadlines become damn important and title looses its independence. If you are in trouble with deadlines and do not have capacity to boost work, you need to make fund-rising. That may lead to "real business" in eve. That could also lead to sales of company shares. CCP_Fallout had twitted that deal with SOE isn't being discussed. But usually until the deal is signed, all talks are being kept secret (from employees also). Especially if that is about significant amounts of shares. It is possible that CCP is in damn bad situation because of SONY and no more independent de facto. And SONY on top of CCP could be the worst news for Eve.. Yeah maybe there is something in this... Idk how that works in a software industry, but in some branches of business if you dont meet the deadline you pay reparations...and thats bad...pretty bad. So in a way maybe sony doesnt have ccp (yet) but they have them by the balls in their grip... They chose to get in bed with sony. And they are punishing us as a result of a bad decision. That is not ok with me.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 22:30:00 - [10] Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 22:31:14 Originally by: Angeliq Originally by: Julian Kirov Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums. http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it! This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too. Whats with all the CCP alts posting this. We already explained the fundamental differences and why its not a comparable example a million times over. Or are these the guys CCP hired for their expert opinions? They want us to pay twice or 5 times over for what we already pay for. Thats just crap.

RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.26 22:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Roosterton This is finally good to hear. Anyone who's nitpicking on the "golden ammo" wording is now just clamoring for attention and unwilling to drop the "ccp sucks" bandwagon. You miss the part about EVOLVING, or something.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Zephy Russ We've already scored a win, asking for more would be rather churlish. I'm personally putting down my pitchfork for the time being, and unlike many of you I trust that I'll not have to pick it back up again. Im sorry but what are you smoking that distorts your brain this much?
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Doc Fury That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense. The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced. As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant. Yes we the players get that this is another PR stunt.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 02:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu 20 out of 30 pages, nothing but more whining, complaining, and word twisting. Facts / Simple Opinions: - Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.) - CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus. - Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics. - They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions. - DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively. - Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins. - The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion) - The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness. - The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words. - A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised? Now with that said, I'm in support of CCP, and will keep all my accounts subbed until CCP ever actually breaks a promise or does something wrong. I do not believe that CCP have done anything to lose our trust or faith in them. Those who are unsubscribing have made a very uninformed decision; however, I am not saddened by their departure. Someone who can rush to decisions like that, cursing CCP as they do it, is not someone I want to be playing with. How much did CCP pay you. I want the number in monocles BTW.

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Originally by: Julian KirovHere's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.

Originally by: Julian Kirov

Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!

This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.