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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: vasuul on 27/06/2011 10:45:37
There would be nothing wrong with raising subscription costs by 3 to 5 dollars a month
If ccp would do the following
1. get micro-transactions out of the game they have no place in the sandbox and never will have
2. if you want to add vanity items either seed the bpo's on the market or put em as BPC's in the lp store
3. Give us some new missions and new real content not fluff some fluff is good but keep it with in reason
4. Apologize for being so rude in your dev blogs and not listening to your customers
5. And biggest of all DON'T LIE to us I think by now you have seen we can be a very unruly bunch when we feel we have Been betrayed I can link over 30 news articles that prove that
We don't want to bring on the bad publicity, we love the sandbox of eve. I have been a loyal player since 2007
it doesn't need any other form of currency isk if fine.
The game works there is No reason to dumb it down.Often I hear the new players talking about how long it takes to get this and that, and I laugh saying "yeah i had to walk up hill both ways in the ice storm.You new guys got it easy cause ccp put in an escalator. I had train things called learning skills grind missions for faction standings and to get to certain quality of agents, things y'all don't have to do any more. "
I think about how far this game has evolved and up until this last patch and this talk of microtransactions i was always able to roll with the flow it was all good things granted some of the nerfs made you have to rethink your strategy but it was never a game breaker
Lately I have seen a severe disconnect when it comes to the goals of ccp and its relationship with its player its been growing over the past few years we tell em No please dont do that and they do it anyway
IE sanctums and havens ,loss of agent quality.... etc we have all seen it
anyway I really believe this was the straw that broke the camels back ,and I'm sorry it came to an outright revolt to make em see the will of the people.
So i am sorry if our protests inconvenience your trip to amarr or jita we fight because we believe eve is worth fighting for. It made the news and got ccp enough Bad press to realize there was a problem and hopefully they will try to fix it
And for those of us like me who have unsubbed accounts waiting for an answer We hope ccp listens to what we are trying to say
don't fill our sandbox with concrete
P.S no you can not have my stuffs
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Norian Lonark on 27/06/2011 10:46:52
1. Listen to the community. The community and people who play eve and are dedicated have real passion for EVE and eves vision. Normally "whines" on here dont get that much support, I haven't seen the community united like this on a topic in 4 years of playing so something out of the ordinary is happening.
2. Dont do anything that will impact on the EVE marketplace and economy. One of the most unique things about EVE is the player driven economy thousands of players are showing concern that P2W will damage this. If the marketplace dies than EVE will be on a decline.
3. Expand Incarna and bring more vanity items to the shop with different price points. I have no problems with ship skins, tattoos, monocles things to pimp out your CQ anything infact that is vanity based. If there were some more reasonable price items I would probably buy a plex to convert to aurum to get some.
4. Dont force people to play Incarna. At the moment there is no gameplay for an existing player For a new player I am sure it is a great introduction. Give us the hanger view and an option to disembark. Make people want to disembark by introducing gameplay I am sure this will happen when further expansions.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:46:00 -
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Honestly, what I would do is not free information. I get paid to consult. What little I do offer on these forums are just small things I would like to see happen ever rather than never.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:46:00 -
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The question can't be answers as we know nothing of CCP finances. But one thing is certain, even if finances are sound at CCP, more profit is better than less profit. Therefore, the game is getting MT, in all forms.
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handige harrie
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:54:00 -
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Let CCP Create another board game to fund new games, just like they did with EVE.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:00:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Canuk EroSennin
Well I would suggest the following
1. Sell Vanity Items for decent prices
2. Be able to use AUR to bribe concord/faction officials to raise your faction/concord standing to a Maximum of 0.00
3. Rebalance PLEX/GTC/TIMECODE options to involve a 365 day code, 6 month code, and a 2 month code. (2+6 month only available for Timecode Bazaar)
4. Allow certain authorized people to sell GTC's locally for cash in their region. (To expand the game to those who do not have access to a credit card)
5. The Majority of eve income should go towards the betterment of EVE online.
6. Create 5 SUPERGATES in Jita, Hek, Dodixie, Rens and Amarr which you pay a certain reasonable amount of AUR for a monthly pass to use.
Thats all I can think of at the moment.
in reply to #1 those items can be sold just as easy in the market or the lp store
in reply to #2 Aur has no business in game if you want faction standing grind for it like everyone else
If you dont want to go negative with concord don't be a pirate most pirates see a negative concord standing as a badge of honor
in rely to #6 AUR and microtransactions has no business in game and we not need a nickle and dime sink like it for anything in this game
as for the rest especially #4,#5 yeah good point
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CLONE 9
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:07:00 -
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Let's get this straight - requiring additional revenue for growth is not the same as the company being in financial difficulty. I'm not implying the latter - but speculating the former.
I don't think killing off WoD or Dust will do any good for the company. Let's be pragmatic, wasting investment (especially something that has been announced at E3 on the Sony stage) will only kill off confidence in the company.
It's not unreasonable to expect them to be able to grow the company using the success of the first game. You want investors? You think they don't come with their own agenda? What made EvE great was probably the fact that Company X were not sitting in the background trying to make it a WOW clone.
So here we are.
Let's set some assumptions to clear the waters - because there is a lot of cross topic stuff seeping in here.
Let's assume this thread has some 'nice' pre-requisits:
1 - Hangar view comes back in and CQ and everything associated is an extra option and it's optimised and runs smoothly
2 - Gold Bullets are out of the question and MTs are vanity only
3 - WoD and DUST are here to stay
How do we make more money from here? Here's an idea -
How about vanity at a corporate identity level rather than personal? Your corp gets its own basic office - but you want to pimp that out with fancy corporate stuff, agent booths (where corporate standings allow), military decorations displays, corporate personalised merchandise (Goonfleet hotpants and crop top) etc etc etc - I mean you could really go to town here - all these extra non-advantage things could be paid with by AUR.
Rather than expect the individual to pay - allow corp members the ability to make micro-contributions towards corporate PLEX as a subscription top-up that could feed in to these features.
Good or bad - it's an idea - you guys must have hundreds of constructive ideas that are better. Forget the other arguments that are raging on these forums. No need to duplicate. Instead....
SHOW ME THE MONEY !!!!
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CLONE 9
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 27/06/2011 10:34:35
Turn the MT store into a real store.
Paid for in plex or paypal,etc.
With real items for sale, eve t-shirts
eve mugs dust items t-shirts etc.
Licence the IP out.
Let people produce eve related items, and sell online ingame.
Use the new money to develop dust etc.
And fix eve.
I love this idea - although you'd have to be careful about policing the whole thing. i.e. person A buys a T-Shirt from Shop X ... Person A disputes the quality / delivery of the item etc etc ... who sorts out the mess? Perhaps CCP are happy to manage this - it would be interesting to find out.
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Cedar Locus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:20:00 -
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dust is gonna fail i thinks
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:21:00 -
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I would pay 1 PLEX each for the things below (anything more than that is Absurd) for
1: A new ship skin ( it has to be cool though ccp not look like most of the **** we have today) each skin costs 1plex
2: Permenantly put my Corps logo on all my ships 1plex per corp.
3: Old world war 2 fighters/bombers had cool stickers on them Half naked girls, monsters etc.. I would pay 1plex per design
4: Items for my Bar/CQ etc I would pay 1 plex for 10 items that I myself get to unlock... so I can pick what I want
5: Clothes I would pay 1 Plex to unlock 10 costumes.
6: I would pay 5 plex for personal corp logo..10 plex for alliance logo. My own design.. (it has to fit in EvE lore etc)
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Little Simon
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:25:00 -
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little simon would pay 1 plex to get his poetry broadcast in key stations
after listening, players would thank little simon for the joy he brings
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:33:00 -
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I'd rework the UI from the ground up, it is currently the single biggest entry and retention hurdle.
Then I'd fix all long standing bugs and finish implementing all abandoned features, making everyone happy, encouraging people to do mouth to mouth propaganda for eve again.
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Tautut
The Union Of The Snake
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tautut on 27/06/2011 11:34:52
I like the idea of IP broadcasting in-game. let corporations buy a broadcast license from CCP and pay in AUR, and then broadcast that in-game within the CQ and Incarna environment. Radio stations etc.
I would need support from CCP but it's not monocles or ponies and would really add to the community feel.
The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
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Xylvain
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:46:00 -
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Yes, the game definately has potential, but CCP have proven time and time again that they themselves are most oblivious to what makes their game worth playing. Work is required.
So heres some hints, for starters:
- Dismiss AUR, use ISK.
- Seed BPO/Cs of items and/or have them be produced through PI.
People already spend money on PLEX to turn into ISK, this will give more incentive to do so for people who think they need a monocle. Side-effect: you make a little more money, AND haven't alienated & aggravated your entire customer base within a day.
Be reasonable about CCP internal funding, EvE makes the money, you can choose to use the entirety of profits to fund other projects (that the people who pay you largely don't even want) OR use the profits to fix EvE where it needs fixing, and divert whatever may be left over to new ideas and projects. Again, alienating & aggravating your ONLY customer base is not a good idea. Especially when interested in long-term applicability & goals.
Stop looking into insane qet-rich-quick schemes. Things take time to settle and make an impact. IF EvE were actually fixed in areas people have been complaining about for YEARS, the customer base would naturally, over time increase into more paying accounts, and old ones would be more willing to use money as a subscriptipon tool rather than ISK (PLEX) because the things they can buy with ISK in game actually work and provide them with entertainment.
Stop trying to force half baked ideas down peoples throats (dust...), focuse on quality. I'm sure people would rather a 1 year delayed dust that brings interesting content to both games and hence encourages people to pay for it while not eating up the entirety of EvE profits in its development and turning existing customers against CCP.
Also, complaints have been issued over the same CCP employees mad schemes & useless ideas over and over again, what kind of a person would consistently employ AND give more and more power to the specific people everybody who buys his product hates?
In conclusion: A QUALITY product can demand a price, and people would be willing to pay for it. Create a QUALITY product first - not by stuffing additional useless features into a dying engine but by listening to the needs of your customer base. Do this for 6 months and notice profits starting to roll in. You're a company with an actual product in the real world now, you're not an angry child stomping its feet, and neither are you some kind of thimblerigger. Demanding "MONEY!" to finance "NEW SHINIES!" doesn't cut it anymore.
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CLONE 9
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:47:00 -
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Some good ideas but surely the community have more.
More money making ideas .... more more MORE
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Removing the cash store and giving you stuff for free because you are extra special cuddly customers doesn't make CCP money. If you haven't noticed, the playerbase will rage at everything.
See: Learning skills removed and skillpoints refunded and how did the customers respond? "WTF OMG RUINING THE GAME WATERING IT DOWN OMFG IMMA QUITTIN"
This is a subscription based game there is nothing free about it.
CCP is already making far more ARPU than the games they are trying to emulate because it's a subscription based service.
No one objecting to MT is saying that CCP should be doing things for free we're saying that "WE"RE ALREADY ****ING PAYING THEM" so trying to put a cash shop on top is simply being greedy.
If they don't think they are making enough off each of us then they should raise the subscription prise.
If they really want to make money though the best thing to do is to improve the game itself. Create a real Incarna expansion complete with interactive multi-player content.
Incarna had the potential to be a real gold mine by attracting all those people who've steered away from the game because they "need" to have an avatar to feel a part of the game. A solid product in that regard would have probably doubled the current subscriber base.
But no they just want to milk existing PAYING customers.
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Ion Sky
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:07:00 -
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me!! i do following the 10 point plan
1.Keep the NEX store,lower the prices and flood it with vanity items
2.Release furniture and other knickknacks for CQ via NEX(posters,model ships ect.)
3.Expand station environment "SE" to include a Main Plaza and Casino
4.Introduce mini-games to the casino (Eve poker,roulette,slots ect.)payed with AUR
5. Expand further on 'SE' (Bar,Corp HQ ect.)all with more AUR purchasable items available for them
6.Release paint jobs for ships (1 run BPC)
7. Fix all problems we've had for ages FW,Hybrids,Lag,Sov etc.
8. Bring out new content for spaceships in space (T3 frigates ect.)
9.Advertise EVE with yet another flashy video
10. Watch new players stream in and old players be satisfied (hopefully coz they're hard to please)with the fixes/new content
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Argus Kell
Gallente
Blackwatch Highlanders
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:16:00 -
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I'm all for threads like this, but I'm excited about Dust and I think WoD could be pretty cool too.
Here's the thing: One-Of-The-Most-Successful-MMO-Creators-For-Over-A-Decade (A.K.A. CCP for anyone who didn't know that already) probably knows how to keep a business afloat, fund new products and manage expectations a lot better than any armchair "business person" here.
You're like the people who second guess the government all the time. You think it's soooo easy because in theory, it is, but I imagine this huge successful corporation has already considered your solutions, thought of something you didn't and decided against it.
At the end of the day, wake up. They know what they're doing. Just because immediately everybody is throwing a tantrum because they can't understand why Daddy's doing something they don't like, doesn't mean Daddy doesn't know best :P
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hatchet Q
- Drop aurum. CCP should exchange it for ISK.
- Make current vanity items cost isk.
- Upgrade eve-online store (RL items!)
- Make items more expensive if necessary.
- Purchasing RL items will give you special codes, that lets you claim vanity items. For example - purchasing Apocalypse model, will get you a non-tradable paint kit for your ingame apocalypse. Purchasing RL t-shirt will give you code to claim such shirt for your avatar, etc...
- Eve trading game cards? Where did those go?
- Purchasing a deck gives you a small chance of getting special (extra-rare) vanity items. Pirate eye-patch for your avatar? Yarr!
+1 for this guys ideas, his proposal would make me happy
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Jacoba Stalker
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CLONE 9
First things first - we wouldn't be complaining if the core game wasn't worth defending.
None of us can really say that EvE Online is anything short of amazing - and unique.
The real issue we're looking at here is one of finance and revenue.
CCP have obviously made big investments recently in terms of infrastructure to support this unique and groundbreaking unsharded universe and also development of WoD and Dust.
I don't think for one second that CCP really think selling monocles enhances the gameplay experience for 95% of players. Surely it's their way of adding a new much needed revenue stream. The next step then is 'gold plated bullets' - which CCP have advised will NOT be part of the game. My guess is that CCP would have naturally explored this until they met resistance - i.e. squeeze until the community screamed - but the community have been astute and already shouted long and hard - hence the 'no golden bullet' statement. I may be being a bit insincere here but we can only speculate at the moment.
So - assuming that we want this game to work, what suggestions do you have to increase revenue?
I don't think an increase in subscription is the best way to go. Rather than hit the entire player base, it needs to be something that allows people with spare cash to burn to purchase without impacting the balance of the game.
Personally - I think vanity items (monocles / ship skins / fancy pants) is only part of the story but I want to hear your 'impact free' money making ideas to solve the underlying issue. MONEY !!!!
Wish CCP had done this, but here it goes.
1st things first. EVE caters to a generally small portion of the gaming industry. How to change that is actually rather simple.
No matter where you go in today's MMORPG's, it's the same (except here)
One big strength that EVE has is you don't have "The Grind". I swear if I have to "go here, kill this, loot that, rinse repeat" in one more game I'm going to go nuts. EVE doesn't have that problem.
So, how to expand on that. The solution (IMHO) is quite simple.
Alot of people won't play here because there are no "characters". Incarna, at least I thought, was going to address that issue.
First Person walk arounds, First person interactions between PEOPLE, can and will bring more customers in without impacting the base game at ALL.
Incarna did not go far enough quick enough. Whooptee freakin doo, we have a captains quarters. Can't do a thing with it, can't go anywhere, can't invite anyone else into it. But we have pretty blinkin lights and interactive screens.
Good start but not near enough. This needs to go Universe wide.
What I mean by that is this. Wherever people can step out of their pods, LET THEM.
Stations, Planets, Moons, Base Stations, whatever. Can you imagine all of the new places to explore and mine at on planets that so diverse that you would spend a lifetime exploring them all.
This doesn't have to be done all at once, that's not what I'm suggesting.
But even hazardous planets can be made explorable with the right equipment (there's a clue for you sherlock, planet side space suits to sell in the NEX. No "advantage" there, just fun and CCP gets more money).
I'm sure there are many options, but CCP needs to look at doing something that NOBODY has done before. THAT will make them money.
Seamless transport between space and planetary surface.
I for one would LOVE to be able to "fly" my ship to the planets surface through the atmosphere, then get out and explore it.
Would anyone else?
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 -
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the op has got it right,.... since 2003 when ccp started eve its been running at a loss,. they failed to make the sub cost higher enough to cover the running of the servers,.. so much so that since 2003 eve has'nt had any expansions due to lack of funds for further development.
its only now they realised it,. poor ccp.
i only wish i had more eyes to accomidate more monocles to help out this poor poverty stricken ccp.
plex for good,. plex for ccp!!!
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Joiske
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hatchet Q
- Drop aurum. CCP should exchange it for ISK.
- Make current vanity items cost isk.
- Upgrade eve-online store (RL items!)
- Make items more expensive if necessary.
- Purchasing RL items will give you special codes, that lets you claim vanity items. For example - purchasing Apocalypse model, will get you a non-tradable paint kit for your ingame apocalypse. Purchasing RL t-shirt will give you code to claim such shirt for your avatar, etc...
- Eve trading game cards? Where did those go?
- Purchasing a deck gives you a small chance of getting special (extra-rare) vanity items. Pirate eye-patch for your avatar? Yarr!
this i like, good idea tbh
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Valei Khurelem
If I were in charge at CCP
. I would immediately remove the item store and put these items out for free on the customization screen so that people can use them when they like since they already paid for them through subscriptions and PLEX
. Look through the logs of the gamemasters and support staff and fire people who have been unnecessarily rude and patronising to customers
. Introduce a hotfix that sets the Captain's Quarters off by default and allows people to turn it on if they want it, that includes any extra space station interiors later on
. Start a thread that allows people to post the balance complaints officially and report any bugs or problems with the latest expansion, I would also kick the QA staff into gear and have them give me reports on what to fix so we can at least get things in working order
. I would apologise to the playerbase and admit it is a bad idea and paying such ridiculous sums of money for a pair of virtual pants or monocles is not an option for those who are already paying for the game itself
. To prevent anything more stupid from happening I would get rid of CSM ( yeah you heard me ) and actually make it compulsory to log on the forums or the game itself for at least one hour a week and talk to players or play the game and find out if there is anything wrong rather than use CSM as an extra PR group to make it seem as if players are being listened to
The reason CCP and EVE has become such a disaster is not just because of the expansion or the store, it is because of the complete and blatant abandonment of not only work ethic but also business ethic. If you can't understand that you are delivering a game, a work of art, to the player base and not just a mass-produced product designed to make money. Then you not only shouldn't be in the games industry and should stay the hell away from it, but you should also never purchase a single game again, because it shows you simply haven't got any interest in the way games work and how the customers experience them.
HIRE THIS PERSON!
Seriously i couldnt have put it any better.
I will just add that perpetuum is gaining eve players like crazy even thouh
A) it has a horrible character creator
B) its not flying but eve with robots
Why? Things like, after 15 minutes into the tutorial at 1 am i had a GM private message me, asking what i thought and if he could help.
Its not double billing me.
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CAS 101
Where is my Lab Coat? Monacle??? How about Items and Coats f |
Frank Corncob
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:32:00 -
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Sell faction standings.
Rules:
Positive standings required.
Only 4 major empires. That means NO pirate faction, sisters of eve, concord, interbus, w/e
No research agent corps. Lai Dai, etc..
You "buy" a storyline mission for the appropriate level you can run. The corp that owns the station is the corp that gives you a storyline.
BAM
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FuzzyLogik360
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Murev Vorchilde
Edited by: Murev Vorchilde on 27/06/2011 09:09:16
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games
You fail at business. Your fired!
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:33:00 -
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I just tossed this idea out last night, still has a few angles that need to be covered, but it's thee basics.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540507
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Iosue on 27/06/2011 17:34:19
i work in commercial credit transactions IRL and unfortunatley see businesses fail all the time. it's amazing, but a good percentage of those that fail aren't because there's no income. many fail because their owners see they have a cash cow and decide to use their surplus/reserves for other STUPID ideas.
that great resturaunt that was killing it ended up failing because the owner wanted to open another resturant with a different concept that ended up sucking up all the income from the profitable one. That strip center is going under because the owner wasn't able to complete that new shopping mall in the middle of nowhere and now has to rely on their existing cashflow to support the failling business.
the writing's on the wall dudes, CCP is in over their heads...
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Xavier Liche
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:39:00 -
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My sense is that EVE brings in, and has brought in a lot of trial accounts. Perhpas millions, the ads are all over the place.
However:
1. I don't think the rate of conversion from trial to paid is high enough
2. I don't think most new players survive the first 6 months
I don't think these are because of issues many would think, like getting ganked, I think it is just a hard game to get started and understand and it is very hard to make the jump out of high sec in a figurative sense.
I would try to support the growth of new players with tools and content that teaches them the skills they really need to flourish in EVE. Like a career path to 0.0
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Cocomomo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:39:00 -
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I would make space PEW PEW FUN
Awesome combat graphics, cinematic
-missile animation
-a miss = miss graphically
-readjust perspective
LUA interface, good for players and the company.
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lucilla Giulia on 27/06/2011 17:41:25
i'd agree with the ones sayin: stop one of the 2 others projects they'r tryin to pay "milking" their main trend
sadly is not up to us, like intended of course
what's up to us is write on paper (well forums) what we as actual payin customers want for the product they r givin us
and if the product ends developing in a way we don't like..well stop buyin it.
"funny" stuff that might actually bring to first option...
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