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Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 166	Posted - 2012.09.17 13:02:00 - [91] - Quote Malka Badi'a wrote: Doc Severide wrote: I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work... Alright, fish **. Let's get something straight. Buying a PLEX:**$19.00 per month, or the standard special of $209.94 for 12 plexes. Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or the standard special of $131.40 for 12 months. The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could. Citations: https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (limited special running right now, still more expensive than a subscription) Geez...You on the rag Mary???
RomeStar Astra Research 46	Posted - 2012.09.17 13:10:00 - [92] - Quote When CCP stops selling plex that is a sign that EVE is being closed. The question remains what sort of timeframe will ccp give the player base inorder for them to use up what plex they have. You will see a mass selloff of plex both in-game and in RL and at cheap prices. I personally dont plex my account because I dont have too but I do know some players personally who have enough plex to pay for multiple accounts for years. It was espically funny when that studio 38 declared banruptcy and I decided to don my tinfoil hat and told him that could happen to CCP without warning. He sold off a good chunk of his plex just incase it did so he wasnt left holding the bag. TLDR- CCP ends Plex = End of game Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Idris Helion University of Caille Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2012.09.17 13:28:00 - [93] - Quote I think PLEX has been a good thing, both for CCP and for the players. As can be seen from many replies up-thread, it's a way for less wealthy players to stay in the game and a way for wealthier but time-constrained players to achieve their goals in-game. I sub by the year because using PLEX to pay for game time doesn't make financial sense. At the rate PLEX is selling for now, using PLEX for game-time means paying about a 25% premium over paying a yearly sub (in USD, anyway). Poorer players have more time than money, so the time-cost is not as high to them as it is to players with jobs and families in RL. It's actually a pretty neat idea, and I salute CCP for this novel solution to the RMT problem. PLEX does have some problems though. As a tradeable in-game good, it's prone to speculation and hoarding. If a player pays for his/her sub with PLEX, it tends to introduce a level of grind into the game that is not fun -- 500M ISK may not be a lot to some, but it's a substantial chunk of money to a lower-level toon, or to someone who's running three or four accounts. It can lead to a vicious spiral: grinding ISK to buy PLEX to play EVE to grind ISK to buy PLEX to.... EVE is meant to be entertainment, not a full-time (and unpaid) job. PLEX is an interesting way to provide a "free to play" model without actually making the game FTP. It's been pretty successful so far, so I doubt CCP is going to end the program any time soon.
Yishna Strone Realm Kore Developments Interstellar Trade Federation 0	Posted - 2012.09.17 13:44:00 - [94] - Quote I like this game. I pay for my accounts every 6 months. Removing plex would make no difference to me.
The Antiquarian Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 568	Posted - 2012.09.17 14:36:00 - [95] - Quote Nonsense. CCP will never remove PLEX. PLEX should never be removed.
MadMuppet Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS 552	Posted - 2012.09.17 14:40:00 - [96] - Quote For me, PLEX was removed from the game when it broke 350 million isk a unit. There is nothing wrong with the mechanic of it, it is basically a work contract with another player, but people are convinced it is a massively unfair cheating mechanism. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy.
HellFish Holding Hell-Fish inc 2	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:17:00 - [97] - Quote Chicken drumsticks.
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 260	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:07:00 - [98] - Quote Yeah sure I'd carry on playing. I'd miss PLEX but it's not the game. I never understood why most players with an average job would not just pay to play the game unless they are in a position to earn ISK effortlessly enough to just not case about spending it on PLEX. I've heard people say things like "I could easily afford to pay but I just like grinding to play for free" before and it's never really hit home. I guess there is some sense of acheivement or bragging rights to say you "play for free". The fact that is sometimes overlooked in this area of discussion is that every PLEX was bought by a player. So regardless of whether you play by paying CCP directly or by grinding for a plex, someone somewhere paid CCP for that game time. Would CCP get rid of PLEX? No chance - they are actually making more money on PLEX than on direct payment. Check your Account Management page; PLEX prices are higher than directly paid for game time. PLEX is here to stay and making CCP a lot of money. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Denidil Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations 518	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:10:00 - [99] - Quote Doc Severide wrote: Sugar Kyle wrote: I pay my accounts by the year. Sugar you're so cute... I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work... CCP gets paid via PLEX wtf is it with people and not understanding that PLEX or sub is still money in CCP's pocket? DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PLEX WORKS? Player 1 buys X-day GTC <--- CCP GETS MONEY Player 1 converts X-day GTC into (x/30) PLEXes Player 1 Posts (x/30) PLEXes on the market Other players buy PLEX Other players use PLEX in fact CCP gets MORE MONEY from plex than it does from subs. my three accounts are all yearly paid - and they give you about a 40% discount for doing that. Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Denidil Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations 518	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:16:00 - [100] - Quote Ryhss wrote: Paul Oliver wrote: Ryhss wrote: I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed. Why because you might have to work for your isk instead of buying it? No, because with PLEX I play for free. no you don't. how long does it take you to earn the 400m-500m for a plex? Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
highonpop Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension 304	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:17:00 - [101] - Quote I would still be here. I rarely use plex. I have 2 accounts that I pay for month-to-month on my CC. Have been doing this for years. I don't care to pay several months in advance, I dont care to use in game ISK to pay for PLEX for game time. The only time I generally purchase PLEX is if I HAVE to get something big that I dont have the ISK for and can not wait to get it. Then, I will buy just 1 or 2 PLEX and sell them in Jita from my highsec alt. People who rely on purchasing and selling plex as their means of ISK income suck at EVE and probably don't enjoy it very much. I see no problems with people who are really good at making ISK in game to PLEX their accounts, I just don't do it. I'm not that dedicated to ratting. I know guys that use a tengu with carrier support (fighter drones) that rat for hours on end and make several billion a week. Just no my cup-o-tea. http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 261	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:41:00 - [102] - Quote Sugar Kyle wrote: I pay my accounts by the year. Same here. Also, yet another peron who doesn't know how plex works. CCP is paid when you buy the plex, not when it's used.
SealteamXI Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:52:00 - [103] - Quote Isn't PLEX actually cheaper than sub when you buy GTC and convert them?
Barakach R-ISK Shadow Operations. 78	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:15:00 - [104] - Quote Plex only worse as a vessel to allow people to swap in-game time for out-of-game time. I've been making about 250m isk/day for the past few months. I could afford about 15 plex/month on that average. There is no way I could afford $300 in plex/month. In the end, the system balances itself. Plex is a zero-sum game. All it really does is shuffle ISK around.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4622	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:19:00 - [105] - Quote Ashera Yune wrote: Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy. Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace. In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW. Would you still be playing? Would you have as many accounts as you currently have? IIRC, approximately 1/3 of EVE acccounts use PLEX for gametime. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Vulture Capitalists think PLEX are a bloody marvellous idea. As do I. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4622	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:19:00 - [106] - Quote SealteamXI wrote: Isn't PLEX actually cheaper than sub when you buy GTC and convert them? No, they're more expensive. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Nub Sauce State War Academy Caldari State 54	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:53:00 - [107] - Quote I'd still be playing and it wouldn't bother me at all. I'm against RMT, actually. I make enough money in about an hour to sub all of my accounts for a month. There's no way I'd grind for isk to pay for plex.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 582	Posted - 2012.09.17 18:06:00 - [108] - Quote None of us actually know how many would continue to play. Sometimes, the obvious just needs to said. You want fries with that?
Natasha Taggart 2	Posted - 2012.09.17 18:10:00 - [109] - Quote if this game is soooooooo expensive youll emoragequit over paying for it, then get on sucker, leave the universe to me!!! Leave me your stuff please, I need more "stuff"!
Plaude Pollard Crimson Cartel 76	Posted - 2012.09.17 18:13:00 - [110] - Quote I would certainly stay. I've never had a single PLEX run through my inventory, mostly because I have better things to waste my ISK on. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info.
Hauling Hal The Black Ops Black Core Alliance 90	Posted - 2012.09.17 18:46:00 - [111] - Quote If you understood the purpose of PLEX, you wouldn't have asked such a stupid question. PLEX is an extremely clever idea by CCP.
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 3	Posted - 2012.09.17 18:55:00 - [112] - Quote PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it. But my personal experience with it is this: I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days. I tried again, but RL blocked me again. The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial. This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it. The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate. But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers. Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it. But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers. I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks. I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser. And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for. And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate. TL;DR PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 582	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:08:00 - [113] - Quote Cat Troll wrote: PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it. But my personal experience with it is this: I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days. I tried again, but RL blocked me again. The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial. This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it. The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate. But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers. Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it. But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers. I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks. I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser. And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for. And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate. TL;DR PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends. Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX. why play Eve when you can just buy Eve? You want fries with that?
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 3	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:13:00 - [114] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Cat Troll wrote: PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it. But my personal experience with it is this: I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days. I tried again, but RL blocked me again. The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial. This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it. The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate. But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers. Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it. But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers. I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks. I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser. And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for. And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate. TL;DR PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends. Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX. why play Eve when you can just buy Eve? You seem to not understand my point. A. it helps newbie players to keep up with the veterans B. it helps people with not enough time on their hands It can be taken either way, but as long as the ISK isn't poping out of nowhere but someone is actually paying for it, its ok IMHO. I'm now enjoying much more the game, much sooner than if I had to grind for the money.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 582	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:38:00 - [115] - Quote I respect and understand you point of view. But for me, buying PLEX to avoid what you call 'grinding' I call 'buying' Eve rather than playing/grinding Eve to get enough isk to buy ships etc. Yes, I do see the need for PLEX. It is great (apart from the financial benefits to CCP) for those players who may have limited play time and only want tp pvp etc. Still, each to their own I suppose. You want fries with that?
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 3	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:41:00 - [116] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I respect and understand you point of view. But for me, buying PLEX to avoid what you call 'grinding' I call 'buying' Eve rather than playing/grinding Eve to get enough isk to buy ships etc. Yes, I do see the need for PLEX. It is great (apart from the financial benefits to CCP) for those players who may have limited play time and only want tp pvp etc. Still, each to their own I suppose. And that's how arguing on the internet should be done. At this point one of us would be trolling and name calling to try and convince the other side that their opinion is true. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Webvan State War Academy Caldari State 69	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:45:00 - [117] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Webvan wrote: The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling? Yes, having less cash inflow when you have to pay interest is just fine as long as the interest is for the other thing... It was for the launch of DUST. I don't think they even really needed the loan. It used to be that many loans were backed with full collateral or full coverage for the loan in the bank, as opposed to what led to the housing crash in the US. This is good for building a better credit rating for the future, making CCP a better risk for future investors. When they start to focus in on WoD, fully funded, it'll be at less risk to the survival of the company. But this whole thread is just another take on "EVE is dieingGäó" heh
ugh zug 52	Posted - 2012.09.17 21:06:00 - [118] - Quote Evil Incarn8 wrote: I would rejoice. PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory. this, but it will never happen. ccp makes too much money off its' in house pay to win scheme. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil.
Peter Tjordenskiold 20	Posted - 2012.09.17 21:40:00 - [119] - Quote Buying plex is a sort of pay to win. Some pilots never learned to make ISK ingame. I don't care whether they make ISK with grinding, scamming, trading or mining. Making ISK should be an essential part of the game
Arbiter Reformed Analog Folk 52	Posted - 2012.09.17 22:42:00 - [120] - Quote had a mate who plexed 17 accounts a year lulz

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