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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.18 00:07:00 -
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Malka Badi'a wrote:Mars Theran wrote:-Uninformed opinion masked as a novel- The cute thing here is that you assume that 500m ISK is a lot for most ISK-grinders to reach each month. That's 16.6m ISK per day. Mission runners sneeze that in an hour, excluding LP and salvage. Wormhole pilots get that just for remembering their EVE password. If 16.6m ISK per day is a difficult process for you to sustain, on top of cooking, cleaning, and having a job/family then perhaps you should reevaluate your choice to play a video game with your ******* forehead.
You should reread my 3rd paragraph.
I know how easy it can be to make ISK in EVE, having achieved 100-150 million an hour at one point when I wanted it. Granted it had its limitations as you couldn't continuously make that amount, but when you could you did, and it was well worth it. Not much more than a few hours a week or more, but still there and possible for those doing it.
Probably more now, given some recent changes in the in-game economy. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
16
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:23:00 -
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Why should I give CCP my hard-earned money, when I can get some other poor sap to do it for me? Passive ISK income FTW.
3x Accounts PLEXed, haven't given CCP a dime since early 2008.
TY, Plex sellers. |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
91
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:25:00 -
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Since I'm 16, I don't have a job, yet the money from my internships has more than payed for all my many game subscriptions for many months and years to come.
I pay yearly for EVE for two accounts, and plan on expanded out with PLEXs
I pay yearly for 1 WoW account
I pay yearly for 1 Runescape account
I have a massive game library in Steam and Origin.
PLEX's are just CCPs way of keeping the bittervets ''Somewhat" subscribed, not to mention let other players like me expand to have many accounts.
All though much has to be said if the bittervets are the problem with EvE or not, considering it might be nice to have some progress with out the constant grumpy old grandpa fan base yelling about "back in my day" every 2 minutes. |
Zeran Kariashi
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:45:00 -
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Probably leave. The main reason I don't mind the ridiculously long training times where your character doesn't progress at all for 2 months is because it isn't costing me any actual money to do so. When I'm paying a subscription with real money I feel almost obligated to try and play as much as possible to get my money's worth, and unfortunately my character isn't the most exciting one to play, so I tend to get bored shortly after hitting my quotas and then seeing that huge month+ training queue has barely been dented. |
Pierced Brosmen
Obstergo Exhale.
105
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:52:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. So do I. I played before there was PLEX and I'd continue to play if the PLEX went away. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2012.09.18 10:42:00 -
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Peter Tjordenskiold wrote:Buying plex is a sort of pay to win. Some pilots never learned to make ISK ingame. I don't care whether they make ISK with grinding, scamming, trading or mining. Making ISK should be an essential part of the game Not really, you don't get anything you can't get without paying. An example for pay to win: Golden ammo in world of tanks. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Sanderton
2plus2isfive BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:03:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:I would still play only if my drake got 10 missile hardpoints and shield recharge rate was 1.5x current. Otherwise, I'd move on to WoW.
You consider WoW a viable alternative for EVE? You sir suck ^^
*To the point>
Removing PLEXes would surely have some ups and downs. At least I'd be rich in-game not having to plex 3 accounts but then again I could only afford to pay for 1 IRL. A lot of alts would disappear for sure. < Not necessarily a bad thing.
PLEX or not nothing can keep me away from EVE (for now :> ). |
TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:11:00 -
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I would probably cancel/deactivate my alt, but i will play with my main even if PLEX will be removed. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
156
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:32:00 -
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Sanderton wrote: A lot of alts would disappear for sure. < Not necessarily a bad thing.
This.
I think all in all PLEX is an okay-ish deal between ISK-workers and RL workers, but besides that I think it's still far too cheap. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:29:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX.
why play Eve when you can just buy Eve?
I disagree with this mainly because winning in EVE doesn't mean having the most expensive stuff; it's having the best skills.
Yes, you can buy a skilled-up toon, but if you want to skill up a toon you already have, the only way to do that is time.
EVE is the only MMO I can think of where RMT doesn't really impact the core gameplay mechanic all that much -- you can have the best gear the game has to offer and still suck if your skills aren't up to snuff. And it's not just skill points, either: as many players have stated, EVE is won or lost in the fitting window, and in the strategies and skills players bring to the game.
EVE is unique among most online games in that player skill actually matters to your progression in the game: I may be able to afford a Titan, and technically have the skills to fly one, but that doesn't mean I'll be competent at it. (In fact, it probably means some opposing fleet is simply going to get a cheap killmail in the first engagement my Titan enters.)
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:18:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad... Good thing npc alt ~opinions~ don't matter . The likes I get say otherwise. Besides that's old and tired fool..parroted by old and tired fools.... I got 9 toons and they all think the same thing. The world is full of "I can't afford it but I damn well got the RIGHT to have it anyway" people. If your too bloody cheap to pay for the game when you can then you don't really want to play...and good riddance when you leave...
Yeah npc alt ~opinions~ still don't matter try again. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |
Clone 851912
Heaven's End League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:41:00 -
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I would continue playing as a have been since '03. |
Area51
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:11:00 -
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I would still play but prolly just one account now. (I currently have 2) I'm from a little asian country and for a while PLEX was the only way for me to pay. |
Natasha Taggart
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:57:00 -
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I think your seeing it wrong, its not "pay to win"... Its pay to lose!
Sure some noob can buy a battleship or whatever, but its not like they have the skill to really fly it properly and keep it from exploding. They pay for the game, pay for plex too, lose ships left right and center... eventually quit playing because its too expensive for a losing hobby... who cares if they can get fast ISK, its a sinkhole for ISK anyway thats attached to that type of player, and a huge boon to the indy pilots, and miners who are sending goods to market head to help maintain the flow of ships and such for a ISK rich crowd.
Who cares, let them buy plex, I'll end up with alot of it, and so can anyone else who plans it right... Its not about what you can buy, or destroy... its about what you can KEEP! at lest imho.
Space kitty loves other pilots plex, keep buying!!! |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:59:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Webvan wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill. There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today. Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous. There's no question about it really. The server existed with far less players on it before, but that was on a smaller server, and pre loan. Post loan they openly admitted that the Incarna exodus almost broke them. A PLEX exodus would trump the Incarna rage by several magnitudes. The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling?
Yes when they don't pay the loans and the server that is collateral for said loan is repossessed it wont have any affect on tranquility.
Sigh. The sky is not falling. This is a hypothetical, and a terrible one at that.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad... Good thing npc alt ~opinions~ don't matter . The likes I get say otherwise. Besides that's old and tired fool..parroted by old and tired fools.... I got 9 toons and they all think the same thing. The world is full of "I can't afford it but I damn well got the RIGHT to have it anyway" people. If your too bloody cheap to pay for the game when you can then you don't really want to play...and good riddance when you leave... Yeah npc alt ~opinions~ still don't matter try again. Says who? You? Your just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. Just like me...and everyone else...and I got lots of likes so FO...lolol |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:20:00 -
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If PLEX (probably THE cash cow that lets eve continue and expand to the point it has) goes away, I'd surely go from 4 accounts to maybe 2 (or one and just become a cyno beggar for my carrier lol).
I do get a kick at the folks who talk about how easy it is to pay with cash, the whole "2 hamburgers a month" thing. What they don't get is that every single individual experiences different circumstances and preferences.
Under the circumstances I could not justify to myself or my family a 60 dollar a month bill to play a game with 12 characters, not when we are trying to save for college and put other cash away for other things. And overtime? any overtime I get goes to the same goals.
I work in law enforcement, like hell I'm going to sign up for extra shifts to deal with knuckle heads and tweakers so i can play a video game. I'd much rather spend that time at home drinking beer shooting the **** with some bros on comms while doing Incursions or exploring to get the isk to keep playing the game.
What I DO have in abundance is TIME because of my wacky work schedule, time when the wife is at work or away on business, when the kids are at school or with my parents or in-laws, or when I take some of the mandatory "well being leave" my employer makes us take to get away from the stress of the job. Many people find EVE PVE boring, but after a 10 hour shift of dealing with pure human crap, it's down right relaxing.
PLEX lets me turn that free time into game time. It's literally one of the coolest things about EVE.
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Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:If PLEX (probably THE cash cow that lets eve continue and expand to the point it has) goes away, I'd surely go from 4 accounts to maybe 2 (or one and just become a cyno beggar for my carrier lol).
I do get a kick at the folks who talk about how easy it is to pay with cash, the whole "2 hamburgers a month" thing. What they don't get is that every single individual experiences different circumstances and preferences.
Under the circumstances I could not justify to myself or my family a 60 dollar a month bill to play a game with 12 characters, not when we are trying to save for college and put other cash away for other things. And overtime? any overtime I get goes to the same goals.
I work in law enforcement, like hell I'm going to sign up for extra shifts to deal with knuckle heads and tweakers so i can play a video game. I'd much rather spend that time at home drinking beer shooting the **** with some bros on comms while doing Incursions or exploring to get the isk to keep playing the game.
What I DO have in abundance is TIME because of my wacky work schedule, time when the wife is at work or away on business, when the kids are at school or with my parents or in-laws, or when I take some of the mandatory "well being leave" my employer makes us take to get away from the stress of the job. Many people find EVE PVE boring, but after a 10 hour shift of dealing with pure human crap, it's down right relaxing.
PLEX lets me turn that free time into game time. It's literally one of the coolest things about EVE.
Never looked at it that way. I guess some people really can't (well in your case, shouldn't) deal with 15 dollars a month for a single character. In the end, CCP gets their money, so no harm is done. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1120
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:14:00 -
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Not only would I still play if PLEX were removed from the game, I'd probably enjoy it a lot more. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:11:00 -
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Confirming that i would still play if PLEX didn't exist.
I went through a poor period of my life where PLEX were awesome, allowing me to keep playing eve even though i didn't have any cash. Took hours of chain ratting in null to do it, but it was worth it to keep playing this awesome game. PLEX's are definately one of the best additions to EvE!
Now i'm flush with cash, i'd rather keep all my well earned isk, and i've even bought a bunch of PLEX to sell for isk. That carrier wasn't going to pay for itself. |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.09.21 15:29:00 -
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Adoro wrote:Jamie Banks wrote:I would drop down to 1 character.
And I would play the game for the games sake instead of playing the game to pay my subscription to play the game. This. I pay EVE with cash exactly for this reason. Also I'm not a poor student sod IRL so why spend time on making EVE money whilst I can make a lot more money in real life 10 times faster and just pay? Time = Money 1 hour rl works equals atleast one month of EVE sub. I find it hard to make 500mil (1 plex) in the same time
Or , why spend rl money while you are making more then enough ingame money to pay for it.Now if you need to 'grind' then i can see the point but if you enjoy an activity wich allready creates more then enough to cover ingame expenses(shiplosses etc) and still have isk left i'd go with plex everyday. The surest way to remain poor is to be an honest man ...-á |
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:32:00 -
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Um, yeah, CCP makes a ton of money off PLEXs. In the event that CCP went bonkers (well, more bonkers) and decided that they didn't like having money, I would probably not be running so many accounts. I'd dump the less-useful alts and consolidate down to one account, possibly two.
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Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:47:00 -
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Never bought, sold, used, looted or owned PLEX... so wouldn't matter to me at all if it was removed.
I just pay for my 3 accounts. It's very little money per month when it comes down to it and I'd rather spend the ISK I get on PVP-ships. |
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