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Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:39:00 - [1] 53 THOUSAND players online today like your game. A couple of Dozen are so mad with rage FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, They've resorted to shooting Imaginary Statues, with Imaginary Ordinances, From Their Imaginary Spaceships to Prove an Imaginary Point. If I were you I'd listen to the 53 THOUSAND PLAYERS Instead. Thank you in Advance and Cheers CCP. Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel
Luxing Weiz	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:39:00 - [2] They are already following your advice, that's what the rage is about.
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp Sons of EvE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON???????
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Tobiaz on 27/06/2011 10:41:51 If only we could spend Aurum to mute people like the OP... CCP would be rich. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Johny Fuckkin Dango	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Johny **kin Dango on 27/06/2011 10:42:36 Originally by: Ri**ulo Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON??????? were else would u get the money? charging for expansions?
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Ri**ulo Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON??????? Weve had P2W MT with Plex for years, and theyre mad that some player out there would DARE to buy a monocle for RL Money ROFL, u gotta be kidding me. Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Peter XZ 53 THOUSAND players online today like your game. A couple of Dozen are so mad with rage FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, They've resorted to shooting Imaginary Statues, with Imaginary Ordinances, From Their Imaginary Spaceships to Prove an Imaginary Point. If I were you I'd listen to the 53 THOUSAND PLAYERS Instead. Thank you in Advance and Cheers CCP. Still trolling I see.
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp Sons of EvE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Johny **kin Dango Edited by: Johny **kin Dango on 27/06/2011 10:42:36 Originally by: Ri**ulo Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON??????? were else would u get the money? charging for expansions? By fixing the real issues of the game in order to get more subs and THAT way fund other titles. --- [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mai
xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Peter XZ 53 THOUSAND players online today like your game. Either that or they like **ting up Jita and other hubs until their accounts expire. Originally by:** Peter XZ A couple of Dozen are so mad with rage FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON ...for no reason that you can comprehend. I guess we found CCP Zulu's alt guys.
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp Sons of EvE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Peter XZ Originally by: Ri**ulo Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON??????? Weve had P2W MT with Plex for years, and theyre mad that some player out there would DARE to buy a monocle for RL Money ROFL, u gotta be kidding me. REaly? Is that what you think the problem is? I am fully forward and endorse the sale of vanity items for AUR. --- [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mai

Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Peter XZ Weve had P2W MT with Plex for years, and theyre mad that some player out there would DARE to buy a monocle for RL Money ROFL, u gotta be kidding me. Holy Crap, you are so completely ignorant of the real issues that people are fighting against! Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum I can tell you that this is one of the moments when we look at what those at CCP will do and less of what they say.
Johny Fuckkin Dango	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Jint Hikaru Originally by: Peter XZ Weve had P2W MT with Plex for years, and theyre mad that some player out there would DARE to buy a monocle for RL Money ROFL, u gotta be kidding me. Holy Crap, you are so completely ignorant of the real issues that people are fighting against! such as?
Norian Lonark Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Norian Lonark on 27/06/2011 10:52:51 OP You are deluded. You think CCP would hold emergency CSM meeting for a couple of dozen accounts. Whatever you think of the CSM or CCP's reasoning behind this the fact that they are doing this shows that they are that concerned by the amount of negative feedback and / or number of cancelled accounts that they have deemed it necessary to take action. This action could be stalling or could be a turnaround / confirmation of policy. whatever the reason a couple dozen of accounts would not prompt such action on CCP's part. You just dont get it do you.
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp Sons of EvE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Norian Lonark Edited by: Norian Lonark on 27/06/2011 10:52:51 OP You are deluded. You think CCP would hold emergency CSM meeting for a couple of dozen accounts. Whatever you think of the CSM or CCP's reasoning behind this the fact that they are doing this shows that they are that concerned by the amount of negative feedback and / or number of cancelled accounts that they have deemed it necessary to take action. This action could be stalling or could be a turnaround / confirmation of policy. whatever the reason a couple dozen of accounts would not prompt such action on CCP's part. You just dont get it do you. Indeed, paying costs of the CSM travel and stay in Iceland would imply that the loss is bigger than such cost.
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:04:00 - [15] Edited by: Demure Guise on 27/06/2011 11:08:04 Originally by: Peter XZ A couple of Dozen are so mad with rage.... Awww, you really sound depressed. Anyway, down to your little tantrum. Soooo, three trade hubs packed so full the gates auto-close, ÇÇP ***ting bricks so badly they are flying people to Iceland for a meeting, the forums ablaze with outrage, the gaming media all over ÇÇP like a rash... and all caused by a couple of dozen players, eh? What busy players they must be! Get a grip on reality. We may be firing imaginary ordnance at an imaginary statue, by way of burning a ÇÇP flag, but we're doing so using our own free time in a game we pay money to play. Time and money aren't imaginary. The REASON we devote our time and money to protest is that we don't want the game economy screwed over by things like ships, ammunition and god knows what else appearing out of thin air, bypassing players who are Industrialists and Miners. These items aren't "free" either - SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE has to pay REAL money into the Plex/Aurum cycle at some point. As an aside, while I don't give a crap about vanity items, any company exchanging/bartering (call it what you will) a Virtual Monocle* for Aurum that cost someone, somewhere in the chain, seventy US dollars (fourty-four UK pounds) is so far up it's own arse it's probably beyond saving. Good luck to anyone who is so dimwitted they'll buy the vanity items though, because despite what some people persist in thinking we are protesting about vanity items are not an issue.. Don't worry - when we save this game you can pretend you were really there, with the players who REALLY care, helping to save the game.
Aldrad Caldari Eve Heroes	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:08:00 - [16] I wonder how many of those accounts were online just to protest though? ;)
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Johny **kin Dango Edited by: Johny **kin Dango on 27/06/2011 10:42:36 Originally by: Ri**ulo Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON??????? were else would u get the money? charging for expansions? Why should this concern us? It is about funding other titles. Such funding does not mean that we will get to play these games for free, but they will simply be other game titles. What CCP is doing is trying to get a credit from us, which they never intend to return. The responses by the community over CCP's greed have so far been kind. --
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:21:00 - [18] Edited by: Peter XZ on 27/06/2011 11:21:43 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Johny **kin Dango Edited by: Johny **kin Dango on 27/06/2011 10:42:36 Originally by: Ri**ulo Originally by: Fearless Newsletter However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles... NO REASON??????? were else would u get the money? charging for expansions? Why should this concern us? It is about funding other titles. Such funding does not mean that we will get to play these games for free, but they will simply be other game titles. What CCP is doing is trying to get a credit from us, which they never intend to return. The responses by the community over CCP's greed have so far been kind. Oh I see, I have yet to experience CCP FORCING me OR ANY OTHER PLAYER to PAY ONE SINGLE DIME FOR ANYTHING. In fact Ill let you in on a secret, I dont intend to pay RL money in this game for the rest of my life. So why are the whiners whining if NOONE is forcing them to fork out one single extra dime , I mean this is a circus over nothing Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel
Anshiliu	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Peter XZ 53 THOUSAND players online today like your game. A couple of Dozen are so mad with rage FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, They've resorted to shooting Imaginary Statues, with Imaginary Ordinances, From Their Imaginary Spaceships to Prove an Imaginary Point. If I were you I'd listen to the 53 THOUSAND PLAYERS Instead. Thank you in Advance and Cheers CCP. You are an idiot.
Lucilla Giulia	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Nyssa Litari Dear CCP, It is not that you made the NeX items unreasonably pricy, although you have. It is not that we merely dislike change. Some of us dislike it, some of us welcome it. It is that your business plan, from everything we can see, intends to take away the gameplay central to Eve; the player-driven economy. You're planning on making players that have spent time training for manufacturing, researching blueprints to wring out research efficiencies compete with a deus ex credit card. Someone else pointed out that many player corporations have standings aid as a service for new recruits. You have players themselves advancing the social mechanics of your game, as part of the gameplay. Do you really think it's a good idea to disrupt that? When we join, we join for the shiny. I joined because I might someday get to fly a Nyx. I'll admit that. But I've stayed, (and paid for new accounts like this one), because it is the players that drive the lore. The epic battles people talk about in chat while mining are the battles that they or their friends participated in, or caused. All of the politics is real. The bad guys are that other group of players that threw a wardec your way. What we're worried about is that you'll start by taking the little things away, like offering standings aid as a player corp service, and move on to bigger things. There will be people that are willing to pay real money for the I-win-mobile. If you think that you can boil a few hundred thousand frogs to reach out to the few thousand teenagers with dad's credit card you'll lose us too. Then you will have lost what makes the game worth playing. You'll lose the experienced FCs that know how to run a fleet and can train noobs to be just as valuable as the pilot in the that T2 cruiser. You'll lose the alliances that police their own territory making the alliance mechanics work. You'll lose the smart players who have poured so much time, thought, and effort into the game. The only kinds of players you gain are the ones with short attention spans. The ones that have no patience. The ones that play a "title" and move on. And what happens when that's your player base? You have to be forever adding "content" like WoW does. Here's the new dance of the month. I've come to hate the term "content" because it's come to be akin to "just give them more icons". I'm not looking for just "content", I'm looking for play. Most of your players today are not kids. I'm in my late thirties. I work in the software field. Like most of your players, I'm not stupid. I am not just a revenue stream. I say these things not in an attempt to gain your respect. I say these things in the hopes that they make you think about the kinds of players you want inhabiting your universe. I won't cancel my account yet. You haven't upended the sandbox yet. Like your CEO suggested, I'll watch what you do more than what you say. I played Star Wars Galaxies, I had a character that made weapons. I had a plan in the game to become the premier gunsmith in my little neighborhood. That was what I was going to play toward. Sony changed the game, I dropped my subscription because it wasn't fun anymore. Please don't do that to us. Regards, Nyssa CSM please read this aswell, thanks

Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Lucilla Giulia Originally by: Nyssa Litari Dear CCP, It is not that you made the NeX items unreasonably pricy, although you have. It is not that we merely dislike change. Some of us dislike it, some of us welcome it. It is that your business plan, from everything we can see, intends to take away the gameplay central to Eve; the player-driven economy. You're planning on making players that have spent time training for manufacturing, researching blueprints to wring out research efficiencies compete with a deus ex credit card. Someone else pointed out that many player corporations have standings aid as a service for new recruits. You have players themselves advancing the social mechanics of your game, as part of the gameplay. Do you really think it's a good idea to disrupt that? When we join, we join for the shiny. I joined because I might someday get to fly a Nyx. I'll admit that. But I've stayed, (and paid for new accounts like this one), because it is the players that drive the lore. The epic battles people talk about in chat while mining are the battles that they or their friends participated in, or caused. All of the politics is real. The bad guys are that other group of players that threw a wardec your way. What we're worried about is that you'll start by taking the little things away, like offering standings aid as a player corp service, and move on to bigger things. There will be people that are willing to pay real money for the I-win-mobile. If you think that you can boil a few hundred thousand frogs to reach out to the few thousand teenagers with dad's credit card you'll lose us too. Then you will have lost what makes the game worth playing. You'll lose the experienced FCs that know how to run a fleet and can train noobs to be just as valuable as the pilot in the that T2 cruiser. You'll lose the alliances that police their own territory making the alliance mechanics work. You'll lose the smart players who have poured so much time, thought, and effort into the game. The only kinds of players you gain are the ones with short attention spans. The ones that have no patience. The ones that play a "title" and move on. And what happens when that's your player base? You have to be forever adding "content" like WoW does. Here's the new dance of the month. I've come to hate the term "content" because it's come to be akin to "just give them more icons". I'm not looking for just "content", I'm looking for play. Most of your players today are not kids. I'm in my late thirties. I work in the software field. Like most of your players, I'm not stupid. I am not just a revenue stream. I say these things not in an attempt to gain your respect. I say these things in the hopes that they make you think about the kinds of players you want inhabiting your universe. I won't cancel my account yet. You haven't upended the sandbox yet. Like your CEO suggested, I'll watch what you do more than what you say. I played Star Wars Galaxies, I had a character that made weapons. I had a plan in the game to become the premier gunsmith in my little neighborhood. That was what I was going to play toward. Sony changed the game, I dropped my subscription because it wasn't fun anymore. Please don't do that to us. Regards, Nyssa CSM please read this aswell, thanks P2W has worked remarkably well for ALL other MMOs (I dont kno any exceptions), even those who have player based economies. Relax , experience has shown all's well with the world ;) Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp Sons of EvE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Peter XZ Oh I see, I have yet to experience CCP FORCING me OR ANY OTHER PLAYER to PAY ONE SINGLE DIME FOR ANYTHING. In fact Ill let you in on a secret, I dont intend to pay RL money in this game for the rest of my life. So why are the whiners whining if NOONE is forcing them to fork out one single extra dime , I mean this is a circus over nothing In that you have a point. Its just a game even if i've been playing it for years and years. I got lotro and AoC and lots of other games to play. I'll not leave EVE unless they force me to pay real money for something and that is my opinion on the whole deal
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Peter XZ Oh I see, I have yet to experience CCP FORCING me OR ANY OTHER PLAYER to PAY ONE SINGLE DIME FOR ANYTHING. In fact Ill let you in on a secret, I dont intend to pay RL money in this game for the rest of my life. So why are the whiners whining if NOONE is forcing them to fork out one single extra dime , I mean this is a circus over nothing I fully commend you for stating that you will never pay real life money in Eve for the rest of your life! However will you be as happy once people start pawning you in fights because they payed RL $$$ for Gold-Ammo and a special extra HP Ship.... or getting better mission rewards because they payed $$$ to max their faction with that mission corp... --- Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum I can tell you that this is one of the moments when we look at what those at CCP will do and less of what they say.
Prince Kobol	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Prince Kobol on 27/06/2011 11:31:48 Originally by: Peter XZ P2W has worked remarkably well for ALL other MMOs (I dont kno any exceptions), even those who have player based economies. Relax , experience has shown all's well with the world ;) Would you care to say which MMO's have worked well with in game Cash Stores that sell Non-Vanity items that have the player driven economy that Eve has?
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Jint Hikaru Originally by: Peter XZ Oh I see, I have yet to experience CCP FORCING me OR ANY OTHER PLAYER to PAY ONE SINGLE DIME FOR ANYTHING. In fact Ill let you in on a secret, I dont intend to pay RL money in this game for the rest of my life. So why are the whiners whining if NOONE is forcing them to fork out one single extra dime , I mean this is a circus over nothing I fully commend you for stating that you will never pay real life money in Eve for the rest of your life! However will you be as happy once people start pawning you in fights because they payed RL $$$ for Gold-Ammo and a special extra HP Ship.... or getting better mission rewards because they payed $$$ to max their faction with that mission corp... But they do that NOW, EVE is all about team work, If I'm not in a good team, I may be in a Titan, but I'll lose, whats the diff?? Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:34:00 - [26] Edited by: Katra Novac on 27/06/2011 11:33:48 Originally by: Peter XZ Oh I see, I have yet to experience CCP FORCING me OR ANY OTHER PLAYER to PAY ONE SINGLE DIME FOR ANYTHING. In fact Ill let you in on a secret, I dont intend to pay RL money in this game for the rest of my life. So why are the whiners whining if NOONE is forcing them to fork out one single extra dime , I mean this is a circus over nothing Ok,so maybe you're not trolling, maybe you really are that dim.
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Aldrad I wonder how many of those accounts were online just to protest though? ;) More than "a couple of dozen". Neither ÇÇP nor the gaming media would even glance at something involving a couple of dozen players. Considering how large the Eve universe is, and how far some players were from the Trade Hubs (like myself) I think it's impressive that thousands of players kept up a rolling protest in the Hubs all weekend. I also think it's impressive that the protesters decided to stop the protests until the results of the forthcoming meeting are made available. We made our point, then left. If ÇÇP evade the real issue again we can just as easily go back.
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp Sons of EvE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Prince Kobol Edited by: Prince Kobol on 27/06/2011 11:31:48 Originally by: Peter XZ P2W has worked remarkably well for ALL other MMOs (I dont kno any exceptions), even those who have player based economies. Relax , experience has shown all's well with the world ;) Would you care to say which MMO's have worked well with in game Cash Stores that sell Non-Vanity items that have the player driven economy that Eve has? MMO's where MT works (like lotro) only sells gameplay changing items to F2P where subs players get those for free (trait and legendary slots). Otherwise only vanity items are sold and for very reasonable prices (horse for 8$)
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Prince Kobol Edited by: Prince Kobol on 27/06/2011 11:31:48 Originally by: Peter XZ P2W has worked remarkably well for ALL other MMOs (I dont kno any exceptions), even those who have player based economies. Relax , experience has shown all's well with the world ;) Would you care to say which MMO's have worked well with in game Cash Stores that sell Non-Vanity items that have the player driven economy that Eve has? Well Planet Calypso for one, a guy bought an astroid there for 100,000 pounds or something, (from memory) straight into the Devs wallet, deus-ex-credit-card, he's charging other players to enter his property and has made a killing. There is a player driven economy in that game. Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:38:00 - [30] OK, that's ONE - a game no-one has heard of mind you. Continue your list.



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