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Charlie Tan	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:06:00 - [1] Just wanted to share my two cents on related shenanigans. I find it hard to understand the current opposition to the proposed MT changes. Most of the people who are shouting and screaming about micro transactions are quite happy to allow players to STEAL other people hard earned isk with faked contracts and LIES about their content. The way I see it, if one buys a ship via MT then at least ultimately they WORKED for it, be it in real life or in game. In my opinion, if you don't want MT, you have to remove stealing, scamming and all other forms of 'unfair' competition from the game. The proposed changes are not fair, but neither is Eve in its current form.
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:09:00 - [2] Stealing is part of the game, if buying ships/modules/ammo etc. becomes a part of the game, it's not a game I want part of. I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. Why manufacture items if nobody will buy them? Why haul items if nobody is going to manufacture with them? Why mine if nobody is going to buy the ore? What will the game become, pay to PvP? Whoever spends the most overtime at work wins?
Hekira Soikutsu	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:09:00 - [3] First of all, MT has the potential to break the EVE market with an unlimited supply of substitutes introducing a fixed price for items. Second, the scamming/stealing bit of EVE was intended from day 1. MT was not intended and stated to be so just last year. TBVFH if you are scammed or have had stuff stolen from you then your risk management has gone wrong somewhere. No offense, but its your fault.
Sentient Blade	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:09:00 - [4] Hmm good point, perhaps they should have spent more time designing better corporate permissions rather than NeX.
Spin Spin Sugar Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Charlie Tan Just wanted to share my two cents on related shenanigans. I find it hard to understand the current opposition to the proposed MT changes. Most of the people who are shouting and screaming about micro transactions are quite happy to allow players to STEAL other people hard earned isk with faked contracts and LIES about their content. The way I see it, if one buys a ship via MT then at least ultimately they WORKED for it, be it in real life or in game. In my opinion, if you don't want MT, you have to remove stealing, scamming and all other forms of 'unfair' competition from the game. The proposed changes are not fair, but neither is Eve in its current form. Did the bad man steel your shiny toy?
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Harcosi I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. would you repeat proof link to patch notes about ships from MT?
Fire Watch	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:12:00 - [7] Go play X3.
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:13:00 - [8] If you're going to allow people access to your stuff, or if you're going to use the contracts system, here's a checklist for you to go by first. [ ] Am I sober? - If not; log off and try again tomorrow. [ ] Have I checked the contents of the contract? - If not; make sure the advertised contents are present. [ ] Am I an idiot or suffer from serious mental incapacity? - If so; cancel your account and get off the forums. Will write and sing songs for stuff.
Oregin Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:13:00 - [9] Scamming in EVE relies on either one player's innovation/manipulation on game mechanics or another player's stupidity/inability to read... If you're savvy, you'll never get scammed... If you're a savvy manufacturer, you'll have no way to stop people buying ships fabricated from thin air if they include that into MTs... Your argument is incorrect.
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: Harcosi I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. would you repeat proof link to patch notes about ships from MT? This is a hypothetical thread at this point, obviously.
Titus Phook	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:13:00 - [11] Edited by: Titus Phook on 27/06/2011 13:17:34 Theft, scams, lies, griefing, welcome to the Eve universe, what makes it great & what makes it different from any other MMO. A place that is populated by adults who spy, scam, steal, backstab, produce misinformation & propaganda for fun. Being able to buy your way to power is not how it's done here, you have to work for it not put it on a credit card and then cry when we blow your stuff up. --------------------------------------------- CCP just shat in the sandbox, so they could try and sell us a gold plated shovel to remove said turd. :(
MisterRiz	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:14:00 - [12] Edited by: MisterRiz on 27/06/2011 13:16:33 tbh this idiot fails to understand the game completely.
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Charlie Tan Just wanted to share my two cents on related shenanigans. I find it hard to understand the current opposition to the proposed MT changes. Most of the people who are shouting and screaming about micro transactions are quite happy to allow players to STEAL other people hard earned isk with faked contracts and LIES about their content. The way I see it, if one buys a ship via MT then at least ultimately they WORKED for it, be it in real life or in game. In my opinion, if you don't want MT, you have to remove stealing, scamming and all other forms of 'unfair' competition from the game. The proposed changes are not fair, but neither is Eve in its current form. Game has its rules, the moment you change those rules it's another game, even if it looks the same. All card games, for example. But with all that, just because you worked all day, you can't use $500 instead of card you need to win if you got unlucky. Like it or not.
Carmen Vasquez Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Carmen Vasquez on 27/06/2011 13:15:44 Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: Harcosi I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. would you repeat proof link to patch notes about ships from MT? That is the point. Community believes that this is the case. To believe is enough in our world. Ball is now on the other side, CCP has to make bold statement what they plan and what not. Aside, why to get double charged with pay2win and subs at once?
Quigo	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Quigo on 27/06/2011 13:20:05 Originally by: Titus Phook Edited by: Titus Phook on 27/06/2011 13:17:34 <snip> Being able to buy your way to power is not how it's done here, you have to work for it not put it on a credit card and then cry when we blow your stuff up. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/White_Noise. I'm just gonna leave this here
Inipinipocoloco	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:20:00 - [16] because ccp deems us stupid addict golden goose that want eve so much that they fall for any ** if i ask u a question with a yes or no answer and u know i hate u for yes and u know i love u for no and u want to say yes cause no is a lie saying nothing is the only option not to ** me of but it is an answer nontheless and that is what ccp is doing
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Charlie Tan The proposed changes are not fair, but neither is Eve in its current form. The Eve Online game enviroment has always been this way. It's an aspect of the pvp within the universe. You must be fairly new. Sorry you came to such a FUBAR time in this games history. V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Titus Phook	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Quigo Edited by: Quigo on 27/06/2011 13:20:05 Originally by: Titus Phook Edited by: Titus Phook on 27/06/2011 13:17:34 <snip> Being able to buy your way to power is not how it's done here, you have to work for it not put it on a credit card and then cry when we blow your stuff up. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/White_Noise. I'm just gonna leave this here lol fair comment, forgot about the minority that have purchased their influence --------------------------------------------- CCP just shat in the sandbox, so they could try and sell us a gold plated shovel to remove said turd. :(
Maddi5on	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Charlie Tan you have to remove stealing, scamming and all other forms of 'unfair' competition from the game. The proposed changes are not fair, but neither is Eve in its current form. DUDE Incarna: how to obtain your free mono...
Fredrick Tesla	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:28:00 - [20] "Theft, scams, lies, griefing, welcome to the eve universe. A place that is populated by adults who spy, scam, steal, backstab, produce misinformation & propaganda for fun. Being able to buy your way to power is not how it's done here, you have to work for it not put it on a credit card and then cry when we blow your stuff up." This is something I don't understand about this whole shebang. Eve is populated with Thieves, Manipulators, and Killers, and they're afraid that someone's going to spend some money for a ship with a palette swap and a few bonuses? This is the game where people will start RL relationships for months just to find better ways to steal from and manipulate an ingame corp. Wouldn't stealing or destroying the ship someone actually dropped a couple hundred bucks of real money on be even better to them than doing the same to something that only cost them play time? Seriously. I'd think they'd jump on the chance to essentially burn someones cash right in front of their eyes with a pretend ship in a videogame.
Quigo	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Titus Phook Originally by: Quigo Edited by: Quigo on 27/06/2011 13:20:05 Originally by: Titus Phook Edited by: Titus Phook on 27/06/2011 13:17:34 <snip> Being able to buy your way to power is not how it's done here, you have to work for it not put it on a credit card and then cry when we blow your stuff up. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/White_Noise. I'm just gonna leave this here lol fair comment, forgot about the minority that have purchased their influence So in reality no one in EVE is spending real life money to get an advantage, except those who do ;)
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:30:00 - [22] Originally by: I'thari Originally by: Charlie Tan Just wanted to share my two cents on related shenanigans. I find it hard to understand the current opposition to the proposed MT changes. Most of the people who are shouting and screaming about micro transactions are quite happy to allow players to STEAL other people hard earned isk with faked contracts and LIES about their content. The way I see it, if one buys a ship via MT then at least ultimately they WORKED for it, be it in real life or in game. In my opinion, if you don't want MT, you have to remove stealing, scamming and all other forms of 'unfair' competition from the game. The proposed changes are not fair, but neither is Eve in its current form. Game has its rules, the moment you change those rules it's another game, even if it looks the same. All card games, for example. But with all that, just because you worked all day, you can't use $500 instead of card you need to win if you got unlucky. Like it or not. ^This. Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Kendra Wilkinson	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Harcosi I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. Why manufacture items if nobody will buy them? Why haul items if nobody is going to manufacture with them? Why mine if nobody is going to buy the ore? - so concretly you are crying about your piece of cake ? - you are mad about a potential drop of your income ? because less income = no more isk for plex, no more plex = no aurum AND no aurum = no monocle. Are you just mad because you cant affrod this ****ing monocle ? Are you aware that for each possibility there's a bypass : some people work and some are workless, some people pay sub and some use plex, some people pay taxes and some not... So if dont want use MT, you will be always able to not use. I'm sure you will not alone and it will be possible to live between you ... just be carefull about inbreeding
vasuul	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Alpine 69 If you're going to allow people access to your stuff, or if you're going to use the contracts system, here's a checklist for you to go by first. [ ] Am I sober? - If not; log off and try again tomorrow. [ ] Have I checked the contents of the contract? - If not; make sure the advertised contents are present. [ ] Am I an idiot or suffer from serious mental incapacity? - If so; cancel your account and get off the forums. lol love it +1 microtransactions do not belong in EVE leave them to the other fail MMO's
Hekira Soikutsu	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:36:00 - [25] aw **** 10/10
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson Originally by: Harcosi I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. Why manufacture items if nobody will buy them? Why haul items if nobody is going to manufacture with them? Why mine if nobody is going to buy the ore? - so concretly you are crying about your piece of cake ? - you are mad about a potential drop of your income ? because less income = no more isk for plex, no more plex = no aurum AND no aurum = no monocle. Are you just mad because you cant affrod this ****ing monocle ? Are you aware that for each possibility there's a bypass : some people work and some are workless, some people pay sub and some use plex, some people pay taxes and some not... So if dont want use MT, you will be always able to not use. I'm sure you will not alone and it will be possible to live between you ... just be carefull about inbreeding sandbox gaming - look up the definition please V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson Originally by: Harcosi I'll speak slowly for you. If you MT a ship, nobody built it. Why manufacture items if nobody will buy them? Why haul items if nobody is going to manufacture with them? Why mine if nobody is going to buy the ore? - so concretly you are crying about your piece of cake ? - you are mad about a potential drop of your income ? because less income = no more isk for plex, no more plex = no aurum AND no aurum = no monocle. Are you just mad because you cant affrod this ****ing monocle ? Are you aware that for each possibility there's a bypass : some people work and some are workless, some people pay sub and some use plex, some people pay taxes and some not... So if dont want use MT, you will be always able to not use. I'm sure you will not alone and it will be possible to live between you ... just be carefull about inbreeding Definitely trolling, but it's midnight, I'm bored and I'll bite. The monocle is a fantastic idea, rich players can show they're rich. Stupid players can show they're stupid. Eve makes money from stupid players. I have 7 accounts and I do NOT pay for them with PLEX. Thanks for playing though, you've been great. MT for Vanity items is fine. MT for non-vanity items is not acceptable.
Charlie Tan	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:48:00 - [28] CCP wants to include stealing, scamming and lying as part of the game, therefore it is acceptable. CCP want to include MT as part of the game, therefore its... not acceptable. Riiiight...
Harcosi	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Charlie Tan CCP wants to include stealing, scamming and lying as part of the game, therefore it is acceptable. CCP want to include MT as part of the game, therefore its... not acceptable. Riiiight... CCP didn't include stealing, scamming and lying in the game, they just don't enforce rules against it.
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Charlie Tan CCP wants to include stealing, scamming and lying as part of the game, therefore it is acceptable. CCP want to include MT as part of the game, therefore its... not acceptable. Riiiight... Are people really this daft? Your first sentence involves in-game mechanics. Your second sentence involves out-of-game mechanics if P2W MT is introduced. It's not too difficult a concept to grasp. Why are people having such a hard time with this? V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?

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