Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon

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I don't know about them, but I'm cool with it.

I bet money that in six months, more than 3000 of those subs log back in at some point

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Originally by: Kronir

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How do you know it is 4k accounts?

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Originally by: Tobiaz

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Edited by: Tobiaz on 26/06/2011 15:02:44

and the tally so far:
1986 people cancelling or not renewing a total of 4482 accounts.

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Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon

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I don't know about them, but I'm cool with it.

I bet money that in six months, more than 3000 of those subs log back in at some point

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Originally by: Montevius Williams

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Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Proof or it didnt happen.

PS - I canceled my account
PSS - Actually, I didnt, but if I say, people will believe me anyway - see how easy that is? I guess if its said on an intenetz message board it MUST be true

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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I just found out that Eve has reached almost 360.000 subscribers by the end of 2010.

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Originally by: Diana Valenti

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

Originally by: Tobiaz

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Edited by: Tobiaz on 26/06/2011 15:02:44

and the tally so far:
1986 people cancelling or not renewing a total of 4482 accounts.

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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I just found out that Eve has reached almost 360.000 subscribers by the end of 2010.

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almost 5000 accounts in 4 days, and that list is growing.

And the question is, if ccp is worried or not.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Important distinction : people CLAIMING they canceled and will let their sub run then not renew summing up to over 4k accounts.
That doesn't mean they will all actually quit. I'd actually be surprised if more than half of those accounts will be genuinely lost in the long run.

Unless they claim "I have put my char up for sale and will RMT all the ISK out of this joint", those are not really lost subs, they're people waiting to be reconverted, and will do so at the drop of a hat, as soon as they realize that every other MMO out there is either substantially less appealing or is fleecing them even worse.

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Akita T

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Important distinction : people CLAIMING they canceled and will let their sub run then not renew summing up to over 4k accounts.
That doesn't mean they will all actually quit. I'd actually be surprised if more than half of those accounts will be genuinely lost in the long run.

Unless they claim "I have put my char up for sale and will RMT all the ISK out of this joint", those are not really lost subs, they're people waiting to be reconverted, and will do so at the drop of a hat, as soon as they realize that every other MMO out there is either substantially less appealing or is fleecing them even worse.

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Again..the question is if ccp is worried or not...and if it is having any sort of effect.

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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I just found out that Eve has reached almost 360.000 subscribers by the end of 2010.

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almost 5000 accounts in 4 days, and that list is growing.

And the question is, if ccp is worried or not.

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Warning: Speculation follows. Yeah, they probably do worry because they probably value each customer. The question is do they worry enough to change vital parts of the plan. Another question is, do they worry more about 5000 members clicking unsubscribe or about bad press.

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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon

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I don't know about them, but I'm cool with it.

I bet money that in six months, more than 3000 of those subs log back in at some point

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Originally by: Akita T

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Important distinction : people CLAIMING they canceled and will let their sub run then not renew summing up to over 4k accounts.
That doesn't mean they will all actually quit. I'd actually be surprised if more than half of those accounts will be genuinely lost in the long run.

Unless they claim "I have put my char up for sale and will RMT all the ISK out of this joint", those are not really lost subs, they're people waiting to be reconverted, and will do so at the drop of a hat, as soon as they realize that every other MMO out there is either substantially less appealing or is fleecing them even worse.

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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I just found out that Eve has reached almost 360.000 subscribers by the end of 2010.

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almost 5000 accounts in 4 days, and that list is growing.

And the question is, if ccp is worried or not.

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Warning: Speculation follows. Yeah, they probably do worry because they probably value each customer. The question is do they worry enough to change vital parts of the plan. Another question is, do they worry more about 5000 members clicking unsubscribe or about bad press.

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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon

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I don't know about them, but I'm cool with it.

I bet money that in six months, more than 3000 of those subs log back in at some point

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Montevius Williams

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Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Proof or it didnt happen.

PS - I canceled my account
PSS - Actually, I didnt, but if I say, people will believe me anyway - see how easy that is? I guess if its said on an intenetz message board it MUST be true

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Well dip sh@# a whole lot of them also posted the cancel pic. Your head is seriously in the sand.

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Originally by: Korerin Mayul

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thats the wrong sort of speculation, really the question is - do the Shareholders worry about the subscriber count dropping, 4, 5%? and counting? CCP is looking a lot less secure at the moment.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Important distinction : people CLAIMING they canceled and will let their sub run then not renew summing up to over 4k accounts.
That doesn't mean they will all actually quit. I'd actually be surprised if more than half of those accounts will be genuinely lost in the long run.

Unless they claim "I have put my char up for sale and will RMT all the ISK out of this joint", those are not really lost subs, they're people waiting to be reconverted, and will do so at the drop of a hat, as soon as they realize that every other MMO out there is either substantially less appealing or is fleecing them even worse.

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Originally by: chippiesbeearch

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so out of 300k accounts 4k have unsubbed so thats what about 1.5% of people..... well i suppose the union have gone on strike on a mandate like that. Or look at it another away 1.5% less whining on the forums when all the accounts do go inactive

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Originally by: Montevius Williams

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Montevius Williams

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Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Proof or it didnt happen.

PS - I canceled my account
PSS - Actually, I didnt, but if I say, people will believe me anyway - see how easy that is? I guess if its said on an intenetz message board it MUST be true

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Well dip sh@# a whole lot of them also posted the cancel pic. Your head is seriously in the sand.

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Go ahead and believe that 4,000 people canceled their accounts - if you do, you're a ****ing idiot...and a dip ****.

And as Akita said, if you REALLY want to prove you are quitting, sell your character and show proof of transation - anything else is a lie.

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Originally by: Mr Epeen

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Originally by: Diana Valenti

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

Originally by: Tobiaz

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Edited by: Tobiaz on 26/06/2011 15:02:44

and the tally so far:
1986 people cancelling or not renewing a total of 4482 accounts.

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1986 people still in the game running around screaming about how they unsubbed 4482 accounts, is not, by a long shot, any kind of proof.

It's just the usual for this game.

Once you've been here for a while, you learn ignore the histrionics. As does CCP.

Mr Epeen

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Originally by: Korerin Mayul

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thats the wrong sort of speculation, really the question is - do the Shareholders worry about the subscriber count dropping, 4, 5%? and counting? CCP is looking a lot less secure at the moment.
Its our ongoing duty to tell the shareholders (by our actions) that the loyal 'bitter vet' euro is worth more then the 'tried it for a month, its to difficult' euro.

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Originally by: Mike639

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You know that Eve use to have 600k subs right?

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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Originally by: Mike639

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You know that Eve use to have 600k subs right?

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Even then:

"EVE Online continued growing in 2010, with subscribers reaching almost 360,000. (...) [also] the growth of the Company from a development and employee perspective continued. All four of CCPÆs offices grew in 2010 as the company executed its largest talent expansion plan to date. In December 2009, the Company issued additional equity pursuant to a private placement directed to existing shareholders."[/quoC]

CCP had a video up on youtube of the sub number it was a "mile stone" vid.....cant find it now must have taken it down had some short dood danceing around like a fary in it when the Sub number passed 600k
-May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.

Originally by: celebro

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No crying wolf this time.

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Originally by: Mike639

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You know that Eve use to have 600k subs right?

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Originally by: Nepcrosia

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Lots of derp in this thread

Why would people who have quit sell their characters? They're waiting to see if CCP listens to them, thats why they're quitting, not because they don't like eve.

And for those of you still think its because they're "fleecing" us, you need to actually look at the real complaints. Its not the $80 monocle, thats insulting in its own right but its NOT THE MAIN ISSUE.

WHY does this have to keep being said?!

It seems like the forums are populated with people who are mad, people who don't know, and people who don't understand. There is a bit of overlap.

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Originally by: Nepcrosia

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Why would people who have quit sell their characters? They're waiting to see if CCP listens to them, thats why they're quitting, not because they don't like eve.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Important distinction : people CLAIMING they canceled and will let their sub run then not renew summing up to over 4k accounts.
That doesn't mean they will all actually quit. I'd actually be surprised if more than half of those accounts will be genuinely lost in the long run.

Unless they claim "I have put my char up for sale and will RMT all the ISK out of this joint", those are not really lost subs, they're people waiting to be reconverted, and will do so at the drop of a hat, as soon as they realize that every other MMO out there is either substantially less appealing or is fleecing them even worse.

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Originally by: Mr Epeen

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Originally by: Nepcrosia

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Why would people who have quit sell their characters? They're waiting to see if CCP listens to them, thats why they're quitting, not because they don't like eve.

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And when they finally come to terms with the fact that CCP is not going to cave to the whiny demands of an insignificant number of it's player base?

What then?

You will all still play and you know it.

Oh...You'll have some really clever justification for it, but you'll still be here.

Seen it all before in the last six years I've been here.

Mr Epeen

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Originally by: Savage Angel

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Add in the people who have lied about it, and add to that the ones that just stopped paying plex for an account, and that number will easily get cut to pieces. Add to that the ones that signed a petition in the heat of the moment, and will realize they miss this game too much in a few weeks, and the monetary reaction will be quite low.

Plex prices might drop for a bit as the vets stop funding multiple accounts with ISK, but that could be offset by Plex getting converted to Aurum. Hard to say what the real impact will be.

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Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Originally by: Dante Marcellus

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Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 27/06/2011 18:45:13
...and 45,000+ people logged in at *checks time* 2:44 PM. (est)

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Originally by: Titas Agor

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Edited by: Titas Agor on 27/06/2011 19:10:44
Think the people knocking the number are being pretty frakking nieve if you think those 4k plus subs aren't not anywhere near accurate, just look at the subscription increases on the other MMOs out there that just happened in the last few days and that will tell a pretty significant number of people are actually bloody serious about it, ie: Perpetuum / Black prophecy / STO / even galaxies got a hit even tho thats getting canceled in dec /

Perpetuum got over 300 new subs in 16 hrs on saturday alone, so much so it crashed the servers because the were so many new accounts all at once. Even if all 4k accounts are actually canceled, in the grand scheme of things, thats like 2% of the entire playerbase anyway, not enough to make a difference to CCPs pockets, but hopefully enough to people to take note, i myself canceled 3 subs, last one expires on july 13th and im personally liquidating everything i own and giving the isk to my corp to help the others that stay with eve, give my corp mates one final boost b4 i leave, been playing for 6 years and been upset with how ccp have been changing the game for the past 2 years, this past week was just the icing on the cake for me.

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Originally by: Meeogi

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Originally by: Nepcrosia

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Lots of derp in this thread

Why would people who have quit sell their characters? They're waiting to see if CCP listens to them, thats why they're quitting, not because they don't like eve.

And for those of you still think its because they're "fleecing" us, you need to actually look at the real complaints. Its not the monocle, thats insulting in its own right but its NOT THE MAIN ISSUE.

WHY does this have to keep being said?!

It seems like the forums are populated with people who are mad, people who don't know, and people who don't understand. There is a bit of overlap.

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I think you could really just boil it all down to bad P.R .
People don't like being lied too... especially people that have proven loyalty going back years subscriptions and multiple accounts.

I think alot are feeling like that stepping stone to the next new MT player.

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Originally by: Lara Dantreb

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unholy rage : 10k or something accounts : CCP could afford the loss of these RMTers
protester rage : 5k or something less accounts : CCP will sure be pleased to get rid of these [insert something pathetic]

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Originally by: Titas Agor

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Edited by: Titas Agor on 27/06/2011 19:15:34
Edited by: Titas Agor on 27/06/2011 19:10:44
Think the people knocking the number are being pretty frakking nieve if you think those 4k plus subs aren't not anywhere near accurate, just look at the subscription increases on the other MMOs out there that just happened in the last few days and that will tell a pretty significant number of people are actually bloody serious about it, ie: Perpetuum / Black prophecy / STO / even galaxies got a hit even tho thats getting canceled in dec /

Perpetuum got over 300 new subs in 16 hrs on saturday alone, so much so it crashed the servers because the were so many new accounts all at once. Even if all 4k accounts are actually canceled, in the grand scheme of things, thats like 2% of the entire playerbase anyway, not enough to make a difference to CCPs pockets, but hopefully enough to people to take note, i myself canceled 3 subs, last one expires on july 13th and im personally liquidating everything i own and giving the isk to my corp to help the others that stay with eve, give my corp mates one final boost b4 i leave, been playing for 6 years and been upset with how ccp have been changing the game for the past 2 years, this past week was just the icing on the cake for me.

Dont forget, the logg in numbers will still be high for awhile, because people that have canceled their subs, might have bought a 1 yr sub before all this madness started, but over time as the subs start to decrease, you'll notice it big time in the markets, where it'll hit most, so ya, good luck to ya :D

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Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

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Originally by: Meeogi

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blablabla ignorant blablabla.

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pot, meet kettle. This here is the overlap between mad and doesn't understand the issue.

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 27/06/2011 18:29:47
I just found out that Eve has reached almost 360.000 subscribers by the end of 2010.

So even if this is 100% true... there are still 355.000 remaining plus the newbies that subscribed this year.

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Originally by: Lara Dantreb

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unholy rage : 10k or something accounts : CCP could afford the loss of these RMTers
protester rage : 5k or something less accounts : CCP will sure be pleased to get rid of these [insert something pathetic]

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Originally by: Mr Epeen

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Originally by: Meeogi

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C.C.P................ You guys cool with this? I mean are you taking this seriously?

Or are you wanting to wait a few days weeks for this to cool off, and think its just for show?
It sure seems to me, that a domino effect has begun.

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Proof or GTFO

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Originally by: Dobbs Head

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Edited by: Dobbs Head on 27/06/2011 19:32:39

Originally by: Titas Agor

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Edited by: Titas Agor on 27/06/2011 19:15:34
Edited by: Titas Agor on 27/06/2011 19:10:44
Think the people knocking the number are being pretty frakking nieve if you think those 4k plus subs aren't not anywhere near accurate, just look at the subscription increases on the other MMOs out there that just happened in the last few days and that will tell a pretty significant number of people are actually bloody serious about it, ie: Perpetuum / Black prophecy / STO / even galaxies got a hit even tho thats getting canceled in dec /

Perpetuum got over 300 new subs in 16 hrs on saturday alone, so much so it crashed the servers because the were so many new accounts all at once. Even if all 4k accounts are actually canceled, in the grand scheme of things, thats like 2% of the entire playerbase anyway, not enough to make a difference to CCPs pockets, but hopefully enough to people to take note, i myself canceled 3 subs, last one expires on july 13th and im personally liquidating everything i own and giving the isk to my corp to help the others that stay with eve, give my corp mates one final boost b4 i leave, been playing for 6 years and been upset with how ccp have been changing the game for the past 2 years, this past week was just the icing on the cake for me.

Dont forget, the logg in numbers will still be high for awhile, because people that have canceled their subs, might have bought a 1 yr sub before all this madness started, but over time as the subs start to decrease, you'll notice it big time in the markets, where it'll hit most, so ya, good luck to ya :D

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Unfortunately, that statement is pretty naive.

I downloaded Perpetuum just to see if it was a decent game. I have no intention at all of leaving EvE. I may actually sub over there at PO too. Reminds me of the old table top Battletech games...sorta. Pretty laggy right now. I suppose that's due to all the trial noobs who've created accounts there.

It's pretty clear that the number of new PO trial accounts absolutely cannot be used to determine the true count of those leaving EvE permanently.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Important distinction : people CLAIMING they canceled and will let their sub run then not renew summing up to over 4k accounts.
That doesn't mean they will all actually quit. I'd actually be surprised if more than half of those accounts will be genuinely lost in the long run.

Unless they claim "I have put my char up for sale and will RMT all the ISK out of this joint", those are not really lost subs, they're people waiting to be reconverted, and will do so at the drop of a hat, as soon as they realize that every other MMO out there is either substantially less appealing or is fleecing them even worse.

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