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Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:29:00 - [1] Just like the alliance tournament, but this time broadcast the meeting. That would give players a better idea of what's going on without the "official response" crap.
Dreggen Sokarad	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:39:00 - [2] HA, I love it, would pay plex to see it!
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:41:00 - [3] Anna supports this Message. They really could put some effort into mitigating the situation. They do it for chess boxing and every other ego element. Why not do it for the players this time. Wheres Geraldo when you need him.....
aruchra Bimasakti Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:41:00 - [4] Support this idea and pay plex to watch
Syah Nightstorm Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:42:00 - [5] I agree. With all due respect to the parties involved, I don't know any of them. Trusting CCP? Trusting CSM? I want to trust what I see and hear straight from the horse's mouth.
Arias Dren	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:49:00 - [6] I can't think of a single good reason to disagree with this proposal.
4IN1	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:55:00 - [7] They can even sell their HD stream as well! Buyers will also get a white word "SCAMMED" red t-shirt in game CCP: Ambition, but rubbish.
Feky Deji	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:57:00 - [8] They would never do that, especially w/ audio. What would be neat though is have a camera setup in the corner and do a time lapse w/ yakity sax...
Silas Cooper	Posted - 2011.06.28 06:59:00 - [9] No, the idea of the CSM is that CCP can talk about stuff semi openly because there's an NDA. Without that CCP won't reveal a thing and we won't get closer to a solution. -- You can't cure stupid.
Arias Dren	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Silas Cooper No, the idea of the CSM is that CCP can talk about stuff semi openly because there's an NDA. Without that CCP won't reveal a thing and we won't get closer to a solution. Err... WITH the NDA, we won't find out **** one way or another anyway. The tiny, little, or next-to-no information we -could- theoretically get out of CCP -without- the NDA in place is more worthwhile than the NO information the CSM is -allowed- to give us after the meeting with the NDA -in- place.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:03:00 - [11] Supported. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Alara IonStorm Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 28/06/2011 07:05:36 +1 Support. -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Boaz Hedion Merkava	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:05:00 - [13] They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this.
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:09:00 - [14] Originally by: aruchra Support this idea and pay plex to watch do we get a "I watched the CSM" T shirt if we buy the HD stream? ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Arias Dren	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. What good is them speaking their minds... if what is on their minds is protected by an agreement that states that noone who is there to hear it, can in turn communicate it to anyone who is affected by it...? Herp derp.
helmeo Caldari Star Mandate	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:11:00 - [16] i would pay a monocle to watch it live.
Boaz Hedion Merkava	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Arias Dren Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. What good is them speaking their minds... if what is on their minds is protected by an agreement that states that noone who is there to hear it, can in turn communicate it to anyone who is affected by it...? Herp derp. Well, a NDA could protect somebody regarding his stupid idea that won't get passed, like "hey we need to sell monocles for $60"... oshi~
Arias Dren	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Originally by: Arias Dren Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. What good is them speaking their minds... if what is on their minds is protected by an agreement that states that noone who is there to hear it, can in turn communicate it to anyone who is affected by it...? Herp derp. Well, a NDA could protect somebody regarding his stupid idea that won't get passed, like "hey we need to sell monocles for $60"... oshi~ Hahahahaha, you 'get it'. I can tell.
Silas Cooper	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Arias Dren Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. What good is them speaking their minds... if what is on their minds is protected by an agreement that states that noone who is there to hear it, can in turn communicate it to anyone who is affected by it...? Herp derp. Stop being a massive ******. CSM and CCP talk about stuff that's under NDA all the time, that's the point; BECAUSE there's an NDA they can have those talks and exchange ideas, opinions and suggestions. The CSM can convey the ultimate outcome just fine without treading on the NDA, all we need is a thumbs up or down with a simple explanation. What we've been doing last few days isn't about "lolz lets hear juicy storiez", lets not change that now. -- You can't cure stupid.
Liva Daril Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:20:00 - [20] Stupid idea. Just get yourself a slice of bread and butter it. There you have your meeting. Quote: His name was John Turbefield!
Rex Liberium	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Silas Cooper Originally by: Arias Dren Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. What good is them speaking their minds... if what is on their minds is protected by an agreement that states that noone who is there to hear it, can in turn communicate it to anyone who is affected by it...? Herp derp. Stop being a massive *****. CSM and CCP talk about stuff that's under NDA all the time, that's the point; BECAUSE there's an NDA they can have those talks and exchange ideas, opinions and suggestions. The CSM can convey the ultimate outcome just fine without treading on the NDA, all we need is a thumbs up or down with a simple explanation. What we've been doing last few days isn't about "lolz lets hear juicy storiez", lets not change that now. What is under NDA that they need to talk about? CSM walks in. CSM asks question: MT for non-vanity items? CCP: Yes or No. *CSM walks out and gets on plain.
Silas Cooper	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:24:00 - [22] Oh I dunno, some help with NEX pricing perhaps, discussing some ideas on which items could or shouldn't be on Nex. Perhaps a chat about future plans or changes to subscriptions. you know... "stuff". If you had more than 2 braincells you would have probably been able to think of that yourself. -- You can't cure stupid.
Spin Spin Sugar Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:24:00 - [23] Edited by: Spin Spin Sugar on 28/06/2011 07:24:45 Originally by: Benri Konpaku Just like the alliance tournament, but this time broadcast the meeting. That would give players a better idea of what's going on without the "official response" crap. Terrible idea. If you have ever been in a "real" meeting you would understand this. You either talk and discuss or grand stand. One or the other.
Jean Lechapel	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:26:00 - [24] Agree with suggestion. But remember, people act very differently when being filmed, more so when they're filmed live. You might have a lot of rehearsed speeches, constructed arguments and quite possibly _alot_ of things said that may just be the things we players want to hear. I think the room should be bugged, not streamed.
Arias Dren	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:31:00 - [25] Edited by: Arias Dren on 28/06/2011 07:31:27 Originally by: Silas Cooper Originally by: Arias Dren Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. What good is them speaking their minds... if what is on their minds is protected by an agreement that states that noone who is there to hear it, can in turn communicate it to anyone who is affected by it...? Herp derp. Stop being a massive ****. CSM and CCP talk about stuff that's under NDA all the time, that's the point; BECAUSE there's an NDA they can have those talks and exchange ideas, opinions and suggestions. The CSM can convey the ultimate outcome just fine without treading on the NDA, all we need is a thumbs up or down with a simple explanation. What we've been doing last few days isn't about "lolz lets hear juicy storiez", lets not change that now. You are wrong, because this isn't a normal CSM meeting to discuss random stuff. This is a meeting, with one topic, and one main community question that people want answered, mainly (admittedly, there are other, minor topics people want answered). Since this isn't likely to be an "exchange of ideas, opinions, and suggestions", but more likely, CCP simply telling the CSM what is happening from this point forward, transparency is worth more to alot of people, than engendering an environment where CCP feels it can have a leisurely chat (read: bull**). The news, the decision, is coming out either way. You are simply delaying the answering of the one main question this meeting has been planned for, because you hope CCP feels 'secure' enough to explain some things (god knows what) at it's own pace, in it's own way. You misunderstand the singularity of this emergency meeting's purpose.
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:40:00 - [26] I think it would be better and in more realistic expectations if CCP and CSM do a joint video dev blog afterwards.
Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:48:00 - [27] This should be streamed live. It's to late for an NDA now. People trust the CSM slightly more than CCP. THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE OPEN. Not edited for general consumption. A lot of accounts are running out. And this needs sorting NOW.
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:50:00 - [28] If it'd be streamed the meeting would just become like one of those mock political meetings where everyone is smiling in front of the camera's, being nice and civilized. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Arias Dren	Posted - 2011.06.28 07:58:00 - [29] Edited by: Arias Dren on 28/06/2011 07:59:26 Originally by: Tobiaz If it'd be streamed the meeting would just become like one of those mock political meetings where everyone is smiling in front of the camera's, being nice and civilized. I have No Idea why you think this can't happen with the NDA in place for this meeting. Either way, if they want to pull that... they can do it publically, or just infront of the CSM, privately. Things they want the community to know (decisions they've made on P2W) they will tell the CSM (because they know it'll come up, eventually), and things they don't want to discuss, they won't... whether the community can view the meeting or not. We gain nothing by not paying attention or being able to see what takes place. We lose 'clarity' instead. For no discernible benefit other than some people thinking CCP will 'feel better' about the whole thing. Well... whoop dee doo.
Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.28 08:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Tobiaz If it'd be streamed the meeting would just become like one of those mock political meetings where everyone is smiling in front of the camera's, being nice and civilized. Well their less likely to stab you in the back, in front of a camera. If that's what you mean. I see this as a delaying tactic, so that all these paid for alt's can talk us round. Anybody else notice, how suddenly there's lot's of people saying "Well I'd pay for this, or I'd pay for that" and the great "Well that would be cool". NAH open and transparent. STREAM IT LIVE
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 28/06/2011 14:52:12 It's way past the time for NDAs by now. If they can't talk openly about what's going on then what good does it make to have the CSM over there? Besides, we are talking about the future of EVE's content and support here, not about their salaries or private corporate account balances.
Tethys Atreides The Audacity of Huge	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Feky Deji They would never do that, especially w/ audio. What would be neat though is have a camera setup in the corner and do a time lapse w/ yakity sax... +1
Bantara Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava They have to be able and speak their minds and do suggestions. Even if they don't make sense, people have to be able to speak their minds. Without the community making it a popularity contest or raging over stuff. So I'm actually not supporting this. I don't buy this secretive crap in any way, shape, or form. If CCP (or CSM for that matter) is ashamed of what they have to say, what their opinions are, then I think that's a pretty good indication they should reconsider their point of view. If CCP wants microtransactions--cause it will save them finanically, because it's the hottest idea on the block right now, whatever--they should be secure is saying so. The truth is mightily powerful, and helps create, maintain, and in this case restore trust. Whatever CSM has to say about this should equally not need to be hidden.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Terran United Federation	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:06:00 - [34] I would watch it if they eat donuts :) ------------------------------------
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Dreggen Sokarad HA, I love it, would pay plex to see it! 20k AUR . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Dr Geiger	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:16:00 - [36] A possible contender for worst idea ever. People need to be able to speak their mind or nothing will come out of this. Not supported.
helpnuout the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:17:00 - [37] HAHA, stream it! What is this? Alliance Tournament. Are you all kindding me. That is a effin joke. All you guys are idiots. Anything that gets done, gets done behind closed doors. Business, governments, mafia, whatever it is. No one speaks their mind in the open because you get ridiculed. Look what all you people did when somethine got out from the dark. A damn riot. stream it....get real. Helpn
Amar Azaph	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Silas Cooper No, the idea of the CSM is that CCP can talk about stuff semi openly because there's an NDA. Without that CCP won't reveal a thing and we won't get closer to a solution. NDA does not mean diddly squat in this case. If CCP reveal to someone with the time, resources and competence to use any information, then they will be laughed out of any court that will hear the case. If you must shove a contract in someoneÆs mouth use a Covenant Not To Compete (Non-Compete) agreement. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Dr Geiger A possible contender for worst idea ever. People need to be able to speak their mind or nothing will come out of this. Not supported. Why can't they speak their mind if they are live? And is not like the issues are that profound to require such a surgical approach... unless they are hiding something.
Smoking McPot	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:24:00 - [40] Quote: Why can't they speak their mind if they are live? And is not like the issues are that profound to require such a surgical approach... unless they are hiding something. because ccp is is a profit-oriented company and not some hippy commune, dude. stream it even live? they dont wan't another openminded discussion that turns into "known facts, let's unsub everyone" on this very forum
Victoria Wolfe Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:28:00 - [41] I like this idea! It would do much for transparency. ___ "Speak for yourself sir, I intend to live forever" - Commander William Riker
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Silas Cooper No, the idea of the CSM is that CCP can talk about stuff semi openly because there's an NDA. Without that CCP won't reveal a thing and we won't get closer to a solution. Yeah. The NDA is stupid. +1 to OP -
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:37:00 - [43] This meeting should definitely be recorded and made public. Also, last CSM should be offered the chance to participate via skype or whatever. Last CSM should have their NDA revoked by CCP. If this CSM were serious, they'd be in here telling us what THEY think, what specific steps THEY think CCP needs to take and what THEY will consider a successful outcome. But unlike the last CSM, they care more about free trips to Iceland than about EVE.
Stromfresser	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:41:00 - [44] very good idea... yes i want... sooo much this would be the proof of trust i would like to see, most likely the best idea i've seen since this mess began... ( yes thats also most likely the only thing that would make me pay aurum / plex for ) +1

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