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Clairvoiyance Huren	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:34:00 - [1] avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know.
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:35:00 - [2] Thousands of years from now they'll probably have solved that stuff, you know. Will write and sing songs for stuff.
Ira Astrum	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Ira Astrum on 28/06/2011 10:37:22 Will you just sod off? This complaining and whining has just gone too far now. Jumping on CCP's back with every little concern, gripe, foible and rant is just pathetic. They've given us the answer we wanted to hear, so stop being ******s and let them do their jobs. More to the point, recoil looks cool*.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. You just failed physics. Forever.
Fellblade	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:38:00 - [5] There is recoil on railguns.
Malemoris	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:38:00 - [6] Edited by: Malemoris on 28/06/2011 10:38:42 Every action has an opposed and equal reaction.
Onyx Blackman	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:39:00 - [7] No.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:39:00 - [8] recoil looks cool get over it There are far more pressing concernt in EVE right now If the art department needs to do anything, its get the missile turrets completed and then start re-skinning all the ships like they did for the Scorpion and the Maller. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EVE: TESTING GROUNDS FOR WoD & DUST SINCE 2011
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. You just failed physics. Forever. Newton would love this. Will write and sing songs for stuff.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT --

Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:41:00 - [11] No. No kind of gun can be truly recoil less. Newton's third law, the conservation of momentum, guarantees this. Even a laser has some recoil, since photons have momentum. In the rail gun, the momentum given to the projectile must be matched by the momentum given to the "stationary" part of the gun. If the gun is firmly anchored, this momentum is given to the entire mass of the planet and you will not see much recoil. But the force on the gun during the launch will be quite high, equal to the force on the projectile. got this from google search
Najian Noctiscion	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:45:00 - [12] Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:45:00 - [13] I think the main problem here, is that you actually found time to look carefully at the models in the first place. Generally I find myself max zoomed out, glancing at local and overview same time, while focusing on TS/Skype/Vent, checking scanner every few seconds, balancing the tactical overlay while monitoring several ingame chatchannels, and trying to micromanage my drones, modules, and overheat. I also try to breath now and then, even tho previous sentence did a horrible job at reflecting that. Also, there's recoils on laz0rs nowadays too. Supposedly. -
Naloth	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:50:00 - [14] Even if you were right....out of everything wrong in the game, this is what you choose to complain about? In any case, they already said these things would have noticeable recoil in the dev blog. This isn't really news...
Zanes Shoubje	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:00:00 - [15] Quote: The traditional equations predict that the recoil force acts on the breech of the railgun. Another school of thought invokes AmpFre's force law and asserts that it acts along the length of the rails (which is their strongest axis). You are all wrong.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:01:00 - [16] Ah, language, how ambiguous you areà Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren Railguns do not have recoil Do you meant that they have recoil and shouldn't, or that they should have recoil and don't. Quote: avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. With which things, exactly? With turrets? With railguns? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Athellant Nardieu	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. Not sure if serious...
Max Kolonko Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. 10/10 :) Max Kolonko
Cataca	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light.
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:05:00 - [20] someone needs to post a derp picture

Athellant Nardieu	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force.
Haeri PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Photons have momentum. null
Indy Rider Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. +1 Internets for you sir. I'm just thankfull that turrets retract themselves for the extra aerodynamics.
Cataca	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Strictly speaking, it exerts it, but yeah. Brainfart on my end.
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:10:00 - [25] Mein Got! How can you complain about the sodding turret anmations of railguns? It's like buying a kilo of rancid meat and complaining about the packaging.
Max Kolonko Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Quote: The energy of a system that emits a photon is decreased by the energy E of the photon as measured in the rest frame of the emitting system, which may result in a reduction in mass in the amount E / c2. Similarly, the mass of a system that absorbs a photon is increased by a corresponding amount. As an application, the energy balance of nuclear reactions involving photons is commonly written in terms of the masses of the nuclei involved, and terms of the form E / c2 for the gamma photons (and for other relevant energies, such as the recoil energy of nuclei). Max Kolonko
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Indy Rider I'm just thankfull that turrets retract themselves for the extra aerodynamics. Hey! Without the proper spaceodynamic properties, you know that some day, you'll lose space-grip and swerve off into a sun. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Oesophagus	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:13:00 - [28] ok, ok stop right there. There is no hint of RL physics / mechanics in eve. So these discussions are pointless.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Banana isn't a force. --
Haeri PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Oesophagus ok, ok stop right there. There is no hint of RL physics / mechanics in eve. So these discussions are pointless. Well, it does sort of make sense from an Aristotelian POV. null

Uther Istavel	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. No, the major benefit of these thingy's is that they are more efficient than ballistic ammunition. There is still recoil, lots of it. _______________________________________________ Profit isnt a reason, its an excuse.
Cubus Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [32] Edited by: Cubus on 28/06/2011 11:22:55 Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. That's the way it should be. Make it happen, physicists!
kyrieee Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [33] Railguns experience a recoil force but they have no moving parts and should not animate. It's not a pistol.
Mater Dolorosa	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:23:00 - [34] Edited by: Mater Dolorosa on 28/06/2011 11:23:26 The "art" team could not even make sharp & clear new icons, what did you expect ?
So Cash	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. You just failed physics. Forever. You just failed at life... Why sabot being fired by via magnetic fields cause an explosive like recoil?
Mikal Morataya	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:29:00 - [36] Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 28/06/2011 11:29:45 I am sure one of the devs said the plan was to remove recoil from guns that didn't but they liked the graphic affect so much it stayed. If only gun recoil was all we had to worry about..
Athellant Nardieu	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Haeri Photons have momentum. But that's photons, and not the electromagnetic wave [light] itself. Something has to act upon light for it to emit the photons iirc.
Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. According to a quick google search: Sound waves exist as variations of pressure in a medium such as air. They are created by the vibration of an object, which causes the air surrounding it to vibrate. The vibrating air then causes the human eardrum to vibrate, which the brain interprets as sound. So without air in space how can the vibrating air cause sound ? There may be sound waves but you wont hear them.
Najian Noctiscion	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 - [39] What is this vibration nonsense. If your google research was true it would cause everything to blur because the vibrating soundwaves would obscure clear vision.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu But that's photons, and not the electromagnetic wave [light] itself. Something has to act upon light for it to emit the photons iirc. Light is photons ù it doesn't emit them. It's the light source that emits the photons/light. Whether you see it as a particle or a wave depends on how you choose to observe it. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP

Athellant Nardieu	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Kara Kugisa Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. According to a quick google search: Sound waves exist as variations of pressure in a medium such as air. They are created by the vibration of an object, which causes the air surrounding it to vibrate. The vibrating air then causes the human eardrum to vibrate, which the brain interprets as sound. So without air in space how can the vibrating air cause sound ? There may be sound waves but you wont hear them. I can't believe you had to Google search that. It's elementary physics.
Naloth	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [42] Edited by: Naloth on 28/06/2011 11:37:21 Originally by: Kara Kugisa According to a quick google search: Sound waves exist as variations of pressure in a medium such as air. They are created by the vibration of an object, which causes the air surrounding it to vibrate. The vibrating air then causes the human eardrum to vibrate, which the brain interprets as sound. So without air in space how can the vibrating air cause sound ? There may be sound waves but you wont hear them. We call them trolls, mate. Don't feed em. Originally by: Athellant Nardieu I can't believe you had to Google search that. It's elementary physics. +1
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Actually photons are the carrier of the electromagnetic force... so they are in fact literally a force... -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Athellant Nardieu	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Athellant Nardieu But that's photons, and not the electromagnetic wave [light] itself. Something has to act upon light for it to emit the photons iirc. Light is photons ù it doesn't emit them. It's the light source that emits the photons/light. Whether you see it as a particle or a wave depends on how you choose to observe it. My bad. Yet to do A level Physics (Senior Highschool level for those Americans) so had to just read up here and there.
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:42:00 - [45] Originally by: kyrieee Railguns experience a recoil force but they have no moving parts and should not animate. It's not a pistol. Railguns don't just experience a bit of recoil force. They experience a LOT of recoil force. If any gun should recoil, it should be the railgun. What concerns me is that a lot of the railgun models, particularly the dual ones, look much more like blasters than the actual blasters do. They even have a round bit for the cyclotron and everything. Do you think maybe some of the models got mixed up?
Terrorform Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: FellbladeThere is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Banana isn't a force. Bananaman disagrees.
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Athellant Nardieu My bad. Yet to do A level Physics (Senior Highschool level for those Americans) so had to just read up here and there. If you have B level Physics you should already have had it...
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:47:00 - [48] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac Originally by: kyrieee Railguns experience a recoil force but they have no moving parts and should not animate. It's not a pistol. Railguns don't just experience a bit of recoil force. They experience a LOT of recoil force. If any gun should recoil, it should be the railgun. What concerns me is that a lot of the railgun models, particularly the dual ones, look much more like blasters than the actual blasters do. They even have a round bit for the cyclotron and everything. Do you think maybe some of the models got mixed up? actually what annoyed me was that some blasters don't appear to have recoil. I tried out a rig with small blasters on SiSi and the blaster didn't recoil (visibly at least). Given the energies involved, and the kind of yield we are supposed to get with blasters, the momentum of the shot, and thus the recoil, should be in the order of the momentum of the USS Nimitz at full steam... Given that recoil does indeed look cool, I would advise giving all turrets as much of it as possible. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Marrious	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Skippermonkey recoil looks cool get over it There are far more pressing concernt in EVE right now If the art department needs to do anything, its get the missile turrets completed and then start re-skinning all the ships like they did for the Scorpion and the Maller. I don't even have to be a Caldari pilot to agree with this statement. =)
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:49:00 - [50] There's some weird einsteinian thing about light isn't there. It doesn't have any mass so it shouldn't impart a physical force, but somehow it does because space is weird. Either way, the force from light is pretty much negligible even for amarr super-lasers so I hope they take out the recoil for these at some point.

Bubbles Udan	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:49:00 - [51] Railguns are cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqx8tAdID9w
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac There's some weird einsteinian thing about light isn't there. It doesn't have any mass so it shouldn't impart a physical force, but somehow it does because space is weird. Either way, the force from light is pretty much negligible even for amarr super-lasers so I hope they take out the recoil for these at some point. I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,>
Jamyl the Great	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Alpine 69 Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. You just failed physics. Forever. Newton would love this. Newton would cry if he ever played eve for 10 seconds.....
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac There's some weird einsteinian thing about light isn't there. It doesn't have any mass so it shouldn't impart a physical force, but somehow it does because space is weird. Either way, the force from light is pretty much negligible even for amarr super-lasers so I hope they take out the recoil for these at some point. As someone who actually understands the weird Einsteinian thing, I beg to differ. However the 'recoil looks cool' principle trumps physics anyway... given that recoil looks cool, and physics says it exists I would wager turret recoil is not going anyway. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:54:00 - [55] rail guns have recoil. jut becuase the video you've seen of rail guns on youtube are bloted to the ground does not mean there is no recoil. In fact if were to bolt down a handgun with no built in recoil it too, would appear to have, gasp, no recoil. The recoil is not strong enough to move the ground. However once they put railguns on battships they will need recoil barrels or the whole ship would flip over when the guns fire.
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Elienore I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,> I bet you noticed some recoil on the maller at the login screen. It's pretty hard to miss
Bubbles Udan	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Jamyl the Great Originally by: Alpine 69 Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. You just failed physics. Forever. Newton would love this. Newton would cry if he ever played eve for 10 seconds..... I don't think he would cry because of the game, but he might cry after talking to the players.
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:57:00 - [58] Edited by: Crispin McTarmac on 28/06/2011 11:57:37 Originally by: Crispin McTarmac Originally by: Elienore I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,> I bet you noticed some recoil on the maller at the login screen. It's pretty hard to miss Quote: However once they put railguns on battships they will need recoil barrels or the whole ship would flip over when the guns fire. It's not so much that, I think the barrel recoiling mechanism is more to prevent damage to the structure of the turret by spreading the force it recieves over a couple of seconds.
Ospie The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. To be fair there is an eve chronicle (or short story, I forget, read it a long time ago) that explains away that problem. It states that early experiments with pod pilots suggested that pod pilots found themselves feeling a bit disoriented without sound, therefore the ships computer simulates sounds for the pilots benefit. Something along those lines anyway. /evelorenerd
Haeri PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac Originally by: Elienore I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,> I bet you noticed some recoil on the maller at the login screen. It's pretty hard to miss Knowing ammarians they'd make them lazorz look like they have massive recoil to strike fear into those puny lesser races. ^^ null

DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:16:00 - [61] Edited by: DuKackBoon on 28/06/2011 12:16:27 Lasers have recoil just like any other firing mechanism. You can even move a ship by shooting a laser out the back. I have a much bigger problem with Railguns: Where the fheck are the muzzles? Most railguns have no muzzle openings.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:22:00 - [62] We had a giant thread last month explaining why railguns have lots of recoil and laser guns have a little recoil. Railgun reoil = projectile recoil Wherever you went - Here you are.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:23:00 - [63] Anything that projects an object with a non-null mass will have non-null recoil. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Velicitia Open Designs	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. (World of) Darkness? ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:12:00 - [65] Originally by: DuKackBoon Edited by: DuKackBoon on 28/06/2011 12:16:27 Lasers have recoil just like any other firing mechanism. You can even move a ship by shooting a laser out the back. I have a much bigger problem with Railguns: Where the fheck are the muzzles? Most railguns have no muzzle openings. You know, where the slug is released from the rails will do fine as 'muzzle'. All that plasma directly following a slug can surely classify as a muzzle flash. Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu
Cataca	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:12:00 - [66] Originally by: Velicitia Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. (World of) Darkness? heh
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:14:00 - [67] Originally by: DuKackBoon I have a much bigger problem with Railguns: Where the fheck are the muzzles? Most railguns have no muzzle openings. Why would it matter? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Lhaim	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:17:00 - [68] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. 10/10, would read again
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: DuKackBoon I have a much bigger problem with Railguns: Where the fheck are the muzzles? Most railguns have no muzzle openings. Why would it matter? I think it would probably matter quite a lot if you designed a gun with nowhere for the bullet to come out.
Hra Neuvosto The 8th Order Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:46:00 - [70] This thread: ------------------

Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:50:00 - [71] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac I think it would probably matter quite a lot if you designed a gun with nowhere for the bullet to come out. Ok, fair enough. Why would it matter when it comes to railguns having recoil or not? Assuming that they are somehow capable of hurling slugs off into the distanceà
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:54:00 - [72] Isaac Newton called, and he is disappoint.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:01:00 - [73] I see players are still confusing this submarine game with a spaceships one.
Corin en Daire	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:03:00 - [74] Test fire of US Navy's 32 Mejajoule rail gun prototype. Watch for the recoil at time 0:12. They do have dampeners installed, so the noticeable movement is only a few inches at most. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BfU-wMwL2U
xeitgeist	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:04:00 - [75] Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:06:18 travelling faster than light is impossible yet nobody complains about that and what kind of moron thinks lasers have recoil?
Corin en Daire	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:17:00 - [76] Edited by: Corin en Daire on 28/06/2011 15:19:55 Recoil from a LASER weapon; a blog from a physicist at Cornell University. http://thevirtuosi.blogspot.com/2010/04/today-id-like-to-approach-question-near.html The summary: "...it seems like laser guns may well have recoil." (last sentence) HOWEVER, the recoil felt would be a small fraction of what we're used to. The example he gives is that if a laser weapon were to emit the same amount of energy as there is in a fired .22 caliber bullet. In this example, the argued laser weapon would produced 15 Newtons of recoil force.
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:18:00 - [77] Originally by: xeitgeist Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:09:05 travelling faster than light is impossible yet nobody complains about that Ships in eve don't travel faster than light. They move the space occupied by the ship faster than the speed of light. Space can move as fast as it likes. Granted we don't have the technology to do that yet, but it's possible given the current information we have about the universe that there might be an adequate way of moving space.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:23:00 - [78] Originally by: xeitgeist Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:09:05 and what kind of moron thinks lasers have recoil? This kind. Electromagnetic radiation is of non-zero energy with non-zero frequency. Re: Blasters, depending on the mass of the plasma ejected from the cyclotron and how the device is mounted on the hull, visible recoil may or may not occur. But the recoil effect in itself is still there. If it's firmly attached and contains no moving parts, it would affect the ship as a whole and be less noticeable, perhaps to the point of being justifiably neglected in game animations. Depending of course on the ability of the ship itself to compensate for it.
C0mbat W0mbat	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:25:00 - [79] OP admitted that he uses railguns ... or he knows ppl that use railguns ... in todays eve .... and then he only complains about graphics???
Aessaya Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:26:00 - [80] Apparently OP doesn't know how railgun works. ANYTHING involving accelerating a projectile (thus the regular projectile guns, railguns, blasters and even lasers to some degree) generate force to do so, thus, by Newton's third law of motion the system that accelerates projectile generates a recoil force equal but in opposite direction of the force used to accelerate the said projectile. Even lasers generate said recoil, but to much lesser degree (due to much lower impulse of the photon particles). Thus not implementing a recoil mechanism would mean that the full force is exorted on the fastening points of the gun, and the recoil mechanisms (moving barrels, shock absorbers, etc) are here to minimize and dampen the said force. Projectiles accelerate bullets, railguns accelerate projectiles known as "slugs", blasters accelerate ionized particles and lasers "accelerate" photons (they don't, but they still incur some force feedback from the system).

Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac Originally by: xeitgeist travelling faster than light is impossible yet nobody complains about that Ships in eve don't travel faster than light. They move the space occupied by the ship faster than the speed of light. Space can move as fast as it likes. Granted we don't have the technology to do that yet, but it's possible given the current information we have about the universe that there might be an adequate way of moving space. That's not entirely true actually, EVE warping is based on the theory that everything can move faster in complete vacuum ( called "perfect vacuum" ), including light. The warp drives create a bubble of a sort around the ship that clears all matter and energy particles, and then spends the rest of the energy to give the ship a good boost. Warp drives are like slightly fancier MWDs with bubbles.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:29:00 - [82] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. 11/10, brilliant. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Caldari Citizen20090217	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. Physics. You fail at it.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Emminent Terraforming O.G.-Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:36:00 - [84] id love to know the recoil on this shot then....
Law Deschain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:36:00 - [85] Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. "The recoil force exerted on the rails is equal and opposite to the force propelling the projectile. The seat of the recoil force is still debated. The traditional equations predict that the recoil force acts on the breech of the railgun. Another school of thought invokes AmpFre's force law and asserts that it acts along the length of the rails (which is their strongest axis).[7] The rails also repel themselves via a sideways force caused by the rails being pushed by the magnetic field, just as the projectile is. The rails need to survive this without bending, and must be very securely mounted."
Corin en Daire	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:36:00 - [86] Originally by: Serpent Kamri That's not entirely true actually, EVE warping is based on the theory that everything can move faster in complete vacuum ( called "perfect vacuum" ), including light. The warp drives create a bubble of a sort around the ship that clears all matter and energy particles, and then spends the rest of the capacitor power to give the ship a good speed boost. Warp drives are like slightly fancier MWDs with shiny bubbles. The speed of light is taken for when light is in a complete vacuum. See Wikipedia.
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Serpent Kamri That's not entirely true actually, EVE warping is based on the theory that everything can move faster in complete vacuum ( called "perfect vacuum" ), including light. The warp drives create a bubble of a sort around the ship that clears all matter and energy particles, and then spends the rest of the capacitor power to give the ship a good speed boost. Warp drives are like slightly fancier MWDs with shiny bubbles. Well that's just nonsense. That's even worse than the dark matter explanation for giving ships a "top speed" attribute. There's no friction in space travel to begin with, and you still have to accelerate the ship at a rate of billions of Gs which is going to reduce your crew to strawberry jam and require a ridiculous amount of energy. And if you even solve those problems the lightspeed barrier is still as strong as ever. I think I'll keep my own explanation thank you very much
Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:46:00 - [88] Originally by: Corin en Daire The speed of light is taken for when light is in a complete vacuum. See Wikipedia. Every medium has a permittivity constant, even a vacuum. As it's impossible to achieve perfect vacuum in practice, it would be rather difficult to measure the speed of light in it.
Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:50:00 - [89] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac Well that's just nonsense. That's even worse than the dark matter explanation for giving ships a "top speed" attribute. There's no friction in space travel to begin with, and you still have to accelerate the ship at a rate of billions of Gs which is going to reduce your crew to strawberry jam and require a ridiculous amount of energy. And if you even solve those problems the lightspeed barrier is still as strong as ever. I think I'll keep my own explanation thank you very much sigh Here, I even dug out the article for you: http://www.eveonline.com/background/jump/jump_05.asp "All space ships are equipped with a jump drive device. The jump drive creates depleted vacuum by repeatedly æcompressingÆ vacuum between two polar discs, draining all energy neutrons and quarks out of it. A laser-locked field is then created to hold the ever-increasing depleted vacuum bubble until it has enveloped the whole ship. When that happens the ship is able to enter FTL speed"
Corin en Daire	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:52:00 - [90] Edited by: Corin en Daire on 28/06/2011 15:56:15 Edited by: Corin en Daire on 28/06/2011 15:54:51 Edited by: Corin en Daire on 28/06/2011 15:53:01 Originally by: Serpent Kamri As it's impossible to achieve perfect vacuum in practice, it would be rather difficult to measure the speed of light in it. They don't measure the maximum speed of light, they calculate it due to quantum uncertainty (momentum and velocity can not be measured simultaneously to an infinite precision). Mind you, like all things in science, nothing is an absolute truth; a photon's calculated maximum velocity in a complete vacuum (meaning emptied of all matter) comes from the equations of today's theories. Many technologies of today's science come purely from the results of our theories' mathematical equations. edit: I'm talking about maximum velocity of light, here. It is completely normal to have a photon going less than the speed of light. Yes, you can measure the speed of light, but you'll always end up with something less than the calculated maximum speed.

Corin en Daire	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:01:00 - [91] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac [There's no friction in space travel to begin with... Friction in space, as written from a physicist at the Argonne National Laboratory. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy05/phy05162.htm There are still atoms of matter floating around in space. How do you think the planets and stars formed, to begin with?
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:06:00 - [92] So when my half kilometre-long maelstrom travels with the warp drive, it's actually using the warp drive merely to remove the lightspeed barrier and using the standard drive to accelerate to that speed? Why can't I accelerate at billions of Gs in the same way during combat, and fly around at hundreds of kilometres a second? Also why don't the particles of the ship and it's pressurised atmospheric habitat count when figuring out if the warp bubble contains a "perfect" vacum?
xeitgeist	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:06:00 - [93] Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Originally by: xeitgeist Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:09:05 and what kind of moron thinks lasers have recoil? This kind. Electromagnetic radiation is of non-zero energy with non-zero frequency. Re: Blasters, depending on the mass of the plasma ejected from the cyclotron and how the device is mounted on the hull, visible recoil may or may not occur. But the recoil effect in itself is still there. If it's firmly attached and contains no moving parts, it would affect the ship as a whole and be less noticeable, perhaps to the point of being justifiably neglected in game animations. Depending of course on the ability of the ship itself to compensate for it. Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:10:00 - [94] Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 28/06/2011 16:10:26 Originally by: Athellant Nardieu Originally by: Cataca Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Fellblade There is recoil on railguns. QFT Every force has a counterforce, even light. Light isn't a force. Tell that to the solar winds, essentially the Sun's farts.
Corin en Daire	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:14:00 - [95] Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science. Matter = energy = matter. Ever head of "E = mc^2," "energy is equal to mass times ..." ? You can also rewrite it to a very valid m = E/c^2, where "mass equals energy divided by ..."
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:15:00 - [96] Originally by: xeitgeist Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Originally by: xeitgeist Edited by: xeitgeist on 28/06/2011 15:09:05 and what kind of moron thinks lasers have recoil? This kind. Electromagnetic radiation is of non-zero energy with non-zero frequency. Re: Blasters, depending on the mass of the plasma ejected from the cyclotron and how the device is mounted on the hull, visible recoil may or may not occur. But the recoil effect in itself is still there. If it's firmly attached and contains no moving parts, it would affect the ship as a whole and be less noticeable, perhaps to the point of being justifiably neglected in game animations. Depending of course on the ability of the ship itself to compensate for it. Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science. I sincerely hope you are just trolling, and that you are not considering physics research as a future career option. Would read again.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:17:00 - [97] Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science. I sincerely hope you are just trolling, and that you are not considering physics research as a future career option. It's hard to have a state of matter without matterà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Gah'q Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:44:00 - [98] Who uses railguns anyway ? Projectile weapons are all the rage nowadays.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:51:00 - [99] Originally by: Gah'q Who uses railguns anyway ? Projectile weapons are all the rage nowadays. Not sure if serious. Railguns are projectile weapons. :p
Saint Lazarus Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:53:00 - [100] I just checked in game, confirming Railguns DO have recoil. ----------------- My EvE Comic

Gah'q Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Vin Hellsing Originally by: Gah'q Who uses railguns anyway ? Projectile weapons are all the rage nowadays. Not sure if serious. Railguns are projectile weapons. :p Not as funny if I have to explain it. Just look up Railguns and Projectile Turrets when the Market comes back up and you'll see my point.
Satander Zeiss Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:00:00 - [102] I use monocle guns because they produce backlash rather than recoil!
Calden De'Altos	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:01:00 - [103] Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 17:02:54 Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 17:02:35 Just for the people who don't understand how a rail gun works (in theory): Its very simular to how a monorail train works (electromagnetic rails). Magnets are turned on and off rapidly causing the train with opposite-poled magnets on it, to accelertae do to the desire of the two magnets to repel each other. The rail gun does the same thing by using magnets to propel (or rather repell) its ammo out of the barrel. So, now that the physics have been described, has anyone seen a momorial have recoil? I thought not.
Sader Rykane Amarr The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:10:00 - [104] Originally by: Tippia Ah, language, how ambiguous you areà Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren Railguns do not have recoil Do you meant that they have recoil and shouldn't, or that they should have recoil and don't. Quote: avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. With which things, exactly? With turrets? With railguns? I always thought they retracted because if you hit an insect flying at 9 a/u sec it'd rip the turret right off.
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Ira Astrum Edited by: Ira Astrum on 28/06/2011 10:37:22 Will you just sod off? This complaining and whining has just gone too far now. Jumping on CCP's back with every little concern, gripe, foible and rant is just pathetic. They've given us the answer we wanted to hear, so stop being ******s and let them do their jobs. More to the point, recoil looks cool*. Thats kinda what the Forums are for. If a player isnt happy with something, they post about it. Other players confirm or deny their assimilations. And the the devs can fix it, work on it, whatever. I think www.iloveeveandwanttotalkaboutit.com is still an open web address.
Darik Jita	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:20:00 - [106] Paging Isaac Newton...
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:20:00 - [107] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science. I sincerely hope you are just trolling, and that you are not considering physics research as a future career option. It's hard to have a state of matter without matterà It's hard to what now? Somebody posted perfectly good equations a bit above on mass-energy equivalence. Which is completely irrelevant anyway, as plasma is a state of matter. Specifically ionized gas. Which by definition is made up of atoms, ergo it is matter. Therefore it certainly has a mass value, depending on the element(s) involved. It takes a certain amount of energy to accelerate that mass. Which causes recoil. I recommend googling if you require a more thorough explanation. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:28:00 - [108] Originally by: Corin en Daire Edited by: Corin en Daire on 28/06/2011 15:39:15 Originally by: Serpent Kamri That's not entirely true actually, EVE warping is based on the theory that everything can move faster in complete vacuum ( called "perfect vacuum" ), including light. The warp drives create a bubble of a sort around the ship that clears all matter and energy particles, and then spends the rest of the capacitor power to give the ship a good speed boost. Warp drives are like slightly fancier MWDs with shiny bubbles. The speed of light is taken for when light is in a complete vacuum. See Wikipedia. Every medium has a permittivity constant, even a vacuum. No, it is based on the speed of light in a "normal" complete vacuum. If you reduce the potential zero point energy of the vacuum you allow light to travel faster. The description in Eve lore is based on reducing the upper limit of the vacuum expectation value through use of the Casmir effect. By reducing the wavelengths that can exist in the vacuum you lower the energy state of the vacuum, thus allowing light to travel faster than the speed of light would be in a "normal" energy vacuum. It may sound crazy, but that's physics Jim. Retro sig
Xionis Zeshun	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:31:00 - [109] Lazers don't have recoil, they have cooling sheaths. Or at least that's how I think of it. Since they added heat glow to the barrels, and space is a ****ty place to try and get rid of heat (wonder how many people gonna argue that one), it makes sense to include some kind of heat sink the barrel can retract into before the next shot.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:32:00 - [110] Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2011 17:32:53 Originally by: Ellen Forestfire It's hard to what now? It's hard to have a state of matter (e.g. plasma) without matter (which exists in the state in question). Quote: I recommend googling if you require a more thorough explanation. I recommend quoting the right post if you're going to argue a point someone made. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP

Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:33:00 - [111] The Turrets are CLEARLY in a Superposition. They arent arent, they arent are, they arent arent or are at the same are. CLEARLY.
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 - [112] Edited by: Crispin McTarmac on 28/06/2011 17:39:57 Originally by: Xionis Zeshun Lazers don't have recoil, they have cooling sheaths. Or at least that's how I think of it. Since they added heat glow to the barrels, and space is a ****ty place to try and get rid of heat (wonder how many people gonna argue that one), it makes sense to include some kind of heat sink the barrel can retract into before the next shot. Nice, I hadn't thought of that. Or perhaps it's some oddball design which incorporates a coolant pump into the structure of the barrel itself, pumping hot fluid into radiator veins and emitting the heat into space.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:09:00 - [113] Edited by: Ellen Forestfire on 28/06/2011 18:10:28 Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2011 17:32:53It's hard to have a state of matter (e.g. plasma) without matter (which exists in the state in question). I recommend quoting the right post if you're going to argue a point someone made. Absence of matter was never suggested or implied in any way or form. Unless you deliberately take words out of context, a reference to plasma does refer to the matter that it is a state of. Not to the actual state of matter as a term in the scientific field of physics or chemistry. There is no sense in elaborating to "the electrically neutral medium that is a shapeless form of typically highly conductive matter composed of unbound but non-free positive ions of element X and negative electrons". There is also very little to argue towards troll posts besides pretending to be polite and giving the benefit of the doubt. Ultimately completely irrelevant to the recoil of Blasters regardless. To return to the original point of the whole forum thread, technically all of the main weapon types(projectiles, hybrids, energy and missile weapons) have some form of recoil, but it would be least noticeable for missiles(only relevant to the means with which the missile exits the tube or other module) and lasers(it would take a tremendously high energy beam to produce recoil noticeable to the naked eye). Not necessarily in that order, though. But considering you can see the laser beams to begin with in the absence of an appropriate medium, it should be the least of all concerns in terms of realism. Lasers should be completely invisible in space even to cameras unless it's reflected off something or excites a medium to the point of emitting light. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:16:00 - [114] Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2011 18:17:34 Originally by: Ellen Forestfire Absence of matter was never suggested or implied in any way or form. He wrote: ôPlasma is matter, not energyö to which you strangely answered ôI sincerely hope you are just trollingöà àso it sounds like you rather did imply it. Yes, I know the context, but the way you answered that post, you said something that was quite the opposite of what you probably meant. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Llambda Space Llama Industries	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:20:00 - [115] Originally by: Calden De'Altos So, now that the physics have been described, has anyone seen a momorial have recoil? I thought not. http://memedepot.com/uploads/0/207_not_sure_if_serious.jpg
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:28:00 - [116] Originally by: Ellen Forestfire But considering you can see the laser beams to begin with in the absence of an appropriate medium, it should be the least of all concerns in terms of realism. Lasers should be completely invisible in space even to cameras unless it's reflected off something or excites a medium to the point of emitting light. That's not really a problem. Being able to see where a laser is firing is useful information to have on your screen, so it makes sense to assume that the camera drone is rendering a laser beam effect for this purpose.
Nubia Sekhen Gallente Majestic-5	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:04:00 - [117] Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. There is a point in here. It's sort of half-true. The matter that build up the warhead (that is blown apart) will act as a vibration/shockwave. When it hits something, there energy will be transfered. If the energy is transfered in to our ears or a device to record them, there will be sounds. Since most shockwaves travel faster then "normal sound", you are correct! There is more behind this, but I just can't be bothered to explain everything. Think a little for your selves.
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:09:00 - [118] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2011 18:17:34 He wrote: ôPlasma is matter, not energyö to which you strangely answered ôI sincerely hope you are just trollingöà àso it sounds like you rather did imply it. Yes, I know the context, but the way you answered that post, you said something that was quite the opposite of what you probably meant. The 'strange answer' was in reference to mass-energy equivalence. In calculations related to acceleration it would be treated as matter. Perhaps it was poorly worded, but I assumed that anybody discussing it would be aware of the old E = mc^2 equation and not claim such a thing except with the intention of trolling around(considering the half-baked insult embedded in it, which is now also in my signature) or by mistake. Hence the comment. Especially considering its lack of relevance to the topic(Strange statement to use as a reply to a post focused on the recoil of a mass exiting a weapon based around a cyclotron). Hopefully it is cleared up now though. Personally I just like the recoil effects regardless of their realism. It would be boring were they completely still. Aesthetics in computer games always appeal to me. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
Wannabehero Wayward Ventures	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:11:00 - [119] Edited by: Wannabehero on 28/06/2011 19:14:52 Having made a railgun IRL, I can't tell you they do, in fact, have recoil. Impressive recoil TBH. Edit: And if you happen to wire your current backwards, they have impressive... um... opposite of recoil... discoil maybe? uncoil? Lets just call it forward impulse --- ≡√≡ Don't harsh my mellow
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:17:00 - [120] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54aLcC3G74&feature=related Well theres an actual one firing. See if that helps.

Najian Noctiscion	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk The Turrets are CLEARLY in a Superposition. They arent arent, they arent are, they arent arent or are at the same are. CLEARLY. I see it now. We can not fight the destiny of EVE, unless it is our destiny to fight destiny, in which case we can not not fight destiny unless we choose to fight that by not fighting it.
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.06.28 20:48:00 - [122] What about the new laser turrets with recoil? It does make you wonder about the schooling of Eve devs. -- Frog blast the vent core!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Emminent Terraforming O.G.-Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 22:53:00 - [123] Originally by: Calden De'Altos Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 17:02:54 Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 28/06/2011 17:02:35 Just for the people who don't understand how a rail gun works (in theory): Its very simular to how a monorail train works (electromagnetic rails). Magnets are turned on and off rapidly causing the train with opposite-poled magnets on it, to accelertae do to the desire of the two magnets to repel each other. The rail gun does the same thing by using magnets to propel (or rather repell) its ammo out of the barrel. So, now that the physics have been described, has anyone seen a momorial have recoil? I thought not. You mean a Maglev train, A monorail can be any train that uses a single rail. the most famous example in the world being the Disney World Monorail which is traction driven on a concrete beam. A Maglev is like what they have to some airport in China that goes something crazy like 300mph.
52 MonocIes 52 Monocles	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:07:00 - [124] Railguns, blasters, LASERs don't have recoil. We even have recoiless projectile guns right now. You could also argue, that lasers don't have visible beams in space. That there is no sound in space, and no maximum speed in space. And no, going faster in space has nothing to do with your capability to control the ship at that speed. Those are all gameplay aspects. They are added to make the game more fun, not more realistic. So... about recoil: The point is. RECOIL ANIMATIONS LOOK BETTER THAN LACK THEREOF. Yeah, thats all. -- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Threadnaughts on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Ellen Forestfire Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:09:00 - [125] Originally by: 52 MonocIes Railguns, blasters, LASERs don't have recoil. We even have recoiless projectile guns right now. You could also argue, that lasers don't have visible beams in space. That there is no sound in space, and no maximum speed in space. And no, going faster in space has nothing to do with your capability to control the ship at that speed. Those are all gameplay aspects. They are added to make the game more fun, not more realistic. So... about recoil: The point is. RECOIL ANIMATIONS LOOK BETTER THAN LACK THEREOF. Yeah, thats all. All of the mentioned do have recoil. --------------- Originally by: xeitgeist Plasma is matter, not energy turd brain. lern 2 science.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. They could be also using some special kind of explosive matter to make electromagnetism propelled shells more effective, thus the recoil...
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:58:00 - [127] Originally by: Wannabehero Edited by: Wannabehero on 28/06/2011 19:14:52 Having made a railgun IRL, I can't tell you they do, in fact, have recoil. Impressive recoil TBH. Edit: And if you happen to wire your current backwards, they have impressive... um... opposite of recoil... discoil maybe? uncoil? Lets just call it forward impulse You shot the gun instead of the projectile?
Pure Tabasco	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:58:00 - [128] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Wannabehero Edited by: Wannabehero on 28/06/2011 19:14:52 Having made a railgun IRL, I can't tell you they do, in fact, have recoil. Impressive recoil TBH. Edit: And if you happen to wire your current backwards, they have impressive... um... opposite of recoil... discoil maybe? uncoil? Lets just call it forward impulse You shot the gun instead of the projectile? AWESOME -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Until CSM tells me a good change coming from CCP.
Viking Sven	Posted - 2011.06.29 05:00:00 - [129] Art team too busy making Dust and WoD. Can't be arsed with silly things like RAILGUNS.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.29 05:04:00 - [130] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 29/06/2011 05:07:31 Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know. They do have recoil. Conservation of energy, and all that... And, railguns work by turning on magnets at just the right timing. Why couldnt railguns in the future move their casing in order to minimize the actual gun size, but still allowing for acceleration as if the rail was twice as long? And as for lasers, why couldnt they need to 'compress' the gas contained in them to improve their energy output? Who knows. Why the ** does my ship stop when i turn the engines off? And why does my ship auto-level itself... its a **ing videogame

Oooooh Aaaaah	Posted - 2011.06.29 05:06:00 - [131] Lol - OP fits railguns....
Akara Ito Amarr Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.29 05:09:00 - [132] Edited by: Akara Ito on 29/06/2011 05:11:54 Edited by: Akara Ito on 29/06/2011 05:09:10 Originally by: Najian Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound. The Pod simulates sound in order to provide a more natural enviroment. Help Pilots to get a better sense of space and directions, and has been explained that way in a Chronicle if I remember right. *runs before somebody asks about inertia


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