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Hans Crow
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:29:00 -
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Guys,
I'm a little concerned at the short notice CCP has given the CSM team to fly out to Iceland. I imagine prior engagements, obligations, etc might not allow some CSM delegates to actually make the trip, not to mention there could even be some who don't have up-to-date passports.
Can we have a tally of who's going and who simply can't make it?
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Largo LaGrande
R E D E M P T I O N
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:33:00 -
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What makes you think somebody would give up a free vacation????
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Dr Geiger
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:36:00 -
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Would also like to know how many are able to make this trip at such short notice.
Mainly would like to know who and how many will be representing us at this meeting.
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Hans Crow
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Largo LaGrande
What makes you think somebody would give up a free vacation????
Haha, trust me, part of me really envies the CSMs. I'd personally do everything I can to make time to do it, but I imagine there are still simply tons of reasons why a CSM simply couldn't make it. Work obligations, weddings to go to, wife aggro, etc.
I just want to make sure, despite all the reasons why a CSM should definitely go to Iceland, that we the players will be sufficiently represented and it won't just be one or two delegates who actually go.
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:39:00 -
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I'd like to know, too, Dr. Geiger.
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Megs Pegs Fidard
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Largo LaGrande
What makes you think somebody would give up a free vacation????
There's no such thing as a free vacation.
Time off work (you only get so many days off a year you know?) Time from friends, family and even the little things you don't think of until you go on holiday, all cost either your time or money.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:48:00 -
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It doesn't matter who goes. CCP will already know what "concessions" they will make before this meeting.
They are just calling it so they can give their volunteer pr department (CSM) credit. |
Borun Tal
Minmatar
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Largo LaGrande
What makes you think somebody would give up a free vacation????
Because not all game players are teenagers sitting in mommy's living room during summer break. |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:03:00 -
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CORPORATE SH*T MANAGEMENT
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Largo LaGrande
What makes you think somebody would give up a free vacation????
Oh I dunno, trying to take 2 days off from work in short notice, having to explain that you can't go to work because of internet spaceships. Sounds like a great free trip!
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Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:34:00 -
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I find it amusing... amidst all the chaos, and shouting about microtransactions, how can CCP afford this trip? Oh yes, with the subscription fees we all pay and the monacles sold.
What is it that requires a trip to Iceland that can't be done over vent/TS3, or jabber/mumble? Hell, even Skype or email. Why the face-to-face meeting that is going to be a waste of time and a waste of money??
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Versuvius Marii
I find it amusing... amidst all the chaos, and shouting about microtransactions, how can CCP afford this trip? Oh yes, with the subscription fees we all pay and the monacles sold.
What is it that requires a trip to Iceland that can't be done over vent/TS3, or jabber/mumble? Hell, even Skype or email. Why the face-to-face meeting that is going to be a waste of time and a waste of money??
I do find myself wondering the same, the only reason I could think of to going to CCP face-to-face is to to smack them in their faces with copies of Star Wars Galaxies
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Heathyy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Heathyy on 28/06/2011 15:42:13
sexual favours aren't as good in virtual form, publicity is probably the sole reason ofc.
besides it takes time to create clusterfk fixes the 2 days from now for example, if they did it over vent it would be leaked everywhere and semi quoted, remixed on youtube.. etc etc
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Versuvius Marii
I find it amusing... amidst all the chaos, and shouting about microtransactions, how can CCP afford this trip? Oh yes, with the subscription fees we all pay and the monacles sold.
What is it that requires a trip to Iceland that can't be done over vent/TS3, or jabber/mumble? Hell, even Skype or email. Why the face-to-face meeting that is going to be a waste of time and a waste of money??
Stop being logical.
That wouldn't be as effective pr.
They need to really really show that they do listen to the players. So you have to fly them in. They want to say it was only after meeting with csm theat they could fully understand the players perspective.
Really this whole meeting with csm is a complete sham.
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Baske
THE PAROXYSM
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Versuvius Marii
I find it amusing... amidst all the chaos, and shouting about microtransactions, how can CCP afford this trip? Oh yes, with the subscription fees we all pay and the monacles sold.
What is it that requires a trip to Iceland that can't be done over vent/TS3, or jabber/mumble? Hell, even Skype or email. Why the face-to-face meeting that is going to be a waste of time and a waste of money??
80% of communication is body language.
Personally I am happy to have CSM flown to Iceland. It's much easier to tell if people are being genuine when you meet them in person.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Baske
80% of communication is body language.
Personally I am happy to have CSM flown to Iceland. It's much easier to tell if people are being genuine when you meet them in person.
80% of communication is body language.
Personally I am happy to have CSM flown to Iceland. It's much easier to penetrate them anally in person.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Baske
80% of communication is body language.
Personally I am happy to have CSM flown to Iceland. It's much easier to tell if people are being genuine when you meet them in person.
80% of communication is body language.
Personally I am happy to have CSM flown to Iceland. It's much easier to penetrate them anally in person.
That explains your avatar. Did you try to pick up the soap? 
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/06/2011 16:16:32
Originally by: Hans Crow
Guys,
I'm a little concerned at the short notice CCP has given the CSM team to fly out to Iceland. I imagine prior engagements, obligations, etc might not allow some CSM delegates to actually make the trip, not to mention there could even be some who don't have up-to-date passports.
Can we have a tally of who's going and who simply can't make it?
They should go! Do you know why? because thats what I voted on them for! To speak with CCP on "my" behalf! They do owe that to their voters!
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:16:00 -
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Hm, when we see pictures of the CSM with pretty girls by their side, we know whats going on 
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notMoolti
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:17:00 -
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I've been able to confirm
Going:
Two Step
Trebor
Mitanni
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
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Selene Bork
Caldari
Celtic industries
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: notMoolti
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Making a note here it's Seleene.
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notMoolti
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Selene Bork
Originally by: notMoolti
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Making a note here it's Seleene.
do'oh!
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/06/2011 16:22:23
Originally by: notMoolti
I've been able to confirm
Going:
Two Step
Trebor
Mitanni
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Natalie Cerulean
Caldari
Arekin Piggy Bank
Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:22:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CSM
"The following CCP agreed rules apply for Elected Council members missing meetings:
Miss 1 meeting - No penalty
miss 2 meetings - Alternate substitutes you for the next 2 meetings
Miss 3 meetings - Alternate substitutes you for the next 2 meetings
Miss 4 meetings - You are down-graded to Alternate and the next Alternate becomes a council member.
This rule refers to concurrent meetings missed and you do not apply if you warn your colleagues (X Days) before the meeting starts."
Dunno what sort of notice they were required to give for this or not though but, missing a CSM meeting sounds pretty damnable.
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notMoolti
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Natalie Cerulean
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CSM
"The following CCP agreed rules apply for Elected Council members missing meetings:
Miss 1 meeting - No penalty
miss 2 meetings - Alternate substitutes you for the next 2 meetings
Miss 3 meetings - Alternate substitutes you for the next 2 meetings
Miss 4 meetings - You are down-graded to Alternate and the next Alternate becomes a council member.
This rule refers to concurrent meetings missed and you do not apply if you warn your colleagues (X Days) before the meeting starts."
Dunno what sort of notice they were required to give for this or not though but, missing a CSM meeting sounds pretty damnable.
Missing a meeting that had less than a week of notice isn't quite to damnable in my book. No matter how serious internet spaceships may be.
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Morae
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Morae on 28/06/2011 16:26:06
On a related note, a coworker and I were wondering yesterday how, exactly, the CSMs are making this one on such short notice (assuming they have jobs and other obligations).
How exactly do you tell your employer, "Yeah, uh... I need half the week off. I have to fly to Iceland for an emergency meeting of the CSM..."
Employer: CSM?
CSM delegate: The uh... *cough*councilofstellarmanagement*cough*
Employer: Stellar what?
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/06/2011 16:22:23
Originally by: notMoolti
I've been able to confirm
Going:
Two Step
Trebor
Mitanni
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
Because it's easy to take 2 days off of work for "internet spaceships" on short notice, grow a ****ing brain will you.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/06/2011 16:22:23
Originally by: notMoolti
I've been able to confirm
Going:
Two Step
Trebor
Mitanni
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
Because it's easy to take 2 days off of work for "internet spaceships" on short notice, grow a ****ing brain will you.
call in sick or let grandma nr.6 die, where is the problem? 
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Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal
Because not all game players are teenagers sitting in mommy's living room during summer break.
Not all game players have run for a position in which they're the representatives the rest of the players of the game.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/06/2011 16:22:23
Originally by: notMoolti
I've been able to confirm
Going:
Two Step
Trebor
Mitanni
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
Because it's easy to take 2 days off of work for "internet spaceships" on short notice, grow a ****ing brain will you.
I did mention a good excuse did I? That might qualify for it!
What do not qualify is not going because they protest! That is a reason for being expelled!
So maybe its you who should grow a brain.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 28/06/2011 16:32:42
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
I'd say real world commitments e.g their JOBS take priority over some game on the internet.
Originally by: Morae
Edited by: Morae on 28/06/2011 16:30:01
On a related note, a coworker and I were wondering yesterday how, exactly, the CSMs are making this one on such short notice (assuming they have jobs and other obligations).
How exactly do you tell your employer, "Yeah, uh... I need half the week off. I have to fly to Iceland for an emergency meeting of the CSM..."
Employer: CSM?
CSM delegate: The uh... *cough*councilofstellarmanagement*cough*
Employer: Stellar what?
CSM delegate: It's... like NASA. Yeah.
lol
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Cage Shadownsun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
I think you need to step away from the computer, get out into the sunlight, and realize just how much Internet Spaceships really mean in the long run.
Hint: It's about [] this much.
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Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Morae
Edited by: Morae on 28/06/2011 16:30:01
On a related note, a coworker and I were wondering yesterday how, exactly, the CSMs are making this one on such short notice (assuming they have jobs and other obligations).
How exactly do you tell your employer, "Yeah, uh... I need half the week off. I have to fly to Iceland for an emergency meeting of the CSM..."
Employer: CSM?
CSM delegate: The uh... *cough*councilofstellarmanagement*cough*
Employer: Stellar what?
CSM delegate: It's... like NASA. Yeah.
Nah, just call up and use a puke sound generating keyboard.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 28/06/2011 16:37:08
Out of curiosity, how long flights is it as well? Two days of CSM meetings might very well end up eating up four days of your RL/work time. Quite severe if you can't plan ahead.
Edit; as in how long flights, for those who has long ones.. ten hours for western US and/or Aussies?
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Versuvius Marii
Why the face-to-face meeting
Maybe it's a fist-to-face meeting? lol
Seriously:
Body language is an important means of communication. And privacy is a concern. CCP can not technically guarantee IT security of CSM member computers.
Real life meetings are good.
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notMoolti
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Edited by: Misanth on 28/06/2011 16:37:08
Out of curiosity, how long flights is it as well? Two days of CSM meetings might very well end up eating up four days of your RL/work time. Quite severe if you can't plan ahead.
Edit; as in how long flights, for those who has long ones.. ten hours for western US and/or Aussies?
17 hours from SFO.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:40:00 -
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Who cares.
Do you really think CCP needs the CSMs to get player feedback on a game that they play themselves and know more about than any non-CCP employee? I am not knocking the CSMs as players or people, I did the same job for a different game (and it was a massive pain in the ass), but the folks who believe that CCP are clueless or ignorant are fools.
And in the case of this game, where selection of CSM is a popularity contest more than anything else, the idea that these fine folks are necessary or add something to the discussion is ridiculous.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Cooper on 28/06/2011 16:42:25
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/06/2011 16:22:23
Originally by: notMoolti
I've been able to confirm
Going:
Two Step
Trebor
Mitanni
Not going:
Saleene
If anyone else knows Yea or Neas please do let us all know.
Not to go to speak with CCp when they are needed most is a treachery to their voters!
They should go, and unless they have a good explanation of why they cant they should be expelled from CSM. Its not in "peacetime" the CSM are needed. its in time of "turmoil and trouble"
Because it's easy to take 2 days off of work for "internet spaceships" on short notice, grow a ****ing brain will you.
I did mention a good excuse did I? That might qualify for it!
What do not qualify is not going because they protest! That is a reason for being expelled!
So maybe its you who should grow a brain.
No, the post simply shows you're a whining idiot who wanted to add to the "discussion". Knowing Seleene's background, do you really think that he'd pass unless he had a pretty good reason? Or any of the other CSM we have atm? NO? thought so.
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Hans Crow
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Edited by: Misanth on 28/06/2011 16:37:08
Out of curiosity, how long flights is it as well? Two days of CSM meetings might very well end up eating up four days of your RL/work time. Quite severe if you can't plan ahead.
Edit; as in how long flights, for those who has long ones.. ten hours for western US and/or Aussies?
It's probably more like 7-8 hours from western US. Far longer for Aussies.
Keep in mind this doesn't account for layovers and possible volcano-induced delays. I bet only Los Angeles and *maybe* Seattle and San Francisco would have non-stop flights to Iceland from the western US. Aussies will probably almost definitely need at least one layover, possibly even two. I could easily see a flight from Australia to Iceland taking more than 16 hours.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: notMoolti
17 hours from SFO.
That can't possibly be right. Did you account for timezones? I think it's closer to 8-9 hours.
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Valerian Archer
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:42:00 -
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Passports?
Not with the new stealth ship CCP has recently purchased with Monocle revenue.
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Ella Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:44:00 -
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How exactly do you tell your employer, "Yeah, uh... I need half the week off. I have to fly to Iceland for an emergency meeting of the CSM..."
Employer: CSM?
CSM delegate: The uh... *cough*councilofstellarmanagement*cough*
Employer: Stellar what?
CSM delegate: It's... like NASA. Yeah.
This, good sir made me laugh 
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notMoolti
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Crow
Originally by: Misanth
Edited by: Misanth on 28/06/2011 16:37:08
Out of curiosity, how long flights is it as well? Two days of CSM meetings might very well end up eating up four days of your RL/work time. Quite severe if you can't plan ahead.
Edit; as in how long flights, for those who has long ones.. ten hours for western US and/or Aussies?
It's probably more like 7-8 hours from western US. Far longer for Aussies.
Keep in mind this doesn't account for layovers and possible volcano-induced delays. I bet only Los Angeles and *maybe* Seattle and San Francisco would have non-stop flights to Iceland from the western US. Aussies will probably almost definitely need at least one layover, possibly even two. I could easily see a flight from Australia to Iceland taking more than 16 hours.
like i said earlier 17-ish hours total travel time form San Fransisco. Curiously from Sydney it's closer to 30 hours total travel time.
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Xenuria
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Crow
Guys,
I'm a little concerned at the short notice CCP has given the CSM team to fly out to Iceland. I imagine prior engagements, obligations, etc might not allow some CSM delegates to actually make the trip, not to mention there could even be some who don't have up-to-date passports.
Can we have a tally of who's going and who simply can't make it?
Heres the big joke... CCP actually makes the CSM fly to iceland when they could just as easily do things over skype or some other net based meeting software.
"Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
Heres the big joke... CCP actually makes the CSM fly to iceland when they could just as easily do things over skype or some other net based meeting software.
And we wonder why they have fiscal problems. Seriously though, I'm betting it's just a way to reward CSM for listening to CCP's side of the story. A bribe of sorts.
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Digital Messiah on 28/06/2011 16:47:47
I imagine even if they can't be flown out, with programs like skype and other video calling services. It shouldn't be that hard to have them there at least at a virtual level. So I don't even really see the reason to fly out at all. Unless of course the CSM's have magical powers that will make the difference by being there in person.
Quote:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Dr Geiger
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:48:00 -
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At such short notice it's not surprising, but Seleene not attending is bad news.
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Imnothuman
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:51:00 -
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i hear PL are running the security for this gathering, apparently they are getting free monicles to all who attend  
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ExcalibursTemplar
Caldari
Citadel Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Morae
Edited by: Morae on 28/06/2011 16:30:01
On a related note, a coworker and I were wondering yesterday how, exactly, the CSMs are making this one on such short notice (assuming they have jobs and other obligations).
How exactly do you tell your employer, "Yeah, uh... I need half the week off. I have to fly to Iceland for an emergency meeting of the CSM..."
Employer: CSM?
CSM delegate: The uh... *cough*councilofstellarmanagement*cough*
Employer: Stellar what?
CSM delegate: It's... like NASA. Yeah.
Lmao you've got a good point a funny one but none the less a real point.
About these protest CCP
Quote:
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
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Hans Crow
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:59:00 -
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At the very LEAST what they should do is at least offer a skype option. I mean, come on, they were able to stream Eve Fest LIVE. Why can't they allow delegates who can't make it due to having a life call in?
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