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Sylvia von Harden	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:01:00 - [1] I am looking for financial advice for my new corporation: Looking Glass Models, Eve's Premiere Modelling and Escort Service. Need: Male and female escorts may be needed for bars, parties, gatherings, to hang out with, to look tough/good with. Models may be needed for promotions and apparel modelling. Goal: Maintain a service where clients can book models/escorts online, and be able to select additional services, e.g. model and apparel. Plan: Recruit directors or managers for Recruitment, Advertisement, Accounting and Website Management. Recruit or register a large number of models. Models need not be in corp. A mailing list may update all registered models about bookings/offers. Preferably models may be updated via email directly from the website. The website will have portfolios of all models (in addition to the booking service). Each model may have different profiles (change in apparel, hair, make up) that clients could select. Client may have a favourites list, or specify 2nd and 3rd choice for a booking etc. All payments will be to corp. Corp will give 90% of the jobÆs payment to the model. Models may decide their own rates, if they so desire. These will be levied in addition to the basic charge. Corp takes 10% of all charges. Services may be charged: Per hour Flat rate for events Possibly a flat charge for each additional service Am looking for advice on: How much to charge? Is the 10% corp tax sufficient/too much? How should the Directors/Managers/Corp employees be paid? What should the policy be when a model does not show up for a job? What problems do you foresee? _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Saiph Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:05:00 - [2] Saw "escort service", read "prostitution in Incarna has arrived". I like the idea of what you're -actually- proposing, but it's somewhat reliant on the new Establishments features that we've had hints of, etc etc.
Tansen89	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:07:00 - [3] Uhhh I don't think this would work, were still imprisoned in our quarters / grounded by CCP at the moment. So I doubt you'd be able to much less likely to visit someone else's quarters let alone start cyber sexing like second life or some weird sims game.
Faith Clothos	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:09:00 - [4] Obvious Problem: Most everyone playing this (with some exceptions) Is a man. Are you going by shapely avatars, real life sex, or what?
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:13:00 - [5] Now here is a bit of innovation. The Problems I Foresee: - Not Truly Viable Until Station Walking Is Plausible - Small Market Base (Though I could be mistaken!) Honestly though, you have a unique idea, and I'm always supportive of that... I'd say get a solid plan together, make your "Rates" agreeable, and be all ready for when full station walking rolls out. The rate you charge is up to you, and so is the amount you take as a corporation. 10% doesn't seem outrageous. If the model doesn't show... always have a back-up! :) I'd be interested in hearing how you came up with the idea and such as well :)
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 28/06/2011 17:16:07 It depends - if they are actually willing to engage in real promotional work, to remain "on-message" and to patiently sit through advertising camera work etc, then your more established "celebrities" may become worth a great deal. That's assuming you can find the talent and promote it. Most of your income will come from a top few people - but if you can find or make one "star" you could earn billions by focusing the attention of EVE's player-base onto the new wave of real-money websites that should soon be launching. As for the escort/friendship work - obviously female voices/avatars will command more for that kind of thing. Make sure you don't find yourself on the wrong end of your country's prostitution or sexual harassment laws though Edit: also, are you a model in real life? If not, you might want to find someone with experience to help you.
Sylvia von Harden	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Tansen89 Uhhh I don't think this would work, were still imprisoned in our quarters / grounded by CCP at the moment. So I doubt you'd be able to much less likely to visit someone else's quarters let alone start cyber sexing like second life or some weird sims game. Am starting the service now, so I can register models and have the service ready when the doors open to stations. Whether models accept private "modelling" offers, will be up to them. Looking Glass Models will not offer cyber intercourse services. Think there may be enough of a market without resorting to the oldest profession. _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:24:00 - [8] As I said I think it's a great idea if just for it's uniqueness. I'm interested to see where it goes. Dropped you an EVE-Mail to hear some more details on your ideas/how much you've thought it out.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 - [9] First off, very original idea! As to what to charge, think of it in terms of time and how much you'll pay the models. Now, models will probably be the newer players, not likely older players (my guess) and you'd want to compare the time spent to the time spent just sitting in high sec mining or running low level missions. Pay the models a few million an hour. Add a few more million on top of that and I think you have the answer. Just my initial thoughts on it.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Saiph Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:42:00 - [10] FWIW, I could see bringing in "security" and/or arm candy (depending on the event in question) for RP reasons when coming to shindigs in Incarna, especially MD shindigs.
Sylvia von Harden	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Faith Clothos Obvious Problem: Most everyone playing this (with some exceptions) Is a man. Are you going by shapely avatars, real life sex, or what? Eve is an RPG, and men know that >90% of women in Eve are not really female. I do not anticipate this to be too much of a problem. There could be a market for RL females controlling female avatars. They could be promoted as such. I also see a need for burly, ugly avatars that could escort you in difficult meetings. Plain avatars may be hired as crowd in certain situations. So anyone with a bit of free time may escort. _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models
Sylvia von Harden	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edit: also, are you a model in real life? If not, you might want to find someone with experience to help you. A field trip to an escort service may be in the offing. Better still, I could get the client's perspective by going through the entire process I do not know anyone related to modelling in RL, thus not sure how to get help. Possibly a book? Originally by: Hexxx Now, models will probably be the newer players, not likely older players (my guess) and you'd want to compare the time spent to the time spent just sitting in high sec mining or running low level missions. How about: 15-20m per hour for ugly avatars or those who agree to low fees 25m per hour for good looking avatars. Basic rate. Different offers for events from 50-100m Additional charges: Selected model available: 25m (client can nominate 3 or more) Apparel/Hair/Make-up selection by client: 50m Profile select: 25m (otherwise model will go as is) Model personal booking fee: Any amount determined by model Think these are on the lower side? _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:28:00 - [13] I would avoid trying to have "Set" fees for the time being. Take the time to get to know your employees. Find out the ones who have a natural knack for being a social butterfly. Those are the ones who will earn you return business... and of course the burly fellows that can play a good intimidating role. All in all I think pay/rates should be performance based, as in the better they are, the higher they are able to charge. Perhaps forming some kind of baseline as a introductory rate.
Khanid Citizen1134	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:33:00 - [14] look up Amanda Babydoll ingame
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.28 20:59:00 - [15] this thread is gives me the creeps, guys pretending to be gals cybersexing even weirder desperate guys... for make believe money shivers
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:01:00 - [16] I do believe the OP said that "cybersexing" wasn't in the agenda. This service is directed at RP'ers looking to enrich their experience once station walking happens.
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:04:00 - [17] Edited by: Portmanteau on 28/06/2011 21:04:29 Originally by: Calypsa Aeurelieus I do believe the OP said that "cybersexing" wasn't in the agenda. This service is directed at RP'ers looking to enrich their experience once station walking happens. sorry but guy pretending to gal on date with weirder desperate guy (who knows date is really a another guy) for make believe money (and they are both most likely straight) just as freaking weird
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:06:00 - [18] I see what you are getting at, but there are plenty of less "weird" uses behind it. Public events, security guards, recruiters, ... There are a lot of possibilities that don't include a romantic endeavor.
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Calypsa Aeurelieus I see what you are getting at, but there are plenty of less "weird" uses behind it. Public events, security guards, recruiters, ... There are a lot of possibilities that don't include a romantic endeavor. lol ... can't see voice comms being used much in this venture gruff voice "hello I'm Barbara, you can call me babs"
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:18:00 - [20] Perhaps... but for the females out there who DO play EVE, this could prove to be a extra source of ISKIES.
Tehg Rhind	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:28:00 - [21] You have two major problems: 1). The target market is exceptionally small. You're only appealig to a very small amount of RPers. 2) What you offer has no rarity. Anyone can make a "model". You need to be able to argue why your product has a rarity that can be duplicated for free. It's a unique idea, but unique does not imply value. Still some work left to be done.
Calypsa Aeurelieus	Posted - 2011.06.28 21:35:00 - [22] Agreed. I admire the idea though, and I'm going to be keeping a close eye on progression. Just a matter of creating the demand for "your" models as opposed to just some joe-smoe
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.28 23:00:00 - [23] Edited by: egola on 28/06/2011 23:00:45 Edited by: egola on 28/06/2011 23:00:10 read this and immediately thought: OMG this
Sylvia von Harden	Posted - 2011.06.28 23:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Tehg Rhind Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 28/06/2011 21:46:41 You have two major problems: 1). The target market is exceptionally small. You're only appealig to a very small amount of RPers. 2) What you offer has no rarity. Anyone can make a "model". You need to be able to argue why your product has a rarity that can be duplicated for free. 1) Celebrity look-a-likes 2) Bizarro escorts: instead of having a beautiful model follow me, I would pay money for a really ugly/creepy looking guy to follow others. Target market is small, and advertisement will be challenging. My hope rests on getting the message to lonely rich men, who may pay for a party in their quarters. Just for the experience of having 10 people in there. Just because the service exists. We could arrange these gatherings, have them taped and the highlights uploaded to you tube as proof of the client's active social life in Eve. What we offer is not unique, but an escort in station is more fun than an alt. You may have limited friends that you can request to be there. They may be busy. We (may) have 500 models, and one of them is likely to be free when you need him/her. Having said all that, the market is small and difficult to target. Certainly a place for celebrity lookalikes. The idea of a stalking service is exciting, as it has great potential. All those people who put bounties on enemies's heads will pay for stalking in stations. We could have a side business of providing stalking services, with a sister operation providing security services (guards) to the stalked. _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.28 23:21:00 - [25] Jokingly I suggested this before. I suppose someone in Eve could do it ... but I also understand, though have no GM confirmation, that offering 'cyber services' of this nature, which of course you may flatly deny is your goal, is not allowed. So, do be careful. You may want to file a petition directly and ask what you can and can not offer in this regard. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
Rhivre Caldari TarNec	Posted - 2011.06.28 23:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Portmanteau lol ... can't see voice comms being used much in this venture gruff voice "hello I'm Barbara, you can call me babs" You know eve-voice has voice fonts right? :p As do vent and TS... waits for paranoid rush of people I dont know how good the eve voice one is, but I know the TS & Vent ones can be set up VERY nicely
Tehg Rhind	Posted - 2011.06.29 00:27:00 - [27] Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 28/06/2011 23:00:45 Edited by: egola on 28/06/2011 23:00:10 read this and immediately thought: OMG this And now I have thought of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSmMNzIfzyw
Sylvia von Harden	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Adunh Slavy You may want to file a petition directly and ask what you can and can not offer in this regard. As stated earlier, we do not plan to offer sexual services, but there are bound to be such connotations associated with all escort services. As advised, I'll file a petition. Best to know the limitations. _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.29 12:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Tehg Rhind 1) Celebrity look-a-likes: get Chribba, Shadoo, or Vuk Lau to hang out with you and get in compromising positions. Except it's not them it's some look a like. . EULA cough
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Portmanteau EULA cough Only if they are called Chrabba, Shandooo and Vuk Lou - EULA doesn't yet mention "look-a-likes" only Impersonation. They'll be hard pressed to incorporate a line item for "Look-a-likes" a new user who has never logged into the game or even read the forums could create a Chribba look-a-like out of pure chance. What is CCP going to do, ban them, lose a customer for good? Over what? Just happen to create a character that looks identical to a "Game Celebrity?" I don't think so. Amarr for Life
ApophisXP Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:58:00 - [31] Sign me up please. Ps, does my bum look big in this? These posts represent my Personal views and not those of my Corporation nor my Alliance.
Get Paid	Posted - 2011.06.29 16:34:00 - [32] Haven't read through the whole thread so I don't know if this has been said yet. But even if 100 percent of the eve population would want be either a model, director, accountant, investor, consumer the biggest problem would be getting people to want to turn on cq or turning it on with out a computer meltdown. However I have a character named georgia jones :)
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.06.29 17:05:00 - [33] Edited by: SencneS on 29/06/2011 17:05:15 If you're going to charge 25mil per hour for an ugly avatar... I'm making "Amanda Karess" Gallantian male, looks like a chick.. LOL Amarr for Life
Serene Python	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:49:00 - [34] Only read the first 10 or so posts... I'd happily hire myself an escort and have them do things with corpses. Things that would make even the most vile people cringe... Things that these escorts would wish they charged 1000 times more... Things that aren't even speakable anymore! NAUGHTY things....
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2011.07.27 18:29:00 - [35] One thing to keep in mind is that even if you can get the avatars of new pilots to do social escort service for cheap, those new players won't stay new for long, and as they improve ingame skillz they'll find more interesting money-making opportunities. So you're going to have to continously recruit new escorts, chefily from among new players, as your old ones either retire explicitly, or else raise their fees. New players might also desire some help (from you perhaps), in terms of advice on how to make a cute avatar, usually same account-alt. Tips and tricks, what to do, what avoid. Same with advice for how to make a macho avatar for bodyguard escort service. I doubt I'll be a client any time soon, but in the longer term, having someone cute around during corp meetings, to serve drinks and hand out tablet computers, and giggle whenever I try to be funny, might be worthwhile. -- Salpad
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.07.28 13:00:00 - [36] Hey great idea! I'm interested as a potential customer!!
Ahsna5	Posted - 2011.07.28 13:05:00 - [37] Nice idear but i hope i will not went dry until WiS is comming. ............................................... service 4 u - make the mission runners life go easier
Gurgeh Murat Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.07.29 11:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Saw "escort service", read "prostitution in Incarna has arrived". Oh its arrived. Theres a female character who wanders around advertising her "services", she's kind of based herself off the travelling ho' from firefly. I first saw her in Jita, then a few days later travelling through renyn. Her prices had increased significantly over a few days so Im guessing theres a demand for "in character erotic chat" Probably not what CCP were hoping people would look forward to using WIS for Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
GreasyCarl Semah	Posted - 2011.07.29 16:22:00 - [39] When will the menu of "services" be made available?
Gaiofguys	Posted - 2011.07.30 02:50:00 - [40] Ohhh I ghet it - the whole demand for models is based on the roleplaying service. If your paying models by the hour, do they have to log timecards or something? Otherwise, it's difficult to prove when and when they aren't working - unless you're going for a 'join the corp, and I keep paying you until I decide to fire you' which would get expensive considering it might be difficlt to get work. Another method could be contractual. Indeedwatson is of average attractiveness and male, so I could probably be an 'ugly model' - but I could also give business advice on how to prepare for the slow weeks/months when the work is zilch. Maybe make me a junior accountant or something? That's just an another idea.
Gaiofguys	Posted - 2011.07.30 02:56:00 - [41] To the OP - we're all gonna wanna see the website, so be ready... :) Also, doesn't chribba look like a lot of avatars? Bald, white, amarrian... :P
Valor D'eglise Gallente Red Cross Of Gallente Federation	Posted - 2011.07.30 03:21:00 - [42] Interested in being hired. I have been told I look underage, while being not(!), guess there could be a market for that. Ugh, I cannot believe I just wrote that. However, I think it would be fun and if it earns some iskies...why not? I do have a lot of questions about the whole procedure. I just thinks it's still too early for that, though. I'll follow this thread.
Litair	Posted - 2011.07.30 20:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Valor D'eglise I have been told I look underage, while being not(!), guess there could be a market for that. Hi, I'm Litair and I approve this message. But anyways the whole thing about walking around on the station with other people, is still pretty far out in the future, no?
Pick en Tilavine	Posted - 2011.07.30 22:16:00 - [44] LMAO. This post gave me flashbacks of a certain obese character from a movie called "Gamer." Anywho, I think that 10% is much too low. I would go up to 25%-40% depending on the contractor.
Ardashir Sarum Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.31 20:28:00 - [45] Could use a steady supply of bodyguards... And at sunday, I take a bodygirl. What about Minmatar slaves? Anyway.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2011.08.01 10:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Valor D'eglise Interested in being hired. I have been told I look underage, while being not(!), guess there could be a market for that. Successful escort service is not just about model shape, but also about model behaviour. The two angles you can work is to look and act underage, or to look underage but act like you're not. There's (almost certainly) a clientel for each of these, and part of the trick is being able to quickly guess which kind of person each new client is. -- Salpad
OllieNorth Gallente R-K Industries	Posted - 2011.08.01 13:59:00 - [47] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Valor D'eglise Interested in being hired. I have been told I look underage, while being not(!), guess there could be a market for that. Successful escort service is not just about model shape, but also about model behaviour. The two angles you can work is to look and act underage, or to look underage but act like you're not. There's (almost certainly) a clientel for each of these, and part of the trick is being able to quickly guess which kind of person each new client is. Well, the whole "EvE is real" thing is being carried on strongly. This is starting to have a depressing post-Communism Eastern Europe feel.
Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Salpad One thing to keep in mind is that even if you can get the avatars of new pilots to do social escort service for cheap, those new players won't stay new for long, and as they improve ingame skillz they'll find more interesting money-making opportunities. I think in the long term there will be enough money in modeling to keep players attracted to this profession. Though the turnover is likely to be high, but I hope that a small percentage will enjoy the rolepaying and stick with the corp. Quote: When will the menu of "services" be made available? As soon as WiS becomes active. Quote: If your paying models by the hour, do they have to log timecards or something? I suppose the client can reconfirm whether services were satisfactory. Will be difficult to implement other methods keeping game mechanics in mind. We're working on this :) Quote: This is starting to have a depressing post-Communism Eastern Europe feel So much so that at times I want nothing to do with Eve being real. _________________________________ Sylvia von Harden Looking Glass Models

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