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Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:04:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:James 315 wrote:More mining ships, kinda meh on that idea to be honest. Time to get EVE out of the mining business. Would be very cool to get a new ship or ship class specialized for bumping miners though  Isn't this getting stale now?
That's his only claim to fame so he's milking it for everything it's got, I kinda feel sorry for the dude as it seems bumping barges is all he's got to look forward to in life. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
66
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:14:00 -
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Alea wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:James 315 wrote:More mining ships, kinda meh on that idea to be honest. Time to get EVE out of the mining business. Would be very cool to get a new ship or ship class specialized for bumping miners though Isn't this getting stale now? That's his only claim to fame so he's milking it for everything it's got, I kinda feel sorry for the dude as it seems bumping barges is all he's got to look forward to in life.
Careful or you will run afoul of the New Order (I think that's what it's called). I actually think James's dedication to Roleplaying and setting up his own virtual banana republic is pretty amusing and awesome. He's putting a lot work into it though the feigned disgust at mining is laying it on a little thick. We all know he loves the idea of a new mining barge to push around. And it's a new toy that he can charge a higher mining permit fee for.
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
86
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Again.....just hearing a bunch of complaining about having to actually try harder.
No sympathy coming from my direction. Do you realize how hard legitimate miners have to work to not get caught? For a DECADE almost ?
Get over yourselves.
I wasn't really complaining, I couldn't care less about ganking miners in high sec. All I care about is killing things in wormholes where you have to work for everything you do. And yes, I do puff gas here when there's nothing better to do. As for actual mining, it's not even worth it. We even let Arkonor rot in here because it's simply not worth the time or the effort to mine it, never mind hauling it out afterwards.
I have no sympathy for those so called high sec "PvP'rs" that just play station games or gank helpess targets then run at the first sign of actual combat. At the same time I also have zero sympathy for industrial players who refuse to pay attention to what goes around them. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
93
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:51:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:James 315 wrote:More mining ships, kinda meh on that idea to be honest. Time to get EVE out of the mining business. Would be very cool to get a new ship or ship class specialized for bumping miners though Isn't this getting stale now?
I know right? But I think that this dude still thinks that miners cause inflation. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
67
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:00:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Again.....just hearing a bunch of complaining about having to actually try harder.
No sympathy coming from my direction. Do you realize how hard legitimate miners have to work to not get caught? For a DECADE almost ?
Get over yourselves. I wasn't really complaining, I couldn't care less about ganking miners in high sec. All I care about is killing things in wormholes where you have to work for everything you do. And yes, I do puff gas here when there's nothing better to do. As for actual mining, it's not even worth it. We even let Arkonor rot in here because it's simply not worth the time or the effort to mine it, never mind hauling it out afterwards. I have no sympathy for those so called high sec "PvP'rs" that just play station games or gank helpess targets then run at the first sign of actual combat. At the same time I also have zero sympathy for industrial players who refuse to pay attention to what goes around them.
Unless you are at war or you have set a particular ganker so that they are highlighted you can't avoid ganks in hisec if mining. You can survive them, but avoidance is pretty much impossible. It's why it's such a moronic thing to boast about. It's easy kills to pad your KB with which is fine but people need to just accept ganking for what it is, punching the fat kid on the playground. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
555
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:06:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Edit: Baby drake has actual drone bay door/opening 
Yeah i saw that too... Perhaps now that missiles don't appear out of no where maybe we will get a new graphics where we see drones actually coming out of their bays...
This would be pretty cool for carriers too...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-įThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
86
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:06:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote:Unless you are at war or you have set a particular ganker so that they are highlighted you can't avoid ganks in hisec if mining. You can survive them, but avoidance is pretty much impossible. It's why it's such a moronic thing to boast about. It's easy kills to pad your KB with which is fine but people need to just accept ganking for what it is, punching the fat kid on the playground.
No it's not. You can opt to mine in mission pockets or grav sites which adds an additional requirement of having to probe down either you or the site you're in, which essentially means that you are left alone due to the high number of easier targets.
Other than that, I agree. There's nothing to boast about ganking helpless people in high sec. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
29
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:14:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote:[quote=James 315]
Not sure how people became so fixated on miners....
Some people use bots to mine
ergo all miners are bots.
seriously .. thats how they think. |
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
1047
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:21:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Weiland Taur wrote:[quote=James 315]
Not sure how people became so fixated on miners....
Some people use bots to mine ergo all miners are bots. seriously .. thats how they think.
Your logic works well there, but here's the problem. It's not:
* Some people use bots to mine
* Ergo: All miners are bots
The logical progression is:
* The most successful people use bots to mine
* Mining is a competitive and oversaturated industry
* To compete with the most successful people you must emulate them.
* Ergo: Successful miners must ACT LIKE or USE bots. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
791
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:03:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:Selinate wrote:not a fan of the "+2 warp strength" on the frig on that slide... dirty ganker
Sulking carebear.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies
I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
908
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:28:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Again.....just hearing a bunch of complaining about having to actually try harder.
No sympathy coming from my direction. Do you realize how hard legitimate miners have to work to not get caught? For a DECADE almost ?
Get over yourselves. I wasn't really complaining, I couldn't care less about ganking miners in high sec. All I care about is killing things in wormholes where you have to work for everything you do. And yes, I do puff gas here when there's nothing better to do. As for actual mining, it's not even worth it. We even let Arkonor rot in here because it's simply not worth the time or the effort to mine it, never mind hauling it out afterwards. I have no sympathy for those so called high sec "PvP'rs" that just play station games or gank helpess targets then run at the first sign of actual combat. At the same time I also have zero sympathy for industrial players who refuse to pay attention to what goes around them.
There are good and bad players on both sides. That's they way humanity works. Always has, always will.
Best to always just do your own thing.
on the side: CCP could seriously do a better job about the bots. There got to be so many I stopped reporting. A new one has popped up with 7 nearly identical names all created 3 weeks ago. Sigh. The only ones that disappear are the ones I have ganked and reported. They may just be changing areas. Who knows ? But it is a HUGE issue. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
908
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:33:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
You are whining because you will have to try harder from now on. Awww...too bad.
You mean like how hard you miners have to try to sit there and mine roids/gas clouds? It's not a glorious job, but it's no where near as dangerous as half you lot make it out to be.
Yes it is. The MOST dangerous high sec activity. Until last month, it was very complicated to be properly protected, involving a LOT of training of skills not having to do with Industry. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.09.16 20:15:00 -
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1.See thread about new mining frigate and new Caldari destroyer!
2.Click it....oh gosh this is going to be so awesome!
3.Several pages of people bitching about warp strength on a frigate that cant fight, has no tank.
4.Realize my brain is leaking from my nose, close window and go outside for fresh air.
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I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP.
Just please, don't blow up my Hulk*. <3
*Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2 |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.16 21:27:00 -
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There has been a need for a gas mining ship for a long time so i'm happy with this news.
... But with this gas mining ship, with only one gas miner, be better than using a normal ship with 5 t2 gas harvesters?
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
211
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:04:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:There has been a need for a gas mining ship for a long time so i'm happy with this news.
... But with this gas mining ship, with only one gas miner, be better than using a normal ship with 5 t2 gas harvesters?
It has three miners...
4 High slots, 3 turret hardpoints and an utility slot.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Romvex
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
6
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:56:00 -
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i'm holding my breath until the other race's dessies are revealed
G’+/
/Gūī
/n++ \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Quivering Palm
Chaos Manor
3
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:16:00 -
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Quivering Palm wrote:We have uploaded the full audio recording from CCP presentations from CCP Guard (on EVE Community) and CCP Tallest (on Game Design) Also uploaded 2 brand new Planet Risk show episodes that cover the Interviews with SummerFest organizers, CCP Devs and players that attended the Events :)
Enjoy!
qp |
Dino Boff
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
14
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:44:00 -
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People currently harvest with cruiser or BC. All have enough low slots and cpu (some cruiser require a cpu rig) for 5 harvesters and 1/2 stab. Currently, to gank a harvesting fleet, you use bombers fitted with 3/4 points since you expect the ships to have stabs.
A frigate will have less low slots and cpu. It might actually be very difficult to fit even one stab on it. Giving it better warp strength seems fine to me since it's designed to go in hostile territories like deep space transport.
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Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1827
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:28:00 -
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Will this frigate be better at gas harvesting than a buffer tanked Rokh?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
2736
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:57:00 -
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Alea wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:James 315 wrote:More mining ships, kinda meh on that idea to be honest. Time to get EVE out of the mining business. Would be very cool to get a new ship or ship class specialized for bumping miners though Isn't this getting stale now? That's his only claim to fame so he's milking it for everything it's got, I kinda feel sorry for the dude as it seems bumping barges is all he's got to look forward to in life.
Come now, it's not my only claim to fame, if you know your history...
Even so, you must certainly concede that even one claim to fame is better than none, yes? 
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.17 07:12:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Rek Seven wrote:There has been a need for a gas mining ship for a long time so i'm happy with this news.
... But with this gas mining ship, with only one gas miner, be better than using a normal ship with 5 t2 gas harvesters?
It has three miners... 4 High slots, 3 turret hardpoints and an utility slot.
Ah okay. Any info on what the mining bonus will be? I'm guessing 100% but 200% would make it a fantastic little ship IMO.
They see me trolling, they hating... |
William Walker
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
76
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Posted - 2012.09.17 07:31:00 -
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Are we talking Ladar site gas? Viridian cytoserocin gas and the likes? If so I can understand how it'd have problems tanking damage, those things deal a fair amount. Everything out of nullsec I believe shouldn't be so hostile though. A viable choice for newcomers and null/low mining fleets (do they exist in low?) who need some more manpower but said manpower can't be arsed to train exhumers and the like but still want to help.
Also coercer +1 midslot. YES... YESSSSSSSSSS |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
Unified Church of the Unobligated
35
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Posted - 2012.09.17 09:08:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Even so, you must certainly concede that even one claim to fame is better than none, yes?
6 pages of discussion, that would be a good quote to feed Godwins Law: there are cases where no fame would have been the better choice.  |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.09.17 09:56:00 -
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William Walker wrote:Also coercer +1 midslot. YES... YESSSSSSSSSS
Granted it won't be outclassed bu something else again since hull-specific role is going to go away in favour of this thing becoming something more generic.
Mara Rinn wrote:Will this frigate be better at gas harvesting than a buffer tanked Rokh?
Probably not, but it's not supposed to be THE gas sucker. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:12:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Probably not, but it's not supposed to be THE gas sucker.
Then what is the point in making the ship? Gas mining is not a beginners activity and there is currently no ship that has a gas mining bonus, so it does in fact, need to be "THE gas sucker".
Here is want i would like to see: If the ship gets a 100% bonus to gas harvester cycle time, then it will be the best gas mining ship by a small but pretty much, an intensification amount. So ORE should bring out a specialized mod for the ORE frigate.
This new module could have a remote effect that further reduces the cycle time by 10%, so for every 10 ORE frigs in the fleet, you effectively have an extra harvester. This would mean that we would see blobs of these ships roaming through wormhole space harvesting gas, for example.
I would create a group mining activity as well as creating pvp opportunities.
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Accki
Toxic State
Terra Axiom
0
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:25:00 -
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The point of maiking this ship was due to the rebalance of all frigates the current mining frigs will be no more, so they are making a suitable replacement for new people.
If it has other benifits then thats a bonus |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:56:00 -
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As far as i know it only has gas mining bonuses and not ore mining bonuses, so a new miner may as well fit mining lasers on a normal t1 ship while they train for a retriever.
This will be the only gas mining ship in game so it needs to be good at that job.
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:46:00 -
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I like the way my Flycatcher looks just fine, thanks... which means, of course, that it'll be changed.  |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group
Joint Venture Conglomerate
125
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:35:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:As far as i know it only has gas mining bonuses and not ore mining bonuses, so a new miner may as well fit mining lasers on a normal t1 ship while they train for a retriever.
This will be the only gas mining ship in game so it needs to be good at that job.
I loved the way you armchair dev, its just fantastically bad. Your faulty logic is the cornerstone of what is wrong with this forum, and maybe society as a whole. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
422
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:04:00 -
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Malice Redeemer wrote:Rek Seven wrote:As far as i know it only has gas mining bonuses and not ore mining bonuses, so a new miner may as well fit mining lasers on a normal t1 ship while they train for a retriever.
This will be the only gas mining ship in game so it needs to be good at that job. I loved the way you armchair dev, its just fantastically bad. Your faulty logic is the cornerstone of what is wrong with this forum, and maybe society as a whole.
Wow your so deep 
Na, people like you that post but don't have any particular point to make is what's crap about forums in general... At lease i put my self out there and say what i think, in an attempt to create a constructive discussion.
Ps. After listening to the recordings of the ORE frig details, it appears that i was wrong and the ORE frig does, in fact, have normal mining bonuses. I just hope that if this is going to be the only specialized gas mining ship in game, that it has some worthwhile bonuses (e.g. 150-200% bonus to gas harvest amount)
They see me trolling, they hating... |
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