One thing I've very surprised at is the fact that once of the pieces of concept art for the Caldari Destroyer has a drone coming out of a drone bay in it. Does this mean they're changing from missiles to drones? (or just adding them?)

More mining ships, kinda meh on that idea to be honest. Time to get EVE out of the mining business. Would be very cool to get a new ship or ship class specialized for bumping miners though

And why has the new ORE frig been given gas mining bonuses when it's intended as a stepping stone ship for newer players? Low SP characters won't be able to scan down ladar sites, so what's the point? Ugh. I thought CCP were getting rid of resource specialisation.

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A Punisher lacks a speed bonuses. A Punisher rightfully lacks that bonus. Because its lack is rightful, the bonus itself is OP and no ship should have it.

Fine. It's not OP. I want +2 warp strength on my zealot, plz.

Or how about my anathema? It could use that also, considering I really don't like the inconvenience of having to use cloak-mwd tricks to get past gate camps.

Or even on my retribution. Why not? +2 warp strength is obviously not OP...

lolz, you got pwned, and this is your reply? pathetic

If you call just pure flaming and a lack of any argument at all for why a mining frigate should have +2 warp strength getting "pwned"...

It's like arguing like 13 year old kids who can't make a coherent argument and just like to say "lolz, you got pwned, and this is your reply? pathetic"

Wait... I think I'm on to something...

It's funny, you sound like the whining miners that lolpvpers are normal making fun of when they say HTFU

LOL, you have no argument to argue, qq all day for me please!

I've made my argument many times now. All you're doing is flaming. I'm pretty sure this is all you're capable of at this point, you're just showing that you're not very bright...

Well that was incoherent.

+2 warp strength is unnecessary. It can have gas mining bonuses or cargo bonuses, that's fine, but if you want +2 warp strength on it, it should have to fit a stab.

And you still have yet to come up with a good reason for why this ship needs +2 warp strength. All of you do.

It'll make it so that you virtually can't catch this frig in low, null or WH's since it warps off quickly already.

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Yes. It was. He was making fun of your flawed argument. You got the joke. It's you. Well done.

5% damage is unnecessary, if you want a damage bonus fit a gyro

The reason is to make it so that you virtually can't catch this frig in low since it warps off quickly already.

My argument is not flawed. There is no purpose for +2 warp strength on a gas mining ship, just like putting it on an HAC, AF, or cov ops doesn't make any sense. If anything, putting it on the cov ops scanning ships at least makes more sense than putting it on a gas mining ship, since it's supposed to be much harder to catch.
You mean on a ship whose purpose is to fight? The bonus makes sense then. As does having a bonus to gas mining rate on a gas mining ship. However, if I put +2 warp strength on a HAC, AF, or a battleship, then it just wouldn't make much sense. In addition to this, having a +2 warp strength will make the ship virtually uncatchable if it handles like a normal frig in the hands of most pilots, thus dramatically reducing the risk to anyone flying this frigate. Putting a damage bonus on an HAC does not have the same effect, while it does make the HAC much tougher, it doesn't make it so that the HAC can warp off at any time when they feel like it.

The same will happen in null and WH's where you won't be able to lock down the frig without a small gang, and it's unnecessary to have to have at least 2 people with points in order to lock down a frig (also +2 warp strength is vague, if it means +2 to the 1 that I assume it already has, that could mean 3 people need to be there to lock it down).

You are very welcome. It's the least I could do for someone whining about a defenseless industrial ship that hasn't even come out yet and you're already crying on how you won't be able to kill it without having to change your fit, you poor thing.



Instead you're here in a thread about a mining frig that hasn't come out yet and you're already crying and whining upset on how inconvenient it will be for you to kill it

You know because, fitting a +2 scram is just isn't fair to you to have to do. Or God forbid, following the advice some of you give to miners of getting friends to help you tackle.

And the miners are the carebear? .

Requiring having 2 or 3 people with disruptors fit to tackle one frig should not be necessary. In addition to this, having to get in range with a scram is unnecessary also. This is just all so unnecessary.

im liking the new destroyer, it has one little problem though...

im having a hard time telling which end is the front :P

Just like with the mining barge and exhumer tank buffs, they now have a limited mean of defending themselves. Sure they still can't fend off any attacks on their own, but then again that's exactly how industrial boats should be. Looking at this fart sniffing frig you can say the same thing, a limited mean of defending themselves which is the gtfo ability. It still can't fend off the attack once caught, it still cannot survive being alphaed by a fast locking boat.

Then again, if you wish to catch one of them doing its thing, you're required to either probe the boat or the site it's on, which also gives it an additional form of defense in the advance warning of probes being on dscan. The ladar cloud itself also prevents stealthy approach as the huge size of it allows the puffer to be deep inside the cloud, thus not allowing anything to come near without it being decloaked by the cloud.

These things combined can make catching such boat incredibly hard, even with nice 3 point faction scrams on instalocking ships, so in a way I do see where Selinate's coming from with her complaint. On its own the 2 point warp strenght would be a complete non issue, but with the added defense of the natural enviroment of such boat.... It's maybe a bit too much.

Better or worse yield than the Veldnaught?