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Haulin Gneiss
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:14:00 -
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So what if the CSM goes to happy town, is told by CCP "look here is our direction and that's what we are doing...period" and there is only micro transaction without representation can we impeach them for some other doods? Can they just vacate their position?
It seems this is a lost cause and having played this game for two years I get frustrated when I read stuff like this
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html |
Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Haulin Gneiss
So what if the CSM goes to happy town, is told by CCP "look here is our direction and that's what we are doing...period" and there is only micro transaction without representation can we impeach them for some other doods?
Why would that be the CSM's fault?
What could other CSM delegates possibly do differently?
Bear in mind the CSM has absolutely no actual power. They exist to give you the illusion of representation. At absolute most they can provide some degree of guidance to CCP, but there's nothing obligating CCP to play ball.
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:20:00 -
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Hey man we're trying here. :(
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Mike639
Caldari
Free Masons United Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Llambda
Originally by: Haulin Gneiss
So what if the CSM goes to happy town, is told by CCP "look here is our direction and that's what we are doing...period" and there is only micro transaction without representation can we impeach them for some other doods?
Why would that be the CSM's fault?
What could other CSM delegates possibly do differently?
Bear in mind the CSM has absolutely no actual power. They exist to give you the illusion of representation. At absolute most they can provide some degree of guidance to CCP, but there's nothing obligating CCP to play ball.
The CSMs are the players reps they bring issues to the attention of the players and the Devs they havnet done that so far
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Haulin Gneiss
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:20:00 -
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Oh. I thought there was some sort of cohesion on the CSMs part that could impact the game. Thanks for the reply.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Haulin Gneiss
Oh. I thought there was some sort of cohesion on the CSMs part that could impact the game. Thanks for the reply.
If Hilmar couldn't explain to the investors how the game works then why would sacking CSM make a difference.
It's not CCPs fault.
It's not CSMs fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Haulin Gneiss
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree
Hey man we're trying here. :(
WT, from your experience what do you think the outcome will be. I mean Incarna and the CQ, for me, was a big let down given the build up...my Tengu still flys backwards for pete's sake.
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Bieber Fever
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:23:00 -
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Vive le revolucion!
Off with their, CCPs, heads!
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Tsukimaru
Amarr
104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:28:00 -
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CCP ignored CSM on this one, so don't blame CSM.
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Naloth
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:21:00 -
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CSM are advisers only. CCP can ignore them or even not tell them what's going on. As far as power, they really don't have any. They're there to take all the misspelled, grammar free posts from the forums and present them to CCP in a coherent, logical fashion.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
If Hilmar couldn't explain to the investors how the game works ...
He did. "EVE is like golf."
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree
Hey man we're trying here. :(
lol. Try all you want, CCP never cared what the CSM thought, and they won't suddenly start now... this seems to be their greediest hour, afterall.
So, like punching the wall of a concrete bunker, you keep right on punching White Tree. We'll see soon enough how many walls you break down.
To OP: In all fairness, CSM can't do much. Some will come back singing CCP's praises, some will be emorage, and CCP will make a small concession regardless of what's said (i.e. probably no immediate MT for any in game advantage) as their "apology".
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Akai Kagerou
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:28:00 -
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Instead of impeaching them why not change their role from representatives to protest organizers?
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Tu Ko
Legio Geminatus
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:29:00 -
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@ CSMs in general
The only way we know that we will get the attention to EvE Online is when CCP gets rid of WoD, Until then every dollar they generate is going straight to that project. Remind them that they can get those subscribtion numbers higher if they just iterate content they promised they would in the past.
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Teddy Hess
Caldari
United Space Marine Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:31:00 -
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Lets just face it - we are being placated and the CSM's are not in any position to dictate corporate policy to a corporation. Either we accept the changes or we stop playing. I personally find all of this repugnant.
Our CSM's are walking into an ambush and we cannot fault them for their endeavors. I promise you they are players like the rest of us and I expect to see some EMO Rage Quits from them after this is over. At least they will thank CCP for the hospitality and the Coach Ticket to Iceland.
I KNOW NOTHING . . . . NOTHING |
Haulin Gneiss
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:58:00 -
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Queue Europe's The Final Countdown.....
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree
Hey man we're trying here. :(
You guys gave the OK to even a temporary MT Scorpion from thin air. You didn't give a firm "no" to MTs. I know they likely would have ignored you, but I don't call that trying.
Give them an inch...
Originally by: McKinlay
When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Evil Stare
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Haulin Gneiss
So what if the CSM goes to happy town, is told by CCP "look here is our direction and that's what we are doing...period" and there is only micro transaction without representation can we impeach them for some other doods? Can they just vacate their position?
It seems this is a lost cause and having played this game for two years I get frustrated when I read stuff like this
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
I'd like you to re-read your topic again, and then tell everyone here how the csm got there. I'd explain it but then i'd have to follow it with a "u mad bro?" and I don't want to go there.
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Sri Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:26:00 -
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Well with a thread ongoing stating 70% is against micro transactions of any kind (can be found in the assembly hall section)
I dont think CCP can simply ignore the fact that M/T is just unpopular .
If they do ignore it then its not the CSM's fault. (less they do not bring that thread to ccp's attention very unlikely).
either way it will not be long before we have our answer . the system was invoked put use and we await the results .
music the paint
dance floor the canvas
your body the brush |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:28:00 -
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I'm not a fan of THIS CSM, but this is a silly idea and distraction.
Does THIS CSM suck? Of course.
But that's what they ran on.
They ran against Mynxee/Teadaze and now everything that Mynxee/Teadaze fought tooth-and-nail against is coming to pass.
If they say 'Oops, we were wrong. Mynxee/Teadaze were right all along,' they look stupid and weak.
So they make pandering non-statements like white tree or say nothing at all.
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sri Nova
Well with a thread ongoing stating 70% is against micro transactions of any kind (can be found in the assembly hall section)
I dont think CCP can simply ignore the fact that M/T is just unpopular .
If they do ignore it then its not the CSM's fault. (less they do not bring that thread to ccp's attention very unlikely).
either way it will not be long before we have our answer . the system was invoked put use and we await the results .
70% of the people who post on the forums which makes up 3% of the entire player base.
Your point?
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Torin
Minmatar
Red Bone Corsairs
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:33:00 -
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CSM impeachment?! Man, this is good stuff.
I hope you people give this much passion to other equally compelling topics, like world hunger.
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Sri Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul
Originally by: Sri Nova
Well with a thread ongoing stating 70% is against micro transactions of any kind (can be found in the assembly hall section)
I dont think CCP can simply ignore the fact that M/T is just unpopular .
If they do ignore it then its not the CSM's fault. (less they do not bring that thread to ccp's attention very unlikely).
either way it will not be long before we have our answer . the system was invoked put use and we await the results .
70% of the people who post on the forums which makes up 3% of the entire player base.
Your point?
your point ?
you can not extroplate data from a non existant source . you want more data go get the people involved .
right now 70% of people who give a f^%k enough about this game to actually read the damn forums and keep up with whats new . Are saying NO!!
so who are you to marginalize their view ?
music the paint
dance floor the canvas
your body the brush |
Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:43:00 -
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This is a terrible thread. |
Evil Stare
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sri Nova
Originally by: Zagdul
Originally by: Sri Nova
Well with a thread ongoing stating 70% is against micro transactions of any kind (can be found in the assembly hall section)
I dont think CCP can simply ignore the fact that M/T is just unpopular .
If they do ignore it then its not the CSM's fault. (less they do not bring that thread to ccp's attention very unlikely).
either way it will not be long before we have our answer . the system was invoked put use and we await the results .
70% of the people who post on the forums which makes up 3% of the entire player base.
Your point?
your point ?
you can not extroplate data from a non existant source . you want more data go get the people involved .
right now 70% of people who give a f^%k enough about this game to actually read the damn forums and keep up with whats new . Are saying NO!!
so who are you to marginalize their view ?
There are a huge base of players who do not even know these forums exist. Statistically speaking, what he says is true.
Translucent basement dwellers who cry like babies is what fuels me. Bring it you fat faced babies. Want a Wahburger with your Cries?
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Torin
Minmatar
Red Bone Corsairs
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:47:00 -
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Shut thy non-monocled mouthhole, miscreant! This thread holds valliant purpose! We are talking about CSM impeachment here! The fate of world governments lay in the balance!
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sri Nova
Originally by: Zagdul
Originally by: Sri Nova
Well with a thread ongoing stating 70% is against micro transactions of any kind (can be found in the assembly hall section)
I dont think CCP can simply ignore the fact that M/T is just unpopular .
If they do ignore it then its not the CSM's fault. (less they do not bring that thread to ccp's attention very unlikely).
either way it will not be long before we have our answer . the system was invoked put use and we await the results .
70% of the people who post on the forums which makes up 3% of the entire player base.
Your point?
your point ?
you can not extroplate data from a non existant source . you want more data go get the people involved .
right now 70% of people who give a f^%k enough about this game to actually read the damn forums and keep up with whats new . Are saying NO!!
so who are you to marginalize their view ?
Err, plenty of people that give a crap about the game don't really care about this issue. Silent majority. 5000 unsubs in that other thread about people *****ing enough to quit... 250000 subscribers(conservatively, they were over 300k 2 years ago).. 2% of the userbase(again, conservatively). That's not a big number
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 20:01:00 -
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Why would I want to impeach some advisory player council of a game I'm no longer playing if the CSM gets send home being irrelevant and CCP screwing everybody over?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.29 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Stare
There are a huge base of players who do not even know these forums exist. Statistically speaking, what he says is true.
Translucent basement dwellers who cry like babies is what fuels me. Bring it you fat faced babies. Want a Wahburger with your Cries?
Actually translucent people would be pretty gross.
Also, impeaching the CSM is like impeaching the PTA because your local school board implements a new policy. They exist to advise, and that's all. Failing to take their advice is CCP's job.
--Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Bizzi Zeitschrift
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Posted - 2011.06.29 20:04:00 -
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Dear OP,
WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP MAKING UP STUFF TO GET MAD AT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED??!!
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