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Orpheus Ovid	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:40:00 - [1] I have heard this rumor that they will be selling skill points on NEX. So, I was at first horrified about this idea...but now I am not so sure. Anyways, some pros and cons I have been thinking about. pro-I could hop careers easier. I trained up to be to an awesome miner, but now I am interested in exploration. So, I get some Skill points off the NEX and give it a shot. con-I am a noob and I want to fly a battleship. con-We are in an instant gratification society, and EVE rewards time and patience. Feel free to add more...pros and cons Next, I am thinking about restrictions and ideas Can't buy skill points till you have reached 10 million skill points or whatever amount. The point is restrict newbie players from getting crazy loads of skill points. Perhaps don't sell skill points, but be able to move them around. For instance, I am a really awesome miner, now I want to explore...so i go to nex and rearrange my skills so i can be an awesome miner, however, i am no longer and awesome miner, i am an awesome explorer. Anyways, I can see both sides. Feel free to add your thoughts.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:41:00 - [2] con-the self-entitlked bittervets would all ragequit since they'd lose their everlasting advantage (that no other game offers, probably one of the main reasons they still play/play sub).
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Jennifer Starling con-the self-entitlked bittervets would all ragequit since they'd lose their everlasting advantage (that no other game offers, probably one of the main reasons they still play/play sub). àand as usual, you got that backwards. The only thing that is "everlasting" is the total SP, which provides no advantage (and which, strictly speaking, isn't ever-lasting either). No other game offers this non-advantage. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
PyroX90	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:50:00 - [4] I would not mind CCP selling skill tree resets. I for one would find them useful as to dump all these useless mining skills into something even remotely more beneficial to killing people. I would however, not like CCP selling SP. That is as dumb an idea as buying gold ammo with AUR. I simply don't see the point in it. It's not as if I am worried about people buying them with real money, I am just worried that they will be the only items that players are unable to produce, and therefore seed into the market. I feel that these sorts of things do not bode very well for the EVE economy. However, if people want to buy PLEX with cashy monies, and spend it all on faction ammo, I do not care; I just ask that CCP keep the industry and trading part of EVE within control of the players, and not try and monetize it. Hurp Derp
Viibl Triibl	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:56:00 - [5] I'd buy skill points. Older players still have the advantages of more wealth (usually) and more experiencing playing (usually), which matter more than skill points anyway.
Hekira Soikutsu	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:57:00 - [6] I don't agree it would help the new player experience. Would you like to see new players come off with a negative impression of the game simply because the fastest way to earn skills is via skill purchases that cost money and that the current existing system is nothing but a motivating factor for them to make those purchases? IMO give new players a 3-5 million SP skill pack and not sell SP at all.
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Sylthi on 29/06/2011 15:01:21 As has been suggested in several other threads, if they do go to SP "sales", its not going to be exactly like what your envisioning I (and several others) think that the main point of the game effecting content (at least in the short run) is going to come out in the form of new Boosters bought only through the NeX. After all, this is the EA model that CCP seems to be following fairly closely, and that is basically what EA did. So, you won't buy SP directly per se. What will happen (most likely) is that you will buy a booster or "pill" that your character will take, and they will earn SP FASTER, for a fixed period of time, like new characters do. One of the main reasons that this is suspected to be the center piece of the all but "done deal" incoming game altering P2W content is because of what CCP gave us as a gift for this expansion. If you'll remember back several expansions they have started making a habit of giving us "gifts" to push their new expansions and get people involved in them. So, what did they give us this time? Yep. Quafe Ultra. Que the incoming game altering NeX items in the form of Boosters. Or, at least that is what some of us "bittervets" are making informed guesses at. And, for the record, if they are going to FORCE MT down our throats whether we want it or not, I say "Go all the way." Sell us something USEFUL instead of all the bling crap. I for one support the sped up SP in the version that I just listed. All it really amounts to is you having complete control over building a character more rapidly instead of taking the option of selling PLEX until you have enough to buy a character you DIDN'T completely build the way you wanted from the character bizzare. So, sped up SP is not really that different from using PLEX to fund character purchases now, imho. EXCEPT, you have more control to customize the character build the way you want. Now, the poster referencing the "bittervets" is right. Most of them are going to have kittens at the prospect of sped up SP, for EXACTLY the reason that poster listed; afraid of loosing their forever edge of greater SP. But, as for me, this "bittervet" supports the idea because, after all: nothing is stopping the bittervets from boosting their SP gain too. All of this of course, plays right into CCPs hands of people thinking they HAVE to spend more money to compete, ofc. But, we're still here paying the bastards; at least for now. So, what are you gonna do? Hope this helped with your curiosity some. Cheers mate. * *
Razor Blue Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:01:00 - [8] Directly purchasing and injecting new skillpoints would be bad. Remapping small portions of the existing skillpoints would be ok idea, i think.
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Orpheus Ovid con-We are in an instant gratification society, and EVE rewards time and patience. This is pretty much it. The people who think buying skill points on nex are just greedy and/or impatient. They'll say you can already buy skill points for cash buy buying characters, but someone had to train that char 1st. Skill points from NeX short circuits the very thing is is about, time and patience and a aplayer driven experiance. I love the fact that EVE is "slow" in a world of instant gratification,I take pride in the things I've built in this virtual world and I'm not jealous of the fact that some people started playing 3 or 4 years earlier than I did and have more skill points or whatever. I hope to whatever God is listening that EVE doesn't get taken off in some stupid direction because the company that made it decided to over-extend itself (and it's cash) with a crappy vampire game......
Orpheus Ovid	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:03:00 - [10] Edited by: Orpheus Ovid on 29/06/2011 15:06:05 I do like the idea of a 3-5 million sp skill pack. However, I am not sure giving 3-5 million sp to a brand new player a very good idea. As a new player you should be trying to experience all the awesome aspects of the sandbox. As a noob, I might just decide to put that 5 million in guns and ships, but as a noob I will have no clue about all the core skills that are necessary to support that awesome Battleship I just trained up for.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 29/06/2011 15:04:58 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jennifer Starling con-the self-entitlked bittervets would all ragequit since they'd lose their everlasting advantage (that no other game offers, probably one of the main reasons they still play/play sub). àand as usual, you got that backwards. The only thing that is "everlasting" is the total SP, which provides no advantage (and which, strictly speaking, isn't ever-lasting either). No other game offers this non-advantage. If it provides no advantage, why not give it out freely and royally? If it provides no advantage, why not bisomass your character every month and start anew?
Vain Eldritch Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Sylthi So, you won't buy SP directly per se. What will happen (most likely) is that you will buy a booster or "pill" that your character will take, and they will earn SP FASTER, for a fixed period of time, like new characters do. [/quote Indeed - and this would be a very good fiscal reason for them to remove the learning skills. Which they did. I subscribe to your line of thought. ______________________________ Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
Hekira Soikutsu	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Orpheus Ovid I do like the idea of a 3-5 million sp skill pack. However, I am not sure giving 3-5 million sp to a brand new player a very good idea. As a new player you should be trying to experience old the awesome aspects of the sandbox. As a noob, I might just decide to put that 5 million in guns and ships, but as a noob I will have no clue about all the core skills that are necessary to support that awesome Battleship I just trained up for. True. I'd think a 100-200% skill training bonus would work better in the light of this.
Orpheus Ovid	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:09:00 - [14] I like the booster idea. However, I think that a 10 million sp level should be reached first. Similar to a drinking and driving age.
Siestre Vitale	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:09:00 - [15] wonder what effect it would have on the character auctions
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Jennifer Starling If it provides no advantage, why not give it out freely and royally? Because it ruins customer retention. Quote: If it provides no advantage, why not bisomass your character every month and start anew? Because it ruins customer retention. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 29/06/2011 15:16:50 Originally by: Siestre Vitale wonder what effect it would have on the character auctions Just raw SP for plex may a bit dramatic. I liked the idea of being able to drain characters for SP or the skills they have. That way the SP in game stays the same and prices for characters on the bazaar would probably skyrocket. Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jennifer Starling If it provides no advantage, why not give it out freely and royally? Because it ruins customer retention. Quote: If it provides no advantage, why not bisomass your character every month and start anew? Because it ruins customer retention. So basically people just play on for the SP because EVE's boring for the rest and the content alone just wouldn't make them stay?
Noemie Caldari Pinky's Cream Pie Boutique	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:12:00 - [18] As a "bitter vet" 107mil SP character I have no issues about people buying SP for the simple reason that an amount of SP doesn't make you good at your profession. As explanation, a pirate is not rubbish just because he only has 12mil SP or because all he can fly is a rifter. If you feel threatened by my 107mil, that will only give me a momentary psychological advantage - then after checking on the available boards you find they are all in industry! I also don't mind if you're rich. Play the game as you see fit -------
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Noemie As a "bitter vet" 107mil SP character I have no issues about people buying SP for the simple reason that an amount of SP doesn't make you good at your profession. As explanation, a pirate is not rubbish just because he only has 12mil SP or because all he can fly is a rifter. If you feel threatened by my 107mil, that will only give me a momentary psychological advantage - then after checking on the available boards you find they are all in industry! I also don't mind if you're rich. Play the game as you see fit I wish more people would think like you ..
Kira Phyrexia	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:20:00 - [20] I pay for a skills remap, but i'd hate it if there was a +extra SP button
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:23:00 - [21] There is another way to sell SP. Right now one month of a subscription costs one PLEX or equivalent, or the equivalent of 3500 AUR. First lower that to 1000 AUR. Then create a SP "pool". Your character acquires SP from this pool at the same exact rate they do now. You put SP into the pool by buying them for AUR. In addition, make it so any number of your alts can draw from the pool all at the same time. The SP cost would be set to if you trained one character, your monthly cost would be about the same as now. If you are low on funds to use for AUR, you could train no one and pay about 29% per month than now. Or you could train all 3 and pay about 2.5 times what you pay now.
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:26:00 - [22] Edited by: Xercodo on 29/06/2011 15:27:45 Buy SP: Restriction: The SP can only be bought at an amount equivalent one month's time or up to whenever your account expires, whichever is shorter. This is calculated using current attributes and averaging them out. Once you buy this SP you can no longer train any skills until you've reached that point. Pro: No one has a SP advantage over time Con: Ruins the patience aspect of the game, at least partially Pro: Likely increased player retention from newbs. Ya, more targets for us lol Con: Guys can insta-train something like a T2 cruiser over night, thus ***ing with the intel that someone might have in a war. Con: You can buy this SP for the month but if you buy better implants half way through that month they won't apply since you already used the SP. (Little more incentive to not use it) Con: Remaps won't help when you use this method since it determines how much SP you get from an averaging out of the attributes since it doesn't know which skill you want to train. We don't want you remapping to max out one area and then having this buy SP thing to use the higher attributes only so you can apply that SP to something you aren't remapped for. This averaging means whatever you remapped for will get less SP/hour theoretically, but something you aren't remapped for will give slightly higher SP/hour. (Again, incentive to not use it) -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie*
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Jennifer Starling So basically people just play on for the SP because EVE's boring for the rest and the content alone just wouldn't make them stay? No. People play on for a number of reasons, one of the more notable of which is goal-setting, development, and achievement. SP is one of the primary mechanics for that, and unlike pretty much every other game, it manages to serve this purpose without creating vast chasms between the haves and have-nots. People don't just play for the SP, but you can bet that many play for the next thing around the corner, and they would get far less out of the game if there were no corners to walk around (or choose between). Just look at you: you're just itching to get the next thing on your list! Choice, planning and trade-offs are core features of the game. SP is simply how those features are applied to the character building process. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Scorpii Zenith Minmatar Ancient Heat	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:30:00 - [24] We should be able to sell our OWN SP to other characters for ISK. It's not good to have PVP pilot that can fly everything since clone gets too pricey to lose often, so you could sell your extra SP away and generate some passive income.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:31:00 - [25] Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 29/06/2011 15:31:33 Originally by: Jennifer Starling con-the self-entitlked bittervets would all ragequit since they'd lose their everlasting advantage (that no other game offers, probably one of the main reasons they still play/play sub). This is so false. Bitter vets can earn ISK so much faster than younger players, the bitter vets would get even further ahead. Think about it. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 29/06/2011 15:31:33 Originally by: Jennifer Starling con-the self-entitlked bittervets would all ragequit since they'd lose their everlasting advantage (that no other game offers, probably one of the main reasons they still play/play sub). This is so false. Bitter vets can earn ISK so much faster than younger players, the bitter vets would get even further ahead. Think about it. Actually, this is an excellent point to defuse the ones that get upset that way. Hadn't really thought of it the way you put it. But, then again, haven't been in isk massing mode for about a year so.... ;) Good on you for the observation. Cheers! * *
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:35:00 - [27] Any item that boosts skill gains would become mandatory...just like learning skills were.
Narisa Bithon Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:37:00 - [28] i'd be ok with buying sp for mt/plex BUT limited to each character as a ONE TIME offer. MAX 5mil sp boost.
Saint Lazarus Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Saint Lazarus on 29/06/2011 15:39:04 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=734105 Buy all the SP you want. ----------------- My EvE Comic
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.06.29 15:39:00 - [30] anyone got feedback on my variation? :3 -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie

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