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Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:33:00 - [1] I was just pondering some stuff while reading this excellent article and comments: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/28/eve-onlines-struggle-ccps-redemption/#more-63850 Something has been nagging at the back of my mind over the last week, and that article caused some of the old cogs to turn in the grey matter and finally show me what that nagging feeling actually was. What servers will WoD eventually run on? What follows below is speculation, may be very wild of the mark too. In CCP's position, with an ageing and increasingly cranky MMO, and with a new limited-life-expectancy title to be released onto the PS3, I know that I would be planning to launch WoD at some point towards the end of Dust 514's useful commercial life. Now, that means probably a life of a year or so in the console FPS market (if they're fairly lucky). We already know that Dust will be running on the tranquility server alongside Eve. To me, given this is the business plan already in motion, it would make real commercial sense to plan on running WoD on part or all of the same server cluster as Eve, or even perhaps replacing Eve entirely with WoD on their shiny new expanded datacentre and all the investment recently made on it. I don't see CCP as being in a position now or by launch-date of WoD to commission a brand new datacentre especially for it. Following that logic, WoD might co-exist on the Eve server cluster with Eve. This makes sense. I think. Now, given all the secrecy and shenanigans going on over the recent MT NeX store in Eve, and the supposed MT-store focus of WoD so that CCP can run with the rest of the gaming company pack, I'd really love to be a fly on the wall in the Chinese office right about now as I'm sure the Eastern countries would lap up an MMO-linked PS3 game. I'm actually worried about just how much of this WoD technology beta testing via the Eve<->Dust link will be used to replace Eve and Dust with WoD and PS3oD in just a very few years, and this is why: could the cluster as-is (or with minimal upgrades) really support all of Eve and Dust and WoD and PS3oD ? I am perhaps over-analysing the situation, and most probably going off the deep end of speculative territory: but the recent actions from CCP seem to make more sense in this light. Has the end of Eve actually been planned, and we are just now noticing those plans take effect around us? IS this why the devs and presenters at Fanfest looked so "shifty"/worried/uncomfortable when reciting and encouraging the mantra "eve forever" ? Watch them again. I think the CSM should bear this random possibility in mind when they consider any words that CCP and representatives throw at them. WTY?
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:47:00 - [2] You describe Dust as life limited, but i have to disagree. If your mean limited by the lifespan of the console, there is no reason why it couldn't be ported to the PS4 when it arrives. If your referring to the usual state of console FPS titles, those tittles are also released on PC and fade out of memory just as quickly. There short life span has nothing to do with the platform or the gamers and everything to do with the fact that these titles are designed have short life cycles so that gamers will buy the new one in six months time. There is little reason to think that this will be the case with dust as it will be explicitly designed to keep you coming back for more. There is much speculation that console players are children who do not have the attention span to handle something like dust as it is intended. The average age of console gamers is 35. Eve and dust will share server resources because it is beneficial to do so being that the games are linked. I see no advantage at all to having WoD on the same servers. It would create far more problems than it would solve.
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Khamelean The average age of console gamers is 35. [citation needed] ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Khamelean You describe Dust as life limited, but i have to disagree. If your mean limited by the lifespan of the console, there is no reason why it couldn't be ported to the PS4 when it arrives. If your referring to the usual state of console FPS titles, those tittles are also released on PC and fade out of memory just as quickly. There short life span has nothing to do with the platform or the gamers and everything to do with the fact that these titles are designed have short life cycles so that gamers will buy the new one in six months time. There is little reason to think that this will be the case with dust as it will be explicitly designed to keep you coming back for more. There is much speculation that console players are children who do not have the attention span to handle something like dust as it is intended. The average age of console gamers is 35. Eve and dust will share server resources because it is beneficial to do so being that the games are linked. I see no advantage at all to having WoD on the same servers. It would create far more problems than it would solve. Dust can be disconnected from Eve and NPC AI can replace the Eve side player's role.
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:50:00 - [5] "Eve and dust will share server resources because it is beneficial to do so being that the games are linked. I see no advantage at all to having WoD on the same servers. It would create far more problems than it would solve." So, you think WoD will get a new datacentre all to itself? Somehow, I don't think so.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:51:00 - [6] One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Wrangler Community Team Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid.

Avon Caldari Versatech Co. Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:52:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. It isn't better though - it just has a wider variety of unfinished features and un-squished bugs. Retro sig
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Avon Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. It isn't better though - it just has a wider variety of unfinished features and un-squished bugs. Yeah, Shopping Mall MMO's are so 2012. End of the world.
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:55:00 - [9] Edited by: Eclorc on 30/06/2011 16:55:27 Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. True enough, and Eve has certainly improved in many areas, I don't think anyone would dispute this, well apart from certain unfinished bits... Can you comment on whether the plan is to share datacentre resources between Eve and WoD, or is it planned to make a new facility to service WoD ?
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:55:00 - [10] The original post in this thread is an all around lame and weak effort. Im not a fan of Dust and am essentially an anti for "Vampire Fashion Parade Online." But the OPs entire post is founded on a chain of faulty assumptions. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Talal Galbraith	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Avon It isn't better though In your opinion.
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Avon It isn't better though - it just has a wider variety of unfinished features and un-squished bugs. my GOD... i had been looking for 1 sentence to sum up eve, and u did it for me.
uyoi	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:56:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. But you'd rather people pay a bit more for you to do it....
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Ghoest The original post in this thread is an all around lame and weak effort. Im not a fan of Dust and am essentially an anti for "Vampire Fashion Parade Online." But the OPs entire post is founded on a chain of faulty assumptions. Well, I did say that it is probably wild speculation already, so... at least you understood that bit. o wai..
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Eclorc Edited by: Eclorc on 30/06/2011 16:55:27 Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. True enough, and Eve has certainly improved in many areas, I don't think anyone would dispute this, well apart from certain unfinished bits... Can you comment on whether the plan is to share datacentre resources between Eve and WoD, or is it planned to make a new facility to service WoD ? And on that question, CCP runs into the World Of Darkness to hide.
Kitsune Sakai	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:58:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Aye! There's the rub. You haven't been very good at motivating us for doing that lately. In fact, in my view the whole thing has been so clusterfecked that I'll most likely not resubscribe no matter what happens tomorrow. Stuff's not given away yet (and I know who's getting it should they stay) - but will very likely be given out during the weekend unless Hilmar kisses some serous fox-behind tomorrow. And of course there's those three magick little words: "We will never..." A shame really. I really like the WoD IP, and was looking forward to the mmo. Now, not so much.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. The problem today is that some of the playerbase is awakening to the idea that you've not been doing an A effort on EVE for around 2 years. That troubles them when you want more money from them but they aren't seeing any benefit of that money. CCP over the years has released many half finished items that remain half finished, never returned to. There has been no major ship expansion in 2 years, in a spaceship game....
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 - [18] I think you will find that the only game that will be co-hosted with TQ will be Dust as there is a necessary link there (they will be attacking YOUR PI installations) so I think that WoD won't be on/near or referencing TQ as the data will be contained in different databases and will most probably (or hopefully) on it's own hardware
Karl Planck Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Kitsune Sakai Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Aye! There's the rub. You haven't been very good at motivating us for doing that lately. In fact, in my view the whole thing has been so clusterfecked that I'll most likely not resubscribe no matter what happens tomorrow. Stuff's not given away yet (and I know who's getting it should they stay) - but will very likely be given out during the weekend unless Hilmar kisses some serous fox-behind tomorrow. And of course there's those three magick little words: "We will never..." A shame really. I really like the WoD IP, and was looking forward to the mmo. Now, not so much. we need more monocle in this thread to beat down these uprising peasants ------------------------------------------------- Don't debate with morons. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 17:04:26 Originally by: Klandi I think you will find that the only game that will be co-hosted with TQ will be Dust as there is a necessary link there (they will be attacking YOUR PI installations) so I think that WoD won't be on/near or referencing TQ as the data will be contained in different databases and will most probably (or hopefully) on it's own hardware Yeah they're going to spend how many millions of dollars on a new hardware room? LOL I hear CCP are loaded with spare cash atm. Dust can be disconnected from EVE, I would be VERY supprised if that was not designed in, ofcourse it can, the connector can be mocked with NPC AI. I wouldnt even be supprised if CCP even ran BITCOIN on those nodes during downtimes, or even concurrently lol (Payroll :))
Kitsune Sakai	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Karl Planck Originally by: Kitsune Sakai Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Aye! There's the rub. You haven't been very good at motivating us for doing that lately. In fact, in my view the whole thing has been so clusterfecked that I'll most likely not resubscribe no matter what happens tomorrow. Stuff's not given away yet (and I know who's getting it should they stay) - but will very likely be given out during the weekend unless Hilmar kisses some serous fox-behind tomorrow. And of course there's those three magick little words: "We will never..." A shame really. I really like the WoD IP, and was looking forward to the mmo. Now, not so much. we need more monocle in this thread to beat down these uprising peasants Monocles are boring, guillotines are fun.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Aineko Macx Originally by: Khamelean The average age of console gamers is 35. [citation needed] Linkage Couldn't find the original source for that, but here is a similar one although not console specific. This puts the average gamer at 37. I doubt there are enough PC gamers in the 40-50 range by themselves to balance out the alleged millions of console kiddies.
Realdoll1	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:08:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Thats a lie and ur a hypocrite. We've been paying you for years to develop EVE but your company has spent every penny(and then some to the brink of bankruptcy) developing OTHER games. Where do you find it in yourself to continue lying to your customers. SJ
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Miilla Yeah they're going to spend how many millions of dollars on a new hardware room? LOL I hear CCP are loaded with spare cash atm. If your so convinced that all CCP's development efforts are directed at WoD, why would they cripple it's release by forcing it to share already overloaded servers? Your conspiracy theories make no sense. At least be consistent with your distrust and speculation.
Ivoto Gallente Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Ivoto on 30/06/2011 17:13:36 Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. And we continue to pay you to give us feature-rich content as well as keeping the hampsters alive. Not for some half assed glitchy CQ shyt we have now. How anyone at CCP could consider Incarna an expansion is beyond me.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 17:15:42 I dono about anybody else, but I'm actually thinkging moving changing MMO genres during since all this happened. If done right, fantasy is awesome, goth/vampires/wolves or mages/dwarfs etc. I loved playing the old Amiga "Eye of the Beholder" games. Just WoW isn't right. lol One can only play space games for so long, there is even rumours of Tron 2.0 MMO in progress. Now that would be fun (if done right). Looking at a SPACE game ALL BLACK all 24bit colours of BLACK gets too depressing, needs more colour really, Incarna promised that, dead on arrival, went MALL MMO instead. Eve started to become a grind, no variation, no dynamicism. Appeal starts to wear off, especially if one pays for it, and is now expected to pay more. As H.G. Wells said in his book "first men on the moon" - A change of job is a good vacation. perhaps a change of MMO genre is a good change too.
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Realdoll1 Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Thats a lie and ur a hypocrite. We've been paying you for years to develop EVE but your company has spent every penny(and then some to the brink of bankruptcy) developing OTHER games. Where do you find it in yourself to continue lying to your customers. SJ I don't know about you, but I pay a monthly sub to play the game. I didn't see any little popup box when I registered saying I now had creative control over EvE and could influence development allocations.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Eclorc What follows below is speculation.... Stop reading there unless you like funny stories. Mr Epeen
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Realdoll1 Originally by: CCP Wrangler One of the big benefits of MMO's is that we can keep updating it as long as people pay us to do it. EVE today is much bigger, end even better looking, than EVE was in 2003. Thats a lie and ur a hypocrite. We've been paying you for years to develop EVE but your company has spent every penny(and then some to the brink of bankruptcy) developing OTHER games. Where do you find it in yourself to continue lying to your customers. SJ Where do YOU find it in yourself to lie on the forums?
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.30 17:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Miilla I dono about anybody else, but I'm actually thinkging moving changing MMO genres during since all this happened. If done right, fantasy is awesome, goth/vampires/wolves or mages/dwarfs etc. I loved playing the old Amiga "Eye of the Beholder" games. Just WoW isn't right. lol One can only play space games for so long, there is even rumours of Tron 2.0 MMO in progress. Now that would be fun (if done right). Looking at a SPACE game ALL BLACK all 24bit colours of BLACK gets too depressing, needs more colour really, Incarna promised that, dead on arrival, went MALL MMO instead. As H.G. Wells said in his book "first men on the moon" - A change of job is a good vacation. perhaps a change of MMO genre is a good change too. But you're still going to be trolling here in bright yellow text until your sub runs out right? 102 days or so?

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