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jonus Rath
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Posted - 2005.02.22 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: jonus Rath on 22/02/2005 06:43:54
When i was playing today something came to me, I found that the megathron is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. PVP is dominated by the raven. Tanking will go to the Apoc. and i still dont know what the min ship is good at, but ill bet its better at it then the mega. So i was just wondering what you all think should be done to make this ship better. What should be done to make it worth flying.
I think it would be alot better if it had just a bit mor PG, that way at least i wouldnt have to use up all my low slots just to have guns. that, and i think the bonus should be better, the BS skill one. make it like a 10% bonus. but thats just what i think.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.02.22 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: Hyey on 22/02/2005 06:46:47
 Originally by: jonus Rath
Edited by: jonus Rath on 22/02/2005 06:43:54
When i was playing today something came to me, I found that the megathron is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. PVP is dominated by the raven. Tanking will go to the Apoc. and i still dont know what the min ship is good at, but ill bet its better at it then the mega. So i was just wondering what you all think should be done to make this ship better. What should be done to make it worth flying.
I think it would be alot better if it had just a bit mor PG, that way at least i wouldnt have to use up all my low slots just to have guns. that, and i think the bonus should be better, the BS skill one. make it like a 10% bonus. but thats just what i think.
Sorry but the tempest is the jack of all trades.
MegaT is jack of pretty much nothing for following reasons.
Crap Cap
Crap Gun fitting Requirements
Ridiculous Cap usage from guns(More than lasers... k wrong...)
Crap Tracking
Crap Gun Fitting Requirements AGAIN
... Did I mention fitting requirement? 
Needless to say, its either a suicidal blaster ship(using electrons no doubt...) or a sniper boat. Sounds like a blast
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.02.22 06:46:00 -
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buhu
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.02.22 06:53:00 -
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I think the main problem is power/cpu (either to little on ship or the weapons use too much, I#d personally say the weapons caldari ships are supposed to fir these too (supposdly can't see why they would).
cap usage, even if you don't fit a mwd yoru capstill drains very fast I think perhaps the weapons here use way too much cap, especially if you fit mwd your cap drains way too fast.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.02.22 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 22/02/2005 07:03:01
How about increasing ur skill and experience with the ship before giving up and whining on the forums.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.02.22 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hyey on 22/02/2005 07:10:17
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Edited by: Neon Genesis on 22/02/2005 07:03:01
How about increasing ur skill and experience with the ship before giving up and whining on the forums.
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I believe this was said before... ermm, A couple months ago.. AH YEA THE TEMPEST ORDEAL.
The Problem isnt really the ship its the guns, and no amount of skill or experience will change that fact. Ill fly my megathron more often when I can fit more than electron blaster rack on it(Which I might add have to be NAMED...) and no longer get pwned by a stock raven with 6 siege launchers and a 1kin/1therm shield tank being flown by a person with an eighth of the SP I have. But what do I know there is only a 38 page thread about it.
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.02.22 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 22/02/2005 07:14:37
38 page thread. 10 billion flys eat **** so it must taste good rite?
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.02.22 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Hyey on 22/02/2005 07:24:14
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Edited by: Neon Genesis on 22/02/2005 07:14:37
38 page thread. 10 billion flys eat **** so it must taste good rite?
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hmm well ok... but when you see that amount of people statin a problem with the guns as a whole(I dare not say majority, but a fair number of those that have expressed concerns are quiet experienced with the megathron.) normally there is something wrong. In the end it doesnt matter, the devs wont respond until they have a plan. Same thing happened with the tempest and projectiles, dont see why this situation will be any different.
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.02.22 08:44:00 -
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mega is good at:
1-on-1's
mega is bad at:
everything else
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.02.22 08:54:00 -
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Megathron is fantastic for 1 on 1 combat or as a heavy hitter in a gank/assination squad.
Apoc and Geddon are current masters of fleet PVP but role is mid range heavy hitters.
Tempest is mostly used as a sniper.
Raven is close support but mostly usless for pvp atm because of time to target delay.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.02.22 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
Raven is close support but mostly usless for pvp atm because of time to target delay.
mmm, doesn't really hold up when you consider that 40%+ of battleships used in PvP are ravens. They are very useful because they are the only BS which is effective against targets of any size.
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2005.02.22 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
Edited by: Neon Genesis on
hmm well ok... but when you see that amount of people statin a problem with the guns as a whole(I dare not say majority, but a fair number of those that have expressed concerns are quiet experienced with the megathron.) normally there is something wrong. In the end it doesnt matter, the devs wont respond until they have a plan. Same thing happened with the tempest and projectiles, dont see why this situation will be any different.
Yes a bone where thrown to projectile users. More damage when you hit. The problem with projectiles is that they hit so randomly that it does not matter how high the damage mod are. So they are way of from being fixed.
So pleas donĘt think there are good or fixed yet.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.02.22 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/02/2005 10:17:16
People that don't have any clues and are only here to whine about something thats more a problem of themselves then a real imbalace should not come here at all preferably.
The one and only issue with the megathron (that is, the one and only thing that makes it relatively weak and is a problem with the ship itself or its weapons, and not with something else altogether), is the relative high cap use of its guns.
End of story.
There are some issues with other boats that make those ships too good. Those are gonna be adressed soon, and as a result the megathron will again be just as good as anything else at long range, reasonably good at med range and awfully good at short range.
But it will always be a gunboat set for damage and maybe medium tanking. It's not an Apoc nor a ******* Raven.
btw original poster: those 'problems' that suddenly became clear to you are like waaaay old. they are 5 times on every page of that thread that has 36 pages already. Why you felt the need to make a new thread is something of a mystery to me, especially since you bring no arguments or comparisons whasoever.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bad'Boy on 22/02/2005 11:08:55
I love my mega...
use it what its made to be used for and you'll be fine..
my blasterthron kills BS's in seconds..
even havy tanked apoc cant tank it..
I love it...
and I still havnt used a singe 800cap booster in few last days and have about 5-7 BS kills(3 from fleet battle)
I love this thing 
EDTI: and I got gall BS at leve 3 and large hybrid 3(working on it)
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:37:00 -
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dont see any drawback is mega, after one guy in it ripped my caldari BS apart with his guns(like 15 secs and armor at 50%).
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.02.22 12:38:00 -
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I gave my mega away... 
Anything i could do in a Mega could be done more effectivly in either an apoc or a raven.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.02.22 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Xtro 2 on 22/02/2005 12:47:48
The Megathron is a perfectly fine ship, it only sucks when people have the following problems.
1) their skills suck.
2) they insist on slapping on blasters and a mwd
3) they fit other crazy stuff/items.
Fit one as follows:
High
7x350x Rails
1xArbalest Rocket Launcher (Defender Missiles)
Mids
All Cap Rechargers (Tech2 Preferably Or Eutectics)
Lows
2x Lrg Armour Reps
3xThe Usual Standard Armour Hardeners (Exp/The/Kin)
Rest=Cap Power Relays
Drone Bay
Utilise drones to cover the other 2 damage types that your hybrids dont do.
Bang, sorted, loadsa firepower, fits, and doesnt run out of cap with maxxed skills.
Mine runs all day alike an apoc (shoot/both repairers going), only with the apoc the cap holds near 50-60% with this thron setup it holds nearer the 30-40% mark.
The ship is fine.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.02.22 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
Megathron is fantastic for 1 on 1 combat or as a heavy hitter in a gank/assination squad.
Apoc and Geddon are current masters of fleet PVP but role is mid range heavy hitters.
Tempest is mostly used as a sniper.
Raven is close support but mostly usless for pvp atm because of time to target delay.
Nah, apocs are just heavy tankers and gankageddons are a temporary "fad" that too many have jumped on the bandwagon in using.
Ravens, apocs, armas, megathrons, dominixes, scorps, typhoons are tempests are the masters of pvp.
That's right, all of the bs's can kill each other... Just depends on skills, your fit and your tactics.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2005.02.22 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Xtro 2
Edited by: Xtro 2 on 22/02/2005 12:47:48
The Megathron is a perfectly fine ship, it only sucks when people have the following problems.
1) their skills suck.
2) they insist on slapping on blasters and a mwd
3) they fit other crazy stuff/items.
In your opinion, which ships should be using blasters then? Or are you suggesting that Megathrons with blasters shouldn't have an MWD?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.02.22 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Rex Martell
Megathron is fantastic for 1 on 1 combat or as a heavy hitter in a gank/assination squad.
Apoc and Geddon are current masters of fleet PVP but role is mid range heavy hitters.
Tempest is mostly used as a sniper.
Raven is close support but mostly usless for pvp atm because of time to target delay.
Nah, apocs are just heavy tankers and gankageddons are a temporary "fad" that too many have jumped on the bandwagon in using.
Ravens, apocs, armas, megathrons, dominixes, scorps, typhoons are tempests are the masters of pvp.
That's right, all of the bs's can kill each other... Just depends on skills, your fit and your tactics.
OMGs, i agree with masta... noooooooooooo this day had to come, noooooooooooo...
im in a lucky position, my corp has masters of the tempest and megathron.... both groups have taken down all manner of BS... its totally the person and the setup that counts... ALL BS can take down another BS if correctly setup.
d solo.
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.02.22 13:42:00 -
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Quote:
There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.02.22 14:03:00 -
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Megathrons are the best close up pvp ship in the game and (I could be wrong here) they do even more dmg then a gankageddon, when setup with all dmg mods.
If you are trying to use it in any other way then close up fighting you are simply using the wrong tactics.
It's your mistake not the ship's fault.
You don't see armageddon pilots trying to take on lvl 4 missions swarmed by close range inti's and you don't see ravens camped out at 150km sniping at gates .
That doesn't make those ships bad, it just means its not the right tactics for the ship....
If you want to use other tactics train a different ship instead of complaining here and asking for more power.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.02.22 14:35:00 -
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Well there is this small problem called the Raven is you are talking about close range domination.
A ravens etup for close range will do it better atm I'm afraid.
But ofc, ravens cant go and switch guns and be good at 120km 10 mins later.
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Captin Zoom
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Posted - 2005.02.22 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlordUK
Megathrons are the best close up pvp ship in the game and (I could be wrong here) they do even more dmg then a gankageddon, when setup with all dmg mods.
If you are trying to use it in any other way then close up fighting you are simply using the wrong tactics.
It's your mistake not the ship's fault.
You don't see armageddon pilots trying to take on lvl 4 missions swarmed by close range inti's and you don't see ravens camped out at 150km sniping at gates .
That doesn't make those ships bad, it just means its not the right tactics for the ship....
If you want to use other tactics train a different ship instead of complaining here and asking for more power.
You are wrong
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The Armageddon is capable of more dmg/sec...
Megathron
Gallente Battleship lvl5
Gunnery lvl5
Large Hybrid lvl5
Rapid Firing lvl5
Surgical Strike lvl5
Weapon Upgs. Lvl5
Neutron blaster cannon I (base/Plus skills)
3.5x / 6.29x
7.875 sec / 5.316 sec
Engineering lvl5/Electroncis lvl5:
19,375 MW/ 687.5 tf
7x Neutron Blaster IĘs + 7 Magnetic Field Stabilizer IIĘs = 19,257 MW / 551.25 tf
total dmg/Rof mod: 1.507x / 0.6204x
----> 9.478x / 3.298 sec
With AM ammo: = 455/shot
= 3185/ volley
=966 dmg/sec
Armageddon:
Amarr Battleship lvl5
Gunnery lvl5
Large energy turret lvl5
Rapid Firing lvl 5
Surgical strike lvl5
Weapon Upgs. Lvl5
Mega Pulse Laser I: (base/Plus skills)
3x / 4.31x
7.875 sec / 3.987 sec
Engineering lvl5/Electronics lvl5:
20,625 MW/ 562.5 tf
7x Mega Pulse I + 8 Heat Sink IIĘs = 17,508 MW / 502.5 tf
Total dmg/Rof mod: 1.5736x / 0.5899x
----> 6.786x / 2.35 sec
With Multifrequency Crystals = 325/shot
= 2280/ volley
=969 dmg/sec
The Armageddon setup is useable. The Megathron one isnĘt (no MWD) unless you have friends. To add insult to injury the Armageddon has enough grid/CPU to swap all the Mega Pulse IĘs to Mega Pulse IIĘs:
Mega Pulse Laser II: (base/Plus skills)
3.6x / 5.175 (5.6925 with large Pulse laser Spec. lvl5)
With 8x Heatsinks:
----> 8.143x (8.958x) / 2.35 sec
With Multifrequency Crystals = 390 (430)/shot
= 2736 (3009)/ volley
= 1163 (1279) dmg/sec
...and the megathron can't fit tech 1 neutrons in a useable setup withput help...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.02.22 15:23:00 -
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"mmm, doesn't really hold up when you consider that 40%+ of battleships used in PvP are ravens."
Too bad 78.5% of statistics is made up on the spot... ¼¼;
breakdown of the battleship kills/losses from BoB killboard
scorpion: 19%
raven: 18%
apocalypse: 18%
armageddon: 15%
megathron: 13%
tempest: 8%
dominix: 5%
typhoon: 3%
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.02.22 15:43:00 -
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The megathron do not suck. The guns suck a bit, their cap use and grid useage(maybe) needs lookin at. Also maybe their base cap needs a little nudge. The dont need new bonuses, better armor, or any such crap. Nuff said me thinks.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.02.22 15:43:00 -
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ahhhh, but JOE.. im my experience scorps are usually the most punished battleship in fleet fights.. most gang target callers go for the scorps in case of ECM.. a scorp fitted for ECM and targetted by multiple ships dies quick. where as the raven, or other ships usually have defence and have a higher possibility to allign for warp..
so, as i see what u are trying to say, ships destroyed doesnt really give us a good understanding on what fleets are made up off.
For example apocs mostly carry a good tank, making them mostly last on the target list.
d solo.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2005.02.22 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: jonus Rath
Edited by: jonus Rath on 22/02/2005 06:43:54
When i was playing today something came to me, I found that the megathron is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. PVP is dominated by the raven. Tanking will go to the Apoc. and i still dont know what the min ship is good at, but ill bet its better at it then the mega. So i was just wondering what you all think should be done to make this ship better. What should be done to make it worth flying.
The tempest and most minmator ships haave the same problem but there not gonna get boosted any time soon so why should the mega? 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.02.23 13:35:00 -
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"ahhhh, but JOE.. im my experience scorps are usually the most punished battleship in fleet fights.. most gang target callers go for the scorps in case of ECM.. a scorp fitted for ECM and targetted by multiple ships dies quick. where as the raven, or other ships usually have defence and have a higher possibility to allign for warp.."
Aye, i understand; i think Scorpions and Megathrons on that list are likely to die more often than other ships, Scorpions due to what you said and Megathrons due to their suicidal tactics. Armageddons might die bit more often than average as well. Still, that leaves us with all the other ships listed there... note, if Ravens indeed make over 40% of fleets, then the Apocalypse which is even harder to kill and which has the equal share in that breakdown would have to have comparable share in real fleets. Which would leave no more than 20% of total amount for all other ships. Which means the amount of Scorpions is reduced to less than ~10% of total number of ships in the fleets... which in turn would mean for every killed Raven or Apocalypse you'd need to kill at least 4 scorps to make their numbers on the kill board even as they're now... which in turn is rather far-fetched if the scorpions were only such a small sliver of the fleet pie -- in order for this to work, in pretty much all battles you'd have to kill nothing but Scorpions... -.o
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.23 13:40:00 -
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most newer guys fly ravens and lot of empire corps as I seen
ravens just need less discipline to fly, but thy are not really good either,
i think the shiny torps make all the guys think "wooahh, look im l33t"
Wanna fly with me?
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