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Raid'En	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:57:00 - [31] i don't want the unfinished incarna we have now. howver i want incarna.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/07/2011 20:01:38 Originally by: jackaloped Clearly there are several people who can't wait to break out the credit card to buy some virtual boots and walk around. But clearly there are several other people who have absolutely no interest in this. CCP has only really worked for the first group for the last few years and neglected the second. Can't we get balance it out somewhat? For the last year or 2 there ahve been 70 developers on incarnatransactions and 22 developers to deal with the entire inspace game. Can we swap those numbers for 2 years? I'm a member of the group who sees almost no value in incarna. I'm sure many like me have quit after the 18 month debacle. Is there any hope that ccp will do anything to keep me and bring back those who quit? If we filled this thread with the changes, improvements to old content, and bug fixes that has happened over the last 2 years we would fill up the next couple of pages of this thread. All that done with heavy manpower devoted to other projects. We've got one more release to go, the one that brings in the multiplayer aspect of Incarna before the development heavy lifting is done, which pretty much falls right in line with the 18 month statement they made a year ago. Your questions have been answered for some time, you just refuse to acknowledge it. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:06:00 - [33] Ranger 1 Really only one more release for incarna then they will reassign devs back to inspace eve? Please give your source. Also how many devs are they going to assign and when? You seem to be giving us more information than ccp on this. Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/07/2011 20:01:38 Originally by: jackaloped Clearly there are several people who can't wait to break out the credit card to buy some virtual boots and walk around. But clearly there are several other people who have absolutely no interest in this. CCP has only really worked for the first group for the last few years and neglected the second. Can't we get balance it out somewhat? For the last year or 2 there ahve been 70 developers on incarnatransactions and 22 developers to deal with the entire inspace game. Can we swap those numbers for 2 years? I'm a member of the group who sees almost no value in incarna. I'm sure many like me have quit after the 18 month debacle. Is there any hope that ccp will do anything to keep me and bring back those who quit? If we filled this thread with the changes, improvements to old content, and bug fixes that has happened over the last 2 years we would fill up the next couple of pages of this thread. All that done with heavy manpower devoted to other projects. We've got one more release to go, the one that brings in the multiplayer aspect of Incarna before the development heavy lifting is done, which pretty much falls right in line with the 18 month statement they made a year ago. Your questions have been answered for some time, you just refuse to acknowledge it.
praznimrak Gallente Level Up	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:11:00 - [34] +1
Merlin Sorca	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:16:00 - [35] Ahem. I want Incarna. Quote: Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. It offers a lot. It changes a lot. Where you used to only be able to fly a ship, you now have a body to walk around in. Do you understand the potential this has? When fully developed, Incarna will offer you an experience like no other. Honestly, I wouldn't feel excited in expansions if all they released were bug fixes and more spaceships (in a game that's already about spaceships.)
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:19:00 - [36] I'm not sure if you are kidding. Yes you will have a computer body that you can pay money to dress up and walk around in. But that doesn't really sound like a fun game to me. Does it to you? Ill admit I don't get it. And I will concede that despite my not getting it, lots of people seem to want to do this. But can others not concede that there are many eve players who are like me and have little to no interest in this? Originally by: Merlin Sorca Ahem. I want Incarna. Quote: Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. It offers a lot. It changes a lot. Where you used to only be able to fly a ship, you now have a body to walk around in. Do you understand the potential this has? When fully developed, Incarna will offer you an experience like no other. Honestly, I wouldn't feel excited in expansions if all they released were bug fixes and more spaceships (in a game that's already about spaceships.)
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. +1 The OP speaks for me.
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:23:00 - [38] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. kind of cliche isnt it. Anyway to OP write list what you want : Pizza delivery every 6hrs after first login every day payed by ISK. And what you dont want : Plenty of things but mostly non of your business.
Starving Peasant	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:24:00 - [39] I want Incarna
Ianus Caldari Geminus Gateway	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Starving Peasant I want Incarna Me too, but give it to me gently. And never forget it.

Uuali	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:32:00 - [41] Edited by: Uuali on 02/07/2011 22:32:50 Ha Ha! Posting about not liking Incarna and you all of a sudden get all the folks who want it. Post a thread not directly mentioning people not liking Incarna and every person responding mentions that they don't like it. Weird. The asshats are now the ones that do want Incarna. Used to be the ones who didn't.
Khors El Barco Pirata	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Uuali Edited by: Uuali on 02/07/2011 22:32:50 Ha Ha! Posting about not liking Incarna and you all of a sudden get all the folks who want it. Post a thread not directly mentioning people not liking Incarna and every person responding mentions that they don't like it. Weird. The asshats are now the ones that do want Incarna. Used to be the ones who didn't. The supporters got fed up with the crying and the anti-incarna crowd ran out of ritalin and found something else to focus their energy on instead of the nerd rebellion?
General Xenophon	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:38:00 - [43] Sure there are aspects of Incarna I don't like, mostly that it doesn't offer player anything really tangible in terms of important changes to the game. Yes instead of station spinning I get to stare at my character and listen to my new pc's fans running very very frequently just to cool off the 'intense' station environment whilst my character stands their scratching himself- low system requirements, that's a lark ccp!. Sure there's a vanity shop for those who want to spend more money on items that thankfully don't do anything beneficial. But what about adding content into the game? Even better, why not fix or improve upon aspects of the game that have fallen to the way side in order to push out a half developed child that is this station environment? Most of us would be perfectly OK with an old Eve GFX engine if everything else in Eve worked fine, or even most of Eve for that matter, but as it stands now we get more and more intense GFX and less and less functionality... how does this make sense?
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:40:00 - [44] I wanted incarna since i joined in 2006 because I wanted more from this game than just ships. However my compy cant quite handle it. oops oh well, crap happens. I will just save up a little bit of RL isk till I can run it properly. Though I cant wait to get ship spinning back granted its only a temp fix but i am happy with that.
Khira Kitamatsu	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:51:00 - [45] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. Yep. OP does not speak for me. I WANT INCARNA!
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:55:00 - [46] Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 22:56:04 Originally by: Alyssa Yotosala Edited by: Alyssa Yotosala on 02/07/2011 19:29:46 OP: Why are you using the word 'we' when you clearly mean 'I'? "You" are simply part of a small vocal minority. Do not presume to speak for anyone but yourself and your minority. The rest of us have the mental capacity to see the forest from the trees. Why do you claim the players who think incarna is sucking up far too much of ccp's time are a "minority"? It clearly is not just him. A year ago many other players were upset that CCP decided to dedicate so many resources to incarna. True many of those players have probably left the game because they could see the writing on the wall. But until there is poll with some sort of scientifically signifciant results, you have no business claiming we are minority. I would think that even now most players think incarnatransactions are sucking up too much of CCP's resources that could be spent on the inspace eve. But in any case I am curious why so many players supposedly want incarna so bad. Paying for virtual clothes so you can have a computer avatar walk around in them? Walking walking walking - yep thats me in a long sleeve shirt and blue pants. Here I am in a yellow tshirt and gray pants. But I'm not just in a t-shirt and gray pants I'm walking in them!!!
Lu'Marat	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Lu''Marat on 02/07/2011 23:23:25 C'mon guys, deep down you all know you're just mad because they didn't introduce live hookers to the item shop and nobody's found a way to switch the CQ-TV to the **** channel yet. [Edit:] wait, what? The forums censor the word pr0n? Oy vey!
Lando Storm Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Lu'Marat C'mon guys, deep down you all know you're just mad because they didn't introduce live hookers to the item shop and nobody's found a way to switch the CQ-TV to the **** channel yet. This
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:31:00 - [49] I like Incarna, I look forward to walking in stations. Why can't we have it remain optional? What would it break, to allow us to choose as and when we disembark?
Vain Eldritch Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:35:00 - [50] @ OP Speak for yourself - I want Incarna. ______________________________ Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.

San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:38:00 - [51] I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. yup - to the OP - **** off, and stop presuming to speak for anyone but yourself. uh he speaks for a lot of people. i dont want Incarna. only the most oblivious of noobs and fanboys arent comprehending the implications of the recent moves by CCP. RIP EVE.
Khira Kitamatsu	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:41:00 - [53] Originally by: San Severina I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please. To bad so sad. Some of us have been waiting 6 years for WIS. We've finally seen the first part of it. I like it and I want more of it! Bring on the works CCP - I can take it and so can my comp!
Foxgguy2001 Gallente Second Hand Lions Redneck Rage	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:43:00 - [54] I most certainly want Incarna... it's pay to win and macro transactions i don't want. Creator of Eve Wallpapers -
VKhaun Vex	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:45:00 - [55] I want Incarna, and I'd also like to buy more eyes for my head, so I can then buy more monocles. Quote: Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:46:00 - [56] I want Incarna. Internet Walking is Serious Business.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Hungry Eyes uh he speaks for a lot of people. i dont want Incarna. only the most oblivious of noobs and fanboys arent comprehending the implications of the recent moves by CCP. RIP EVE. Let's assume that indeed he is speaking for "a lot" of people. Still doesn't give him the right to speak for us, as he is NOT speaking for me. But considering that anyone that disagrees with you is a "most oblivious of noobs and fanboys" that "arent comprehending" I don't expect you to understand the difference anyway. So carry on. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Mr Duffo	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:52:00 - [58] I want incarna.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.03 00:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu Originally by: San Severina I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please. To bad so sad. Some of us have been waiting 6 years for WIS. We've finally seen the first part of it. I like it and I want more of it! Bring on the works CCP - I can take it and so can my comp! You've been waiting 6 years for the ability to do something literally every other MMO in existence bases itself on? WTF are you doing playing eve then? Anyway, assuming the forums are any indication of how people feel in general (which they really aren't, but it's the best we have) the number of people supporting WIS has been notably lower than the number who think it's a waste. Personally I think that the whole thing wouldn't be such a big deal if CCP fixed some of the more glaring problems with the game coughblastersblackopsEAFsfactionwarfarecough but the fact that they spent the better part of a year (and the lesser part of closer to 5 years) making something so useless while completely ignoring things that people have been actively CAMPAIGNING to have fixed/changed for YEARS bothers me. Oh, and the fact that the expansion offered so little, even to those who DID want WIS, is hilarious. Am I the only one who half expected to log on for the first time, play for a few minutes, only to have the camera pan out to reveal my character playing eve on a monitor while definitely not being pleasured by 2 chicks who are definitely not the Olson twins, only to have them ask "Well, was the game any good ~~Duke~~ Cam?" Only to have my guy reply with "Yeah, but after 12 6 damn years it better be." In the end I didn't even get that :( All I got was a something that looks more like the alpha to an actual game (I wonder which one that could be...hmm...), offers no real content, breaks several different aspects of the game, needlessly nerfs others, makes it very difficult for many people to multibox, AND lays down the framework for microtransactions(not even going into the fact that this essentially makes this eve's first expansion that's NOT free, in a game where one of their selling points has always been not having to pay for expansions), which at this point regardless of what CCP says, are going to end up involving game-changing items (my money's on boosters, maybe a non-timelocked cerebral accelerator)
Warvan	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. Zeet Speak for yourself.. It would appear that there are more people that like incarna than you think. Stop crying that your PC sucks I think you're just a butthurt teenybopper what need to reattach homself to mommas skirt tails.



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