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Zeet A'Dron New Artisian and Mercenary Association	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:34:00 - [1] I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Boaz Hedion Merkava	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:44:00 - [3] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. Yeah, what he said. +1
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:46:00 - [4] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. yup - to the OP - **** off, and stop presuming to speak for anyone but yourself. .
Tanya Fox	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:47:00 - [5] When they set a spec, they set it at entry level, meaning with 1 client and a lowish graphics setting in mind. So if your PC meets that spec you should at least be able to play one way or another. Games usually have a recommended level too, so best to meet that spec at least if you want more from the game. But over time these specs will increase anyway as the game evolves. The main message for a lot of people was not Incarna, it was non-vanity items that give game advantages. Although Incarna was an issue, but not the main one.
Jasdemi Interstellar Whine Brewery Monocle Overlords	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:48:00 - [6] Butthurt OP is butthurt.
Scorpionidae	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:49:00 - [7] Your dumb! I want Incarna I think it is cool! I I I I I!!! Oh and if I! Can run two accounts at once on a laptop then WTF! peace of Sh!t are you playing on? Scorpionidae I found the signature!!!!!
TheJitaGuy	Posted - 2011.07.02 18:50:00 - [8] Ever since I started in 2007 I have been waiting for this to come out, and I'm eagerly awaiting walking in stations.
Blackjack 3v3	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:05:00 - [9] Originally by: TheJitaGuy Ever since I started in 2007 I have been waiting for this to come out, and I'm eagerly awaiting walking in stations. I hope they offer some flying eve board to glide in stations ... walking is so boring and the messed up WASD controls are nothing short of a disappointment. Arcade games offer a better control over you`re avatar
Mattias Kerensky Minmatar The Flying Tigers Strategic Operations Brigade	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Blackjack 3v3 I hope they offer some flying eve board to glide in stations ... walking is so boring and the messed up WASD controls are nothing short of a disappointment. Arcade games offer a better control over you`re avatar Works fine for me, then again I use mouse buttions, and I have a real pro mouse too. :P http://www.mrgadget.com.au/uploaded_images/Logitech_marble_mouse_trackball_blog-749054.jpg Hold down both buttons and steer with the ball, works amazingly well for walking around. And I never have to move my hand, so my lazy ass is even happier. :) Paraphrased from Top Gear: Imagine if you saw the entire French Air Force crash into a fireworks factory, that's the laugh that CCP gives us every time they do anything.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:13:00 - [11] I'd be delighted to see Incarna living up to it's potential. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:17:00 - [12] I don't want second life-lite Incarna and that's clearly all we're supposed to get.
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:21:00 - [13] there should be a vote every time someone is about to use 'we' on the forum. because they are usually using it without our consent.
Vastek Non	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Vastek Non on 02/07/2011 19:22:59 By 'we' you mean 'I'. Personally 'I' think it has lots of potential. Yes there are bugs that will need to be (and will be) ironed out. But after 6 years ship spinning gets a bit old you know. The new turrets and effects are outstanding. Don't ever presume to tell me what I do or don't like. Edit: Can run 3 accounts on a laptop quite well. In station does get a little laggy but not unpleasant.
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:24:00 - [15] I think you need to realize that Incarna is a necessary addition to continue growing EVE Online. EVE is now the only viable space MMO after Star Trek Online. I am a devout EVE player, and I spend half my time in the CQ because I am busy devising fits for my ships, I'm busy working on PI, and I am developing plans for my alliance/corporation. You are a bittervet. You are someone who does not embrace the new direction of EVE. Now, I am sure CCP is working on further expansions for the core player, but Incarna is a major priority at this time for CCP. Especially with its incomplete state. TL;DR - Quit *****ing and get back to your pew pew.
Alyssa Yotosala	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:25:00 - [16] OP: Why are you using the word 'we' when you clearly mean 'I'? "You" are simply part of a small vocal minority. Do not presume to speak for anyone but yourself and your butt-hurt minority. The rest of us have the mental capacity to see the wood from the trees.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis I'd be delighted to see Incarna living up to it's potential. Very, very much in agreement with this. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:36:00 - [18] I for one am hugely impressed with the visual quality of CQ, the lighting model (if not lighting placement) looks far better than any game on the market that I've seen. I can't wait to see where it goes next. Oh yea, OP is a selfish arse.
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:38:00 - [19] Over the past week, I raged on the forums. I called CCP out. I cancelled my accounts. I helped crash Amarr. And you know what? I think the full version of Incarna will be pretty cool. **** off OP.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:40:00 - [20] Clearly there are several people who can't wait to break out the credit card to buy some virtual boots and walk around. But clearly there are several other people who have absolutely no interest in this. CCP has only really worked for the first group for the last few years and neglected the second. Can't we get balance it out somewhat? For the last year or 2 there ahve been 70 developers on incarnatransactions and 22 developers to deal with the entire inspace game. Can we swap those numbers for 2 years? I'm a member of the group who sees almost no value in incarna. I'm sure many like me have quit after the 18 month debacle. Is there any hope that ccp will do anything to keep me and bring back those who quit?
baltec1	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:42:00 - [21] Yesterday I was camped in station for 30 min. I sat and watched the tv which wasnt all that bad. I learned that several new players joined eve, several people have rather large bounties on them, where incursions are happening, that an alliance was terrible and lost sov and that the thorax is now up for sale in station I like Incarna.
Vastek Non	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Mister Smithington Over the past week, I raged on the forums. I called CCP out. I cancelled my accounts. I helped crash Amarr. And you know what? I think the full version of Incarna will be pretty cool. **** off OP. This.
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:46:00 - [23] I see several people here saying they want Incarna. It's pretty clear though all of them are saying "as long as it does X" though. Really I've not seen many say Incarna is a bad idea in theory. The discussion at hand is what will actually be delivered and what we gave up for it. Just because you want Incarna doesn't protect you from the same disappointment the OP already feels.
impli Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Vin Hellsing I think you need to realize that Incarna is a necessary addition to continue growing EVE Online. EVE is now the only viable space MMO after Star Trek Online. I am a devout EVE player, and I spend half my time in the CQ because I am busy devising fits for my ships, I'm busy working on PI, and I am developing plans for my alliance/corporation. You are a bittervet. You are someone who does not embrace the new direction of EVE. Now, I am sure CCP is working on further expansions for the core player, but Incarna is a major priority at this time for CCP. Especially with its incomplete state. TL;DR - Quit *****ing and get back to your pew pew. +1
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. Awww, someone missed nap time? If you are unhappy quit. They are committed to Incarna, it is going forward, and even the huge protest and demand for ship spinning got a promise to work ship spinning into Incarna. Not separate from or a replacement of Incarna, a small part of it to be developed later. Your desire will not be met. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Carli Zandrya Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:48:00 - [26] I get really tired of people using the word 'we' and 'they'. That's politician-speak. --------------------------------------------- Take a stand or fall for anything. EvE is no longer wife, it is now sleazy mistress.
Mistle Riannon Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? I can run 3 accounts simultaneously on a 4 year old rig with 30 fps on medium/high setting.. What kind of a ****ty PC do u have...? ---- "Bo wszystkie terytoria należą do pięknego złego Należą do Szatana, pana świata tego"
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:54:00 - [28] I do want incarna, just a bit more stable. And more than 1 feking room.
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:54:00 - [29] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. QFT. --- The ≡v≡ Online Forums: where all the kiddies go to whine.
DurrHurrDurr	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:56:00 - [30] I want Incarna.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:57:00 - [31] i don't want the unfinished incarna we have now. howver i want incarna.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/07/2011 20:01:38 Originally by: jackaloped Clearly there are several people who can't wait to break out the credit card to buy some virtual boots and walk around. But clearly there are several other people who have absolutely no interest in this. CCP has only really worked for the first group for the last few years and neglected the second. Can't we get balance it out somewhat? For the last year or 2 there ahve been 70 developers on incarnatransactions and 22 developers to deal with the entire inspace game. Can we swap those numbers for 2 years? I'm a member of the group who sees almost no value in incarna. I'm sure many like me have quit after the 18 month debacle. Is there any hope that ccp will do anything to keep me and bring back those who quit? If we filled this thread with the changes, improvements to old content, and bug fixes that has happened over the last 2 years we would fill up the next couple of pages of this thread. All that done with heavy manpower devoted to other projects. We've got one more release to go, the one that brings in the multiplayer aspect of Incarna before the development heavy lifting is done, which pretty much falls right in line with the 18 month statement they made a year ago. Your questions have been answered for some time, you just refuse to acknowledge it. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:06:00 - [33] Ranger 1 Really only one more release for incarna then they will reassign devs back to inspace eve? Please give your source. Also how many devs are they going to assign and when? You seem to be giving us more information than ccp on this. Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/07/2011 20:01:38 Originally by: jackaloped Clearly there are several people who can't wait to break out the credit card to buy some virtual boots and walk around. But clearly there are several other people who have absolutely no interest in this. CCP has only really worked for the first group for the last few years and neglected the second. Can't we get balance it out somewhat? For the last year or 2 there ahve been 70 developers on incarnatransactions and 22 developers to deal with the entire inspace game. Can we swap those numbers for 2 years? I'm a member of the group who sees almost no value in incarna. I'm sure many like me have quit after the 18 month debacle. Is there any hope that ccp will do anything to keep me and bring back those who quit? If we filled this thread with the changes, improvements to old content, and bug fixes that has happened over the last 2 years we would fill up the next couple of pages of this thread. All that done with heavy manpower devoted to other projects. We've got one more release to go, the one that brings in the multiplayer aspect of Incarna before the development heavy lifting is done, which pretty much falls right in line with the 18 month statement they made a year ago. Your questions have been answered for some time, you just refuse to acknowledge it.
praznimrak Gallente Level Up	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:11:00 - [34] +1
Merlin Sorca	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:16:00 - [35] Ahem. I want Incarna. Quote: Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. It offers a lot. It changes a lot. Where you used to only be able to fly a ship, you now have a body to walk around in. Do you understand the potential this has? When fully developed, Incarna will offer you an experience like no other. Honestly, I wouldn't feel excited in expansions if all they released were bug fixes and more spaceships (in a game that's already about spaceships.)
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:19:00 - [36] I'm not sure if you are kidding. Yes you will have a computer body that you can pay money to dress up and walk around in. But that doesn't really sound like a fun game to me. Does it to you? Ill admit I don't get it. And I will concede that despite my not getting it, lots of people seem to want to do this. But can others not concede that there are many eve players who are like me and have little to no interest in this? Originally by: Merlin Sorca Ahem. I want Incarna. Quote: Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. It offers a lot. It changes a lot. Where you used to only be able to fly a ship, you now have a body to walk around in. Do you understand the potential this has? When fully developed, Incarna will offer you an experience like no other. Honestly, I wouldn't feel excited in expansions if all they released were bug fixes and more spaceships (in a game that's already about spaceships.)
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. +1 The OP speaks for me.
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:23:00 - [38] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. kind of cliche isnt it. Anyway to OP write list what you want : Pizza delivery every 6hrs after first login every day payed by ISK. And what you dont want : Plenty of things but mostly non of your business.
Starving Peasant	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:24:00 - [39] I want Incarna
Ianus Caldari Geminus Gateway	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Starving Peasant I want Incarna Me too, but give it to me gently. And never forget it.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:32:00 - [41] Edited by: Uuali on 02/07/2011 22:32:50 Ha Ha! Posting about not liking Incarna and you all of a sudden get all the folks who want it. Post a thread not directly mentioning people not liking Incarna and every person responding mentions that they don't like it. Weird. The asshats are now the ones that do want Incarna. Used to be the ones who didn't.
Khors El Barco Pirata	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Uuali Edited by: Uuali on 02/07/2011 22:32:50 Ha Ha! Posting about not liking Incarna and you all of a sudden get all the folks who want it. Post a thread not directly mentioning people not liking Incarna and every person responding mentions that they don't like it. Weird. The asshats are now the ones that do want Incarna. Used to be the ones who didn't. The supporters got fed up with the crying and the anti-incarna crowd ran out of ritalin and found something else to focus their energy on instead of the nerd rebellion?
General Xenophon	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:38:00 - [43] Sure there are aspects of Incarna I don't like, mostly that it doesn't offer player anything really tangible in terms of important changes to the game. Yes instead of station spinning I get to stare at my character and listen to my new pc's fans running very very frequently just to cool off the 'intense' station environment whilst my character stands their scratching himself- low system requirements, that's a lark ccp!. Sure there's a vanity shop for those who want to spend more money on items that thankfully don't do anything beneficial. But what about adding content into the game? Even better, why not fix or improve upon aspects of the game that have fallen to the way side in order to push out a half developed child that is this station environment? Most of us would be perfectly OK with an old Eve GFX engine if everything else in Eve worked fine, or even most of Eve for that matter, but as it stands now we get more and more intense GFX and less and less functionality... how does this make sense?
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:40:00 - [44] I wanted incarna since i joined in 2006 because I wanted more from this game than just ships. However my compy cant quite handle it. oops oh well, crap happens. I will just save up a little bit of RL isk till I can run it properly. Though I cant wait to get ship spinning back granted its only a temp fix but i am happy with that.
Khira Kitamatsu	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:51:00 - [45] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. Yep. OP does not speak for me. I WANT INCARNA!
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 22:55:00 - [46] Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 22:56:04 Originally by: Alyssa Yotosala Edited by: Alyssa Yotosala on 02/07/2011 19:29:46 OP: Why are you using the word 'we' when you clearly mean 'I'? "You" are simply part of a small vocal minority. Do not presume to speak for anyone but yourself and your minority. The rest of us have the mental capacity to see the forest from the trees. Why do you claim the players who think incarna is sucking up far too much of ccp's time are a "minority"? It clearly is not just him. A year ago many other players were upset that CCP decided to dedicate so many resources to incarna. True many of those players have probably left the game because they could see the writing on the wall. But until there is poll with some sort of scientifically signifciant results, you have no business claiming we are minority. I would think that even now most players think incarnatransactions are sucking up too much of CCP's resources that could be spent on the inspace eve. But in any case I am curious why so many players supposedly want incarna so bad. Paying for virtual clothes so you can have a computer avatar walk around in them? Walking walking walking - yep thats me in a long sleeve shirt and blue pants. Here I am in a yellow tshirt and gray pants. But I'm not just in a t-shirt and gray pants I'm walking in them!!!
Lu'Marat	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Lu''Marat on 02/07/2011 23:23:25 C'mon guys, deep down you all know you're just mad because they didn't introduce live hookers to the item shop and nobody's found a way to switch the CQ-TV to the **** channel yet. [Edit:] wait, what? The forums censor the word pr0n? Oy vey!
Lando Storm Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Lu'Marat C'mon guys, deep down you all know you're just mad because they didn't introduce live hookers to the item shop and nobody's found a way to switch the CQ-TV to the **** channel yet. This
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:31:00 - [49] I like Incarna, I look forward to walking in stations. Why can't we have it remain optional? What would it break, to allow us to choose as and when we disembark?
Vain Eldritch Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:35:00 - [50] @ OP Speak for yourself - I want Incarna. ______________________________ Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:38:00 - [51] I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. yup - to the OP - **** off, and stop presuming to speak for anyone but yourself. uh he speaks for a lot of people. i dont want Incarna. only the most oblivious of noobs and fanboys arent comprehending the implications of the recent moves by CCP. RIP EVE.
Khira Kitamatsu	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:41:00 - [53] Originally by: San Severina I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please. To bad so sad. Some of us have been waiting 6 years for WIS. We've finally seen the first part of it. I like it and I want more of it! Bring on the works CCP - I can take it and so can my comp!
Foxgguy2001 Gallente Second Hand Lions Redneck Rage	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:43:00 - [54] I most certainly want Incarna... it's pay to win and macro transactions i don't want. Creator of Eve Wallpapers -
VKhaun Vex	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:45:00 - [55] I want Incarna, and I'd also like to buy more eyes for my head, so I can then buy more monocles. Quote: Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:46:00 - [56] I want Incarna. Internet Walking is Serious Business.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Hungry Eyes uh he speaks for a lot of people. i dont want Incarna. only the most oblivious of noobs and fanboys arent comprehending the implications of the recent moves by CCP. RIP EVE. Let's assume that indeed he is speaking for "a lot" of people. Still doesn't give him the right to speak for us, as he is NOT speaking for me. But considering that anyone that disagrees with you is a "most oblivious of noobs and fanboys" that "arent comprehending" I don't expect you to understand the difference anyway. So carry on. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Mr Duffo	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:52:00 - [58] I want incarna.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.03 00:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu Originally by: San Severina I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please. To bad so sad. Some of us have been waiting 6 years for WIS. We've finally seen the first part of it. I like it and I want more of it! Bring on the works CCP - I can take it and so can my comp! You've been waiting 6 years for the ability to do something literally every other MMO in existence bases itself on? WTF are you doing playing eve then? Anyway, assuming the forums are any indication of how people feel in general (which they really aren't, but it's the best we have) the number of people supporting WIS has been notably lower than the number who think it's a waste. Personally I think that the whole thing wouldn't be such a big deal if CCP fixed some of the more glaring problems with the game coughblastersblackopsEAFsfactionwarfarecough but the fact that they spent the better part of a year (and the lesser part of closer to 5 years) making something so useless while completely ignoring things that people have been actively CAMPAIGNING to have fixed/changed for YEARS bothers me. Oh, and the fact that the expansion offered so little, even to those who DID want WIS, is hilarious. Am I the only one who half expected to log on for the first time, play for a few minutes, only to have the camera pan out to reveal my character playing eve on a monitor while definitely not being pleasured by 2 chicks who are definitely not the Olson twins, only to have them ask "Well, was the game any good ~~Duke~~ Cam?" Only to have my guy reply with "Yeah, but after 12 6 damn years it better be." In the end I didn't even get that :( All I got was a something that looks more like the alpha to an actual game (I wonder which one that could be...hmm...), offers no real content, breaks several different aspects of the game, needlessly nerfs others, makes it very difficult for many people to multibox, AND lays down the framework for microtransactions(not even going into the fact that this essentially makes this eve's first expansion that's NOT free, in a game where one of their selling points has always been not having to pay for expansions), which at this point regardless of what CCP says, are going to end up involving game-changing items (my money's on boosters, maybe a non-timelocked cerebral accelerator)
Warvan	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. Zeet Speak for yourself.. It would appear that there are more people that like incarna than you think. Stop crying that your PC sucks I think you're just a butthurt teenybopper what need to reattach homself to mommas skirt tails.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:53:00 - [61] I want Incarna. I just want other more important things first.
Starving Peasant	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:26:00 - [62] Originally by: San Severina I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please. Incarna doesn't want you. Perhaps you should stop playing?
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:28:00 - [63] Buy a titan and sit in it for ever, then you do not have to play incarna at all.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:32:00 - [64] Incarna has potential, atm it's simply not ready and shouldn't be released. MT for vanity items? Couldn't care less. I don't play Eve do dress and undress dolls, sorry, characters.
Talyn Ambraelle Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. Yeah, what he said. +1 Yeah, add me to the list. I've been playing Eve for almost 4 months, and I wouldn't have lasted 30 days prior to the Incursion patch. I've been playing MMOs for 15 years, and Eve is just now getting features that I have been used to for 15 years. Since we've all presumably read the patch notes for the Incursion and Incarna updates, I won't have to list the new features but I will comment on one thing: switching from ship to ship should be as fast as it is now, not as slow as it was in May. That alone would have chased me off the game. I also look forward to walking around in space stations because I find the missions in this game repetitive and, frankly, boring as ****. That's just me. If you like missions, run them. If you like mining, do some. I prefer to interact with other players.
Zanes Shoubje	Posted - 2011.07.03 14:55:00 - [66] With the hints given by CCP at what it could be, PVP. I want Incarna now
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:02:00 - [67] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. Quoted for great justice.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:06:00 - [68] I too want Incarna. I don't want Monocles, but I respect that other people may.
Algathas Minmatar The Revenge of Auntie Freeze	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Foxgguy2001 I most certainly want Incarna... it's pay to win and macro transactions i don't want. This ^ "[i]We have spais in their base. Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs We have better organizational capabilities
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:38:00 - [70] Edited by: Linar Mardolak on 03/07/2011 15:38:49 Even as someone who has strongly disagreed with CCP's other directions, I like Incarna. I don't need ship spinning, though it's okay. I'd like to see dock to hangar->choose to enter CQ for better immersion. However, I very much want WiS. I want to see immersive gameplay on the stations and on the planets. I quite like the idea of DUST, even though I think it's not being ideally implemented. I'd like to see more interaction between DUST/stations/capsuleers, not less. I'm happy with decorative avatar items, though I'd prefer player-built items, not MT. In short, your opinion is not shared by me, nor by most players, as shown by the replies here.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:48:00 - [71] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 03/07/2011 15:48:01 Whether you want Incarna or not or couldn't care less, it's here. CCP isn't going to back out of years of invested time now. This is what CCP wants. They've been talking about it for years. They've been developing it in one form of the others for years. It's not going away. Be happy that they're rethinking the whole "Load station environment" situation to accommodate those that can't run Incarna or those that don't want to run it.
Aramatheia	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:11:00 - [72] Spin, spin you good thing! hangar view isnt the only way to spin without being in deep space!
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:13:00 - [73] I very much want Incarna. Please, CCP, continue with your vision. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:15:00 - [74] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. Hi, I just want to let you know how much one of the 3 following you are, not sure which; trolling? daft? complaining about the wrong thing? I benchmark my PC constantly. Incarna runs slower than Incursion with CQ on. Incarna runs FASTER than Incursion with CQ off. You should be begging CCP to keep it optional, not roll it back if performance truly is your issue. If not nice troll because it got me to reply. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Raz Xym	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:15:00 - [75] I do not want Incarna. It has been a 100% waste of time. If you want to play dress up, play some other game. If you need to be a pretty pretty princess, play some other game. Incarna is only a tool they are using to sell virtual crap to real idiots. But to do this they are effecting everyones game play and taking development time away from real Eve projects. Soon they will fire all the dev's and have a house full of graphic artists making you losers new shoes for **** sakes. Open your eyes.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:17:00 - [76] I always liked the concept of Incarna as a way to increase depth and immersion. I just don't like how it's implemented the way all other features were done in the past years and kept in that state: Broken, bruised, forgotten, sore. --------
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Raz Xym I do not want Incarna. It has been a 100% waste of time. If you want to play dress up, play some other game. If you need to be a pretty pretty princess, play some other game. Incarna is only a tool they are using to sell virtual crap to real idiots. But to do this they are effecting everyones game play and taking development time away from real Eve projects. Soon they will fire all the dev's and have a house full of graphic artists making you losers new shoes for **** sakes. Open your eyes. Not exactly sure how its a "waste of time". I think what you are trying to say is you don't like it so nobody should have it. Thats too bad. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Raz Xym	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:37:00 - [78] I call the amount of time and effort put into creating Incarna a waste. It brings no extra functionality to eve, unless you want to play dress-up. This has been years of development, wasted.
Molokhe	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:45:00 - [79] Originally by: Raz Xym I do not want Incarna. It has been a 100% waste of time. If you want to play dress up, play some other game. If you need to be a pretty pretty princess, play some other game. Incarna is only a tool they are using to sell virtual crap to real idiots. But to do this they are effecting everyones game play and taking development time away from real Eve projects. Soon they will fire all the dev's and have a house full of graphic artists making you losers new shoes for **** sakes. Open your eyes. Always makes me smile when someone with such a narrow view, tells me to open my eyes.
Isabella Thresher Fat Kitty Inc. Excuses.	Posted - 2011.07.03 16:52:00 - [80] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. +1, altough i strongly hope there will be positive changes and additions to the core gameplay (read: non-incarna) soon.
Raz Xym	Posted - 2011.07.03 17:06:00 - [81] Originally by: Molokhe Originally by: Raz Xym I do not want Incarna. It has been a 100% waste of time. If you want to play dress up, play some other game. If you need to be a pretty pretty princess, play some other game. Incarna is only a tool they are using to sell virtual crap to real idiots. But to do this they are effecting everyones game play and taking development time away from real Eve projects. Soon they will fire all the dev's and have a house full of graphic artists making you losers new shoes for **** sakes. Open your eyes. Always makes me smile when someone with such a narrow view, tells me to open my eyes. Please tell me your enlightened viewpoint. Tell me how Incarna improves Eve. Or do you just want to play dress-up?
Molokhe	Posted - 2011.07.03 17:40:00 - [82] Originally by: Raz Xym Originally by: Molokhe Originally by: Raz Xym I do not want Incarna. It has been a 100% waste of time. If you want to play dress up, play some other game. If you need to be a pretty pretty princess, play some other game. Incarna is only a tool they are using to sell virtual crap to real idiots. But to do this they are effecting everyones game play and taking development time away from real Eve projects. Soon they will fire all the dev's and have a house full of graphic artists making you losers new shoes for **** sakes. Open your eyes. Always makes me smile when someone with such a narrow view, tells me to open my eyes. Please tell me your enlightened viewpoint. Tell me how Incarna improves Eve. Or do you just want to play dress-up? Since you ask me so nicely... Incarna opens up a few opportunities that you seem to be missing in your obsession with dressing up (anyone else thinking 'in denial'?). First, they are creating a new (non-glittery) vampire MMO which will have combat outside of spaceships. There is the opportunity to introduce this combat to Eve. I have no idea if they have any plans to so so, but the potential is there. Next, there is the potential offered to increase the gameplay available to the merchants in the playerbase. I only joined SWG in the final days, but I was impressed with how they allowed the crafters to set up shop. Again, only talking potential. Some people I know who play MMOs don't like Eve since they feel they are playing a ship and not a character. Only partly understood that, but having a character might encourage more of them to play and it won't be just 'dressing up' they'd do. I'm assuming that this will apply to more then just the few people I know. A larger player base could be good for the game. Now it could be that they don't develop it to its full potential, but I think you'd have to be pretty dim to think that they would spend this long on a game, have it as their principal revenue source, then gamble it all on making it a dress up game (even if some people would buy a secret account ) Myself, I'm looking forward to the WoD MMO, but I'm also hoping that they take some of the features from that game and introduce them to this one. I could be totally wrong, but at least I'm not the idiot saying mine is the only viewpoint, and you must be a loser if you disagree.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 17:42:00 - [83] Do I need to spell it out? The OP is an uniformed dolt who presumes to speak for hundreds of thousands of players and should be mostly ignored (he's entitled to his opinion too, unfortunately). ~Gnosis~
Michelear Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.03 17:42:00 - [84] WE DO WANT INCARNA. Speak for yourself OP. You're obviously a disconnected malcontent who needs to stop speaking for the community. ----------
Gartanus Caldari Gartanus Corp	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:15:00 - [85] I just love how some yahoo decides to speak for me. Believe me... as my friends can tell you....If "I" have something to say, I have no problem saying it! Now with that said...let me correct the OP. I DO want Incarna! Do not assume that you have the right or that I need you to speak for me. This space reserved for something witty.....
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:30:00 - [86] I want Incarna, in fact I wanted it when I started a few years back, it's been missing for a long time. Now I wish I had a disembark button. AG ================================================== Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill. -CSM Trebor
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:34:00 - [87] Incarna certainly has the potential. But only as an integral part of EVE gameplay, not as a shopping mall add-on at the expense of EVE gameplay, as it currently is. ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
Raz Xym	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:38:00 - [88] Edited by: Raz Xym on 03/07/2011 18:40:31 Okay let me repeat, how Incarna improves Eve, not WoD. Originally by: Molokhe Incarna opens up a few opportunities that you seem to be missing in your obsession with dressing up (anyone else thinking 'in denial'?). Yes I must be in denial. Thanks for the help. You probably just saved me millions in therapy. Originally by: Molokhe First, they are creating a new (non-glittery) vampire MMO which will have combat outside of spaceships. There is the opportunity to introduce this combat to Eve. I have no idea if they have any plans to so so, but the potential is there. That is great, they are creating another game. Does nothing for Eve. I don't even no how to respond to the "introduce this combet to eve" thing. You have played eve right? Originally by: Molokhe Next, there is the potential offered to increase the gameplay available to the merchants in the playerbase. I only joined SWG in the final days, but I was impressed with how they allowed the crafters to set up shop. Again, only talking potential. What value would this bring? Eve has one of the best auction/market places already. Why would I want to stand infront of a market stall? I played SWG, I loved SWG, but just because it worked there does not mean it will bring value to Eve. And again, this is a pipe dream. Originally by: Molokhe Some people I know who play MMOs don't like Eve since they feel they are playing a ship and not a character. Only partly understood that, but having a character might encourage more of them to play and it won't be just 'dressing up' they'd do. I'm assuming that this will apply to more then just the few people I know. A larger player base could be good for the game. This actually has some merit. I know people who said they do not play the game because they do not feel attached to their pod. But time and resource wise, I am willing to bet, the numbers will not be there. Time will tell. Originally by: Molokhe Now it could be that they don't develop it to its full potential, but I think you'd have to be pretty dim to think that they would spend this long on a game, have it as their principal revenue source, then gamble it all on making it a dress up game (even if some people would buy a secret account ) I think you could be pretty dim if you think game developers can't lose touch with their game. You mentioned SWG, didnt you? Originally by: Molokhe Myself, I'm looking forward to the WoD MMO, but I'm also hoping that they take some of the features from that game and introduce them to this one. I could be totally wrong, but at least I'm not the idiot saying mine is the only viewpoint, and you must be a loser if you disagree. I am glad you are looking forward to some other game. If there are features WoD, that make sense in Eve, I hope they implement them also. But I stand by what I said. And I never said you couldnt have a different viewpoint. But I do question people who think Incarna is leading Eve in the right direction. I guess I can't do that.
Michelear Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:41:00 - [89] Originally by: Raz Xym Okay let me repeat, how Incarna improves Eve, not WoD. Originally by: Molokhe Incarna opens up a few opportunities that you seem to be missing in your obsession with dressing up (anyone else thinking 'in denial'?). Yes I must be in denial. Thanks for the help. You probably just saved me millions in therapy. Originally by: Molokhe First, they are creating a new (non-glittery) vampire MMO which will have combat outside of spaceships. There is the opportunity to introduce this combat to Eve. I have no idea if they have any plans to so so, but the potential is there. That is great, they are creating another game. Does nothing for Eve. I don't even no how to respond to the "introduce this combet to eve" thing. You have played eve right? Originally by: Molokhe Next, there is the potential offered to increase the gameplay available to the merchants in the playerbase. I only joined SWG in the final days, but I was impressed with how they allowed the crafters to set up shop. Again, only talking potential. What value would this bring? Eve has one of the best auction/market places already. Why would I want to stand infront of a market stall? I played SWG, I loved SWG, but just because it worked there does not mean it will bring value to Eve. And again, this is a pipe dream. Originally by: Molokhe Some people I know who play MMOs don't like Eve since they feel they are playing a ship and not a character. Only partly understood that, but having a character might encourage more of them to play and it won't be just 'dressing up' they'd do. I'm assuming that this will apply to more then just the few people I know. A larger player base could be good for the game. This actually has some merit. I know people who said they do not play the game because they do not feel attached to their pod. But time and resource wise, I am willing to bet, the numbers will not be there. Time will tell. Originally by: Molokhe Now it could be that they don't develop it to its full potential, but I think you'd have to be pretty dim to think that they would spend this long on a game, have it as their principal revenue source, then gamble it all on making it a dress up game (even if some people would buy a secret account ) I think you could be pretty dim if you think game developers can't lose touch with their game. You mentioned SWG, didnt you? Originally by: Molokhe Myself, I'm looking forward to the WoD MMO, but I'm also hoping that they take some of the features from that game and introduce them to this one. I could be totally wrong, but at least I'm not the idiot saying mine is the only viewpoint, and you must be a loser if you disagree. I am glad you are looking forward to some other game. If there are features WoD, that make sense in Eve, I hope they implement them also. But I stand by what I said. And I never said you couldnt have a different viewpoint. But I do question people who think Incarna is leading Eve in the right direction. I guess I can't do that. You're blind in your views. Open up your mind a little and maybe you'll start to understand a few things. ----------
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:45:00 - [90] I also wanted Incarna and I still want it! Well an Incarna where I can meet people; An Incarna that doesn't blow up my PC; Incarna with bars and mini-games; Incarna with lights that doesn't make me look like a zombie.
murdders	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:51:00 - [91] Mby a cellphone app for us guys to change skills on who dont have good compies. im going to school now so i dont need the distraction but i would like to continue training. been out of training for a week now because im on a netbook. incarna is cool idea but scary. hope it turns out for the best. an option to walk around would be nice. i dont play eve for the graphics i do it for the gameplay. Thx for anyone who reads this. im interested in your agreements and disagreements.
Cyra Mangeiri	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:53:00 - [92] Edited by: Cyra Mangeiri on 03/07/2011 18:53:29 Originally by: Raz Xym I am glad you are looking forward to some other game. If there are features WoD, that make sense in Eve, I hope they implement them also. But I stand by what I said. And I never said you couldnt have a different viewpoint. But I do question people who think Incarna is leading Eve in the right direction. I guess I can't do that. Not everyone can, and not everyone who's wanting Incarna real bad understand those that don't. It's really not a big deal in itself, but there's a problem with the people who think X yelling with all their might Y is the most evil thing ever and will kill everyone on this planet if introduced. And in reply people thinking Y yell the same thing about X. Tastes, desires, viewpoints and whatnot differ from person to person, and understanding that (while not necessarily understanding the others' views) is a good start for a good community. Waiting to see that happen here :p In general, every expansion EVE has ever had has had its doomsayers and "DO NOT WANT"-crew, perhaps not quite as vocal as in this case, but they're always there. The issue is not the content they don't want, it's just that CCP doesn't have the exact priorities they think CCP should have, and they're pretty much incapable of expressing their disagreement in ways that doesn't involve bratty whine. And I'm not saying you're whining, just to be sure I'm not misunderstood. For the reference, I really want what Incarna is promising, but what it's not delivering as is. Also, I want a RP filter for the corp finder. Edit: I fail at quoting
Julius Mayaki	Posted - 2011.07.03 19:18:00 - [93] MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM FEED ME YOUR TEARS! YES THEIR DELECIOUS!!!! MMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!
Emiko Luan Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:23:00 - [94] Edited by: Emiko Luan on 03/07/2011 20:23:50 I want incarna, I resubbed for this, and am enjoying EVE even more with it, can't wait for more station action :) It's a shame you're leaving, but such is life, can't please everyone. @Murdders, just visit one of your friends and change skills on their computer ^_^ --- +Welcome to my world+
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:29:00 - [95] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. This. Shut up. You don't speak for the entire community. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.07.03 20:35:00 - [96] Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 03/07/2011 20:35:04 I want the full incarnation and I don't want to have to pay for bits of this game when I've already paid in full. As long as CCP keep to their end of the contract then I am satisfied.
Darq Vixen	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:13:00 - [97] I would not mind Incarna, if it would be implemented properly. The current iteration is pathetic, both functionally (there is nothing you CAN do) and technically (runs slower than Crysis, while not looking remotely as nice, AA missing from some areas on certain graphic cards, etc.). Also, I would not mind Incarna if the tons of issues affecting EVE current gameplay (which is mostly about flying and fighting in Internet Spaceships) would be fixed FIRST. As long as CCP focuses on Incarna just as a showcase for overpriced MT items in the NEX, I could not care less about it. My other 2 accounts have already expired, so I will hang around in this 3rd one until it runs out as well to see what happens next ... Cheers, Darq
Raven Aldura	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:21:00 - [98] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. Started in august 2003 here and I love the incarna direction. I will continue to be here for the foreseeable future.
Silas Truelove Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:39:00 - [99] Edited by: Silas Truelove on 03/07/2011 21:45:04 Originally by: Raz Xym I do not want Incarna. It has been a 100% waste of time. If you want to play dress up, play some other game. If you need to be a pretty pretty princess, play some other game. Incarna is only a tool they are using to sell virtual crap to real idiots. But to do this they are effecting everyones game play and taking development time away from real Eve projects. Soon they will fire all the dev's and have a house full of graphic artists making you losers new shoes for **** sakes. Open your eyes. You clearly have no respect for people with differing opinions than your own. So why the hell should we have any respect for yours? Your beliefs on this issue are no more valid than the people you are deriding. Having said that, I DO believe that a dwarf psychic who escaped from jail could be called a small medium at large
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:45:00 - [100] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu Originally by: San Severina I don't want incarna & I don't want MT of any kind. Roll back to pre-Incarna please. To bad so sad. Some of us have been waiting 6 years for WIS. We've finally seen the first part of it. I like it and I want more of it! Bring on the works CCP - I can take it and so can my comp! You've been waiting 6 years for the ability to do something literally every other MMO in existence bases itself on? WTF are you doing playing eve then? Anyway, assuming the forums are any indication of how people feel in general (which they really aren't, but it's the best we have) the number of people supporting WIS has been notably lower than the number who think it's a waste. Personally I think that the whole thing wouldn't be such a big deal if CCP fixed some of the more glaring problems with the game coughblastersblackopsEAFsfactionwarfarecough but the fact that they spent the better part of a year (and the lesser part of closer to 5 years) making something so useless while completely ignoring things that people have been actively CAMPAIGNING to have fixed/changed for YEARS bothers me. Oh, and the fact that the expansion offered so little, even to those who DID want WIS, is hilarious. Am I the only one who half expected to log on for the first time, play for a few minutes, only to have the camera pan out to reveal my character playing eve on a monitor while definitely not being pleasured by 2 chicks who are definitely not the Olson twins, only to have them ask "Well, was the game any good ~~Duke~~ Cam?" Only to have my guy reply with "Yeah, but after 12 6 damn years it better be." In the end I didn't even get that :( All I got was a something that looks more like the alpha to an actual game (I wonder which one that could be...hmm...), offers no real content, breaks several different aspects of the game, needlessly nerfs others, makes it very difficult for many people to multibox, AND lays down the framework for microtransactions(not even going into the fact that this essentially makes this eve's first expansion that's NOT free, in a game where one of their selling points has always been not having to pay for expansions), which at this point regardless of what CCP says, are going to end up involving game-changing items (my money's on boosters, maybe a non-timelocked cerebral accelerator) QFT^^
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:46:00 - [101] Does CCP need to spell it out? They don't care what you want. Want to buy a monocle?
Gurgeh Murat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:53:00 - [102] I dont want incarna at the expense of content (woot, a single room). I dont want incarna at the expense of my computer hardware (yay, my fans currently deafening me). I dont want incarna at the expense of bug fixes (there was a capital ship in hisec a few days ago ffs). Fix real issues, then folk wont give a damn about incarna. Or theyll love it. I dont give a damn tbh, but ignoring the game of serious internet spaceships to develop space barbies? Wow, thats awesome, just what we signed up for.
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:57:00 - [103] When did EVE stop being about spaceships --------------------------
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:16:00 - [104] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. yup - to the OP - ** off, and stop presuming to speak for anyone but yourself. agreed, get **ed OP if you don't want incarna,, log off. unsub.
Molokhe	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:46:00 - [105] Originally by: Raz Xym Edited by: Raz Xym on 03/07/2011 18:40:31 Okay let me repeat, how Incarna improves Eve, not WoD. Your original post came across (to me at least) as saying that there was no potential of Incarna to improve Eve. I just provided some throw away ideas. Some things from Eve could help WoD, and vice versa. Originally by: Raz Xym Originally by: Molokhe First, they are creating a new (non-glittery) vampire MMO which will have combat outside of spaceships. There is the opportunity to introduce this combat to Eve. I have no idea if they have any plans to so so, but the potential is there. That is great, they are creating another game. Does nothing for Eve. I don't even no how to respond to the "introduce this combet to eve" thing. You have played eve right? I have, and do play Eve. Again I'm only talking potential, but they could introduce a non-spaceship form of combat to expand Eve. Some players may enjoy this in addition to fighting in spaceships. Originally by: Raz Xym Originally by: Molokhe Next, there is the potential offered to increase the gameplay available to the merchants in the playerbase. I only joined SWG in the final days, but I was impressed with how they allowed the crafters to set up shop. Again, only talking potential. What value would this bring? Eve has one of the best auction/market places already. Why would I want to stand infront of a market stall? I played SWG, I loved SWG, but just because it worked there does not mean it will bring value to Eve. And again, this is a pipe dream. Even one of the best can be improved, otherwise it'd be The Best. Originally by: Raz Xym Originally by: Molokhe Now it could be that they don't develop it to its full potential, but I think you'd have to be pretty dim to think that they would spend this long on a game, have it as their principal revenue source, then gamble it all on making it a dress up game (even if some people would buy a secret account ) I think you could be pretty dim if you think game developers can't lose touch with their game. You mentioned SWG, didnt you? Yes, SWG's developers did lose touch. I'm still not convinced that Eve's have. And firing all their Dev's to hire shoe designers, would still be dim. Originally by: Raz Xym Originally by: Molokhe Myself, I'm looking forward to the WoD MMO, but I'm also hoping that they take some of the features from that game and introduce them to this one. I could be totally wrong, but at least I'm not the idiot saying mine is the only viewpoint, and you must be a loser if you disagree. I am glad you are looking forward to some other game. If there are features WoD, that make sense in Eve, I hope they implement them also. But I stand by what I said. And I never said you couldnt have a different viewpoint. But I do question people who think Incarna is leading Eve in the right direction. I guess I can't do that. Sorry, I must have misread your original post, but apart from implying that if I like Incarna that I was a loser who needs to dress up princesses, the term 'Open Your Eyes' made me think you were telling me that what I was thinking was wrong and I should accept your Truth. If that wasn't your intent, I apologise. Of course you can question whether Incarna is taking Eve down the wrong route. It may well be, but your original post wasn't questioning it, it was telling us it wasn't and we were pretty stupid to believe otherwise.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:49:00 - [106] Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 03/07/2011 21:57:41 Why did EVE stop being about spaceships nice T shirt,,, anyone wanna buy one for 3 billion isk
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:51:00 - [107] Originally by: xxxTRUSTxxx Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 03/07/2011 21:57:41 Why did EVE stop being about spaceships nice T shirt,,, anyone wanna buy one for 3 billion isk Thanks, not a bad bonus for buying the online ticket to watch fanfest eh, i have a female one sitting in my hanger if your intrested. --------------------------
Gogela Freeport Exploration	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:52:00 - [108] Originally by: Julius Mayaki MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM FEED ME YOUR TEARS! YES THEIR DELECIOUS!!!! MMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!! This ^ I like Incarna. It could be cool at some point. His name was John Turbefield!
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:54:00 - [109] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm a core player and I like this expansion, or rather what it will lead to. I also despise your use of the royal "we", get off your high horse you pretentious prick. HABIT
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:56:00 - [110] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm a core player and I like this expansion, or rather what it will lead to. I also despise your use of the royal "we", get off your high horse you pretentious prick. QFT.
Dante Marcellus Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:59:00 - [111] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I'm a core player and I like this expansion, or rather what it will lead to. I also despise your use of the royal "we", get off your high horse you pretentious prick. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.03 23:03:00 - [112] you can say prick but not ***** ???? lmfao
Mujahadeenah Minmatar Gunslingers of Can'-Ka No Rey INC.	Posted - 2011.07.03 23:06:00 - [113] I want Incarna, I just want it without CCP turning into a fascist state. The OP had some great points, but after all is fFixed, properly, and CCP start acting as if they want my $, then Incarna will be great mate!
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.04 00:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Mujahadeenah I want Incarna, I just want it without CCP turning into a fascist state. The OP had some great points, but after all is fFixed, properly, and CCP start acting as if they want my $, then Incarna will be great mate! Because Lord knows, the one thing that's missing is that CCP isn't acting like all they're interested in is $. I like the PL-Noir. bromance, btw. Want to buy a monocle?
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 00:49:00 - [115] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson I like the PL-Noir. bromance, btw. I want their bad bromance.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.04 01:00:00 - [116] Originally by: Zeko Rena Why did EVE stop being about spaceships It hasn't. It's just never been just about spaceships. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Theoer	Posted - 2011.07.04 01:53:00 - [117] Quote: Also an alarming number of suspicious Alts ITT, CCP ALTS perhaps? That ^^ .
Anna Grahm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.04 01:56:00 - [118] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. Speak for yourself jackass. 5 year vet here (posting with my alt ) and I'm enjoying Incarna. Just quit, no one will miss you except your no-name corp. I am NOT an alt!
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 13:50:00 - [119] To everyone who wants incarna: You got it! I hope your happy. Now can ccp go back to eve?
Sleeper 1173 Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.07.06 13:58:00 - [120] I agree with the OP. ------------------------------------------------- Official Forum Posting Alt
Olvel	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. Incarna doesn't add much, that's for sure. I can't say I'm all that amazed with my little in-station apartment... But I do want Incarna. I want the rest of what it promises - the complete experience of walking around inside a station, or in a ship, or on a planet. From the very beginning, CCP has talked about EVE being a complete sci-fi universe. And I've loved that idea since the first day I started playing. Sure, internet spaceships are fun... But I couldn't wait to see how people lived in those stations I was visiting... What the surface of those planets looked like... What the halls of my own ship looked like... I've always wanted the complete EVE experience - not just internet spaceships. And I'm thrilled that we're finally seeing some of it.
Isabelle Evotori	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:23:00 - [122] Yes we DO want incarna. what we don't want is whining little pricks like you
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:30:00 - [123] I love Incarna, I like it so much, that I want to see much more of it. Different CQ, War rooms, public areas for players to meet and trade illegal boosters... I could add a lot of details and much more to this list. Incarna, as it is now is just a platform, the very basic feature that a lot of possible future content depend on. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Frank Torres	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:44:00 - [124] Sometimes people who play the game 365 days a year don't see the improvements. I had to leave in 2007 when they ditched the old client, my computer was so old that I couldn't run the Trinity client. I got a new PC a few months ago and came back to the game and it looks fantastic with lots more to do and a huge amount of ships added, plus Wormholes etc. Then Incarna gets released that adds a whole new dimension to the game, granted it is not much yet but multiplayer is being added later in the year and racial CQ are being added over the next few months. I like this expansion and the potential is huge. I think some players should realize that this game is turning into a more complete Sci-Fi universe and not just about spaceships. I for one welcome it but I understand some players may not. Maybe sometime time in the future we'll get an Archaeology type mission that starts in space flying ships but finishes on some planet, controlling your avatar Mirror's Edge style Yeah I know that type of mission will be years into the future if ever, but the potential is there and I hope the development eventually leads to that style of Universe as long as the complexity of the game remains intact.
Rico Minali Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:48:00 - [125] YOU do not want incarna. I do, so do a great many people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Storm X4	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:50:00 - [126] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. If your graphics card is that crappy, turn off CQ... Nobody is forcing you to play the game with CQ turned on. And your graphics card has insufficient cooling, you may want to get a better cooling unit for it. Must be one of them nvidia grills.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:37:00 - [127] i think we all want incarna, we just don't want to have to use it, it should be a side attraction, like ship spinning or just exploring the universe... no real point, just something to do, maybe have small proffessions in incarna like owning a shop or bar. but nothing important to the core gameplay.
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:44:00 - [128] Edited by: Ana Vyr on 06/07/2011 15:46:45 I must admit that I'm in love with what Incarna COULD be. If it gets rolled out with player owned shops, bars, fleet meeting rooms and so on like they originally said, it would be a fantastic addition to the game. On top of that, if they could figure out how to roll out the true nature of eve in Incarna, we could end up with hand to hand combat, poker, back room drug deals, assasinations, detention rooms...they could do a great deal with it.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:45:00 - [129] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I love Incarna, I like it so much, that I want to see much more of it. Different CQ, War rooms, public areas for players to meet and trade illegal boosters... I could add a lot of details and much more to this list. Incarna, as it is now is just a platform, the very basic feature that a lot of possible future content depend on. I'm glad you "love" incarna. I find it pretty worthless but I know others think like you. What do you like best about the current incarna that you say you love? You are really excited to see your character walking in a different rooms? I don't understand this myself. Why don't you trade your illegal boosters on the market like everyone else? Are you excited to see some sort of animation when you trade them in incarna? I really don't get it.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:48:00 - [130] Originally by: Isabelle Evotori Yes we DO want incarna. what we don't want is whining little pricks like you Originally by: Rico Minali YOU do not want incarna. I do, so do a great many people. What do you guys mean you "want" incarna. You have incarna it was released about a month ago. I hope your happy.
watchYourBehind	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:48:00 - [131] Gib mir das Zelle Drehen, bitte :(
Wolfric Draksmile	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:50:00 - [132] I like Incarna. I think it should be the first step of a new way to play Eve. I think Dust514 and Eve should be the same game where your character could fight in a ship or on the planet.
Madbuster73	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:52:00 - [133] Edited by: Madbuster73 on 06/07/2011 15:52:03 Walking in stations doesnt add anything to the game. after a few minutes you have seen it all and gets boring as hell. go play SIMS if you like to walk around mindless. this game is about Spaceships and Wars and Markets. Walking around is just stupid.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:56:00 - [134] like i said, incarna is cool if optional. but it isnt, current incarna is ok for 10 mins, what it could be will be ok as well, it has more potential then anything i have seen in a long time, but it all hinges on optionality... old station hanger, exit pod button = win.
Claymore Rhade	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:31:00 - [135] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. So let me get this straight. You dont want the backend coding that is gunna let ccp properly update our UI. You dont want wat is going to set up walking in station so that we may play poker adn other games and poke each other in the eyes? You dont want to be able to interact with dust pilots who like it or not will affect us.
Ramma Lamma DingDong	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:36:00 - [136] OP has a turd in his pocket.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:39:00 - [137] Originally by: Herping yourDerp like i said, incarna is cool if optional. but it isnt, current incarna is ok for 10 mins, what it could be will be ok as well, it has more potential then anything i have seen in a long time, ... Its not going to replace dust as a first person shooter so please describe where you see this going? I see more of the same boring stuff we have now. More room backdrops to walk in. More clothes to buy. Transactions that could take place over the market just as easilly. Dialogues that could take place just as easilly without incarna.
Borun Tal Minmatar Just Abide	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:40:00 - [138] Edited by: Borun Tal on 06/07/2011 16:40:27 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. tl;dr "We"?? You speak for all of the subscribed players, or do you claim to speak for the failquitters who failed to quit? You certainly don't speak for me.
Kallynda Nai Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:00:00 - [139] Originally by: jackaloped Originally by: Isabelle Evotori Yes we DO want incarna. what we don't want is whining little pricks like you Originally by: Rico Minali YOU do not want incarna. I do, so do a great many people. What do you guys mean you "want" incarna. You have incarna it was released about a month ago. I hope your happy. This isn't Incarna. This is a horribly implemented, poorly optimized, dated abortion of an attempt at what CCP promised with WIS. I am aware CCP has recently said that they're working on a number of performance issues, but for the love of christ, how this even made it out the door is beyond me.
Scrapyard Attendant Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:04:00 - [140] What happened to everybody whinging about not having it and demanding CCP make it for about 3 years?
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:06:00 - [141] What do you mean its not incarna? Are you walking in a station? Are you able to try on new clothes for your character? Does it not say "incarna" in big letters. Guys this is incarna! Yes it sucks but the whole idea of a game where you strut around wearing virtual clothes sucks. Originally by: Kallynda Nai Originally by: jackaloped Originally by: Isabelle Evotori Yes we DO want incarna. what we don't want is whining little pricks like you Originally by: Rico Minali YOU do not want incarna. I do, so do a great many people. What do you guys mean you "want" incarna. You have incarna it was released about a month ago. I hope your happy. This isn't Incarna. This is a horribly implemented, poorly optimized, dated abortion of an attempt at what CCP promised with WIS. I am aware CCP has recently said that they're working on a number of performance issues, but for the love of christ, how this even made it out the door is beyond me. What do you mean its not incarna? Are you walking in a station? Are you able to try on new clothes for your character? Does it not say "incarna" in big letters. Guys this is incarna! Yes it sucks but the whole idea of a game where you strut around wearing virtual clothes sucks. Waht exactly are wating for? More room back drops to walk in? More virtual clothes to buy?
Ezra Vouland Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:08:00 - [142] What little time I do spend in a station, it is anice little change form the usual over the past 8 years.
Jonathan Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:10:00 - [143] Yes, you do need to spell it out, let me spell it for you: U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E There. That's all CCP pays attention to (they've told us that, repeatedly.) And that's the ONLY way to get Incarna rolled back. Anything else is just delicious golden goose tears. Alex Gianturdo does not speak for me: "I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'." ~ The Mittani
Sathynos Caldari BSX Industries Inver Brass	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:23:00 - [144] I DO want Incarna. But not the crappy little empty room with a sofa. I want player-run economy to grow with ground-based products and services, I want full integration, based on eve principles of maximum freedom and consequences instead of artificial obstacles. I want player-made clothing to be sold on market for ISK instead of nex **ing store. And I want to choose if I want to exit my ship and pod or not. I DO want Incarna, but a better, proper one. The promised one. Current one is *. CCP can do better, it is sad they choose not to. -- "Say yes to pron on Concord billboards*" campaing. Eve mercenaries portal: http://www.eve-mercs.com
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2011.07.06 17:38:00 - [145] Originally by: Zeet A'Dron I am feeling like the main message is lost. Clearly Incarna is an expansion that offers very little to the devout Eve player. The last 6 months have been nothing but nerfs and subtractions. The JB nerfs, the skill changes, agents, other stuff i'm forgetting. Take a look at the indy indicies throughout null sec. There are some big problems snowballing while you siphen off all the cash from Eve. STop trying to invent ways to overheat my PC in the process. Do you want me running two accounts or none? You need to be realistic with yourselves. We all know many many players box, yet you come out with more BS about how you spec to one client. Get back in touch with your player base please. The CSM role was weak at best and I question the purpose for the entire thing: shallow, shallow results. Two weeks ago I had more from the game than I have now. The same goes for a few months ago vs now. Incarna adds nothing the core player really wants. I'm sure lots of fanbois will buy your swamp water but my patience grows thin. You dont speak for me! At all! So please get lost! I want Incarna! And i want it badly! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:00:00 - [146] You consent to Incarna by logging in.
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:02:00 - [147] I want and have always wanted Incarna, it just needs time to grow and some tweaking, give it time ;)
Aerick Tau	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:03:00 - [148] I have a four year old PC that was slightly better than middle-of-the-road when I originally built it. I can still run two copies of Incarna at the same time just fine. Maybe you shouldn't have bought an E-Machine.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:13:00 - [149] Edited by: jackaloped on 06/07/2011 18:14:06 Originally by: Renosha Argaron I want and have always wanted Incarna, it just needs time to grow and some tweaking, give it time ;) What do you mean want it? We have incarna. We can walk in stations now. Log in check it out! We can walk in stations in different pants. We can walk in stations in different shirts. We can walk in stations in different boots. Whats the matter with how we walk in stations that needs to be tweaked? What do you mean grow? You mean you want to watch us walk in different room back drops? You want to watch other avatars walk in different room back drops? How much time do should we give it? Walking in stations is so awesome, my feet hurt just thinking about it. It reminds me of shopping with my wife.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:15:00 - [150] Originally by: jackaloped [ I'm glad you "love" incarna. I find it pretty worthless but I know others think like you. What do you like best about the current incarna that you say you love? You are really excited to see your character walking in a different rooms? I don't understand this myself. Why don't you trade your illegal boosters on the market like everyone else? Are you excited to see some sort of animation when you trade them in incarna? I really don't get it. It improved the looks of my main character (I consider the new character editor a part of Incarna), most of all I love the potential it has. Have you read the devblogs and player suggestions on the past years? Smuggling will be tied into Incarna, players will have to meet face to face if they want to trade illegal goods, the spaceship part will also benefit from this when players keep a lookout for smugglers, while other people smuggle the stuff. Of course you might say this could also be done with a station interface, yet Incarna improves the immersion factor when you have to personally meet someone to trade your illegal boosters with. I also knew from the very beginning that the first version of Incarna would just be a platform to build everything else on and no doubt, much more is coming. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:25:00 - [151] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Originally by: jackaloped ..... Are you excited to see some sort of animation when you trade them in incarna?.... It improved the looks of my main character (I consider the new character editor a part of Incarna), most of all I love the potential it has. Have you read the devblogs and player suggestions on the past years? Smuggling will be tied into Incarna, players will have to meet face to face if they want to trade illegal goods, the spaceship part will also benefit from this when players keep a lookout for smugglers, while other people smuggle the stuff. Of course you might say this could also be done with a station interface, yet Incarna improves the immersion factor when you have to personally meet someone to trade your illegal boosters with. I also knew from the very beginning that the first version of Incarna would just be a platform to build everything else on and no doubt, much more is coming. The characters look a bit better. But other than that all I hear is "yay we will trade illegal boosters face to face." As you can see I already mentioned this. I assume we will no longer be able to buy them on the market and buying them will be a bit more of an ordeal, but I am not thrilled about that.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:36:00 - [152] I have always wanted wis and I have to say, given the option between the old hanger and my new flat Ill take my flat.
Frank Torres	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:45:00 - [153] To be honest I don't know why people keep on moaning about it. Incarna is here, it is an important feature for EVE's future and I can't see CCP suddenly just dropping it. Some people cannot see the potential it has or more probably, don't want to see it, all they go on about is dressing up Barbie dolls which is complete crap. I'd sooner have the start of another dimension to the game like this than another 100 ships made available. But that's just me, each to their own.
D'wayne	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:05:00 - [154] Can't be bothered to read through pages and pages of stuff. But the performance argument gets on my nerves a bit. If you've played PC games for any length of time, you gotta be used to upgrading your hardware every once in a while. If Eve is gonna be around for a while then its base system requirements will inevitably be raised when a graphical update comes along. They could make Incarna optional, but they want everyone to use it, so why not just force it now rather than later? New PC components are also a fair bit cheaper than they were a few years back. My HD6950 (ú200) P67 motherboard (ú80) and Sandy Bridge Core i5 (ú150) is enough to run two clients in CQ, with full detail on and anti aliasing. An even cheaper system will be fine if you only have one client or just turn the detail down. Just a graphics card upgrade should be enough. Oh and a few other games are coming out this Christmas which are worth having an upgraded system for too.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:25:00 - [155] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zeet A'Dron Do we I need to spell it out: We I don't want Incarna Fixed. This Originally by: Ayieka there should be a vote every time someone is about to use 'we' on the forum. because they are usually using it without our consent. This Originally by: Vastek Non By 'we' you mean 'I'. Don't ever presume to tell me what I do or don't like. This Originally by: Malcanis I'd be delighted to see Incarna living up to it's potential. And most definately this! Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
General Windypops The Littlest Hobos En Garde	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:26:00 - [156] Dear OP. I want Incarna. TYVM. CSM 6: Let's get Windypops indypops.
Borun Tal Minmatar Just Abide	Posted - 2011.07.06 20:03:00 - [157] Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson Yes, you do need to spell it out, let me spell it for you: U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E There. That's all CCP pays attention to (they've told us that, repeatedly.) And that's the ONLY way to get Incarna rolled back. Anything else is just delicious golden goose tears. I thought they tried that already? The phrase you're looking for it "failquitters that failed to quit".
Puss in Boots	Posted - 2011.07.06 20:07:00 - [158] What's with this we stuff?

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