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Commander TGK Gallente The Deep Space Armada	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:02:00 - [1] I have my Proteus subsystems skills all to level 5. My other skills are all mostly 5 as well, yet I still seem to struggle getting it setup with a fit that can handle even moderate tanking while still doing a fair amount of damage. Have any of you had a better time with this bird? How about a nice solo C2 WH setup or a level 4 mission runner. They say this ship is the worst t3, prove them wrong, PLEASE.
Wedding Peach	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:22:00 - [2] PVE wise, I heard the Proteus is easily the worst. PVP, however... -------------------------------------------------- I am the Love Angel, Wedding Peach, and I am very displeased by your lack of love!
Commander TGK Gallente The Deep Space Armada	Posted - 2011.07.03 23:31:00 - [3] I know in pvp the proteus is nothing to be scoffed at, but damn, for being a T3 ship it sure should have at least some flexibility to be deployed in wormholes. Damn crappy hybrids draining the cap...
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.07.04 02:00:00 - [4] Being locked into a damage type, having incredibly short range and being ridiciously slow hampers the Proteus. Once you pick a fight, you can't really hope to ever get out. Of course, eventually somebody will show up in this thread with their A BILLION DPS CLOAKY PROTEUS THAT COULD SOLO JESUS. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Thomas Orca Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.04 03:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Patient 2428190 Being locked into a damage type, having incredibly short range and being ridiciously slow hampers the Proteus. Once you pick a fight, you can't really hope to ever get out. Of course, eventually somebody will show up in this thread with their A BILLION DPS CLOAKY PROTEUS THAT COULD SOLO JESUS. *Billion DPS cloaky Proteus that has 200k EHP and could solo Jesus
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.04 03:55:00 - [6] well dunno if my fit will be of any use but i solo T2 with it with ease. Haven;t tried lvl4 though, stuck in low sec exploration :) [Proteus, New Setup 1 copy 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Garde II x4 Curator II x4 Warrior II x5 Pure pve ofc, also i might consider installing a cap booster to support 2nd rep (as all normal people do), as it is not always required. Too lazy for that atm. 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.07.04 04:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Commander TGK They say this ship is the worst t3, prove them wrong, PLEASE. They also say that about the Legion, I'd not give too much about forum opinions really. That said, it isnt particularly well suited for wormhole pve, incursions is where it is at home.
Commander TGK Gallente The Deep Space Armada	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Patient 2428190 Of course, eventually somebody will show up in this thread with their A BILLION DPS CLOAKY PROTEUS THAT COULD SOLO JESUS. HA I lol'd
Precisionist	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Commander TGK Originally by: Patient 2428190 Of course, eventually somebody will show up in this thread with their A BILLION DPS CLOAKY PROTEUS THAT COULD SOLO JESUS. HA I lol'd Proteus 1vs1 I say is better than other t3's if it can get in range and if it does use drones, they dont get smoked before reaching the target. I think the proteus is a awesome cloaky ganker though, capable of having a med neut, 5 neutrons 1-2 dmg mods, and a fairly decent active A-type tank+ cap booster and a ts warp scramb. Problem still its speed if u get caught you are fubared.
Ded Moroz Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Akuma Tsukai well dunno if my fit will be of any use but i solo T2 with it with ease. Haven;t tried lvl4 though, stuck in low sec exploration :) [Proteus, New Setup 1 copy 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Garde II x4 Curator II x4 Warrior II x5 Pure pve ofc, also i might consider installing a cap booster to support 2nd rep (as all normal people do), as it is not always required. Too lazy for that atm. 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. What does this do that an Ishtar can't at a much cheaper price?
Xiozor Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Akuma Tsukai well dunno if my fit will be of any use but i solo T2 with it with ease. Haven;t tried lvl4 though, stuck in low sec exploration :) [Proteus, New Setup 1 copy 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Garde II x4 Curator II x4 Warrior II x5 Pure pve ofc, also i might consider installing a cap booster to support 2nd rep (as all normal people do), as it is not always required. Too lazy for that atm. 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. Well done, you have created a 600m Myrmidon with gimped damage and tank that can cloak. ----------------------------------------------- Mr.Kippling just launched a nuclear holocaust at third world countries! ... But he does make exceedingly good cakes.
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.05 04:01:00 - [12] Link Ishtar and myrm fits then. Lets see how much they cost and fare. Conditions are same, all in one exploration ship. This ship costs 550m to be precise, with the fit. payed off long ago. Oh and before ull start failing, dont link mwd nano ishtar, that doesnt work for half of exploration plexes. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Fulmar Muse Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.05 04:36:00 - [13] no **, i once tanked one in my ibis.. granted was kiting the **er, but nonetheless I did... and got the loot b4 he had to warp out because of GC Otherwise, it has long point/scram, high dps (once in range), huge tank potential and they always make u sqirm wen u see them land on grid.. Remember, you can always get into another gal ship.. ishtar, ishkur, omi etc.. all of their classes have at least some decent ship, despite the sahittyness of hybrid "Keep on doin what you doin, do it gud.. " Super fly]
Robert Lefcourt	Posted - 2011.07.05 06:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Robert Lefcourt on 05/07/2011 06:45:40 Originally by: Akuma Tsukai 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. Well. There we got the problem. Those are Values that can be reached by an Ishtar. Price about 150M fully fitted. [Ishtar, shield] 3x 125mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge S) 3x Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 5x Shield Power Relay II 2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 5x Ogre II 714 Omnitank, 513 dps with my skills (not all 5)
Cuircuir Moustache Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Robert Lefcourt Edited by: Robert Lefcourt on 05/07/2011 06:45:40 Originally by: Akuma Tsukai 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. Well. There we got the problem. Those are Values that can be reached by an Ishtar. Price about 150M fully fitted. [Ishtar, shield] 3x 125mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge S) 3x Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 5x Shield Power Relay II 2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 5x Ogre II 714 Omnitank, 513 dps with my skills (not all 5) Nice trolling. Heavy drones do 0 dps for the long time they travel to target. And they struggle to hit a BC.
LeF Andropov	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Cuircuir Moustache Originally by: Robert Lefcourt Edited by: Robert Lefcourt on 05/07/2011 06:45:40 Originally by: Akuma Tsukai 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. Well. There we got the problem. Those are Values that can be reached by an Ishtar. Price about 150M fully fitted. [Ishtar, shield] 3x 125mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge S) 3x Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 5x Shield Power Relay II 2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 5x Ogre II 714 Omnitank, 513 dps with my skills (not all 5) Nice trolling. Heavy drones do 0 dps for the long time they travel to target. And they struggle to hit a BC. # Well, the Ishtar has room for both heavys AND sentrys. And btw. heavys got no problems hitting BCs
Ellariona	Posted - 2011.07.05 14:06:00 - [17] Edited by: Ellariona on 05/07/2011 14:12:34 Edited by: Ellariona on 05/07/2011 14:10:46 So the problem now is that the proteus isn't (that much) better than an ishtar/myrmidon, which is a lot cheaper, for pve there isn't that much of a difference in the non-dps/tank stats (with my skills, i have the following): ECM-able? -- ishtar: 15 magnetometric str. -- proteus: 15,17,17 or 30* magnetometric str. (diff subs) Targeting Range? (raw) -- ishtar: 75km -- proteus: 75, 75, 81.35 or 105km* Locking speed? (light drone) -- ishtar: 7,1s -- proteus: 7.7s, 7.7s, 8.5s* or 9.3s (different subs) Cargo? -- Ishtar: 460m¦ -- Proteus: 300m¦ Raw speed? -- Ishtar: 226m/s -- Proteus: 213m/s Sig radius? -- Ishtar: 145m/s -- Proteus: 160m/s For me, the Ishtar would be THE choice for pve (we are talking droneboats/gun+drone-hybrid here?) After dps and tank, more cargo & less time (a trivial difference, but still) spent targeting new spawn are by far the most important factors in profitable pve. Secondly, targeting range is also important but both ships have 75km base range with decent (+AB/MWD) speed and use a hybrid of guns and drones so it doesn't rly matter much in this case. Even if your targeting range was 105km with proteus (+drone range mod), your drones would have to fly too far and you would be wasting time. Thirdly, a lower sig radius with the ishtar and a little bit more speed also improves your chances vs a big group of BCs or BSs. And the difference in price motivates all gallente pve pilots to NOT train for a proteus. PVP, however... double edit :p --> PS: IF YOU LOSE AN ISHTAR, GOING AFK WHILE DRONES DO THE WORK, YOU DON'T LOSE SKILLPOINTS :)
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.05 15:27:00 - [18] Good fit, but runs OOM in 5 minutes with all 5 char. Some cap balance pls :) Still the idea is good and as long as u are nor doing blood plexes i can confirm passive ishtar is the way to go. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Shab T'shet	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:13:00 - [19] The proteus certainly isn't THE BEST pve boat out there. But it's still pretty good. This fit runs lvl4s much faster then my Domi/Rattler and is much more involved (much less time to pay attention to my mining alt) so it's more fun for me. It's worst against Angels as it can only hit 85% explosive resist but even then you won't have problems, against other enemies you can get the primary dmg type to 97%. Missions with multiple enemy/dmg will give you trouble so you have to pay attention. Your main concern is taking out the webbing rats, which is pretty easy - your blasters can pretty much hit everything once webbed. Flight of Medium and Light drones to suit whatever situation you face. The repper reps about 15% of armor. Having to be within 10km of your target is the only downfall, but you hit 1.5km/s with MWD on it really doesn't take you any time to move between targets. I eft dps at 600, which can be improved by upgrading to faction MFS if you're feeling rich. The fit is pretty cheap the repper is the only module that will cost you some money but even then it's worth the price tag. I EFT'd this at work... i'm fairly certain it's the same fit I use currently... [Proteus, PVE] Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Cap Recharger II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Cap Recharger II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Hammerhead II x5
Kastsumi Kobayariel	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:34:00 - [20] For gang pvp at various scales if you run an armor based fleet the Proteus will make a sturdier long range tackle ship than the gallente recons. Its number one flaw in that configuration is that its capacitor doesn't last really long if you also intend to provide DPS via railguns (talking medium to large scale combat) but then again it's nothing that some proper cap management can't fix.
eek amouse	Posted - 2011.07.05 20:44:00 - [21] for small armor based gangs in low sec, i've seen the proteus work pretty well. i'd rather be flying my webby loki, though.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.07.05 21:08:00 - [22] Its great faction point platform, you can fit it to have bonused scram, disruptor, 300k+ ehp with great resists and decent dps. Works great in armor t3 gangs. Its also perfect facemelter, it can have 950dps/250k ehp or 500dps/500k ehp. Maybe more with high end eanms + hardeners and proper boosting. Also has arguably best cloak subsystem /i wish stupid legion cloak sub had damage bonus, and drone sub too.../ and its cloaky version has most utility of all t3s.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.05 23:00:00 - [23] Edited by: Tippia on 05/07/2011 23:00:36 For PvE purposes, the Proteus is faced with three main problems: If you fit it with rails it isà wellà fitted with medium rails. This means it's horrid for killing things at any reasonable pace. If you fit it with blasters, you will spend an awful lot of time going from ship to ship, which makes it still pretty bad at killing things at a reasonable pace. If you set it up for drones, it becomes a dolled-up Ishtar that can't fit or field as many drones as the Ishtar canà which makes it less than optimal for killing things at a reasonable pace. àand while it could conceivably fit a better armour tank than the Ishtar, the latter is far more versatile in its tanking options and already tanks pretty much anything already so there's no need for better tanking ability to begin with. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
JackStraw56	Posted - 2011.07.06 00:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Commander TGK They say this ship is the worst t3, prove them wrong, PLEASE. They also say that about the Legion, I'd not give too much about forum opinions really. That said, it isnt particularly well suited for wormhole pve, incursions is where it is at home. No, please stop bringing them to incursions. No one wants medium blasters.
Ezee Monee	Posted - 2011.07.06 00:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Akuma Tsukai Good fit, but runs OOM in 5 minutes with all 5 char. Some cap balance pls :) Still the idea is good and as long as u are nor doing blood plexes i can confirm passive ishtar is the way to go. Did you seriously just say OOM!? I mean, even jest...um, er...yeah.
Cyrus Schaumann	Posted - 2011.07.06 06:17:00 - [26] If you really want to do lvl 4 pve with Proteus, the only relatively reasonable fit is along these lines: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/49364-Pimpin-L4-1100-DPS-Proteus.html Yes, you have to travel from target to target. But no, its not as bad as the replies on that loadout make it seem. I personally have replaced one magstab with tracking enhancer, seems to work pretty well. Level 4 missions are no issue with this fit and it definitely is faster with them than my sentry domi. Not to mention it's a lot more fun to fly.
Puss in Boots	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Cuircuir Moustache Originally by: Robert Lefcourt Edited by: Robert Lefcourt on 05/07/2011 06:45:40 Originally by: Akuma Tsukai 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. Well. There we got the problem. Those are Values that can be reached by an Ishtar. Price about 150M fully fitted. [Ishtar, shield] 3x 125mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge S) 3x Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 5x Shield Power Relay II 2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 5x Ogre II 714 Omnitank, 513 dps with my skills (not all 5) Nice trolling. Heavy drones do 0 dps for the long time they travel to target. And they struggle to hit a BC. I suppose if you have 20k sp in drone skills. Stop posting... adults are talking.
Sonya Kranz	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:27:00 - [28] Edited by: Sonya Kranz on 06/07/2011 14:28:20 Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 05/07/2011 23:00:36 For PvE purposes, the Proteus is faced with three main problems: If you fit it with rails it isà wellà fitted with medium rails. This means it's horrid for killing things at any reasonable pace. If you fit it with blasters, you will spend an awful lot of time going from ship to ship, which makes it still pretty bad at killing things at a reasonable pace. If you set it up for drones, it becomes a dolled-up Ishtar that can't fit or field as many drones as the Ishtar canà which makes it less than optimal for killing things at a reasonable pace. àand while it could conceivably fit a better armour tank than the Ishtar, the latter is far more versatile in its tanking options and already tanks pretty much anything already so there's no need for better tanking ability to begin with. +1 What many ppl seem to forget is that even though a proteus works in pve, i mean it doesnt automatically self destruct when you use it for any form of PvE or so. Its not efficient in any way though, even if we only look at gallente ships. If you start comparing with other races... hah.
Cataca	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Cuircuir Moustache Originally by: Robert Lefcourt Edited by: Robert Lefcourt on 05/07/2011 06:45:40 Originally by: Akuma Tsukai 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. Well. There we got the problem. Those are Values that can be reached by an Ishtar. Price about 150M fully fitted. [Ishtar, shield] 3x 125mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge S) 3x Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 5x Shield Power Relay II 2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 5x Ogre II 714 Omnitank, 513 dps with my skills (not all 5) Nice trolling. Heavy drones do 0 dps for the long time they travel to target. And they struggle to hit a BC. Have you ever used drones? I agree with the traveling, it takes some time, but they dont struggle to hit anything but frigs.
Xenuria Gallente euphoria squadron	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Ded Moroz Originally by: Akuma Tsukai well dunno if my fit will be of any use but i solo T2 with it with ease. Haven;t tried lvl4 though, stuck in low sec exploration :) [Proteus, New Setup 1 copy 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Garde II x4 Curator II x4 Warrior II x5 Pure pve ofc, also i might consider installing a cap booster to support 2nd rep (as all normal people do), as it is not always required. Too lazy for that atm. 497 omnitank, 523 theoretical dps. What does this do that an Ishtar can't at a much cheaper price? It can tank without moving. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"

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