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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Cosmic Templar
we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively.
But that's just it: you don't need to match him, because there are more of you than of him. 10× 5M SP will make absolute mince-meat out of 1× 50M SP. In fact, 5× 5M will make mince-meat out of him.
This is not you standard class/level-based MMO, where being a "higher level" makes you immune to weaker characters. Quite the opposite: it doesn't take long to reach a point where, no matter how much more SP you acquire, you do not become any stronger or any more resistant to attacks.
Take advantage of this and just nuke the sucker.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Merchentson
10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him.
10 vs 1 they should be able to beat him, regardles of skillpoints involved. All they need is a little organisation and the will to fight.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:15:00 -
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Asuming you are able to fly drakes and blackbirds:
You need to get him to fight under your conditions and prevent him from running.
Setup a drake (Torp Raven would work too) as bait, heavy tanked and sitting at a gate with scrams. Like usual the offensive pilot doesnt expect anything from a carebear target and will go for a bump.
That the moment where you scram him (if he is aggressed). Now that you have him grabbed by the balls, jump in two Blackbirds with a pure minmatar jam setup followed my additional heavy DPS and if possible, something that can neut the crack out of him if he is actively tanked.
Thats one way how to kill him.
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: OverlordY on 04/07/2011 14:16:26
Quit eve, and tell CCP why in the comment box when u do. Its the only way things like this will change.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:16:00 -
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I would give roughly the same advice as the guys above. Either hide for a week (they do get bored, even if they claim they will never stop hunting you - I've only ever had one corporation ever claim that about Mixed Metaphor and they gave up after two weeks) or get into cheap ships. Usually these guys will only have to lose a couple of expensive ships before they decide they'll move onto an easier target.
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ninjaholic
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Merchentson
10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him.
Either way there'll be a story in C&P or there'll be a industrial lolmail on Battleclinic.
+ Support EVE's own IN-GAME fight record tool!
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm
Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:21:00 -
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They have no chance whatsoever and feeding war targets ships is fuelling the tears.
At least just tell them so and don't give them bad advice you sly hags. 
Unless, as I suspect, some of you idiots really believe 5 newbs with no skills can somehow win a war against a high sec griefer outfit. In which case, you really all need to go back to 2003 and stay there. 
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:24:00
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:22:59
This is pretty much how Eve works. So, you need to learn to deal with it. Not knowing anything about the people who dec'ed you I'll give you some general stuff you can do.
Learn to PVP. It's already been mentioned. Might want to find someone experienced willing to whip you guys into shape.
If these guys are sticking to particular regions of space and not really coming out to find you then don't go there. Definitely don't go there individually. If in a group fly/fit ships ready for pvp. You don't want to fight people on their home turf. You want to fight them away from their resources (other ships).
Avoid them. If they're coming to you then it might be worth while for you guys to scatter if you don't plan on fighting them.
Set their corp red in your corp standings. Keep local open and visible. When you see them come into the system leave or dock.
Highsec wars, imo, are nothing more than big wastes of time that turn into docking games. You're either waiting hours for a chance encounter or they are. Rarely have I been dec'd that there were fleet fights. Fleet fights are usually low/null/w-space. Me living in w-space makes it easy to bore hisec wardec'ers to death by just not being in hisec.
Gather intel on them. Research killboards for activities which might indicate where they're based out of and where they're operating mostly. It'll also allow you to gather player names who belong to the corp. Use, frequently, locator agents to find them.
Research contract histories to identify their alts. Then you can use alts of your own to follow them, especially indies and/or freighters to try and locate any POS's they have in hisec. Chances are, they don't have any hisec POS's though. Then again, maybe. At that point you can hire mercs to take down their assets.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said,our players have no interest in taking part[1], and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle[2]. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.
[1] Don't try to protect corp members who don't want to protect themselves.
[2] This is a common misconception. There are very few skills you need to train specifically to be capable at PvP. Basic scrams and webs, and minor Ewar is all that is "Required" and thats a couple of days training. max.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Holy One
Unless, as I suspect, some of you idiots really believe 5 newbs with no skills can somehow win a war against a high sec griefer outfit.
Of course they can win. I encourage them to try, they might like it! Remember, it's just a game and T1 cruisers are cheap.
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Chandler Estidal
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:25:00 -
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I'm engaged in a solo war dec right now on a pretty large carebear alliance. It is a TON of fun.
My advice? Leave your little carebear corp, get some PvP experience, and try it yourself.
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MNagy
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:31:00 -
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Or join an alliance.
He war dec's you - he war dec's the tonne of you.
To me - the war dec is not broken. E.V.E. (Everyone Vs Everyone)
You will see - losing a ship here and there is what makes eve fun.
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm
Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:33:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:24:00
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:22:59
This is pretty much how Eve works. So, you need to learn to deal with it. Not knowing anything about the people who dec'ed you I'll give you some general stuff you can do.
Learn to PVP. It's already been mentioned. Might want to find someone experienced willing to whip you guys into shape.
If these guys are sticking to particular regions of space and not really coming out to find you then don't go there. Definitely don't go there individually. If in a group fly/fit ships ready for pvp. You don't want to fight people on their home turf. You want to fight them away from their resources (other ships).
Avoid them. If they're coming to you then it might be worth while for you guys to scatter if you don't plan on fighting them.
Set their corp red in your corp standings. Keep local open and visible. When you see them come into the system leave or dock.
Highsec wars, imo, are nothing more than big wastes of time that turn into docking games. You're either waiting hours for a chance encounter or they are. Rarely have I been dec'd that there were fleet fights. Fleet fights are usually low/null/w-space. Me living in w-space makes it easy to bore hisec wardec'ers to death by just not being in hisec.
Gather intel on them. Research killboards for activities which might indicate where they're based out of and where they're operating mostly. It'll also allow you to gather player names who belong to the corp. Use, frequently, locator agents to find them.
Research contract histories to identify their alts. Then you can use alts of your own to follow them, especially indies and/or freighters to try and locate any POS's they have in hisec. Chances are, they don't have any hisec POS's though. Then again, maybe. At that point you can hire mercs to take down their assets.
You are kinda missing the point, albeit it with excellent advice.
They don't want to play EvE. They want to play WoW in Space. They want to do that in a 100% safe environment that does not require them to interact with or be hassled by anyone else. Just repetitive action and shinnies. They are the cancer of this game that needs to be rooted out and griefed in to quitting at every opportunity. 
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Gexor
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:34:00 -
[44]
Message me in game with the guy's name.
I might be able to help you.
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Cosmic Templar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:47:00 -
[45]
Thanks for all the people who replied with some non-troll info. If this situation were entirely conducive to exacting revenge from all our members on this player, then that would be the most gratifying option. Currently some of them are disinterested, and the handful we have who are interested, are too few in number with just our own corp resources, to be able to take down an exp. PVP pilot. Again thanks for all the replies, and yes I do look forward to expanding our enjoyment of this game, when we send him screenshots of his floating corpse.
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Sir Hillary
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:47:00 -
[46]
I see 2 options in these situations. Either fit up a bunch of cheap frigs (even with "no PvP skills" you should be able to fit a t1 Frig with basic tackle and tank) and just dive in. With insurance you'll maybe be risking half a million each undock, so don't need to fuss about losses, you get some experience. Go in expecting to loose ships, and see what you can do to the guy. As long as you treat it as a bit of change of pace for a week rather than serious business, you should have some fun.
Either that, or go do something else. Start another toon, play another game, go outside, whatever. Take a week off, and don't give him anything to shoot at.
Whatever you do, don't run missions. He's deccing you to get at any shiny mission ships you may have. Don't give them to him.
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:55:00 -
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Okay number of options
Fight, I call BS you can't kill him. Tank a battle ship as much as you can , wait for him to engadge..warp disrupt him with the bait ship(he has to be in range or you could just warp out)
Warp in a couple of cruisers and orbit him @ 10km with afterburners. Cruisers fit warp disruptors.
Anything else to bring DPS on to him. Great if you can web him and keep your dps ships out side 20km so you can warp away if you take heavy dmg.
Small ships orbit faster than his guns can track. Use this. Use a cruiser or frigate and pick off his drones. A well flown rifter could takle this guy.
Second option is dock up. If you don't give fights he will un wardec you because your borring.
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Mary Astell
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:56:00 -
[48]
1 ship? ECM. Sorted.
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Cosmic Templar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:58:00 -
[49]
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?
Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.
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Nuela
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:58:00 -
[50]
Originally by: ACY GTMI
Running missions while war decced is not a good idea. Anyone can use a locator agent and find out what systems and stations you use. All they have to do then is wait.
Not to mention, one of your 10 members is probably his alt.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:59:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 04/07/2011 15:00:39
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.
Your boys are mission runners and therefore have money, hire mercs.
Also, to the people saying fight, OP stated they don't want to fight.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.04 14:59:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Thanks for all the people who replied with some non-troll info. If this situation were entirely conducive to exacting revenge from all our members on this player, then that would be the most gratifying option. Currently some of them are disinterested, and the handful we have who are interested, are too few in number with just our own corp resources, to be able to take down an exp. PVP pilot. Again thanks for all the replies, and yes I do look forward to expanding our enjoyment of this game, when we send him screenshots of his floating corpse.
Nah, this doesn't add up at all. Disinterested? Really? Then let them enjoy getting owned. Basically if you all can fly a Blackbird then this guy won't get kills. If your corp is made up of such "casual" players that they can't be bothered to fit up a blackbird and go jam the crap out of someone who is killing you guys then just close the corp. Sorry, but that's the best advice your going to get. Seriously anyone who can fly a frigate of some type can contribute in PVP. Sounds like you don't even have carebears in your corp, just leeches. 4 guys tops could drop this fool pretty much anytime he was dumb enough to engage. 2 blackbirds and 2 dps ships with drones to clean his out. Of course that assumes you have the desire and will to go do it. None of which sounds like your corp. If I were you I would close down the corp, as this series of posts just makes you a target for the next high sec grief corp looking for an easy target that won't fight back. Sad.
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Cregg Neir
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:00:00 -
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Join an alliance that will offer you some protection.
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Mukutep
Dragonfly Solutions
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:02:00 -
[54]
Just have everyone leave your corp and join NPC corps for the war duration. You can even create a new chat channel and have them all join it so you can all stay in touch. When the war is over because they guy gets no/few kills, have everyone come back.
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Nix Gravity
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:05:00 -
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I do not mean to discourage you in saying this, as I hope you will continue playing and one day give me an opportunity to take advantage of you for my Eve entertainment, but if you cannot handle a 1-ship wardec, you are not ready to be your own corp. There is no shame in that. Mission in NPC corps for a while, or join a large newbie-friendly corp to live under their protection, learn the game, and then some day open your own corporation.
You are currently getting some important lessons:
I - Watch local. This will serve you well in whatever you do, unless you go into wormhole content.
II - As Conan put it best: a man alone is nothing. Yes, if you use your inflatable pseudo-guns with no damage bonuses, he will rain down upon you, crushing your ships like ants. Learn to take advantage of numbers: use ecm, neuts, remote repair, all those wonderful things that your attacker cannot do.
III - Make some friends. Hire some mercenaries, if you can't afford to pay them to destroy your attacker for you, ask them about teaching you guys how to fight back. I suspect most would do it very cheaply, or possibly for free.
IV - Eve is PvP. You might think that you can just mission in your own private little world, but can flippers, ninja salvagers, and even cunning traders are ripping you off, even if you don't notice it. You will need to learn to play with others or around others.
This is actually a great experience for you, you just need to open your eyes and realise it.
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 15:08:04
Put those tech I bpc's to the oven.
Start spewing tech I, frigs, cruisers and bships.
Do a research about fittings and e war.
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Cosmic Templar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:11:00 -
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Three things.
1) We are not closing up shop.
2) This is ultimately a perfect opportunity to get some PVP exp. as mentioned above.
3)It will be more satisfying to get HELP so that WE can kill this player, rather than pay someone else to do it.
Points taken.
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K'iran
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: K''iran on 04/07/2011 15:11:38
New insight seems to suggest that the OP can't be bothered to put in effort, even to a point where others have to contact HIM (and do it for free). Stick to NPC corps and certainly don't LEAD any corps. Or, dare I say it, go elsewhere.
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Talyn Ambraelle
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:11:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Vain Eldritch
Failing that, hire mercinaries to hunt him down.
I highly recommend the Moar Tears alliance. Give Cosmo Raata from the T-Cells a call to get their rates. Those guys have killed more people than cancer.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ranka Mei on 04/07/2011 15:13:17
Originally by: DeBingJos
In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him.
That's what we did against a 1-man corp that decced us when we still resided in highsec. At first we lost a few ships; then we got organized, and hunted became the hunters. Jumped him with 15 or so ships several times. First time he got away, second time he lost an expensive ship; third time as well; next he mumbled something in local about not giving up because of losing his 500 mil payout (obvious troll for us to pay him off); next CEO gave him the finger; and the next day Concord declared the war invalid (= read: bum quit).
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