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Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:32:00 - [1] I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players.
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:34:00 - [2] 1/10 Troll In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him.
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:37:00 - [3] 1. Gank him as above 2. Jump clones 3. Move out to lowsec or 0.0 for a bit 4. Add him to contacts, dock up if he's in system etc, etc.
Vain Eldritch Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:39:00 - [4] Failing that, hire mercinaries to hunt him down. ______________________________ Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:39:00 - [5] Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:41:00 - [6] Welcome to EvE. Hope you enjoyed the extended trial. Go back to WoW etc. PS: Contract me all your stuff first plz BBQ makes me hungry for more...
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:42:00 - [7] Running missions while war decced is not a good idea. Anyone can use a locator agent and find out what systems and stations you use. All they have to do then is wait. *************************************************** This space available.
Electra GaafCramo	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Holy One Welcome to EvE. Hope you enjoyed the extended trial. Go back to WoW etc. PS: Contract me all your stuff first plz lolnot
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:43:00 - [9] Don't get me wrong. I'd love to gank him, but seeing as how all our players are relatively new, and or play casually, we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively. For some people games are for fun, for others^^^ they become a lifestyle choice.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Don't get me wrong. I'd love to gank him, but seeing as how all our players are relatively new, and or play casually, we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively. For some people games are for fun, for others^^^ they become a lifestyle choice. What about your Sister Corp., Raptor Navy, which is currently offering European Timezone players who are looking to be part of an emerging low-sec alliance, an opportunity to groom their skills and prepare themselves for all things that low-sec space has to offer? BBQ makes me hungry for more...

K'iran	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:45:00 - [11] 1- learn PVP, you don't have to become fantastic at it but a basic idea of what you're doing isn't very difficult, and helps you further down the road as well. So, stop flying big ships, start reading guides and ask questions. See this week (or perhaps 2 weeks) as a welcomed learning experience 2- leave the corp and stay in NPC for now 3- pay people to fight for you, but as it's a one man corp serious mercs will probably decline, and if they don't you can assume they're not serious 4- contact the guy and broker a deal 5 keep on dying I'd opt for #1, it's not very difficult to shut down a single opponent if you have a bunch of PVE pilots. It's not about winning the war, it's about learning to stand your ground and be prepared. If you need more help send me a mail.
Siri Buelle Gallente Section 8 Corp	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Holy One Welcome to EvE. Hope you enjoyed the extended trial. Go back to WoW etc. PS: Contract me all your stuff first plz grow up
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Don't get me wrong. I'd love to gank him, but seeing as how all our players are relatively new, and or play casually, we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively. For some people games are for fun, for others^^^ they become a lifestyle choice.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:46:00 - [14] A bit of a rift there at present I'm afraid, not to mention convincing them to come back to high-sec for empire wars has gotten the response "you guys can handle it." If only....
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:46:00 - [15] We have had this problem a number of times. Usually it is an older player who is bored and has a thick wad of cash. After a period where we tried to catch him we found out that the guy only wanted to fight on his terms and logged or docked when the odds were against him. Eventually we hired mercs who had serious difficulty in catching him but managed to pod him eventually. In the end we challenged him for a 1 vs 1 duel after which he left us alone and went after other people. So 1) do not get annoyed 2) try to kill him yourself preferably using cheap ships like cruisers (you might enjoy this even) 3) hire mercs 4) challenge him to a duel 5) ignore him and play WoW for a week. 6) join an alliance 7) make an alt corp with your corp's name appended with industry or navy or whatever and skip back and forth
Thor Funaila	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:48:00 - [16] Cosmic, shoot me a message in-game with details on this guy, area of operation, killmails, etc. and I'll see what I can do.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Don't get me wrong. I'd love to gank him, but seeing as how all our players are relatively new, and or play casually, we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively. For some people games are for fun, for others^^^ they become a lifestyle choice. It takes a week or so to get into a Griffin with basic ECM skills. If you can't blow him up you can certainly perma-jam him with 4 people. That should cause some smack in local
Antario T'nar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:49:00 - [18] he's a single target....neut him, jam him, tackle him, kill him and just for our info...what 'wide array of ships' is he using?
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:49:00 - [19] djenghis jan: Thanks for your reply. And it is the case, that this is an older account whos obviously grown bored with other pursuits. No more WOW references though. WOW is lame. I've had too many arguments with good gamer friends of mine who are convinced the opposite is true.
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Don't get me wrong. I'd love to gank him, but seeing as how all our players are relatively new, and or play casually, we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively. For some people games are for fun, for others^^^ they become a lifestyle choice. A lone Mach is a nice target, you need to adapt to the situation. Use EWAR: Racial ECM and tracking disruptors.

Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:51:00 - [21] @Antario Thus far, I've seen a Machariel, Cynabal, Broadsword, and a Tengu. That's in the last week just doing spying.
Illwill Bill For a fistful of Veldspar	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:55:00 - [22] Buy ten Drakes. Gank deccer. Enjoy delicious tears. I've decced mission corps on occation. It's always dissapointing when noone fights back. FREE HELICITY
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:58:00 - [23] Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 04/07/2011 14:00:45 Get all your guys online NOW Corps are NOT guilds, you can mission in an NPC corp if you want. EVE is PVP, period. Stop being worried about losing your ships, get everyone into drakes or similar, fit warp disruptors, and kill him. It's not hard, it just requires that you try. Make sure you ALL have warp disruptors and as many as make sense have warp scramblers. Neut him ECM him Demand Ransom Pod him. Originally by: CCP Soundwave I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.
Cooper Anderson Stewart Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.04 13:59:00 - [24] Yep, not the best way to keep new players in EVE. Worst part is, even if you pay ransom and do the honorable thomg, CCP allows them to kill you for 24 hours EVEN AFTER the wardec is cancelled. This is equivalent to griefing, as its Non consentual pvp in highsec. Everyone knows about it and until ccp fixes the broken wardec mechanics, your only recourse is to stay in an npc corp where they cant grief you. Tl;dr shi tty pvp players who cant handle low or null sec prey on unskilled, unwilling players to grow their tiny tiny epeen and should diaf. Saving your game, 1 monacle at a time
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:02:00 - [25] Edited by: DeBingJos on 04/07/2011 14:02:29 Originally by: Cooper Anderson Stewart Yep, not the best way to keep new players in EVE. This is equivalent to griefing, as its Non consentual pvp in highsec. Everyone knows about it and until ccp fixes the broken wardec mechanics, your only recourse is to stay in an npc corp where they cant grief you. It's a war, what do you expect? 10 vs 1 LET ME REPEAT 10 versus 1!!! Get 2 blackbirds, 2 rifters for tackle and the rest in ruptures for dps. Kill. Edit: All your ships together cost lest than 1/5th of his Mach.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 04/07/2011 14:00:45 Get all your guys online NOW Corps are NOT guilds, you can mission in an NPC corp if you want. EVE is PVP, period. Stop being worried about losing your ships, get everyone into drakes or similar, fit warp disruptors, and kill him. It's not hard, it just requires that you try. Make sure you ALL have warp disruptors and as many as make sense have warp scramblers. Neut him ECM him Demand Ransom Pod him. Sadly that is not usually enough.
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:02:00 - [27] Edited by: djenghis jan on 04/07/2011 14:06:23 Edited by: djenghis jan on 04/07/2011 14:05:44 @templar i did not mean the WoW ref as an insult to you, i have been in your position and am currently bored a bit and am now trying planetary interaction :-) nevertheless if he is flying high end ships from different races you are in for a treat, that requires a lot of sp's. Remember though that a single ship needs to fit a lot of mods so an unexpected counter like sig tanking or specific ewar can have succes. btw what also worked in our case is recruit alts from trusted local corps (don't forget to restrict hanger access and rights), set up an sp plan that works without additional training, hand out fitted ships like kestrels (you can produce these locally) and ask them to relog to the alt when required.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:07:00 - [28] 1. You have no chance. Make your time. 2. If you feed them ships they'll just come back for more. 3. .... 4. Quit. You don't need to be in a corp with 5 guys running missions. Go NPC. Alternatively: stop failing to 'get' EvE entirely and seriously go back to WoW. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
sYnc Vir Caldari Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:11:00 - [29] 1 dude? Dont you watch local when at war? Maybe start mission elsewhere and keep an eye on local from now on. Or have a phoon in station ready to go, 3 nuets, 1 webs 1 scam, 1 Cap injector. ... I fly carelessly, without focus and semi afk all the time. ...
Christopher Merchentson	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:12:00 - [30] 10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him.

Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Cosmic Templar we don't have players with high SPs that can match someone with an account whos been playing longer than all of us cumulatively. But that's just it: you don't need to match him, because there are more of you than of him. 10× 5M SP will make absolute mince-meat out of 1× 50M SP. In fact, 5× 5M will make mince-meat out of him. This is not you standard class/level-based MMO, where being a "higher level" makes you immune to weaker characters. Quite the opposite: it doesn't take long to reach a point where, no matter how much more SP you acquire, you do not become any stronger or any more resistant to attacks. Take advantage of this and just nuke the sucker. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Christopher Merchentson 10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him. 10 vs 1 they should be able to beat him, regardles of skillpoints involved. All they need is a little organisation and the will to fight.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Spricer Raiden.	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:15:00 - [33] Asuming you are able to fly drakes and blackbirds: You need to get him to fight under your conditions and prevent him from running. Setup a drake (Torp Raven would work too) as bait, heavy tanked and sitting at a gate with scrams. Like usual the offensive pilot doesnt expect anything from a carebear target and will go for a bump. That the moment where you scram him (if he is aggressed). Now that you have him grabbed by the balls, jump in two Blackbirds with a pure minmatar jam setup followed my additional heavy DPS and if possible, something that can neut the crack out of him if he is actively tanked. Thats one way how to kill him.
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:16:00 - [34] Edited by: OverlordY on 04/07/2011 14:16:26 Quit eve, and tell CCP why in the comment box when u do. Its the only way things like this will change.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:16:00 - [35] I would give roughly the same advice as the guys above. Either hide for a week (they do get bored, even if they claim they will never stop hunting you - I've only ever had one corporation ever claim that about Mixed Metaphor and they gave up after two weeks) or get into cheap ships. Usually these guys will only have to lose a couple of expensive ships before they decide they'll move onto an easier target. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
ninjaholic	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Christopher Merchentson 10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him. Either way there'll be a story in C&P or there'll be a industrial lolmail on Battleclinic. + Support EVE's own IN-GAME fight record tool!
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:21:00 - [37] They have no chance whatsoever and feeding war targets ships is fuelling the tears. At least just tell them so and don't give them bad advice you sly hags. Unless, as I suspect, some of you idiots really believe 5 newbs with no skills can somehow win a war against a high sec griefer outfit. In which case, you really all need to go back to 2003 and stay there. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:21:00 - [38] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:24:00 Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:22:59 This is pretty much how Eve works. So, you need to learn to deal with it. Not knowing anything about the people who dec'ed you I'll give you some general stuff you can do. Learn to PVP. It's already been mentioned. Might want to find someone experienced willing to whip you guys into shape. If these guys are sticking to particular regions of space and not really coming out to find you then don't go there. Definitely don't go there individually. If in a group fly/fit ships ready for pvp. You don't want to fight people on their home turf. You want to fight them away from their resources (other ships). Avoid them. If they're coming to you then it might be worth while for you guys to scatter if you don't plan on fighting them. Set their corp red in your corp standings. Keep local open and visible. When you see them come into the system leave or dock. Highsec wars, imo, are nothing more than big wastes of time that turn into docking games. You're either waiting hours for a chance encounter or they are. Rarely have I been dec'd that there were fleet fights. Fleet fights are usually low/null/w-space. Me living in w-space makes it easy to bore hisec wardec'ers to death by just not being in hisec. Gather intel on them. Research killboards for activities which might indicate where they're based out of and where they're operating mostly. It'll also allow you to gather player names who belong to the corp. Use, frequently, locator agents to find them. Research contract histories to identify their alts. Then you can use alts of your own to follow them, especially indies and/or freighters to try and locate any POS's they have in hisec. Chances are, they don't have any hisec POS's though. Then again, maybe. At that point you can hire mercs to take down their assets.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said,our players have no interest in taking part[1], and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle[2]. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him. [1] Don't try to protect corp members who don't want to protect themselves. [2] This is a common misconception. There are very few skills you need to train specifically to be capable at PvP. Basic scrams and webs, and minor Ewar is all that is "Required" and thats a couple of days training. max. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Holy One Unless, as I suspect, some of you idiots really believe 5 newbs with no skills can somehow win a war against a high sec griefer outfit. Of course they can win. I encourage them to try, they might like it! Remember, it's just a game and T1 cruisers are cheap.

Chandler Estidal	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:25:00 - [41] I'm engaged in a solo war dec right now on a pretty large carebear alliance. It is a TON of fun. My advice? Leave your little carebear corp, get some PvP experience, and try it yourself.
MNagy	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:31:00 - [42] Or join an alliance. He war dec's you - he war dec's the tonne of you. To me - the war dec is not broken. E.V.E. (Everyone Vs Everyone) You will see - losing a ship here and there is what makes eve fun.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:24:00 Edited by: Mr Kidd on 04/07/2011 14:22:59 This is pretty much how Eve works. So, you need to learn to deal with it. Not knowing anything about the people who dec'ed you I'll give you some general stuff you can do. Learn to PVP. It's already been mentioned. Might want to find someone experienced willing to whip you guys into shape. If these guys are sticking to particular regions of space and not really coming out to find you then don't go there. Definitely don't go there individually. If in a group fly/fit ships ready for pvp. You don't want to fight people on their home turf. You want to fight them away from their resources (other ships). Avoid them. If they're coming to you then it might be worth while for you guys to scatter if you don't plan on fighting them. Set their corp red in your corp standings. Keep local open and visible. When you see them come into the system leave or dock. Highsec wars, imo, are nothing more than big wastes of time that turn into docking games. You're either waiting hours for a chance encounter or they are. Rarely have I been dec'd that there were fleet fights. Fleet fights are usually low/null/w-space. Me living in w-space makes it easy to bore hisec wardec'ers to death by just not being in hisec. Gather intel on them. Research killboards for activities which might indicate where they're based out of and where they're operating mostly. It'll also allow you to gather player names who belong to the corp. Use, frequently, locator agents to find them. Research contract histories to identify their alts. Then you can use alts of your own to follow them, especially indies and/or freighters to try and locate any POS's they have in hisec. Chances are, they don't have any hisec POS's though. Then again, maybe. At that point you can hire mercs to take down their assets. You are kinda missing the point, albeit it with excellent advice. They don't want to play EvE. They want to play WoW in Space. They want to do that in a 100% safe environment that does not require them to interact with or be hassled by anyone else. Just repetitive action and shinnies. They are the cancer of this game that needs to be rooted out and griefed in to quitting at every opportunity. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Gexor	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:34:00 - [44] Message me in game with the guy's name. I might be able to help you.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:47:00 - [45] Thanks for all the people who replied with some non-troll info. If this situation were entirely conducive to exacting revenge from all our members on this player, then that would be the most gratifying option. Currently some of them are disinterested, and the handful we have who are interested, are too few in number with just our own corp resources, to be able to take down an exp. PVP pilot. Again thanks for all the replies, and yes I do look forward to expanding our enjoyment of this game, when we send him screenshots of his floating corpse.
Sir Hillary	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:47:00 - [46] I see 2 options in these situations. Either fit up a bunch of cheap frigs (even with "no PvP skills" you should be able to fit a t1 Frig with basic tackle and tank) and just dive in. With insurance you'll maybe be risking half a million each undock, so don't need to fuss about losses, you get some experience. Go in expecting to loose ships, and see what you can do to the guy. As long as you treat it as a bit of change of pace for a week rather than serious business, you should have some fun. Either that, or go do something else. Start another toon, play another game, go outside, whatever. Take a week off, and don't give him anything to shoot at. Whatever you do, don't run missions. He's deccing you to get at any shiny mission ships you may have. Don't give them to him.
E man Industries	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:55:00 - [47] Okay number of options Fight, I call BS you can't kill him. Tank a battle ship as much as you can , wait for him to engadge..warp disrupt him with the bait ship(he has to be in range or you could just warp out) Warp in a couple of cruisers and orbit him @ 10km with afterburners. Cruisers fit warp disruptors. Anything else to bring DPS on to him. Great if you can web him and keep your dps ships out side 20km so you can warp away if you take heavy dmg. Small ships orbit faster than his guns can track. Use this. Use a cruiser or frigate and pick off his drones. A well flown rifter could takle this guy. Second option is dock up. If you don't give fights he will un wardec you because your borring. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin
Mary Astell	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:56:00 - [48] 1 ship? ECM. Sorted.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:58:00 - [49] @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.
Nuela	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:58:00 - [50] Originally by: ACY GTMI Running missions while war decced is not a good idea. Anyone can use a locator agent and find out what systems and stations you use. All they have to do then is wait. Not to mention, one of your 10 members is probably his alt.

Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:59:00 - [51] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 04/07/2011 15:00:39 Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him. Your boys are mission runners and therefore have money, hire mercs. Also, to the people saying fight, OP stated they don't want to fight. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Nor Tzestu Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.04 14:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Thanks for all the people who replied with some non-troll info. If this situation were entirely conducive to exacting revenge from all our members on this player, then that would be the most gratifying option. Currently some of them are disinterested, and the handful we have who are interested, are too few in number with just our own corp resources, to be able to take down an exp. PVP pilot. Again thanks for all the replies, and yes I do look forward to expanding our enjoyment of this game, when we send him screenshots of his floating corpse. Nah, this doesn't add up at all. Disinterested? Really? Then let them enjoy getting owned. Basically if you all can fly a Blackbird then this guy won't get kills. If your corp is made up of such "casual" players that they can't be bothered to fit up a blackbird and go jam the crap out of someone who is killing you guys then just close the corp. Sorry, but that's the best advice your going to get. Seriously anyone who can fly a frigate of some type can contribute in PVP. Sounds like you don't even have carebears in your corp, just leeches. 4 guys tops could drop this fool pretty much anytime he was dumb enough to engage. 2 blackbirds and 2 dps ships with drones to clean his out. Of course that assumes you have the desire and will to go do it. None of which sounds like your corp. If I were you I would close down the corp, as this series of posts just makes you a target for the next high sec grief corp looking for an easy target that won't fight back. Sad.
Cregg Neir	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:00:00 - [53] Join an alliance that will offer you some protection.
Mukutep Dragonfly Solutions	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:02:00 - [54] Just have everyone leave your corp and join NPC corps for the war duration. You can even create a new chat channel and have them all join it so you can all stay in touch. When the war is over because they guy gets no/few kills, have everyone come back.
Nix Gravity	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:05:00 - [55] I do not mean to discourage you in saying this, as I hope you will continue playing and one day give me an opportunity to take advantage of you for my Eve entertainment, but if you cannot handle a 1-ship wardec, you are not ready to be your own corp. There is no shame in that. Mission in NPC corps for a while, or join a large newbie-friendly corp to live under their protection, learn the game, and then some day open your own corporation. You are currently getting some important lessons: I - Watch local. This will serve you well in whatever you do, unless you go into wormhole content. II - As Conan put it best: a man alone is nothing. Yes, if you use your inflatable pseudo-guns with no damage bonuses, he will rain down upon you, crushing your ships like ants. Learn to take advantage of numbers: use ecm, neuts, remote repair, all those wonderful things that your attacker cannot do. III - Make some friends. Hire some mercenaries, if you can't afford to pay them to destroy your attacker for you, ask them about teaching you guys how to fight back. I suspect most would do it very cheaply, or possibly for free. IV - Eve is PvP. You might think that you can just mission in your own private little world, but can flippers, ninja salvagers, and even cunning traders are ripping you off, even if you don't notice it. You will need to learn to play with others or around others. This is actually a great experience for you, you just need to open your eyes and realise it.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:08:00 - [56] Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 15:08:04 Put those tech I bpc's to the oven. Start spewing tech I, frigs, cruisers and bships. Do a research about fittings and e war. Gank teh bastard!
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:11:00 - [57] Three things. 1) We are not closing up shop. 2) This is ultimately a perfect opportunity to get some PVP exp. as mentioned above. 3)It will be more satisfying to get HELP so that WE can kill this player, rather than pay someone else to do it. Points taken.
K'iran	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:11:00 - [58] Edited by: K''iran on 04/07/2011 15:11:38 New insight seems to suggest that the OP can't be bothered to put in effort, even to a point where others have to contact HIM (and do it for free). Stick to NPC corps and certainly don't LEAD any corps. Or, dare I say it, go elsewhere.
Talyn Ambraelle Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Vain Eldritch Failing that, hire mercinaries to hunt him down. I highly recommend the Moar Tears alliance. Give Cosmo Raata from the T-Cells a call to get their rates. Those guys have killed more people than cancer.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:12:00 - [60] Edited by: Ranka Mei on 04/07/2011 15:13:17 Originally by: DeBingJos In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him. That's what we did against a 1-man corp that decced us when we still resided in highsec. At first we lost a few ships; then we got organized, and hunted became the hunters. Jumped him with 15 or so ships several times. First time he got away, second time he lost an expensive ship; third time as well; next he mumbled something in local about not giving up because of losing his 500 mil payout (obvious troll for us to pay him off); next CEO gave him the finger; and the next day Concord declared the war invalid (= read: bum quit). -- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP

Oesophagus	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:12:00 - [61] Goonswarm was build on the idea that no skill people can beat high skill people...
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:13:00 - [62] Quote: I do not mean to discourage you in saying this, as I hope you will continue playing and one day give me an opportunity to take advantage of you for my Eve entertainment, but if you cannot handle a 1-ship wardec, you are not ready to be your own corp. There is no shame in that. Mission in NPC corps for a while, or join a large newbie-friendly corp to live under their protection, learn the game, and then some day open your own corporation. I can verify from personal experience that this is wrong. Sorry, not trolling/flaming a single bit. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Cosmic Templar @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies. Because you are trash in EvE terms. You are grinding missions to make isk to pvp that you will loose very quickly because you have no idea how the game works or have any inclination to learn. Then you'll bad mouth EvE, rage, spread it about that EvE is 'only for griefers' and is 'boring' and such like I read everywhere on the internet. You probably also think you 'can't play eve' or 'pvp in eve' unless you have 30m sp and a brace of HAC's and recons. That commands little respect - although your shinnies make nice displays on KB. You are (yes you are) moaning about being hassled and griefed in a game that is entirely about pvp. Again doesn't make me respect you. Or evoke my sympathy. You are running missions in a 5 man corp not because of your esprit but to avoid paying tax. Again. Not inspiring my respect. Finally you have signed up for and pay money to play an MMO that is completely focused on player interaction and conflict. But don't like player interaction or conflict. I say 'you'. I mean your 'disintrested' friends. And their entire sodding failscade life perspetive that I very genuinely fear being infected by. I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely. EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. If people like you get a foot hold beyond what you have already achieved - entirely subverting half the sodding game space - it will go the way it always does: down. So here, anger free, I suggest you 1. GTFO out of this mmo. or 2. Learn to play the game as it was intended. 3. Go do incursions or something CCP MoneyBags made for your sort as an isk faucet alternative to real pvp. In real EvE. I know you aren't capable of 2. because you've already revealed you are 'saving' and 'waiting' to pvp and have in this admission completely and utterly outed yourself as beyond salvation. 3. I see this in your future. Fly safe! BBQ makes me hungry for more...
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Three things. 1) We are not closing up shop. 2) This is ultimately a perfect opportunity to get some PVP exp. as mentioned above. 3)It will be more satisfying to get HELP so that WE can kill this player, rather than pay someone else to do it. Points taken. A large chunk of me wats to be you
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:20:00 - [65] @ Holy I prefer 2. Dynamics of the game.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Cosmic Templar @ Holy I prefer 2. Dynamics of the game. Oh ok then. Sorry about that. Good luck! BBQ makes me hungry for more...
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 04/07/2011 15:13:17 Originally by: DeBingJos In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him. That's what we did against a 1-man corp that decced us when we still resided in highsec. At first we lost a few ships; then we got organized, and hunted became the hunters. Jumped him with 15 or so ships several times. First time he got away, second time he lost an expensive ship; third time as well; next he mumbled something in local about not giving up because of losing his 500 mil payout (obvious troll for us to pay him off); next CEO gave him the finger; and the next day Concord declared the war invalid (= read: bum quit). That's the spirit. Do plenty of smack talk so he can provide you with expensive targets for some time. Most do fall for smack talk.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:30:00 - [68] Appended Member Count 10>5. NPC will do for some.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:30:00 - [69] Originally by: Holy One I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely. EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. If people like you get a foot hold beyond what you have already achieved - entirely subverting half the sodding game space - it will go the way it always does: down. Respect.
Apocolyse Harvey	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:50:00 - [70] Originally by: Holy One Originally by: Cosmic Templar @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies. Because you are trash in EvE terms. You are grinding missions to make isk to pvp that you will loose very quickly because you have no idea how the game works or have any inclination to learn. Then you'll bad mouth EvE, rage, spread it about that EvE is 'only for griefers' and is 'boring' and such like I read everywhere on the internet. You probably also think you 'can't play eve' or 'pvp in eve' unless you have 30m sp and a brace of HAC's and recons. That commands little respect - although your shinnies make nice displays on KB. You are (yes you are) moaning about being hassled and griefed in a game that is entirely about pvp. Again doesn't make me respect you. Or evoke my sympathy. You are running missions in a 5 man corp not because of your esprit but to avoid paying tax. Again. Not inspiring my respect. Finally you have signed up for and pay money to play an MMO that is completely focused on player interaction and conflict. But don't like player interaction or conflict. I say 'you'. I mean your 'disintrested' friends. And their entire sodding failscade life perspetive that I very genuinely fear being infected by. I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely. EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. If people like you get a foot hold beyond what you have already achieved - entirely subverting half the sodding game space - it will go the way it always does: down. So here, anger free, I suggest you 1. GTFO out of this mmo. or 2. Learn to play the game as it was intended. 3. Go do incursions or something CCP MoneyBags made for your sort as an isk faucet alternative to real pvp. In real EvE. I know you aren't capable of 2. because you've already revealed you are 'saving' and 'waiting' to pvp and have in this admission completely and utterly outed yourself as beyond salvation. 3. I see this in your future. Fly safe! So your idea of fun is griefing new players that dont have your experience, ships or bankroll. YOU are the cancer that is driving away new players, attritting your beloved game's status. YOU are the antisocial psychopath that wants to attack everything helpless and ignorant, an internet bully, the very definition of antisocial. There is a difference between being 3 or 4 shot and being able to learn from a losing battle that lasts more than 15 seconds and improve. If the game is so great PVP - wise, then why are you picking on a PVE Corp? Why not go relish in the battles you could be having with experienced, worthy adversaries? Maybe you could meet someone that makes you think, makes your heart race and perhaps, if you are SOCIAL enough, you could start dialog and learn from each other, MAYBE even become friends?

Rose Hips Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:53:00 - [71] Originally by: Holy One Because you are trash in EvE terms. You are grinding missions to make isk to pvp that you will loose very quickly because you have no idea how the game works or have any inclination to learn. I'm copy and pasting this so many times, that whole speech was golden. Or... Cosmic Templar, you can try this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_12E1EN6fs&NR=1
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:56:00 - [72] Making a Corp comprising a few friends, new to the game, is a common mistake that a lot of new players make in Eve. If I see players trying to do this in the Chat channels I always warn them about the possibility of being Wardecced but most figure it will never happen to them. You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.
Fredfredbug4 Gallente Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:01:00 - [73] Hire some mercenaries. It'll be expensive but should be less expensive than replacing everything that he keeps on destroying.
Ehranavaar Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:04:00 - [74] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. may i suggest you first form an alliance even if you just have the one corp. this boosts the cost to war dec you to 50 mill a week from 2 mill. surprisingly this is enough to discourage most of the rabble. the other thing is that when you are decced you simply don't bother undocking. if you want to stay logged in that's ok but do not undock. if he's not getting any "cheap" kills he's not having any fun. this should kill his interest in continuing to bug you. there are several other free to play mmo's out there to pass time on while waiting for his war dec to expire.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:06:00 - [75] Originally by: Demure Guise Making a Corp comprising a few friends, new to the game, is a common mistake that a lot of new players make in Eve. If I see players trying to do this in the Chat channels I always warn them about the possibility of being Wardecced but most figure it will never happen to them. You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me. But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed.
Omira Tan	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:09:00 - [76] Originally by: Holy One I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely. EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. And yet you spit on said sandox with every fiber of your being. You want the sandbox, but only if everyone plays the way you do. And if they don't, you "hate" them. How pathetic.
Aeveen Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:10:00 - [77] Originally by: OverlordY Edited by: OverlordY on 04/07/2011 14:16:26 Quit eve, and tell CCP why in the comment box when u do. Its the only way things like this will change. ROFL good luck with that.
Squidely	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:12:00 - [78] War dec Teutonic Brotherhood inc just for posting this baby **** crap..
Saile Litestrider	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:17:00 - [79] There are generally two reasons people randomly declare war. First is for easy kills, second is for good fights. If you give them either, they'll keep coming back for more, and even worse, they may tell all their friends. If they're after easy kills, the best thing to do is to simply dock up, don't do anything. If you want to play, drop to an NPC corp temporarily and re-recruit your members when he gets bored. You can use a placeholder alt as the CEO, and create a chat channel to keep in touch. This is very effective, because nobody pays for a war when there are no targets to shoot. If you want to fight back, but don't want to make them enjoy it, play dirty. Pack TONS of ECM. Fly with a tackling frigate or two to pin him down, a blob of blackbirds and some dps ships. If he's perma-jammed, he can't do anything, and it's incredibly annoying for him to fight you. Nobody will willingly fight groups like this on their own. As a bonus, ECM blackbirds and tackle frigates are extremely cheap, extremely easy to skill into, and extremely easy to fly in this case. You're actually likely to start seeing tears from HIM if you pull this strategy. Not to mention yet another "ECM needs a nerf" thread will pop up on the forum and we'll all get a good laugh. Seeking help is great too, you only really need one guy if your corp is willing to fight, a decent FC will be able to get you organized in a cheap, effective setup, and will likely get you several kills.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:20:00 - [80] Edited by: Othran on 04/07/2011 16:27:35 Originally by: Cosmic Templar Three things. 1) We are not closing up shop. 2) This is ultimately a perfect opportunity to get some PVP exp. as mentioned above. 3)It will be more satisfying to get HELP so that WE can kill this player, rather than pay someone else to do it. Points taken. Go take a look at Agony Unleashed's PVP-Uni - www.agony-unleashed.com Their PVP basic course is the sort of thing you want - shows how low-skill people can be competitive (to say the least). The roam has dozens of you out there but the principle will work with as few as 5 people in your case (you'll need some jams). I envy you, I really do. You have no idea what you're doing but if you're willing to lose some cheap T1 stuff while learning - your Eve will change forever Edit : and if you can't afford the Agony course - no idea when the next one is - I'll pay for 5 of you to do it. Paid for plenty others and you'll need some basic PvP knowledge to participate in all of Eve.

MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:21:00 - [81] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:21:21 Originally by: Cosmic Templar I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed. You'll find that most of the people who're ***ing their e-peens in front of ya going "yeh man I only* PvP n **** u a carebear lol i hate u" are actually pathetic little hypocrites with mission running alt accounts. And as for your "problem": Few things you must understand. 1. You guys being inexprienced makes you perfect targets. Deal with it. 2. You can only outgrow this by getting experience. It's an opportunity. 3. Whatever he's flying can be ECM jammed and then shot to bits. If you have 10 men, a half decent plan and manage to set him up properly he'll die. Don't buy the hype. This is Eve. You go alone against 10 men who have more than half a brain -> you die. A couple ECM frigs / blackbirds and drakes will do.
K'iran	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:23:00 - [82] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Originally by: Demure Guise Making a Corp comprising a few friends, new to the game, is a common mistake that a lot of new players make in Eve. If I see players trying to do this in the Chat channels I always warn them about the possibility of being Wardecced but most figure it will never happen to them. You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me. But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed. There is nothing wrong with doing missions (other than missions themselves paying way too much). The issue some people have comes from players who have this idea that PVP is for "later, when I get x mil SP and have x billion in the bank, so I can fly expensive faction/T2 ships and fits", which simply isn't true or necessary. People who refuse to put in some effort to learn about the MMO they're playing, the dangers, the options and disregard PVP completely. The real truth is that if you have people who run missions a bit one can assume most of those will be Caldari (per the "caldari for PVE" meme, which actually isn't correct). And if you have a bunch of caldari pilots it's VERY easy to get 2-3 of those into cheap blackbirds and the rest in Drakes. Anyone attacking you who thought you'd be an easy snack will have the scare of his life when all of a sudden he sees 3 BB's and a bunch of drakes, grouped and having a modicum of teamwork. Thing is that most new players have to go through this phase of really starting to understand what EVE is about and what can happen to you. Best thing is to embrace it, adapt and learn from it. So again, you don't need 10 mil SP or expensive ships to shut down your attackers. The whole "I'll do PVP later" is either ignorance (which is ok if you're a newbie) or stalling. If you want peace, prepare for war.
Ayame Yubari	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Cosmic Templar But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed. You haven't missed anything. These people talking down to you are just bitter vets who forgot what it was like to be a newbie. They think that anyone who doesn't PvP in EVE needs to be shot down and burned at the stake, when sandbox clearly doesn't equal PvP. Sandbox means "do whatever you want". It is arrogant to claim that someone who cannot defend himself because he has no interest in war should gtfo of their beloved grief fest game. It's merely them rationalising why they have become the jerks they are today, shooting everything that moves, lusting for tears of unsuspecting newbies instead of going for a real match. Don't let them tell you how you should play this game.
Selune Virra	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Originally by: Demure Guise You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me. (stuff, in response) the point here is that a 5 man corp of RL friends who don't know anything about EVE or how it works will (usually) end up going poorly. The better option is to get into a "newbie friendly" (though NOT newbie) corp, learn a few things, and THEN go off gallivanting in your own corp once you are more familiar with how EVE works. However, it sounds like you're making the best of your situation, and are actively working on a solution...
Christopher Merchentson	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:33:00 - [85] Originally by: DeBingJos Originally by: Christopher Merchentson 10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him. 10 vs 1 they should be able to beat him, regardles of skillpoints involved. All they need is a little organisation and the will to fight. Eve university fleets are well organized but they lost against a high sp one-man player with a t3 ship (this was back in 2009/10 if I recall correctly).
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:34:00 - [86] Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 04/07/2011 16:36:16 Originally by: Ayame Yubari Originally by: Cosmic Templar But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed. You haven't missed anything. These people talking down to you are just bitter vets who forgot what it was like to be a newbie. They think that anyone who doesn't PvP in EVE needs to be shot down and burned at the stake, when sandbox clearly doesn't equal PvP. Sandbox means "do whatever you want". It is arrogant to claim that someone who cannot defend himself because he has no interest in war should gtfo of their beloved grief fest game. It's merely them rationalising why they have become the jerks they are today, shooting everything that moves, lusting for tears of unsuspecting newbies instead of going for a real match. Don't let them tell you how you should play this game. This is exactly what I've been ***ing about when it comes to games like this for the past several years, games companies like CCP stand by and offer no game mechanics to prevent this kind of grief and harass gameplay claiming it is the nature of sandboxes, yet the people on the recieving end a.k.a everyone but the veterans of the game, can do absolutely nothing. Since the game is revolved around the amount of game time you have in your account and ISK you have, as opposed to player skill which is what normal games have, we need counters to gank squads, we need counters to people who harass newbies for no reason other than to cause grief. Don't go telling me this is a sandbox game when you give the other kid at the end of the pit a shovel to beat me over the head with while I just get a plastic spade and bucket. The LEAST that CCP can do is make it so that you have some kind of pacifist option for corporations so the CEO can set the option on and not be wardecced by other much stronger corporations and alliances, that way we'll actually be able to have new corporations and alliances breaking themselves into the game rather than rage quitting because an ***** thinks it's funny to gank people much weaker than them until they leave.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:34:00 - [87] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:35:43 Originally by: Selune Virra Originally by: Cosmic Templar Originally by: Demure Guise You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me. (stuff, in response) the point here is that a 5 man corp of RL friends who don't know anything about EVE or how it works will (usually) end up going poorly. If those 5 friends step their game up, read a few guides and talk to people ingame it won't be long and they'll absolutely destroy whatever lonewolf is poking at them. Matter of fact they might soon be thinking about wardeccing corps on the grind themselves. RL friends tend to coordinate much more efficient than any other group.
Morganta	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:35:00 - [88] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him. see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you. if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse.
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:37:00 - [89] Originally by: Morganta Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him. see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you. if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse. This is exactly why CCP is struggling, they are meant to be making a sandbox game, not catering pvpers who just want to gank people.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:42:00 - [90] Originally by: Morganta Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him. see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you. if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse. Its not so much that everyone is deadset against PVP or this current scenario. I probably played up the sympathy card a tough because I do empathize with some of our members who enjoy....mining...for example. On that note, there's not much a Hulk pilot can afford in the way of defense, under these circumstances. Can't be arsed! Back to NPC. Now...speaking of scenarios, I'm open to hearing of specifics of how a small group, lets say 3 or 4 pilots would best be loaded to take on and kill an exp. PVP pilot in a Mach most likely with faction modules and the whole 9.

Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:45:00 - [91] You don't have to "do PvP" in Eve, you just need to understand the basics of it and common counters. Eg - put some ECM Griffins out and jam him/them. You'll get some amusement in local and you learn a bit. Worst case is you lose a mill or so after insurance. Go for it. Really, you'll have more fun than him.
Kendra Wilkinson	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:49:00 - [92] Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! ...oh wait... Dock ! Dock ! Dock !Dock ! OR 1) try to spot him before he catch you 2) with n¦1 try to mount a gank mixed with bigger and little, fight on dock range if are really noob 3) always with n¦1 try to trap him on a gate, split your gang on both side and when he's aggro, merge, shoot and profit Tips check if there's not a alt with him (Remote), of a spy who follow you everywhere dont bring too expensive ship, "shark love blood" and enjoy !
Tsukimaru Amarr 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:55:00 - [93] I think it's time to learn about PvP and how you can better protect yourselves.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:56:00 - [94] Edited by: Othran on 04/07/2011 16:57:29 Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! ...oh wait... Dock ! Dock ! Dock !Dock ! OR 1) try to spot him before he catch you 2) with n¦1 try to mount a gank mixed with bigger and little, fight on dock range if are really noob 3) always with n¦1 try to trap him on a gate, split your gang on both side and when he's aggro, merge, shoot and profit Tips check if there's not a alt with him (Remote), of a spy who follow you everywhere dont bring too expensive ship, "shark love blood" and enjoy ! tl;dr didn't make an insta-undock, didn't have off-grid tacs, wasn't watching known alts Engage when you choose not when they do. Better to do it early in your Eve career, people get attached to shiny stuff. Edit - and just don't ever engage on-station until you know what you're doing.
Kiran Minmatar Knights of Azrael	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:57:00 - [95] 4 vs 1 mach? 1 Blackbird fitted with ECM and ECM drones. 1 Hyena with webber and warp distrupter. 2 Drakes Heavy Assualt fitted missiles and warp scramblers Use Afterburners on the drakes and keep them on at all times, this will lessen the damage taken. With light scout drones for more DPS. Hyena holds him place, with warp distrupter and webber. Drakes shut down his MWD with scramblers and hit him with heavy assault missiles. Blackbird jams him to hell and back. All ships can be flown with low skill points and are cheap and easy to replace. Just remeber keep the speed up so his guns can not track you. Or to really make him spew throw on a turret disruptor to top it off.
Kyn Kailata	Posted - 2011.07.04 17:00:00 - [96] Edited by: Kyn Kailata on 04/07/2011 17:00:43 Originally by: Holy One Because you are trash in EvE terms. (...) EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox Confirming that "sandbox game" = "there's only one way to play EVE and if you don't play it my way you're trash"
K'iran	Posted - 2011.07.04 17:04:00 - [97] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Now...speaking of scenarios, I'm open to hearing of specifics of how a small group, lets say 3 or 4 pilots would best be loaded to take on and kill an exp. PVP pilot in a Mach most likely with faction modules and the whole 9. Leave a full tank+scram/web Drake at a planet, have 2 Minmatar fitted Blackbirds cloaked in system closeby and aligned, ready to warp in at range, same for a 2nd Drake. As the mach approaches the Drake the others uncloak and get their align speed up. As he attacks the drake, you scram&web and start to orbit, BB's warp in at optimal and jam the Mach to crap, 2nd drake warps in at 0 and helps with more tackle and dps. If need be the first drake warps off if low HP. If he refuses to get into scram/web range simply jam him and warp off, then BB's warp off while still using ECM. again, you don't have to WIN (although it would be nice), you just have to show him you refuse to be picked off solo and have viable strategies and traps in place to catch him when he messes up. Job done.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.07.04 17:46:00 - [98] Originally by: Kyn Kailata Edited by: Kyn Kailata on 04/07/2011 17:00:43 Originally by: Holy One Because you are trash in EvE terms. (...) EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox Confirming that "sandbox game" = "there's only one way to play EVE and if you don't play it my way you're trash" Thanks bro! BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Selune Virra	Posted - 2011.07.04 17:56:00 - [99] Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:35:43 Originally by: Selune Virra Originally by: Cosmic Templar Originally by: Demure Guise You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me. (stuff, in response) the point here is that a 5 man corp of RL friends who don't know anything about EVE or how it works will (usually) end up going poorly. If those 5 friends step their game up, read a few guides and talk to people ingame it won't be long and they'll absolutely destroy whatever lonewolf is poking at them. Matter of fact they might soon be thinking about wardeccing corps on the grind themselves. RL friends tend to coordinate much more efficient than any other group. hence "usually". completely agree that if the RL friends learn a bit about the game, they'll work together very well... ... until one of them steals from the other (hey, this is EVE afterall)
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.07.04 17:59:00 - [100] You don't really need to kill him. Just annoy him with jamming. If you jam him and he can't destroy your ships, he will get bored and fight someone else. Alternatively, kill him. With ten people, you can do 2 jamming frigs (griffins are good) and 8 fully gunned dessies (going with the low sp option because I don't know your possible ships, BCs much more likely to kill him). Of course, this would require you to hunt him, not the other way around. You can also do as mentioned above and set up bait (which is probably easier). There's also option 3. Don't bother playing for a few weeks. He'll get tired of shelling out isk for nothing. Note: none of the above assumptions are guarantees.

Khira Kitamatsu	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:10:00 - [101] Love how all the people are giving him advice on how to fight, using this ship and that ship, ECM, EWAR and the lot. They guy has repeatedly said he has in-experienced players, many fairly new, and clearly they do not have the skills to pull this off. His choices are simple. 1) Close Corp 2) Higher A Merc Group or a Player that can take this guy out and make it cost him more than he is willing to spend. 3) Stop playing EVE.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:18:00 - [102] I see the same thing over and over again in threads like this one. : "Keel Heem! Keel Heem!" For what? You gain nothing by ganking him. He gains points on the killboards every time you don't though. So think about it for a minute. How does he 'win'? Basically, he takes away your ability tio maintain your cash flow. When you start looking at it as a cash flow problem, a different set of solutions starts to appear. None of them involve heroic personal combat. I formed an industrial corp about 15 months ago. I've been war decced maybe 12 times since then, but I really don't keep track. I've never lost a ship or an ISK during a 'war' although I did lose a Retriever to a suicide ganker before that turned into a war. Also, remember that PvP is an expensive dead end. Ship losses lead to more accounts for macro miners, or less playing time for the main character. You aren't building anything, You really aren't making much in the way of ISK. If you're a 'macho macho man' though . . . . One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today. If you want some advice, Eve Mail me. My first bit of advice, free, is that based on skimming over the posts above, you should ignore them. *************************************************** This space available.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:26:00 - [103] Originally by: ACY GTMI For what? For the lulz. It's what the game is about, you know? Quote: Basically, he takes away your ability tio maintain your cash flow. If he's flying some pimp ass Mach like the OP is saying, they're probably going to make some nice cash off of his corpse. Quote: One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today. Totally out of context. Art of war is about killing people efficiently. The book certainly doesn't depict birds and bees and smokin weed with your buddies.
Fellblade	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:29:00 - [104] The Art of War is not about killing people efficiently. It is about winning wars. Many - but not all - aspects of winning wars involve killing people.
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:30:00 - [105] Do what everyone else is telling you to do, fly cheap ships and tackle, web, scram, ecm jam him. If your really feeling like an ass keep him permajam with ecm for a long time till he self destructs. And keep it up every time he catches you, I doubt the whole idea of fighting you would seem less fun with your corp doing this. Or move to low sec and play like paranoid carebears like everyone is after you, because they are. Heck you may even die less there because of it. Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:40:00 - [106] Its 1 guy, just fit out some basic pvp cruisers/bcs and gang up on him
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:47:00 - [107] Originally by: MaiLina KaTar For the lulz. It's what the game is about, you know? Nope. Not even close. It's what Castle Wolfenstein is about. Originally by: MaiLina KaTar If he's flying some pimp ass Mach like the OP is saying, they're probably going to make some nice cash off of his corpse. Nope. His ship may not drop anything, although I understand this is rare. You may lose several ships in the attempt and end up losing ISK anyway. It's also a waste of time. He has more ships. Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Totally out of context. Art of war is about killing people efficiently. The book certainly doesn't depict birds and bees and smokin weed with your buddies. What does the context have to do with it? Also, the Art of War is about war, not killing people. I think you will be hard pressed to find anything about killing people in it. Originally by: MaiLina KaTar How nice of you smarty-pants. You should be happy noone was really out to gank your ass until now because with that attitude of yours he would've made you his *** and have you quit the game in tears. Smartypants? Word of the day for your pre-school? I fear no PvPer in this game, because there is no reason too. If you feel like ganking me out of the game, feel free. ************************************************* This space available.
Silverfox986 Minmatar StarFox Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.04 18:52:00 - [108] @Cosmic Templar msg me in-game i might be able to help you out =)
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:00:00 - [109] Originally by: Cosmic Templar I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players. Wow thx, i'll look your corp up right in a moment ! :)
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:04:00 - [110] Edited by: JC Anderson on 04/07/2011 20:04:44 You could always hire mercs, as others have mentioned.

Larla Rosethorn Minmatar Renegade Pleasure Androids PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:36:00 - [111] Edited by: Larla Rosethorn on 04/07/2011 20:44:37 Vs Machariel - train scorpion or blackbird with minmatar ecm. fit one other ship as scram/web and the rest dps. Observe 1b+ ship lose to a fleet that costs 100m total. Decent scorp fit: 2 particle dispersion augmentors, 2 1600mm rolled tungesten plates, damage control ii, signal distortion amplifier ii, 8 racial t2 jammers. (may fit other stuff in high slots). It's always absurdly easy to beat 1 guy with 2 guys in eve in pvp especially if you know upfront what they are flying. (Capitals excluded)
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.07.04 20:59:00 - [112] So much **ing fail in this thread, I can barely believe it. 10 v 1 TEN VERSUS ING ONE!? And your solutions, are to "DOCK DOCK DOCK! RUN TO NPC!" Holy. ing. . He was ONE guy. ONE SODDING GUY .. flitting about in a Mach?! I could take 10 alts, all a week old.. and beat him. Everyone who recommended anything other than GANK THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF HIM should biomass themselves, quit the game, and go do something else. Cross-stitch, perhaps. All you need: 1 x Neut / tracking dissy Arby 1 x Blackbird ? x Neut / nano ruptures or even ING THRASHERS. ** that. Literally any combination of 10 cheap ships and you've got a billion ISK killmail on your corp record. Seriously. You outnumbered the guy TEN TO ONE in the only MMO that really allows lower skilled players to work together to defeat a stronger opponent. And you failed. From the OP, I can kinda understand this. He wants to learn, and that is admirable. But to the rest of you .... the rest of you spineless, clueless, idiots? Just quit. Just go. Get out of my game. Also? I just tricked you into reading my signature.
Taint Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.07.04 21:55:00 - [113] the more ships you loose, the more experience youl get :)
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.04 22:56:00 - [114] Originally by: Cosmic Templar @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies. Fight or quit...I was leaning towards fight theres 10 of you...then this post...quit. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 22:59:00 - [115] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher So much **ing fail in this thread, I can barely believe it. Lady Go Diveher: 3 months 22 days old, member of an NPC corp the whole time, Concord status of 0. Worth reading? Well, it's up to you. ************************************************* This space available.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:00:00 - [116] Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 23:00:30 Originally by: ACY GTMI One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today. The best way to win EVE is to not play EVE? Post of the century...
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:08:00 - [117] Originally by: JMERCENARY Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 23:00:30 Originally by: ACY GTMI One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today. The best way to win EVE is to not play EVE? Post of the century... Sun Tsu is now spinning in his grave at approximately 7200 rpm. You'd better find yourself a deep hole somewhere to hide in and give your stufz away AFTER you crawl into it. He may have had his feet cut off, but he can still kick YOUR ass. *************************************************** This space available.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:11:00 - [118]
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:20:00 - [119] Now I think we're ready for a civilized conversation again. *************************************************** This space available.
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:20:00 - [120] Damn it! Now I want to War-Dec you. Fight \| Run \| Disband \| Quit +1 for one-man corp eating 10 little pork chops. In this world you are a wolf, or a pork chop. Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous

Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.07.04 23:30:00 - [121] What if you get warred by a 20 man corp? You will have to face it anyway! High-sec mission corp fail, NPC corps/Private channel are the stuff for you people.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:02:00 - [122] Will we get +1 if we can post a killmail to close out this thread? Running is not really what I would prefer given the situation. I like pork chops as much as the next guy. Update*** War Dec was retracted as of an hour ago. At this point it'd be more enjoyable to dec him kill his massively expensive dream fit, and then post the link here. Thanks for the tips.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:05:00 - [123] Originally by: Cosmic Templar I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players. At the risk of sounding callous and unfeeling (been there, done that)...deal with it, everyone has at some point in their EvE experience. ...good fortune to you.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:11:00 - [124] Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Cosmic Templar @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies. Fight or quit...I was leaning towards fight theres 10 of you...then this post...quit. I'll be more clear about my own intentions next time I post here. I get that EVE is a game where situations like this can befall a high sec corp. I get that there are many of you that think running missions, mining, and roaming around in high-sec is boring, but what i don't get is on the one hand how it also seems that you are more apt to claim what an honorable player it is, who flies better ships, has more experience chooses to spend his tie picking off less formidable opponents. There is no respect that should come from that. its like playing football with your 8 year old younger brother and his friends and stiff arming your way to the endzone, where you proceed to dance around and proclaim what a "bada**" you are. Really?
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:25:00 - [125] Originally by: DeBingJos 1/10 Troll In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him. & lol, learn to EvE, he gets easy kills word will get out & you will be perma decced, learn to EvE.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:33:00 - [126] I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, but another option would be to attend the pvp university. Agony unleashed runs one, but you have to make sure that you sign up well before the class date since they fill up fast. For further info on that. Just google "agony pvp university". They have a basics class which is for people who have never pvp'ed. It covers manual flight, scanning, e war, as well as other fundamentals. If I remember correctly they were charging almost nothing for it. Couldn't have been more than 10 mil per student. Its not something they do to make isk so much as that they simply enjoy doing it. After the initial class there is a roam the day later where they take you out to use what they taught you in an actual hunt. I know they used to even charge less if you opened a corp account with them and sent multiple corp members to the classes.
Plentath Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:40:00 - [127] Edited by: Plentath on 05/07/2011 00:41:02 1. Learn to PVP 2. Gank the fool 3. ????? 4. Profit I must be missing something.
Llambda Space Llama Industries	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:43:00 - [128] Originally by: Cosmic Templar @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Holy**ing. What resources do you not have available? There are ten of you. There is one of him. You have the resources available, you just choose to believe you don't. Quote:** Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Luxury? You don't need luxury. You need T1 cruisers and frigates, maybe some BCs. That's it.
Cosmic Templar	Posted - 2011.07.05 00:56:00 - [129] Amended member count 3.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.05 01:10:00 - [130] Originally by: Cosmic Templar I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players. ? send my alliance a request to join; that will make it pricier for him.

SmilingVagrant Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.05 01:23:00 - [131] Put two guys in blackbirds with the proper racial jammers and another two in tackling/webbing frigates. Jam him up, tackle him and web him, everyone orbit at 5km and go watch a movie. Make sure to do this in T1 hulls. For some reason jamming REALLY **es people off and odds are he'll be too **ed off to think about just logging off to escape the trap. Worst case scenario is he logs out and comes back and kills your 30mil isk worth of ships (haha who cares). Best case is he gets frothing mad as he tries to slowboat to a station 100km away at 5m/s.
Cheekyhoe	Posted - 2011.07.05 01:30:00 - [132] The solution is not to fight. The people who do this live off small corps who have no PVP skills at all and are frankly slightly above forums trolls. Get everyone in corp to add him to their address book when he logs on just log off go watch a film he'll get bored and find someone else to play with. If you decide to play PVP you'll only encourage him to harass you later. If he stays online for a long time and not in system go play missions if he enters system you should warp off to the station. It is also very likely he will have a neutral alt scout or 2 so you if notice probes in system then change your directional scanner to 100,000,000km and if they are or some of them near you warp out.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.05 01:36:00 - [133] Originally by: Cheekyhoe The solution is not to fight. The people who do this live off small corps who have no PVP skills at all and are frankly slightly above forums trolls. Get everyone in corp to add him to their address book when he logs on just log off go watch a film he'll get bored and find someone else to play with. If you decide to play PVP you'll only encourage him to harass you later. If he stays online for a long time and not in system go play missions if he enters system you should warp off to the station. It is also very likely he will have a neutral alt scout or 2 so you if notice probes in system then change your directional scanner to 100,000,000km and if they are or some of them near you warp out. Make that 250K km, and cycle it so you know when they are warping into your mission. Also, they are gaining members as you mentioned, which means you are encouraging recruitment with his/her successes. If you stay docked for a bit, (unfortunate requirement), you may see them drop the Wardec anyway. Other option is joining an alliance, as I mentioned/offered, and the cost will go up which will likely cause them to seek easier/cheaper prey.
Nykky Syxx	Posted - 2011.07.05 01:39:00 - [134] Bring a blackbird, some tackle, and some DPS. Dead Mach.
Ahjeebus	Posted - 2011.07.05 02:37:00 - [135] First, the whole "I don't do PvP" mindset needs to go out the window if you're going to be in a player corp. NPC corps are there to avoid war dec's. Either you're going to deal with war decs or you're going to move back into an NPC corp. Anyone who isn't willing to help fight is just deadweight and more kills to the harasser who will keep going until he's paid off or the corp disbands. Second, odds are this guy knows where you live, moved his crap there before the dec, maybe even has a spy in your corp. Good dec'ers do their homework as much as possible. Change location and check to see if there's anybody who only logs on once a day in their rookie ship just to avoid going inactive. Finally, as others have suggested, highsec really isn't your only option even if you're casual players. Go to lowsec or find a nullsec alliance, you might find it more fun than dealing with all the crap associated with carebear space.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.07.05 02:44:00 - [136] Originally by: Valei Khurelem Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 04/07/2011 16:49:55 Originally by: Morganta Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him. see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you. if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse. This is exactly why CCP is struggling, they are meant to be making a sandbox game, not catering to pvpers who just want to gank people. Would you prefer that CCP cater to people who just want to play in a safe zone??? They have... It's called the starter/noob corps.. No war decs.....
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.07.05 03:54:00 - [137] Awesome troll 10/10 Would read again. NO TO MICROTRANSACTIONS IN EVE.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.07.05 04:00:00 - [138] Edited by: Asuri Kinnes on 05/07/2011 04:03:11 Originally by: Holy One 1. You have no chance. Make your time. 2. If you feed them ships they'll just come back for more. 3. .... 4. Quit. You don't need to be in a corp with 5 guys running missions. Go NPC. Alternatively: stop failing to 'get' EvE entirely and seriously go back to WoW. You sir, are the (all too common) internet idiot. Hope that helps with your identity issues... To the OP, it is perfectly legal to leave your corp to an alt (train it up in under a day), and move everyone to a new corp. When the next dec comes in, rinse/repeat. You can make/move corps faster than anyone can dec' you. According to CCP - you can "join or leave a corp at any time, for any reason". So you could do that. If you guys are mission runners, how well are you friends? Get a buncha Ruptures, 1/3 fit warp disrupters, 1/3 fit tracking disruptors, 1/3 fit medium nuets. everyone carry light ecm drones. Pwn the sucka... :) Originally by: Christopher Merchentson 10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him. Killmails please..... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online. No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
Joan Avon Amarr We See Dead People	Posted - 2011.07.05 05:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Holy One 1. You have no chance. Make your time. 2. If you feed them ships they'll just come back for more. 3. .... 4. Quit. You don't need to be in a corp with 5 guys running missions. Go NPC. Alternatively: stop failing to 'get' EvE entirely and seriously go back to WoW. Unfortunately low class individuals like the one quoted are a continuing issue in Eve. It's a side effect of the sandbox that some people like Mr. Holy one seem to keep getting the sand in their eye and lash out because of it. I've been in your deliema several times and have learned that the easiest and most effective thing to do for a person in your position is: -Start a new player channel and invite all your corp mates into it. Then have everyone take their characters out of the corp and back into their NPC corps. Just leave an alt in there to keep it online. -Use the Player channel as a replacement for the corp chat that way you can still mission run and mine and do all the activities together you did before safely inside the protection of concord -For extra style points be sure to parade around in groups right in front of him talking about how your having so much fun. - Once his minute patience and even smaller attention span has been depleted and he's moved on to god knows what, Return to your original corp happy as a Hollar back girl. -Repeat if needed should he return to bother you. Be sure to make it clear that every war dec will result in the exact same result: Isk spent by him for Nothing gained. Please Note: You can be fashionably late but you cannot be fashionably rude.
raney ilara	Posted - 2011.07.05 06:30:00 - [140] Originally by: Holy One Welcome to EvE. Hope you enjoyed the extended trial. Go back to WoW etc. PS: Contract me all your stuff first plz I'm contracting my civian rails and miners to you for the small servicing fee of 18 billion isk. I would include my velator but it was blown up by a bad wardeccing man.

Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.05 06:36:00 - [141] Originally by: Nak hak In this world you are a wolf, or a pork chop. You mean in eve i hope. Because if you mean in real life, we are left with the mystery of why your parents didn't cook and eat your pretend-cynical ass. Fly safer!
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.07.05 06:53:00 - [142] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Its like playing football with your 8 year old younger brother and his friends and stiff arming your way to the endzone, where you proceed to dance around and proclaim what a "bada" you are. Really? That's Eve in a nutshell, pretty much. Yeah. In a sandbox these things are possible. You can be the *** stealing that lollipop. You can also be the big bro punching that *** in the face. Or you can be the * talking ** while standing one the sideline watching all this delicious drama unfold. It's up to you.
Sral TBear Shipwreck cove	Posted - 2011.07.05 06:59:00 - [143] easy answer....welcome to the sandbox.... The other one..... "hints" Locator agents Scouts ECCM Frigates/cruisers pew pew
BeastlyRage draketrain	Posted - 2011.07.05 07:01:00 - [144] I've done this once with a friend to a 10 man PvE corp and we got 3 golem kills, 2 CNR's and a faction fit rook
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.05 07:36:00 - [145] OP, one thing I can't figure out is what your final considered approach to the problem would be. Are you going to follow the totally unrealistic suggestions above, or are you going to deal with it intelligently? Anyway, two other things for your consideration. First, Most war decs aren't totally random. Something has to being you to the attention of the griefer. You might want to try to find out if there was an incident. For instance, you say you run missions. Have you or any of your people had any problems with ninja-salvagers lately? Don't ask the griefer. It's a given that he would rather lie than tell the truth, even if the truth is easier. Also, andy communication with scum serves to encourage them. Second, anything you can do that makes the griefer whine in public chat is a good thing. "Wanh, you won't come out of station and let me destroy your ships" is one of my favorites. *************************************************** This space available.
Moghydin Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.07.05 08:13:00 - [146] If he's using a Machariel that's good, they drop good loot. You're 10, he's 1 - he should have no chance. Use tanked to hell bait, use cov ops or recon to get a warp in. On warp in use Huginn or something to slow him down and a Falcon to perma jam him, put all dps from other ships on the guy and watch him pop.
daisy cutta	Posted - 2011.07.05 08:52:00 - [147] Wars are part of Eve and your corp will have to learn to deal with it 10-1 Find out which sys is his home and camp it, kill him every time he undocks or just roll over and pay him some isk :) your choice
Franny Mentis Seorsum	Posted - 2011.07.05 11:22:00 - [148] this has to be a troll??? some of my favorite memories are corp wars when I was a n00b caldari cruiser + minmatar racial jammers(blackbird 4tw) a bait ship(one of your mission runners works) couple DPS cruisers/frigs with tackle gear a hauler to hold all his tears
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.07.05 11:50:00 - [149] Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 05/07/2011 11:51:40 Originally by: ACY GTMI OP, one thing I can't figure out is what your final considered approach to the problem would be. Are you going to follow the totally unrealistic suggestions above, or are you going to deal with it intelligently? Confirming that suggesting PVP in a PVP-centric game is "unrealistic" Taking advice from someone whose PVP record is being ganked twice? Who makes an alliance just to help themselves hide from wardecs? That's unrealistic. OP: You have more than the means to walk all over them. Whether you want to or not, is upto you. Consider though, that the game is largely about this. You can either learn how to spank the guys, or pay your subscription to sit in the station, like suggested here. Note, that making an entire corp of carebears remain docked for an entire wardec, whether you're in their local or not, is likely amusement enough in itself. Blow him up. I guarantee it'll be more fun than rescuing the damsel for the 8000th time Edit: I have a corpless ECM alt. If you want a bit of help, throw me an ingame mail. ---------------
Mspaine Amarr Eternal Guardians Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.07.05 11:58:00 - [150] Give this guy a buzz ----> Landorcan They specialise in supporting small corps who've been wardecced.

JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:05:00 - [151] Edited by: JC Anderson on 05/07/2011 12:05:17 Originally by: Cosmic Templar Amended member count 3. ....ECM....Tracking disruptors....Hell anything! I don't care what they are flying. Given the right setup you should be fine considering that you outnumber them to such an extent. Use the right ammo, manually fly to make sure you are harder to hit while closing in. Learn turret mechanics in order to use them to their full effectiveness. Well, unless we are talking super carriers. But besides that, and most of all, DO NOT THINK that just because they are flying battleships that you need to be flying them as well to defeat them.
Daedalus II Helios Research	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:08:00 - [152] If you have 8 people available: Get two into blackbirds (with reasonable skills they can easily reach 80 km). Get one into an execuror set up for remote repping. Get the rest into thoraxes with full pvp blaster setup (see battleclinic). Run missions. It's fun as hell to run lvl 4 missions with low level cruisers in a group with repair backup. If your wartarget shows up, jam him and utterly destroy him (he won't get a single lock). If he doesn't show up you are still having fun running lvl 4 missions. Business as usual more or less. ___________ Interested in incursions? Join Helios Research!
TravisWB	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:47:00 - [153] Eh, just disband your corp and join a real corp that has a real alliance. Small, casual noob carebear corps shed the sweetest of all tears to the impotent carebear pirates that infest hisec. Until you learn to pvp and have a gang of mates to run with, you are just fruit to be picked. This is a game about killing. You don't have to kill anybody but 4 out of 5 people will try to kill you EVERYTIME they get the chance. 'Welcome to EVE'
Mr Gunzales	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:52:00 - [154] If needed get a hold of me ingame :)
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:59:00 - [155] Originally by: Khanh'rhh Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 05/07/2011 11:51:40 Originally by: ACY GTMI OP, one thing I can't figure out is what your final considered approach to the problem would be. Are you going to follow the totally unrealistic suggestions above, or are you going to deal with it intelligently? Confirming that suggesting PVP in a PVP-centric game is "unrealistic" Taking advice from someone whose PVP record is being ganked twice? Who makes an alliance just to help themselves hide from wardecs? That's unrealistic. This is no more a PvP-centric game than any other kind. The game is what you make it. You seem to have decided to help make a toilet out of it. How does an alliance prevent war decs? I really want to know. Gee, If I'd known people would think I was a coward for forming an alliance I could have skipped all those skills and studied dead-end PvP. *************************************************** Where can I get an "I Survived Incarna" T-Shirt?
HellGate fr Yarrbear Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:11:00 - [156] What is your corp Cosmic ?
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.07.05 15:23:00 - [157] Originally by: ACY GTMI This is no more a PvP-centric game than any other kind But it is though, isn't it? Name me another MMO whose sole basis is the "sandbox" ... the same sandbox that allows non-consensual PVP anywhere. If you need any more proof, read the mission statements and dev blogs CCP have put out over the years. Quote: How does an alliance prevent war decs? I really want to know You're either completely stupid, or you're a troll. You know too well it increases the cost of declaring war. Why else set up an alliance (cost: 1 billion plus upkeep) for 11 players? Who one can readily assume are your alts? Quote: I could have skipped all those skills and studied dead-end PvP Explain how PvP is "dead end" when you're a miner in part; the career in Eve with the lowest reward and shortest train-time to maximum skills? ---------------
Achmebenzadream Minmatar Havoc Violence and Chaos Merciless.	Posted - 2011.07.05 15:50:00 - [158] You really shouldn't have posted this thread, drawing attention to yourself and your corp will only get you decced again. But imho you shouldn't have started a player corp if you don't know how to lead the players in the difficult times. I remember being a 4 month old char and the hisec corp i was in got decced, it was an exciting time because I knew we had players who could fight and we adapted accordingly. You should join a FW alliance and learn to fight. Just stay docked for now and he'll go away in a week.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:12:00 - [159] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Not trolling. snip ..but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. confirmed troll -
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.05 17:21:00 - [160] Originally by: Khanh'rhh Originally by: ACY GTMI This is no more a PvP-centric game than any other kind But it is though, isn't it? Name me another MMO whose sole basis is the "sandbox" ... the same sandbox that allows non-consensual PVP anywhere. If you need any more proof, read the mission statements and dev blogs CCP have put out over the years. Quote: How does an alliance prevent war decs? I really want to know You're either completely stupid, or you're a troll. You know too well it increases the cost of declaring war. Why else set up an alliance (cost: 1 billion plus upkeep) for 11 players? Who one can readily assume are your alts? Quote: I could have skipped all those skills and studied dead-end PvP Explain how PvP is "dead end" when you're a miner in part; the career in Eve with the lowest reward and shortest train-time to maximum skills? This is getting interesting. Sandbox my ss. CCP has provided us with a small virtual universe to allow us to show that we have learned something since we have moved out of the cave. Apparently not good enough for you. My heart bleeds purple panther pss for you poor griefers who have to pay extra to war dec an alliance. Seriously, I feel sorry for you. I set up an alliance of my own because I have been a member of several, and every one of them sucked because of people like you. If mine sucks too, I only have myself to blame, but so far I am happy with it. I have 12 active characters. 9 of them are members of alliance corps. The other two alliance characters belong to my mining buddy, who is inactive at the moment. If mining is such a poor choice, how do I afford all the ships, and the alliance? People who know zip about mining should keep their mouths shut about it. *************************************************** Where can I get an "I Survived Incarna" T-Shirt?

Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.07.05 17:42:00 - [161] Against 1 person who knows what they are doing even a few hundred man indy corp or alliance has no chance. Its just a side effect of the mechanics of the game. ECM, traps, ganks wont work because of how easy it is to avoid combat and because you can stay logged in 23/7. Lets say I declare war on your 200 man alliance. I stay logged in, to trap me you will need to sit there all day until I log on. When I do, I do locates on your online members, without acceptting I can determine how close to me all of you members are within a minute or less. On the other hand when I am actually at the computer one or more of your members has certainly gotten frustrated with waiting and started mining, missioning or hauling. Its a simple matter of locating, alt scouting, and ganking him then going dormant again or easily avoiding the slow uncordinated counter gank. Rinse repeat forever. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:38:00 - [162] A little real life leadership experience goes a long way in this game. More valuable then any in games skills, and anything in ones hanger(CQ). Fight \| Run \| Disband \| Quit Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous
Saul Khaladran Aideron Robotics	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:41:00 - [163] Edited by: Saul Khaladran on 05/07/2011 18:41:28 Play smart, play safe. Have a protocol that all members must follow in wartime. Only undock in a pvp ship. Travel in groups. Fly what you can afford to lose. If you have no PVP experience learn from your mistakes. This isn't harassment its how the game goes.
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:55:00 - [164] Originally by: Cosmic Templar I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players. A small group, fitted proper, can take out any single person regardless of the ship he/she is flying (unless it's a cap, at least). 1. Jammer (a blackbird works just fine in this role, try and tailor the jammers to the ship he's flying. Jam him before he can target you and sic his drones on you) 2. Interceptor (with web and scrams) 3. NOS-ship (use a Curse if you can) 4. Damage Dealer (though without cap he'll be helpless, having some extra firepower doesn't hurt) like a BC or somesuch. The trick is getting him to actually fight at that point. Until then: DON'T LET YOUR GUYS RUN MISSIONS ALONE WHEN THE GUY IS ONLINE. Lone mission-runners/ratters are easy prey for empire wardec corps, it's what they live off of. Have them all add the offending party to their contacts so they can see if he's on or not. When he signs on, dock up immediately, then form a group. Then you've got to tempt him to fight. Aside from fighting him back, the options are: 1. Pay his ransom. I haven't read the whole thread, so I have no idea if he's asked for one, nor how much it is. 2. Disband and reform corporation. He might just wardec the new one, though. 3. Look under the "Other Wars" tab under Corporation. See if he's warring with anyone else. Make contact with them, see if you can organize an effective defense. It's only one guy. This stuff has probably already all been suggested, but hey. I'd personally help out, but my non-industrial alt is kinda stuck in nullsec for another 15 days.
Inanna NiKunni	Posted - 2011.07.05 19:50:00 - [165] Edited by: Inanna NiKunni on 05/07/2011 19:51:38 CT I will give you some general advice, i understand you guys don't have a lot of experience and its time for you to start accumulating some. when it comes to fighting, sounds like you guys don't stand a chance. so concentrate on evading him. watch local, if you see him in local dock or warp to a safe spot make and use safe spots and insta undocks assign some of your guys on scout duty, have them watch systems next door. minimize losses, if you keep giving him kills he will keep hunting you. think of the whole thing as a learning experience, learn how to evade your enemies first, then learn how to kill them. also its very common for those guys to have an alt in your corp.
Druadan Syrus Speculations	Posted - 2011.07.05 19:58:00 - [166] Originally by: Cosmic Templar I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players. Fight back and do it smart. Stick together, fit cheap ships, and learn to fight. Best case, they think they've accidentally wardecced a corp with experience, and thus cancel the wardec. Worst case, you lose, you learn. -Druadan looking for work
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.05 20:18:00 - [167] Originally by: Cosmic Templar Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Cosmic Templar @Holy One Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that? Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies. Fight or quit...I was leaning towards fight theres 10 of you...then this post...quit. I'll be more clear about my own intentions next time I post here. I get that EVE is a game where situations like this can befall a high sec corp. I get that there are many of you that think running missions, mining, and roaming around in high-sec is boring, but what i don't get is on the one hand how it also seems that you are more apt to claim what an honorable player it is, who flies better ships, has more experience chooses to spend his tie picking off less formidable opponents. There is no respect that should come from that. its like playing football with your 8 year old younger brother and his friends and stiff arming your way to the endzone, where you proceed to dance around and proclaim what a "bada**" you are. Really? I am not claiming anything, I also don't highsec grief <shrug>. Lasttime i was in a highsec war I was the guy getting decced. Just stuck the boot in till I was left alone again. You out number him use that, 10 pilots have options vs any single faction BS jam/scram/web and kill him. numbers are important in this not really ship types. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.05 20:25:00 - [168] Edited by: Miagi Sans on 05/07/2011 20:24:49 honestly, we used to be in the same boat as you. We started off with a handful of players from other mmos who have been together for years. I think there were 6 of us. We got wardec'd in hi sec, and rather than just give out and fold up, we asked around on what a group of noobies could do to help ourselves. One thing we learned is to have insta-undock warp points from your base of origin, dont put all your ships in one station, and know your enemies weaknesses. You could have easily put together a cheap fleet of a jammer (say blackbird) and arby to gut his tracking down to nothing, and 2 cruisers with neuts to finish the job. 4 people in cheap ships could have easily taken him. As a former noob to another...dont give up, and dont let hi sec war deccers ruin your fun. Adapt and learn. edit: sup larla!
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.07.06 09:15:00 - [169] Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 06/07/2011 09:15:32 Originally by: ACY GTMI My heart bleeds purple panther pss for you poor griefers Except declaring war is not griefing. Declaring war is a game-mechanic-sanctioned action. A dictionary, read one. Also .. how would DEFENDING yourself from a wardec be griefing? Quote:* Sandbox my ss. CCP has provided us with a small virtual universe to allow us to show that we have learned something since we have moved out of the cave. Apparently not good enough for you. So you've "shown" that you're content to sit and stare at rocks all day, perform simple repetitive actions and get meager rewards? Awesome. I want to be where you're at. Quote:* I set up an alliance of my own [...] I have 12 active characters. 9 of them are members of alliance corps. So you HAVE set up a whole alliance just for you and your alts? Really quite sad to be quite honest. You've "shown" that you're so good at socializing and getting along that you can only cooperate with yourself? You're just win. ---------------
Tanya Fox	Posted - 2011.07.06 10:08:00 - [170] Originally by: Khanh'rhh Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 06/07/2011 09:15:32 Originally by: ACY GTMI My heart bleeds purple panther p*ss for you poor griefers Except declaring war is not griefing. Declaring war is a game-mechanic-sanctioned action. A dictionary, read one. Also .. how would DEFENDING yourself from a wardec be griefing? The action of declaring war is not griefing, the game mechanics allow for such wars. It's the intent behind the war that determines if it's griefing or not.

Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.06 11:03:00 - [171] If you are in a corp that can't protect their members then you should leave and join one that can or just stay in a NPC corp where you CANT be wardecced. Simple as that. Newbie corps are magnets for griefers. Word of advice for new players? Stay in a NPC corp till you want to bother with pvp.
Abdeisus	Posted - 2011.07.06 12:20:00 - [172] Edited by: Abdeisus on 06/07/2011 12:23:00 The best advice,if you have no interest in PvP: don't present a target, high sec grievers are lonely adrenaline junkies - if you make him wait he'll get the cramps and move on. ... as others have said, 1. keep him in contacts and on your watch list, when he logs on run a locator agent so you know where he's at; 2. keep a neutral scout in adjacent systems, when missioning and work together, check local frequently; 3. make sure that you have off grid undock bookmarks, and that your home station has a large undock perimeter; 4. when missioning (do it together) stay aligned to an unaligned safe bookmark at least 15 au from a celestials, then align to station and then dock up if he enters system and log have coffee lunch, or do some work or whatever then come back; 5. whatever you do don't speak to him or engage him in anyway - no smack, don't read anything he has to say and remember this can make the game more exciting, get frosty :) And remember to have fun!
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.06 12:32:00 - [173] Edited by: Othran on 06/07/2011 12:33:03 I dunno who you all think you're replying to here? A bit more reading and a little less kneejerk posting would help : Update*** War Dec was retracted as of an hour ago. Edit - that post was 2 days ago, OP isn't interested now as he hasn't replied since then.
Noceur-01 Tiers Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.06 12:57:00 - [174] If he really is alone there's not much to fear, go with a bunch of frigates, should be enough and if not you still get some PVP experience. You're bound to run into PVP sooner or later, I myself is a new player and have ~2mil SP yet I partake in PVP and find it interesting. Its cheaper to learn how PVP works now than later imo. : )
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:17:00 - [175] Originally by: Khanh'rhh Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 06/07/2011 09:15:32 Originally by: ACY GTMI My heart bleeds purple panther pss for you poor griefers Except declaring war is not griefing. Declaring war is a game-mechanic-sanctioned action. A dictionary, read one. Also .. how would DEFENDING yourself from a wardec be griefing? Quote:* Sandbox my ss. CCP has provided us with a small virtual universe to allow us to show that we have learned something since we have moved out of the cave. Apparently not good enough for you. So you've "shown" that you're content to sit and stare at rocks all day, perform simple repetitive actions and get meager rewards? Awesome. I want to be where you're at. Quote:* I set up an alliance of my own [...] I have 12 active characters. 9 of them are members of alliance corps. So you HAVE set up a whole alliance just for you and your alts? Really quite sad to be quite honest. You've "shown" that you're so good at socializing and getting along that you can only cooperate with yourself? You're just win. I didn't say anything about anyone defending anyone. They don't need to defend themselves if they give the problem a little thought. You've suggested that it would be more 'sportsmanlike' for me to sit around for hours waiting for some ship small enough to over power and do it repeatedly, while making no ISK at all from it. What's the difference? Griefing war decs are where one corp with an overpowering advantage war decs another corp for pleasure or financial gain. Who cares whether it's legal or not? It's still griefing. For instance, one of the 12 war decs I received was from a corp who admitted that they had been run out of 0.0 and couldn't afford their internet PvP spaceships any more. They thought I should pay for them. I hope they are still holding their collective breaths. Yes, I created an alliance for myself and my alts because I don't get along with anyone else, except my mining partner, who has been with me for 16 months. Of the last 9 applicants I've had I had to fire all 9 for violating corporate rules during probation. I'm not sure why a closet ninja-salvager would join an anti-griefer industrial corporation, but that just isn't the type of player I'm looking for. Unless I've forgotten one, applications are disabled for all of my corps. I just don't have the patience to waste my time on any more people like you. I said above that I wanted an alliance that didn't suck, for me at least. Yes, I have one now. *************************************************** Where can I get an "I Survived Incarna" T-Shirt?
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:20:00 - [176] Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 06/07/2011 12:33:03 I dunno who you all think you're replying to here? A bit more reading and a little less kneejerk posting would help : Update* War Dec was retracted as of an hour ago. Edit - that post was 2 days ago, OP isn't interested now as he hasn't replied since then. Why did you even look at this thread then, let alone post in it? I am up to date on my fees to CCP, so I can post in any thread I want to unless it is locked if I choose to. Input from you has no effect on that. ************************************************* Where can I get an "I Survived Incarna" T-Shirt?
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.07.07 12:24:00 - [177] Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 07/07/2011 12:26:59 Originally by: ACY GTMI I didn't say anything about anyone defending anyone. They don't need to defend themselves if they give the problem a little thought. Again, when your solution is to STOP PLAYING THE GAME it's a pretty **ing fail solution, in the scheme of the game. No? Quote: Griefing war decs are where one corp with an overpowering advantage war decs another corp for pleasure or financial gain. Who cares whether it's legal or not? It's still griefing No, it's not. It is fully within the rules of the game: Originally by:** CCP A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition. An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. Read it here. If you're in a player corp who is defenseless from wardecs YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. It's no one's fault but your own if you knowingly make yourself into giant targets. Quote: Yes, I created an alliance for myself and my alts because I don't get along with anyone else, except my mining partner, who has been with me for 16 months. I'm just going to keep quoting this, because it is endlessly sad and pitiable. Out of 350,000 registered players, you can find only YOURSELF and one other to play with? I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself. Quote: I said above that I wanted an alliance that didn't suck, for me at least. Yes, I have one now. Whether you call it a corp or an alliance, it's still just you mining on your own.. ---------------


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