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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:55:00 -
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I remember Goons threatening to reset TEST cause TEST killed a single goon bot in F-88, i just lol'd.
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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.29 02:06:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:The Apostle wrote:Quote:As far as the bit that states if you report any member of GSF for botting you will be kicked.
Well all things considered, that in of itself is actually within their rights.
(CCP does not enforce corp or alliances rules in regaurds to recruiting or removal of members)
As for the rest, well that is up to CCP. So you are fine that deliberate, publicised condoning of EULA breaches is kosher and any act to report said EULA breach will get you booted? Quote:
All things considered if the OP was really concerned they should have sent the message to CCP under a petition and let them figure it out.
I seriously hope they do! The source is a matter of public record. As OP what I want to know is whether this is a clear and deliberate condoning and protection of players that breach the EULA. This forum has been done to death regardng bots and the oppostion to it is pronounced and unequivocable. To encourage EULA breaches from an alliance that has CSM members smacks of hypocrisy and tells every player that botting is fine - Mittani's boys said so and CCP did nought about it! Quote:To that I say TROLL........ To that I say LOL There is nothing on the EULA that states that i am required to report a bot when i see one and there never will be because recognizing a BOT is by default done entirely by the use of circumstantial evidence. So you cannot punish me because i haven't reported someone who i can't prove with 100% certainty is a bot. And since nobody is OBLIGED to report a bot, they can't punish anyone from strongly suggesting that someone else under his command doesnt do it either. Reporting a bot is your right? Well, so is speaking in local chat... and nobody does jackshit about alliance leaders who kick members for speaking in local chat. AND BY THE WAY, that makes me as pissed as the next guy. Botting may be bad, but not reporting on a bot when you see one is worse. Let alone threatening those who want to.
Unfortunately your logic is pretty flawed.
The EULA states something about 'you are not allowed to run bots/macros etc', yes?
If CCp had effective anti botting mechanics in place, then the EULA would state something similar to 'Botting/scripting/macros is a bannable offense and you will be caught'
So from the wording of the existing EULA AND the continuation of bots from Goons (and others), it should be clearly implied that CCP needs a lead to work from. Realisticly you can appreciate this is the truth with the amount of work going on there all the time, limited resources etc etc.
In a sense, players ARE obligated to report botting. Just because there is no threat to players who spot a bot and not report it doesn't mean it's OK to not report bots.
Moving on from that, has there been any bot banned at all from no petition raised about it?
Has CCP banned bots from no leads what so ever? Think about it.
Lastly, bots in high sec are pretty easy to spot and report, i am sure many peopel do that all the time in high sec.
Not the case in Deklein.
No one else is around there except other goons. You could say the goons are using their numbers and sov as a cover or buffer zone to permit botting, and they are permitting it.
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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.29 04:16:00 -
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Yes, what is Fatal Ascention doing about Dec Co's bots? Ignoring them i bet.
"Fight the honourable fight! And let OUR bots be the only ones flying!"
It would take balls for someone from FA, even a highsec neut to say 'i am from FA, and we have submitted x amount of petitions against Cec Co's bots and they have been removed'. But i am guessing we will never know.
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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:57:00 -
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Yeah so goons + bots hey. Got to wonder why killing a bot is bad when you can just report it and the whole account gets binned...
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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 01:26:00 -
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Anela Cistine wrote:DidntWantThatShipAnway wrote:This policy has nothing to do with botting and everything to do with alliance cohesion.
If you start having members screwing other members, scamming, reporting, awoxing. Your cant trust your own alliance.
Authority and justice has to come from the top, which is why you deal with things internally. Exactly. The rules are designed to minimize internal drama. If a goon quietly reports another goon, no one will ever know or care. Usually when a goon gets banned for botting we all point and laugh and call the guy an idiot. What we don't want is witch hunts, goon on goon trolling, and drama queens going around threatening to get people banned, or bragging about getting people banned. That creates hard feelings and tears apart alliance cohesion. So reporting falls under the "no goonfucking" rules, so that when people do it they will do it quietly. No drama.
So in other words... The rule is in force to stop people shooting bots, and to let the bot owner continue safely?
If someone there sees a bot, the whinge to the bosses who tell them to **** off and may tell the bot owner to move it to another system for a week or 2 maybe... nice.
No drama at all.
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Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 04:08:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?
Right here, on the OP:
Quote:we have one rule in Goonswarm: we donGÇÖt **** other goons. Oh and we donGÇÖt play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons
I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?
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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 04:15:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Headerman wrote:Zagdul wrote:Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots? Right here, on the OP: Quote:we have one rule in Goonswarm: we donGÇÖt **** other goons. Oh and we donGÇÖt play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons I thought that was pretty plain as day, no? The bandwagoning from Shadow of xXDeathXx is pretty damn ironic. just sayn'
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Headerman
Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 04:48:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:Penif alt detected. I'm new here. What is this? He's wrong but I want to know why he is wrong. EDIT: I did a Google search and got this. "altPeni*.com - News and research on men's reproductive health, peni* problems, STDs and sexual wellbeing." Was this it?
He means Penifsmash, a dood in PL
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Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 11:51:00 -
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I think i said quite early on that CCP NEEDS some leads to work on, CCP Screegs + the others there would have more than enough to do to start a new project of finding botters from scratch or sifting through piles and piles of logs
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Quovis
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Posted - 2011.09.30 13:43:00 -
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Zagam wrote:The butthurt is strong in this thread.
CCP Sreegs is right on this one. All 22 pages of this craptastic thread are full of baseless accusations, internet posturing, and senseless ************. I don't see anything except people taking forum posts out of context, reading into words that aren't there, and crying because someone is better at the game than them. Almost all of the people pointing these accusations are either in small alliances that don't hold much sov, or forum alts (of people who have no cajones to post on their main).
tl;dr - this thread is pointless, and a waste of our time.
If you had bothered to read the OP, Mittens states to everyone in goons not to do CCPs work for them, either petitioning CCP to remove bots or taking the law into their own hands.
How many bots of the goons has FA bagged lately? F*** All probably.
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