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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.28 21:57:00 -
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We all know it goes on. We all ***** and complain and moan about it. But THIS drew my ire.
GoonSwarm Federation Alliance Update GÇô September 28th
Quote:Blue-On-Blue Violence
This is a sensitive GÇô even a touchy GÇô subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter GÇô a very keen ratter if we are honest GÇô we have one rule in Goonswarm: we donGÇÖt **** other goons. Oh and we donGÇÖt play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either:
But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoplesGÇÖ liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****** to report him or to kill him. This will land you and your corp in trouble as all we know is that someone shot blues.
So at what point does an alliance, with it's head as THE CSM CHAIRMAN, allow bots, WHICH IS AGAINST THE EULA, and ACTIVELY THREATEN MEMBERS WITH EXPULSION if they should report said bots.
I know for a fact that several corps/alliances have a zero tolerance for bots, including a DekCo kiss buddy alliance called FA. Hoorah to Zag for that!
But for Goons to threaten expulsion flies directly in the face of the EULA. Surely even encouraging/harbouring such activity must be embedded into the EULA immediately. NO-ONE should have ANY tolerance for bots let alone SUPPORT them.
I call on CCP to start banning CORPS and ALLIANCES for ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING botting, knowingly and in the face of it being downright illegal ingame.
And for the sensible Goons (are there any?), if you think you can be threatened with expulsion for bot-reporting, just remember that no CEO will know, or can know, if you reported the cheating, thieving SOB!!
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo! |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:08:00 -
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I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
110
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:12:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
So if you're under the impression that this is NOT being said (which it clearly does), then please, report all your bots, you'll be fine won't you?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo! |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers
Chained Reactions
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:12:00 -
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Goons are botting? The Mittani not actually giving a **** about EVE and just being an attention *****/looking out for Goon interests? This news is exciting and fresh. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:15:00 -
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I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
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Tarikla
Projet Aurora
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:15:00 -
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Well , to point the obvious :
Quote:
But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoplesGÇÖ liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****** to report him or to kill him.
And , you know , unless he really got NO LIFE at all , it's against the Eula , because he :
- Is Botting
- Is sharing his account with other people in order to get more profit
And both of them are prohibited by the EULA |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
24
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:17:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
Oh really cause its spelled all out in there.
Leme help you out a bit:
Quote:we have one rule in Goonswarm: we donGÇÖt **** other goons
Theres another line in there about not being CCP's cops but you know, this was just a single quote.
Don't try to hide from it, if you're embracing it, embrace it, you guys bot, no big deal, CCP aren't going to ban any of you because they lost something like 20% of their subs (fairly constantly rumored number) over the summer.
Sure sure they keep up appearances by some dev coming in the thread and sighting how botting is against the EULA, but lets seriously step back and take a look:
At this point if they banned all the bots too, they would be about out of players.
So year, Goons bot, RUS bots, AAA bots, RAIDEN. bots, would no longer shock me to find that PL guys bot too (though if we catch them we have a special hell to send them to).
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Vernn Miller
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:21:00 -
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I must have missed that part in the EULA that says alliances have to enforce CCP`s laws.
Also, the copy pasta you quoted makes no mention of any botting activities, it just reminds members of a certain alliance and coalition of alliances not to shoot blues if they hoard all the havens or sanctums in a system for a large amount of time. Large entities have their own rules and if you fail to respect them I think it`s fair to get the boot.
If you want to do some good in regards to botting, fly to some major mission hubs and have a look on dscan for CNRs that belong to characters not even two months old and are in a 1 man player corporation with 0% tax.
And stop being a ******.
How many Caldari does it take to screw in a light bulb?
- None. Caldari do not screw, they are grown in factories. |
Jita Alt666
274
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:22:00 -
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No where in your "quote" is any one actively encouraging or promoting botting. BTW the "leaked" version of that I have seen then goes on to provide the direction that members of that alliance should take to sort out the problem -> report suspects to diplomatic team and let alliance sort it out. You are intentionally taking things out of context to cause drama which raises the question: Are you a goon alt? |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:24:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:No where in your "quote" is any one actively encouraging or promoting botting. BTW the "leaked" version of that I have seen then goes on to provide the direction that members of that alliance should take to sort out the problem -> report suspects to diplomatic team and let alliance sort it out. You are intentionally taking things out of context to cause drama which raises the question: Are you a goon alt?
THEY'RE ON TO ME
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Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:26:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
You need to try harder then that, or are you really that dense?
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KaarBaak
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:29:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
^^This.
I see where it says "don't report alliance mates who rat for 17-18 hours and ignore your convos" but I'm still missing the part about botting.
I hate botters as much as the next pilot, but reporting a blue player to CCP because they're botting all day and not taking your calls is pretty crappy thing to do in ANY alliance. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
110
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:34:00 -
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Quote:No where in your "quote" is any one actively encouraging or promoting botting. BTW the "leaked" version of that I have seen then goes on to provide the direction that members of that alliance should take to sort out the problem -> report suspects to diplomatic team and let alliance sort it out. You are intentionally taking things out of context to cause drama which raises the question:
Let me clarify my position. It IS NOT a corp/alliance issue to determine if bots should/should not be reported. Botting is in direct violation of the EULA and as such ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER has the right, without threat of "retaliation", to report said bot.
To threaten expulsion (which is PLAINLY implied if not stated) for reporting blues is also NOT a corp/alliance issue.
Quote:I must have missed that part in the EULA that says alliances have to enforce CCP`s laws.
Which is exactly my point above. But nor is the corp/alliance responsibly to tell players/members how to handle bots either.
Aliiances and corps either actively engage a policy to destroy suspected bots (I mean, you can shoot anybody for no reason) or they can "turn a blind eye" which I have no problem with as long as members can report as they see fit.
It's the implication of expulsion for reporting (which I repeat is CLEARLY IMPLIED) that is sooooo wrong! That IS NOT an alliance or corp call to make. Period.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo! |
Sebero Sinak
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:42:00 -
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I've quit playing Eve but came back for about 10 days of playing around the 12th - 22nd. All i did was hunt bots for the hell of it.
CCP banned 5 bots/isk farmers running transportation missions out of Eddar VIII i reported.
After finishing with them I was curious about the Goons so using Dotlan map i chose the red colored system of Goons (meaning it had the most npc kills in 24 hrs ) and went there in a cloaked frigate. S-DN5M
I found plenty of live players willing to engage me (if they could find me ). I found no wrecks at belts i visited and no goons - till they started flooding the belts trying to find me.
What I did find was more of the npc anomolies then i cared to try to count. I don't really care about 0.0 but i hate bots and that is why i went there - to see for myself. All i saw was players running those sites.
Thats what i found..you draw your own conclusions.
My opinion is every friggin alliance has some bot users - seems eve attracts the type. |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:44:00 -
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I dont beleive you - the 'goo' in goons stands for good! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:45:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
You don't read contracts when you sign them, do you?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:49:00 -
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Ratting/Mission running bots = should be bannable.
Mining bots should be allowed AND SUPPLIED by CCP untill they do something about mining so it doesnt make you want to jump out of your'e local 20 story office building.
Seriously, click, click, 3min wait......... repeat for 5 hours.
People have more fun station spinning......
Back to topic - Wakeup eve community.
All the big alliancs (ESPECIALY the big one that everyone is now worried will take over all of 0.0) are big into bots. And are enjoying the cofmort CCP's latest "hey lets see how many players we can get to ragequit over NeX!!!" stint, as now CCP arnt banning the botters for fear of loosing further money from subscriptions. |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
130
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:55:00 -
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I remember Goons threatening to reset TEST cause TEST killed a single goon bot in F-88, i just lol'd.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
113
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:57:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me? You don't read contracts when you sign them, do you? ........ You've got to learn to read between the lines, otherwise you're a f*$king lemming.
Have no fear. He knows EXACTLY what my post states. Anyone saying the post is not threatening expulsion for reporting bots is obfuscating the posts intent.
It's just their way to dumb down the topic. Troll 101
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo! |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:02:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
Oh and we donGÇÖt play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:13:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:It's the implication of expulsion for reporting (which I repeat is CLEARLY IMPLIED) that is sooooo wrong!
Haven't you already realize that we live in a world where we have to spell everything out clearly?
Labels on a bottle of sleeping pills that says "Warning, may cause drowsiness"
Labels on bottles of beer that says "Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery"
Labels on Lego toys that says "Choking hazard, do no swallow"
Labels on packets of peanuts that says "This product may contain trace amounts of peanuts and other tree nuts"
Labels on windshield covers that says "Never drive with the cover on your windshield"
Labels on Batman Halloween costumes that says "PARENT: Please exercise caution - mask and chest plate are not protective; cape does not enable wearer to fly"
Labels on hairdryers that says "Do no use in shower" |
Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:16:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
Kinda like putting a paper bag over you're head and saying that everyone looking at you cant see you purely because you cant see them?
Even tho the evidence given by yourselves, is right there infront of you.... deny till the end right?
I mean it worked for US Govt Re 9/11 not being an inside job right? Should work for the goons too!
and Stella SGP - those are mostly US Sanctioned warning labels, they have them over here too. Perhaps with Iceland tho there's less chance of inbreeding and retards getting into the FDA and polotics yes? |
Quantessa
134th Imperial Hussars
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:25:00 -
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I don't support botting.
I don't have any issue though with an Alliance declaring rules of not grassing up people for doing it. Other players can do it, Gms can try to detect it and so on.
In real life if I park on a yellow line it's a fair cop if I get caught but I'd find it completely unacceptable if a mate called the Feds to grass me up.
Outlawing the practice of informing on people is not the same as legalising a practice.
And if you don't like Goon CSMs vote for someone else and encourage others to do likewise. |
Abrazzar
134
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:31:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
I don't know what's more sad, this obvious troll or people falling for it. 
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
113
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:33:00 -
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Quantessa wrote:I don't support botting.
I don't have any issue though with an Alliance declaring rules of not grassing up people for doing it. Other players can do it, Gms can try to detect it and so on.
In real life if I park on a yellow line it's a fair cop if I get caught but I'd find it completely unacceptable if a mate called the Feds to grass me up.
Outlawing the practice of informing on people is not the same as legalising a practice.
And if you don't like Goon CSMs vote for someone else and encourage others to do likewise.
I'm surprised by the number of taking-it-out-of-context posts on this.
Here's what I said in TL;DR form. Whether you do/don't report bots is up to the individual. Whether an alliance/corp does/does not report or act against bots is up to them too.
But to threaten expulsion if you DO report is a totally different issue. That is NOT for a corp/alliance to say. EVER.
And I'll live with "legalising" is not the same as "outlawing reporting". Fair point.
I should have used "Botting is ratified (pun intended), supported, encouraged and protected by Goons OR ELSE".....
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo! |
Naglfar Nidhoggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:42:00 -
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If Goon A report's Goon B's botting activity and KEEPS HIS MOUTH SHUT then how does anyone know that he reported Goon B?
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
113
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:47:00 -
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Naglfar Nidhoggur wrote:If Goon A report's Goon B's botting activity and KEEPS HIS MOUTH SHUT then how does anyone know that he reported Goon B?
Quote:And for the sensible Goons (are there any?), if you think you can be threatened with expulsion for bot-reporting, just remember that no CEO will know, or can know, if you reported the cheating, thieving SOB!!
QFT
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
48
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:48:00 -
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Everyone knows that the "Report Bot" button is totally anonymous? There is no way anyone can tell they lost their account because of what you did? So if you can get a spy into Goonswarm you fly about, report all the bots, and no one will be the wiser!
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:48:00 -
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Naglfar Nidhoggur wrote:If Goon A report's Goon B's botting activity and KEEPS HIS MOUTH SHUT then how does anyone know that he reported Goon B?
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Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
4
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:53:00 -
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Quantessa wrote:I don't support botting.
I don't have any issue though with an Alliance declaring rules of not grassing up people for doing it. Other players can do it, Gms can try to detect it and so on.
In real life if I park on a yellow line it's a fair cop if I get caught but I'd find it completely unacceptable if a mate called the Feds to grass me up.
Outlawing the practice of informing on people is not the same as legalising a practice.
And if you don't like Goon CSMs vote for someone else and encourage others to do likewise.
But parking on a yellow line isnt hurting anyone.
Botting hurts other eve players and the ENTIRE economy in eve.
would your'e "mates" ethics get you to turn a blind eye to the fact a friend of yours held up the local grocer and robbed them?
would you're "mates" ethics prevent you from calling an ambulance for someone purely because the person is need is someone you and your mate absoltuely hate/loathe?
Rules are put in place for a reason, not to be pick/chosen on regards to the occasion, and certainly not to be ridiculed or scrutanized by complete randoms that think they know better purely because the rule doesnt tickle their fancy.
I think CCP should take rules against botting further:
If you know about someone botting, and there is evidence to prove which you knew but never acted - you're also up for the same ban as the person whom was actualy using the bot.
in real life, if you know someone who held up a bank or a grocery store and you do not let the authorities know, you're guilty by association.
Eve is real, right? so lets get with the real punishment that needs to be dished out to the real arrogant wankers that think they're above/beyond eve's T&C/EULA. Tho, that would require CCP to grow a pair, which i realy dont think will happen any time soon.
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