I, for one, am ashamed to learn that there are people not only taking part in but also members of our leadership conding this behavior.

I, for one, am ashamed to learn that there are people not only taking part in but also members of our leadership condoning this behavior.

edit: spelling, and hounour

Nope, not the end. Your conceit is just that - conceit. I am a non goon, never been a goon, but you sir do NOT speak for all of us. And for the record, making blanket statements like "all goons" is like saying "black people". It stereotypes and shows a lack of respect for pilots as individuals when you treat an entire group as if they've all committed a crime. Anti-goon bigotry in-game isn't much different than anti-whoever bigotry out of game. Your bias couldn't be more clear, and it calls into question YOUR statements as well.

As to the believability of Goonswarm or its entities, you just have to take everything with a grain of salt. I've listened to Mittani's interviews, blogs, and statements from various Goon authorities - and while I'd never say, attempt to buy a supercarrier from them without using Chribba escrow, or believe them if they said I had to pay 100 million isk to join their alliance, there is a whole lot that goons, especially the CSM, say that is quite verifiable from plenty of other sources. I just think its shortsighted and disrespectful to say that everything that comes out of every goon mouth is a lie. That kind of rhetoric doesnt help anyone.

Many of the goons are good sports about realizing that this is a just a game, and while they may play the game ruthlessly on the server, many make an effort to separate in-character deceit and treachery (which is normal gameplay), and their statement made objectively about the game in general when discussing mechanics on the forums and such. A lot of us are smart enough and willing to take the time and listen to know the difference, i'm sorry that you need to categorize, simplify, and treat them all the same.



I have a functioning brain stem, and I use it to observe and make judgements about the state of the game as well. I've been playing the game for two years, lived and operated in just about every slice of space from Jita to the the fringes of 0.0. Faction Warfare is my home and my primary activity, but I travel extensively, in pursuit of pew pew and some of the lootable resources that can only be found in 0.0. To this day, I have yet to observe ANY evidence of players using bots, and certainly not on any kind of scale. I still don't see what the big deal is, honestly there are enough players that rat, mine, and pew for 16 out of 24 hours (the others being devoted to sleep), so economically I could care less if someone uses a bot to automate income for the other 8. Its cheesy, and I hope they die in a fire and lose any implants they're stupid enough to bot in, but I fail to seem them or their hobbies as being a game-destroying factor on any kind of massive scale.

I say if you really want to police activity in-game, go do it!! Form a bot posse and spend all your time hunting bots. Take notes, post evidence to people like me that doubt this is a major scourge on New Eden, and report them to the authorities. But if you're too lazy to do that, than you can't than whine because another group in the game isn't doing that. The Goon leadership's statements seem pretty reasonable to me, just as CCP's security policy seems also reasonable. (Go ahead, say it, its not the first time I've been called a goon alt or CCP alt. )

We have this issue in militia too - whether or not to shoot purples that are causing trouble. Or that are engaging in questionable behavior. Going crazy and shooting purples or blues because of SUSPECTED, unverifiable, actions, cause far more diplomatic headaches than it does solve problems. It's a knee-jerk reaction solution to problem pilots that has implications that end up affecting a lot of innocent people in the process.

If you see botting, report it. If you're not around to see it, don't whine that others arent spending all their time policing it. Or better yet, provide some concrete evidence that "it" actually exists on a massive scale.

There are soooooo many issues that are in plain sight that need fixing right now, going on a witchhunt ghostbuster campaign against a phantom threat just seems like a major waste of time when there is a system in place to deal with these matters. Even more of a waste of time is a campaign against others who aren't out also campaigning to hunt ghosts.

It's 'condoming', not 'conding'. jesus christ l2spell

That's "behaviour" in English, actually.

(E-honour = SRS BZNS, after all.)

I've never known a CSM, someone which the eve community looks up too

I hope you're kidding.

Hey OP, you're asking for an unenforceable rule. It's like the "no running" rule in elementary school.

btw: You Goon guys have been very active in this thread and I really do appreciate you dropping by. If you're doing anything, your're proving Mittani's sheep theory. Keep up the good work. Post stays high on the list too. Win/Win

This is exactly why this thread is a waste of time and nothing will be done. He is asking for something that can never be proven. Even if any alliance were to openly admit to anything in forum post, its still just a forum post, unless of course you want to start using forum post as indisputable evidence for anything..... which is kind a.....

WELCOME TO THE INTERWEBZ

how are you not in amok. yet

Actually I don't think it is unenforceable at all.

Here's the logic.

Disregarding what can currently occur under the EULA add this one simple line...

>>> Alliance/corp is fined for EVERY bot detected, escalating on subsequent offenses.

The justification for this is where an alliance/corp has ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY or PROVIDED A HAVEN for bots then they must also be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for bots.

Either the alliance gets VERY proactive against bots or it's going to hurt.

..oo00oo..

btw: You Goon guys have been very active in this thread and I really do appreciate you dropping by. If you're doing anything, your're proving Mittani's sheep theory. Keep up the good work. Post stays high on the list too. Win/Win

I heard this is the place to find a rub and a tug. C/D

**** goons