You fear mongering anti-bot guys should all make an alliance called Bot Crusaders and go around wrecking anyone that doesn't pass some vague list of requirements for proof that they are not a bot.

Call if the New McCarthyism, anyone who does not conform to your ridiculous list of requirements, is to be considered a dirty nefarious bot lover, and be expelled from the game immediately with extreme prejudice.

I'm just as much anti-botting as the next guy, having a relatively long history with online games (since the mid 90s), I have seen too many games go down in flames from exploitation and whatnot, to NOT be vehemently anti-botting, BUT... neither am I about to start a witch hunt or become the McCarthy of EVE, I mean ffs people, think it through a bit for once.

I'm getting the feeling that people tried the "nice" route on extinguishing bots. After throwing all their pillows at the Botters and CCP all people have left are fire and pitchforks..

Working as intended..

Not only is it not our job to actively fight rule breaking, it's largely beyond our capability. No one has given you a link on how to detect bots, because as a player you can't. We cannot tell if key presses are being sent WHILE a player is seemingly away from the keyboard, etc. Of course we should report suspected cases of rule breaking, but it's obvious at this point that such is not sufficient to put anything more than a scratch on the botting/RMT problems in this game.

Scripts should be running to detect suspicious behavior. Each bot script will leave very identifiable patterns in the data. If these patterns are looked for by scripts, then you essentially make them recode their bots so often that it ceases to be profitable. If we can tell a given player is probably a bot, then such can be done much more easily by CCP.

edit: I did consider taking you seriously and explain the whole "warping to the sun" thing.
I would link you a website with the relevant code of a popular mission bot and you would answer "oh no, I don't know anything about programming you'll have to explain!" before even looking at it (after all all variable & method names are highly descriptive so the code is basically plain English...)
then I would write some wall of text.......*writes wall of text*

Catching botters is hard. It's always a game of cat and mouse with those guys. Just when you catch onto something and go, "Ah ha! Got you!" the botters will find some new way to make your life miserable. It's just like the antivirus industry. The people writing good malware are really smart. It takes someone just as smart to rip apart their stuff, figure out how it all works, and then figure out how to fix it all.

You fear mongering anti-bot guys should all make an alliance called Bot Crusaders and go around wrecking anyone that doesn't pass some vague list of requirements for proof that they are not a bot.

Call if the New McCarthyism, anyone who does not conform to your ridiculous list of requirements, is to be considered a dirty nefarious bot lover, and be expelled from the game immediately with extreme prejudice.

I'm just as much anti-botting as the next guy, having a relatively long history with online games (since the mid 90s), I have seen too many games go down in flames from exploitation and whatnot, to NOT be vehemently anti-botting, BUT... neither am I about to start a witch hunt or become the McCarthy of EVE, I mean ffs people, think it through a bit for once.

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I do however, have huge reservations about CCP banning players based on suspicion alone.

that's the site I was referring to: http://www.reportbots.com/university/

You fear mongering anti-bot guys should all make an alliance called Bot Crusaders and go around wrecking anyone that doesn't pass some vague list of requirements for proof that they are not a bot.

Call if the New McCarthyism, anyone who does not conform to your ridiculous list of requirements, is to be considered a dirty nefarious bot lover, and be expelled from the game immediately with extreme prejudice.

I'm just as much anti-botting as the next guy, having a relatively long history with online games (since the mid 90s), I have seen too many games go down in flames from exploitation and whatnot, to NOT be vehemently anti-botting, BUT... neither am I about to start a witch hunt or become the McCarthy of EVE, I mean ffs people, think it through a bit for once.

lol its the professional apologist... once pro RMT now pro botting...
love the anti-botter hate, then the "im as much anti bot as anyone" lol
pick one dude an stick with it. Stop trying to play both sides against the middle

Get out.

This applies to everyone in this thread.

Dont you mean everyone in the game?

Glad I took my friends' advice an made Mendolus a red bar that says "view post" if that quote was his reply lol
I like his argument style though, "MT isnt bad but Im against it" just like the stance here lol
dud youre funny. Almost sad all I see is the red bar. Might reconsider that..

Dont you mean everyone in the game?

Glad I took my friends' advice an made Mendolus a red bar that says "view post" if that quote was his reply lol
I like his argument style though, "MT isnt bad but Im against it" just like the stance here lol
dud youre funny. Almost sad all I see is the red bar. Might reconsider that..

Goon alliance botting their face off non-shocker.

No. YOU just said that. I actually said the opposite.

Some of you however seem to feel, given your protestations of misconduct and insinuations that we're willfully turning a blind eye, that we're missing something.

Here's your way to do something about that... if you know something's going on instead of making a post on the internet enlighten me. Send me the piles of information you clearly have to be making this determination and help me out a bit. I see a lot of posturing and mudslinging but thus far I've seen 0 people actually doing anything more than posturing on a forum.

Either you have evidence to be making your statements or you don't. If you do, the way to get it dealt with if you're really serious and not just making posts for attention which I can't IMAGINE anyone doing on the internet, is to send it to me. As a matter of fact, go ahead and post, but then send your information to me. If you're not doing that I can only assume you're full of poo, because I can't fathom someone actually having a reason to know something's occurring and claiming they want to see an end to it so badly that they don't actually do the one thing that could get it resolved.

With all due respect, you seem a bit ignorant on the mechanics of detecting a bot. As players, our ability to gather hard evidence on these activities is very limited. We do not have access to the piles of information that you do. You are asking us for more than we can give you. If you are expecting us to provide you with all the data needed to confirm a given player account is indeed botting, then it is no surprise that the botting issue has not been addressed in a meaningful way. Most often, suspicion is all we have.

If botting is going to be stopped, it will not originate from the player base. More and more people are botting because there is a well founded perception that you are not doing anything to actively hunt down these rule breakers. And your attacks on our concerns in this thread do not help that perception. All you had to do was say "we will look into this." Sorry to have bothered you with suspicions of sanctioned rule breaking in your game

Also, I'm amazed you seem to think that the player base has ANY confidence in you to enforce the rules of your game fairly. You sir, are the one that is full of poo.