I think CCP should take rules against botting further:

If you know about someone botting, and there is evidence to prove which you knew but never acted - you're also up for the same ban as the person whom was actualy using the bot.

in real life, if you know someone who held up a bank or a grocery store and you do not let the authorities know, you're guilty by association.

Eve is real, right? so lets get with the real punishment that needs to be dished out to the real arrogant wankers that think they're above/beyond eve's T&C/EULA. Tho, that would require CCP to grow a pair, which i realy dont think will happen any time soon.

But parking on a yellow line isnt hurting anyone.


Botting hurts other eve players and the ENTIRE economy in eve.


would your'e "mates" ethics get you to turn a blind eye to the fact a friend of yours held up the local grocer and robbed them?

would you're "mates" ethics prevent you from calling an ambulance for someone purely because the person is need is someone you and your mate absoltuely hate/loathe?


Rules are put in place for a reason, not to be pick/chosen on regards to the occasion, and certainly not to be ridiculed or scrutanized by complete randoms that think they know better purely because the rule doesnt tickle their fancy.


I think CCP should take rules against botting further:

If you know about someone botting, and there is evidence to prove which you knew but never acted - you're also up for the same ban as the person whom was actualy using the bot.

in real life, if you know someone who held up a bank or a grocery store and you do not let the authorities know, you're guilty by association.


Eve is real, right? so lets get with the real punishment that needs to be dished out to the real arrogant wankers that think they're above/beyond eve's T&C/EULA. Tho, that would require CCP to grow a pair, which i realy dont think will happen any time soon.

But to threaten expulsion if you DO report is a totally different issue. That is NOT for a corp/alliance to say. EVER.

Corporations can do literally anything that is not against the EULA. That includes telling their members how to conduct themselves if they wish to remain a part of the corp.

Now, botting is against the EULA. However, failing to report someone for botting is not. Therefore, it is entirely within a corporation or alliances rights to demand that its members not report bots. If the members have a problem with it, the solution is simple: Leave the corp.

Bingo. Someone gets it.

This pro-bot "laugh-in-your-face" stance by Goons needs to be hard-lined by CCP. Right now.

The Goons on the CSM, OUR ELECTED (apparently) player representatives, need to be booted out. Period.

If Goon A report's Goon B's botting activity and KEEPS HIS MOUTH SHUT then how does anyone know that he reported Goon B?

And by allowing one, well-justified blue-shooting case to go unpunished we basically open the portal to a hellish other-dimension of horror and chaos which ends with GÇ£hilariouslyGÇ¥ wrecked amok freighters on the VFK undock. Which sounds good but involves a lot of paperwork.

The correct approach is to speak to your CEO, who will submit form 240a together with the mandatory handling fee of 150 million ISK to the overworked diplomacy team, who will curse me loudly for putting that in there then go about finding a solution. Trust me: they have his number on speed-dial by now.

Your tears are delicious.

In a game where everyone bots; the only thing left to do is bot. Seriously, the onus is on CCP to fix the game, not the players.

A point the Op needs to take on board:

This is essentially the alliance saying: don't shoot your mouth off, don't cause internal ructions that damage us all, pass to the diplomats who will sort it out. While you may disagree with that, CCP have set a precedent, if they see that the Goons directors are doing their bit to limit the rule breaking they will be happy.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah ..........

the **** should i care.

Fair comment and point is taken on board.

Except....

I'm not talking about blue shootings am I?

IMHO OP read too much into this. To me it reads "we have rules about harming other members, however in some cases...".

There is obviously a fine line between keeping your members from blowing each other up/reporting bullshit and preventing your members from embarressing your corp.

In UO I held a botter from a major guild for ransom in public and got paid, you don't want this to happen to your corp, I milked thier shame, lol [WAKA]s

shoot your mouth off, does not mean shooting with lasers...

Source?
I'm not doubting you, it'd just take someone INCREDIBLY THICK to post an alliance update which condones botting that obviously.

Cared enough to tell us you don't care. Much appreciated.

As you were.

As far as the bit that states if you report any member of GSF for botting you will be kicked.
Well all things considered, that in of itself is actually within their rights.
(CCP does not enforce corp or alliances rules in regaurds to recruiting or removal of members)
As for the rest, well that is up to CCP.

All things considered if the OP was really concerned they should have sent the message to CCP under a petition and let them figure it out.

To that I say TROLL........

Notice even how he was carefull enough not to make any direct mention to botting whatsoever. Dude understands the legal system and he does his best to bend the rules thats why people call him a jerk. He bends, but he doesn't breaks.. so anyone who complains is just doing useless whining because nothing is going to be done about it.

To the OP. C'est la vie.

Hey. Yer. Fair point again.

Except....

"don't cause internal ructions that damage us all"
How? Reporting is anom and it's not discussed by CCP. Dare me to say Goons need to control who is/isn't reported? Why?

Either way, it's NOT their call. Ever.

As soon as any player reports a bot to another player he has removed the anonymity assured by reporting directly to CCP. Hence my absolute conviction that the process of reporting/not reporting bots is NOT and nor should it be, an alliance issue.

CCP need to make this very, very clear.

So you are fine that deliberate, publicised condoning of EULA breaches is kosher and any act to report said EULA breach will get you booted?


I seriously hope they do! The source is a matter of public record. As OP what I want to know is whether this is a clear and deliberate condoning and protection of players that breach the EULA.

This forum has been done to death regardng bots and the oppostion to it is pronounced and unequivocable. To encourage EULA breaches from an alliance that has CSM members smacks of hypocrisy and tells every player that botting is fine - Mittani's boys said so and CCP did nought about it!


To that I say LOL

There is nothing on the EULA that states that i am required to report a bot when i see one and there never will be because recognizing a BOT is by default done entirely by the use of circumstantial evidence. So you cannot punish me because i haven't reported someone who i can't prove with 100% certainty is a bot.

And since nobody is OBLIGED to report a bot, they can't punish anyone from strongly suggesting that someone else under his command doesnt do it either. Reporting a bot is your right? Well, so is speaking in local chat... and nobody does jackshit about alliance leaders who kick members for speaking in local chat.