Im soon to be kicked for shootin blues so ill share some sekrets:
Only dumb goons bot in goonswarm fed. We teamed up with DRF ages ago and run big bot teams in the dronelands. You dont get invited to the drone botting crew until you are somewhat trusted so the problems here are more to do with the newbloods.
Top tier goons do not bot because our ccp insiders have hooked up some great 'perks'. If you submit invention jobs in dek with a certain item as a part of the job you get a guaranteed bpc return x10. There is also a key combination you can press when in the refine screen which gives 600% returns. Only the illuminati get access to these though for obvious reasons. Mittens retired so early because his sweet RMT empire which has been funded by these perks. I heard he is on his way to owning a nice property in the Sechelles.

Really botting is nothing compared to whats really going on!!

Let's leave no room for error here. For there is an Option 4 and the best one in my opinion. Stay in the Alliance in this case GSF and report the **** out of every botter you see. You are perfectly protected and don't need to say a damn thing to your corrupt ass leadership..

GO HARD!

Wrong
A person or persons in the Goon leadership have stated, not the alliance.
And once again it comes down to I am telling you go jump off that bridge.
My response is, that is nice you first.

Now if player (A) reported player (B) for botting to director (C)
Can any of the above be banned.
NO

IT is all talk, and nothing more.
CCP makes the determination if a person is a Botter not the players.

I know you can't be this blind or ignorant or just plain stupid. The point being made here is that the botter would not be reported. Saying "Come tell us and we'll handle it.." is bullshit. It will just be swept under the rug and nothing done about it except for a few Goon boardroom lulz..

They also give a sense in so many words that if you report them its like "snitching" to CCP. This is false, you aren't going to tell some Reds about how you're coming to take their space and how you plan on doing it. You are reporting someone who is abusing/cheating in the game. Its outside the spectrum of breaking your loyalty to the Alliance. It's getting heaters.out of a game that does not allow/accept this type of "cheating".. CCP gives you an inch you scabs take a mile and null with it..

Wrong
A person or persons in the Goon leadership have stated, not the alliance.
And once again it comes down to I am telling you go jump off that bridge.
My response is, that is nice you first.

Now if player (A) reported player (B) for botting to director (C)
Can any of the above be banned.
NO

IT is all talk, and nothing more.
CCP makes the determination if a person is a Botter not the players.

I hate botters as much as the next pilot, but reporting a blue player to CCP because they're botting all day and not taking your calls is pretty crappy thing to do in ANY alliance.

Anyway, ...
Argueing with stupid sheep makes you look stupid too, so please stop.


Yours sincerely,
Daddy. ^^

Edit: We've got Kangaroos in Sch+¦nbrunn. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch+¦nbrunn_Zoo)

Correct.

Except Goons HAVE assumed responsibility by saying "Thou shalt only report to thy leadership". Since when did Goons (or anyone) start accepting responsibility for actions against EULA violations?

They are VERY quick to say it's CCP's problem ("we're not cops for CCP") but disallow CCP intervention as a policy.

In the past CCP has contacted alliance directors and ordered them to bring their alliance into line when individual members of that alliance have gone against the EULA examples I can remember from the goons include:
Posting of common world war 2 german phrases in local. (referring to Germans as being members of a certain political persuasion)
General Spam in local. (lag causing)
Creation of phallic shaped can arrangements in space. (obviously inappropriate)
Naming of Stations with names that are not approved by CCP. (comical and direct enough to make it to fanfest)
In all these cases a CCP GM contacted either a director or alliance CEO and insisted that individual police the alliance and limit the rule breaking.

Since CCP made them assume responsibility for members breaking the EULA:



CCP set the precedent. Now like all good organisations they have found a way to use it.

It all comes down to whether or not you want to do what's best for yourself (or your corp/alliance), or what's best for the game.

If someone comes to me and says that they've seen a PIE member botting, I'll tell them to report it to CCP. If I ever see a PIE member botting, I'll report them myself.

That's because I don't want to "win" Eve at the expense of destroying the game.

Just another reason never to return to 0.0.

Moving on from that, has there been any bot banned at all from no petition raised about it?

Has CCP banned bots from no leads what so ever? Think about it.

So Goons have internal rules of conduct, who'd have thought!

You can be damn sure the exact same thing applies to all major alliances/blocs. Botting ISK is just too good, too easy and almost completely without repercussions if/when caught.

CCP needs to up the ante and hold space owners accountable for what transpires within their space.

Only then will bots become truly hunted prey.

On top of the personal warnings/bans, alliances should be hit with:
- First offence, a massive fine based on blown-out-of-proportion numbers that RIAA made so popular in the kangaroo court system of the colonies.
- Second offence, warnings to the entire leadership.
- Third offence, banning of leadership and forced dissolution of alliances involved.

There, fixed the botting problem. Next!

So, I apply to join a hostile alliance with 3 alts, set them off botting, then report them one at a time with my main. After the third report, the entire hostile alliance gets Haargoth'd, losing all of their sovereignty and assets, and all their leaders are banned, preventing them from co-ordinating any form of defence.

Yes, clearly there is no way this could ever be abused!

So, I apply to join a hostile alliance with 3 alts, set them off botting, then report them one at a time with my main. After the third report, the entire hostile alliance gets Haargoth'd, losing all of their sovereignty and assets, and all their leaders are banned, preventing them from co-ordinating any form of defence.

Yes, clearly there is no way this could ever be abused!

I think this Goonswarm Federation take the game a bit too seriously.

Your tears are delicious.

In a game where everyone bots; the only thing left to do is bot. Seriously, the onus is on CCP to fix the game, not the players.

Sure, if CCP takes your word at face value, automates the entire system, doesn't investigate anything and talks to no one but you .. that would indeed be the result. There is of course the little matter of you being banned as well, since CCP is perfectly capable of tracing the ownership of alts