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ian papabear
The Syndicate Inc LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
17
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:ian papabear wrote:lots of people are posting stuff like they are good people in real life but becasue its a game they can act however they want, i wouldnt mind observing them in real life and if you are the good person you claim to be in real life why act like a jackass in game? thats just being fake. Role Playing Game Look this up.
thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? do you think that behavior is fine? do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FJBdQUAO4 |

ian papabear
The Syndicate Inc LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
17
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:47:00 -
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this is why you dont bother with threads like these, all the trolls pop up. "oh hey its okay im allowed to make fun of that players mom who just recently died because im really a good person in real life" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FJBdQUAO4 |

Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
1
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:53:00 -
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- i've never been a miner IRL. i own a hulk. - i've never been a truck driver. i own a fenrir. - i've never been a naval commander. i own a sleipner.
come to think of it, i've never been in space either. 
should be reasonably easy to spot the difference. |

EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:41:00 -
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ian papabear wrote:I have to agreen that your ingame personality is a mild or an exact representation of the person you are in real life. But in the end you cant dictate a persons action nor can you judge them. If they want to act like a moron and ruin the player expereicne for others why disrespecting, insulting, and griefing then so be it. I personally stay away from the above because firstly I wasnt raised to act like that in real life, my mother didnt instill me with values on how to ruin a persons mood. in addition to that i plan on becoming a police officer and simply put im not going to be a hypocrit and exhibit that behavior and at the same time try to do something that only people who have integrity, compassion, bravery deserve. im not above anyone, but i am above certain actions and trolling is just something that i will not and can not do.
You know it's really 2012 when you read posts that make ethical sense on the EvE forums.
The griefer part of the playerbase does not roleplay, nor considers EvE as a game. It's more of an online Schadenfreude generator for them, since they can get cheap kicks out of getting some random dude to emorage, collect "tears" (lol so randum XD), and possibly get the griefee/gankee/scamee to quit, which is the supreme prize for them, albeit a very bizarre one if you consider this is a multiplayer game, that requires multiple people to enjoy it.
This griefer population uses ingame assets as a means to an end, that is, getting people furious. They could be dirt poor and fly t1 hulls, they don't care at all as long as they grief and make people mad.
The gamers, who usually play games for fun and enjoy roleplaying to a varying degree, share a basic and tacit agreement that in order for everyone to have fun, you shouldn't be an ars*hole. Moreover, they see the game (character, assets etc) as an end in itself, not as a means to make random strangers ragequit and break their keyboard.
It's heartening to see that after all these years the griefer part of the playerbase actually gets told and exposed as what they are: an online nuisance in virtual worlds. They are the ones who forced Ultima Online into shards, and force every MMO since then to hardcode PvP limitations and separate servers according to PvP or the lack thereof.
Should all gamers respect each other and consider online worlds as tools to roleplay, making virtual assets as ends in themselves and not as means to make their fellow gamer mad, there would not be need ever for PvP limitations. It could be FFA everywhere all the time, and that would not cause any problem, since common decency would be unconsciously applied. |

Din Chao
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:52:00 -
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Too-Boku wrote:You nerds are closely examining the decline- but conveniently ignoring where the tracking begins.
This is why people troll you and grief you ingame.
YOU NERDS ARE TAKING THIS GAME WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Yup, you're dumb. |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
195
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:56:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:EDIT: I mean offence to anyone, just sayin that Goons gonna goon. Pretty much this.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2422
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:15:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Too-Boku wrote:You nerds are closely examining the decline- but conveniently ignoring where the tracking begins.
This is why people troll you and grief you ingame.
YOU NERDS ARE TAKING THIS GAME WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Yup, you're dumb.
Absolutely correct.
The original comment that the graphs were pulled up to refute was that there has been a sharp and sustained decline in violent crimes over the last couple of decades... which ironically is EXACTLY what those graphs show.
Coincidentally, the 90's is when the internet and online gaming was just starting to become available to the masses.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2423
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:38:00 -
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ian papabear wrote:Lord Zim wrote:ian papabear wrote:lots of people are posting stuff like they are good people in real life but becasue its a game they can act however they want, i wouldnt mind observing them in real life and if you are the good person you claim to be in real life why act like a jackass in game? thats just being fake. Role Playing Game Look this up. thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? do you think that behavior is fine? do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do
I have often run gaming sessions for my children. my characters have scared them, have outraged them, have killed them, have been killed by them, and have challenged them to the limits of their abilities and imagination.
They loved every minute of it and are far more straight laced and are of stronger moral fiber than I ever was at their age. They still pester me to run game sessions for them to this day, and my elder son is 30.
It's ROLE PLAYING, by definition you are portraying a character that has a personality that is often very, very different from your own.
Here's a newsflash.
Harrison Ford isn't really a hero, he's an actor. Alfred Hitchcock wasn't a psychotic killer, but he made up and produced movies about great ones. Your friend that plays Dungeons and Dragons isn't really a Paladin or an Assassin. I have never committed homicide, and have no desire to... nor would I if I could easily get away with it.
People who believe otherwise have difficulty discerning the difference between fantasy and reality, what is real from make believe, and because of that limitation tend to project motivations on people that are role playing or acting that aren't really there.
They also tend to take events in a game far, far to seriously.
Now that fella that starts making fun of someone's mother that just died in real life? Yeah, he's a jerk.
But he's not a jerk because he blew up someones Mac in high sec, or declared war on your corp. He's a jerk because he took things beyond the game environment in a malicious manner. He left the realm of role playing and fantasy behind and took advantage of his anonymity to try and hurt you emotionally in real life.
That's where the line is drawn, because if his blowing up your imaginary pixels and laughing maniacally in a virtual role playing game about space ships causes you emotional distress in real life then the issue lies in your own head... not his. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Ghazu
193
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:08:00 -
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Hey I don't gank people ingame I must be a goddamn saint irl. |

Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1831
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:20:00 -
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If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?
Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
49
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:33:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:- i've never been a miner IRL. i own a hulk. - i've never been a truck driver. i own a fenrir. - i've never been a naval commander. i own a sleipner. come to think of it, i've never been in space either.  should be reasonably easy to spot the difference. having said that, IRL I take the **** out of people that talk ****. I am a real life rockhound I dig, trench, and sift, I'm a miner, I own a mackinaw. I have driven 18 Wheelers cross country, I own a fleet of industrials, I am a courier. I have been in the navy,army reservist and mercenary contractor, I have a SNI. and I have been spaced out more then once IRL, I am a true space cadet. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
256
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:39:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:ian papabear wrote:Lord Zim wrote:ian papabear wrote:lots of people are posting stuff like they are good people in real life but becasue its a game they can act however they want, i wouldnt mind observing them in real life and if you are the good person you claim to be in real life why act like a jackass in game? thats just being fake. Role Playing Game Look this up. thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? do you think that behavior is fine? do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do I have often run gaming sessions for my children. My characters have scared them, have outraged them, have killed them, have been killed by them, and have challenged them to the limits of their abilities and imagination. They loved every minute of it and are far more straight laced and are of stronger moral fiber than I ever was at their age. They still pester me to run game sessions for them to this day, and my elder son is 30. It's ROLE PLAYING, by definition you are portraying a character that has a personality that is often very, very different from your own. Here's a newsflash. Harrison Ford isn't really a hero, he's an actor. Alfred Hitchcock wasn't a psychotic killer, but he made up and produced movies about great ones. Your friend that plays Dungeons and Dragons isn't really a Paladin or an Assassin, he's a nerd. I have never committed homicide, and have no desire to... nor would I if I could easily get away with it. People who believe otherwise have difficulty discerning the difference between fantasy and reality, what is real from make believe, and because of that limitation tend to project motivations on people that are role playing or acting that aren't really there. They also tend to take events in a game far, far to seriously. Now that fella that starts making fun of someone's mother that just died in real life? Yeah, he's a jerk. But he's not a jerk because he blew up someones Mac in high sec, or declared war on your corp. He's a jerk because he took things beyond the game environment in a malicious manner. He left the realm of role playing and fantasy behind and took advantage of his anonymity to try and hurt you emotionally in real life. That's where the line is drawn, because if his blowing up your imaginary pixels and laughing maniacally in a virtual role playing game about space ships causes you emotional distress in real life then the issue lies in your own head... not his.
By your own logic, Charlie Sheen isn't a womanizer, alky, self-absorbed jackass, he just plays one on TV....Oh wait.....
And Harrison Ford plays the characters he would like to be in real-life, like many actors and actresses. If your going to spin something, you should have tried a different yarn.....
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4717
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:41:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?
Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within.
This is untrue because you're forgetting one crucial fact: 'eve online' is a game please leave |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1482
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?
Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within. This is untrue because you're forgetting one crucial fact: 'eve online' is a game Do people always act like this when they lose a ship or get trolled in Jita local by an isk doubler/tripler etc? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
680
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:45:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Posting in a blog traffic promotion thread.
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Tiberius Amzadee
The Omega Sovereign Flux Initiative
36
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:49:00 -
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"If you're an arse in the game, you're an arse outside the game ..." Hey I take offence to that! I may take pleasure in taking away or ruining the lives of thousands of make believe men,women,and children on star ships,planets,and stations. ...but I'm the nicest person you'll ever meet offline. It's that religious person that loves playing an Amarrian you need to keep an eye on.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
549
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:51:00 -
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EglantinFinfleur wrote:Should all gamers respect each other and consider online worlds as tools to roleplay, making virtual assets as ends in themselves and not as means to make their fellow gamer mad, there would not be need ever for PvP limitations. It could be FFA everywhere all the time, and that would not cause any problem, since common decency would be unconsciously applied. This is one of the funniest pipe dreams I've ever read on these forums. Nothing Found |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1482
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:54:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:EglantinFinfleur wrote:Should all gamers respect each other and consider online worlds as tools to roleplay, making virtual assets as ends in themselves and not as means to make their fellow gamer mad, there would not be need ever for PvP limitations. It could be FFA everywhere all the time, and that would not cause any problem, since common decency would be unconsciously applied. This is one of the funniest pipe dreams I've ever read on these forums. Yeah, people roleplay a capsule pilot that makes other capsule pilots mad.
Because eternity is a *****, or so they told me. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
549
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Posted - 2012.09.18 04:59:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Yeah, people roleplay a capsule pilot that makes other capsule pilots mad.
Because eternity is a *****, or so they told me. I imagine being immortal would get pretty boring at some point, what better way to stay entertained than engineering other's reactions? Nothing Found |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2908
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:00:00 -
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Only a mortal could think immortality would be boring. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
549
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:12:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Only a mortal could think immortality would be boring. Only a mortal could think that immortality could never get boring. Nothing Found |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:21:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Only a mortal could think immortality would be boring. Only a mortal could think that immortality could never get boring. "But there's a trapdoor in the sun..."
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
549
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:25:00 -
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Webvan wrote:"But there's a trapdoor in the sun..." "If you want to touch the sky, just put a window in your eye."
Really not sure where to take this... Nothing Found |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2424
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:51:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:ian papabear wrote:Lord Zim wrote:ian papabear wrote:lots of people are posting stuff like they are good people in real life but becasue its a game they can act however they want, i wouldnt mind observing them in real life and if you are the good person you claim to be in real life why act like a jackass in game? thats just being fake. Role Playing Game Look this up. thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? do you think that behavior is fine? do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do I have often run gaming sessions for my children. My characters have scared them, have outraged them, have killed them, have been killed by them, and have challenged them to the limits of their abilities and imagination. They loved every minute of it and are far more straight laced and are of stronger moral fiber than I ever was at their age. They still pester me to run game sessions for them to this day, and my elder son is 30. It's ROLE PLAYING, by definition you are portraying a character that has a personality that is often very, very different from your own. Here's a newsflash. Harrison Ford isn't really a hero, he's an actor. Alfred Hitchcock wasn't a psychotic killer, but he made up and produced movies about great ones. Your friend that plays Dungeons and Dragons isn't really a Paladin or an Assassin, he's a nerd. I have never committed homicide, and have no desire to... nor would I if I could easily get away with it. People who believe otherwise have difficulty discerning the difference between fantasy and reality, what is real from make believe, and because of that limitation tend to project motivations on people that are role playing or acting that aren't really there. They also tend to take events in a game far, far to seriously. Now that fella that starts making fun of someone's mother that just died in real life? Yeah, he's a jerk. But he's not a jerk because he blew up someones Mac in high sec, or declared war on your corp. He's a jerk because he took things beyond the game environment in a malicious manner. He left the realm of role playing and fantasy behind and took advantage of his anonymity to try and hurt you emotionally in real life. That's where the line is drawn, because if his blowing up your imaginary pixels and laughing maniacally in a virtual role playing game about space ships causes you emotional distress in real life then the issue lies in your own head... not his. By your own logic, Charlie Sheen isn't a womanizer, alky, self-absorbed jackass, he just plays one on TV....Oh wait.....  And Harrison Ford plays the characters he would like to be in real-life, like many actors and actresses. If your going to spin something, you should have tried a different yarn.....
Nice try Bob, but I said when role playing (or acting) you are OFTEN portraying someone with a personality unlike your own.
Charlie Sheen is often type cast, and I am the idol of millions both inside and outside the game ... but that doesn't change the fact that MOST actors are nothing like the majority of the parts they play. Nor are most role players.
The point you so astutely ignored is that the character an actor or person role playing assumes provides little or no insight into how that person actually behaves... and the better the actor or role player is the fewer clues you have.
You know Charlie Sheen is a self absorbed egotist because he has had plenty of press and interviews that lets you make that assumption... not because of the job he did acting in 2 1/2 men. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:51:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Webvan wrote:"But there's a trapdoor in the sun..." "If you want to touch the sky, just put a window in your eye." Really not sure where to take this... I don't know man, but that quote plus the word immortality ranked #1 within 15 minutes on google, linking here.
= Anyway, if people are the same in game as out, does that mean carebears stay hidden in their parents basement 24/7? You could get ganked walking out the front door.
btw I wouldn't have a prob with immortality 
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
550
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:58:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Anyway, if people are the same in game as out, does that mean carebears stay hidden in their parents basement 24/7? You could get ganked walking out the front door. Would it still count as PvP? Nothing Found |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:05:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Webvan wrote:Anyway, if people are the same in game as out, does that mean carebears stay hidden in their parents basement 24/7? You could get ganked walking out the front door. Would it still count as PvP? Eventually, yes, when their parents get tired of them freeloading. Hide the evidence...
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
550
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:07:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Eventually, yes, when their parents get tired of them freeloading. Hide the evidence... My uncle owns a pig farm, we're good. Nothing Found |

Lord Zim
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:22:00 -
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ian papabear wrote:thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? No, I don't. I also don't run around shooting people in the face, yet I happily did that before consoles (and EA) ****** up FPS games. Does that mean that I'm a mass-murderer in training?
ian papabear wrote:do you think that behavior is fine? In games? Well duh, it's the way the game is designed to be played (amongst others).
ian papabear wrote:do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do I do not have kids, but if I did I wouldn't be frothing at the mouth about how evil they are in a game designed in this fashion. |

Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
4
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?
Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within. This is untrue because you're forgetting one crucial fact: 'eve online' is a game heathen. |
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