mkint
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Posted - 2011.07.10 02:43:00 -
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TDF+BTL are two channels where players organize for incursions. There is one governing principle for both chats: If you want to be in the channels, don't try to ruin the fun for everyone else. There are sub-clauses that are in place to ensure the above, including
-no wardecced pilots in fleets,
-no griefers and etc,
-don't prematurely despawn an incursion.
No wardecced pilots because that's a tool griefers use to ruin other peoples' fun. No griefers, because they are out to ruin peoples' fun (list of griefers is maintained through a public blacklist.) And despawning incursions prematurely leaves no opportunity for incursion fun until the next one spawns, which could be several days of station spinning (not fun.)
There are admittedly some shortcomings in the system, but in my experience it's because people who should be blacklisted aren't, not because people who shouldn't are. It would be safe to say that the incursion community's forums are probably a better venue for discussing the weaknesses of the system and how it could be improved.
Be aware folks, the "other" incursion channel was started because an extremely incompetent FC got blacklisted. It appears he may be recruiting people into his chat that are slightly less incompetent than he is, but fleeting out of that chat is still highly dangerous. They take no precautions against griefers and field just awful fleets (armor drake incursion fleets.  ) Anyone who hasn't gotten themselves blacklisted is free to join "The Ditanian Fleet" or "BTL Pub" channels. And even if you are blacklisted, I've seen people get un-blacklisted through appeal.
Regarding the lost ship fund - if an FC loses ships "on a daily basis" that FC is incompetent and should NOT be an FC. Stop being an FC, learn the sites as a regular fleet member, and then FC. The "reluctant leader" is a good FC, the "lookit me! I'm an FC!" is a bad FC. I have never seen a TDF ship replacement fund, only a BTL one, which I understand is financed by voluntary donations and mom-site loot (which to me, I'd rather have the funds available for a lost ship than the 1/60th of the loot value I'd get otherwise, usually something like 10 mil isk.) My favorite FCs ask people to send some isk directly to any individuals who have lost a ship, which with those FCs is extremely rare.
Regarding competing for sites - people who are in the BTL/TDF communities usually will respect "first come first serve" but aren't required to (some FCs will compete whenever they can.) Competition is fun for many people, and since it does not add risk of loss of ships, is not considered griefing and is allowed. (Personally I always encourage my FCs to compete with the incompetent FC who got himself blacklisted.)
TL;DR - the main incursion community is out to have fun and to make sure everybody can have fun with incursions. That means people who are out to ruin the fun are denied the chance to take part as much as is possible. OP, you got suckered by someone who is so incompetent, he's probably a griefer. |