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Riall School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 52	Posted - 2012.09.19 16:41:00 - [31] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: yea... and I wouldn't start any browser wars in this discussion. However if that is something what interests you and you want to read some stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers ...so clearly none of the three (IE/chrome/firefox) is ancient history. Different continents seem to have their own favorite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_by_most_used_web_browser.svg and I find it as good thing that there is still healthy competition to keep the browsers and internet content evolving. How about EMACS vs. VI then? Still waiting on an Eve mode for EMACS... "Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt"
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 355	Posted - 2012.09.19 17:00:00 - [32] - Quote Sentient Blade wrote: Chribba wrote: I browse the web with wget and notepad! Wimp. Real men use the telnet client and type the headers out by hand. BLAH I still get all my info from GOPHER & the USENET Look to your battle gear and it will protect youYour Armour is your SOUL, and your SOUL'S dedication its armourThe soul of a Warrior is the SHIELD of HUMANITY-Part of the Warrior's Catechism of Worship
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 121	Posted - 2012.09.19 17:14:00 - [33] - Quote Creedling wrote: Quote: edit: I think it's cute how you "developers" talk... it's funny. When you've been doing this for nearly four decades get back to me. (PS: software developer since 1980; built first computer from resistor/capacitor up in 1979) Careful guys we're dealing with a badass right here. You stick to your PHP and mySQL and someday you, too, can be awesomely irrelevent.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 152	Posted - 2012.09.19 18:08:00 - [34] - Quote I hate it when i open IE. I have to wait for it to load before i can close it again.
Denidil Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations 523	Posted - 2012.09.19 18:19:00 - [35] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: edit: I think it's cute how you "developers" talk... it's funny. When you've been doing this for nearly four decades get back to me. (PS: software developer since 1980; built first computer from resistor/capacitor up in 1979) just because you've bee doing something a long time doesn't make you good at it. most people i worked in the past with who have been doing it that long just have strongly ingrained bad habits we can never train out of them , bad habits that lead to difficult to maintain code at best, unreliable memory leaky shitcode more commonly. Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 655	Posted - 2012.09.19 18:26:00 - [36] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: 3. No business should have ANY users running unrestricted accounts by default. If they do, their IT guy/consultant/office guru needs to be either fired of b!tch-slapped. Or bought a drink in commiseration. Yes, it's best practice. (Yes, the people I work for have this set up now). But ultimately, you're answerable to management. And you can't do anything without management buy in and agreement. Not if you're a professional (and want to keep your job) And Management, as we all know, can be somewhat, shall we say, moronic. 'What do you mean, I can't install whatever I want and get you to fix it when it breaks? Make it work!' FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3092	Posted - 2012.09.19 18:34:00 - [37] - Quote Posting in a Microsoft hater topic likely populated by Apple users. (Just say NO to iCrap) "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 122	Posted - 2012.09.19 18:39:00 - [38] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: 3. No business should have ANY users running unrestricted accounts by default. If they do, their IT guy/consultant/office guru needs to be either fired of b!tch-slapped. Or bought a drink in commiseration. Yes, it's best practice. (Yes, the people I work for have this set up now). But ultimately, you're answerable to management. And you can't do anything without management buy in and agreement. Not if you're a professional (and want to keep your job) And Management, as we all know, can be somewhat, shall we say, moronic. 'What do you mean, I can't install whatever I want and get you to fix it when it breaks? Make it work!' QFT. +1
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 1090	Posted - 2012.09.19 19:06:00 - [39] - Quote +1 to OP. Everyone should definitely abandon IE forever. Get Firefox or Chrome. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 159	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:02:00 - [40] - Quote I stopped using IE about the same day that Chrome came out, and have never went back. Tried Firefox for a while before Chrome came, but didn't care for it. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs.

Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:08:00 - [41] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: Sentient Blade wrote: Chribba wrote: I browse the web with wget and notepad! Wimp. Real men use the telnet client and type the headers out by hand. ...you mean take dial-up connection to nearest bbbs box to read messages, browse file areas and play games like nethack. and download files in 720k batches @ 300bps things were easier then...
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3363	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:13:00 - [42] - Quote When it comes to other browsers Firefox doesn't feel right and quite frankly I don't trust Big Br...Google, I've used Internet Explorer since version 4.0 and I see no reason to change now. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Destru Kaneda CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 56	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:22:00 - [43] - Quote Bless your heart. Music for all the robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds of this world.
Methesda Apparently Suicidal Alpha Strike 37	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:43:00 - [44] - Quote Plaude Pollard wrote: Wait... People actually use Internet Explorer? Yes. They use it to download Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Eve is about the journey.-á If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Emiko P'eng 25	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:58:00 - [45] - Quote Hehe! Been using Opera since 1997 Humm! What is a vunerable?
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3396	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:11:00 - [46] - Quote Seriously whats so bad about IE9? I've never had an issue with it, it does what its supposed to do, it's minimalistic, and it just works. Or is this just a fanboy/Microhater thing? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Cheshirepus Divinity Rising 3	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:13:00 - [47] - Quote Whenever I find myself in a market hub reading all the ridiculously obvious scams being posted in local and have to ask, "Are there really people that stupid to fall for this?", I remind myself that there are people who still think IE is a viable web browser and it sort of answers my own question. If Microsoft wanted to make a better web browser, they'd write IE11 in such a way that it deleted every bit of every iteration of Internet Explorer, including all source code and development files on every computer that ever received an automatic update in such a way that it could never be compiled again... as if it never even existed. Browser genocide, if you will. IE needs to burn in hell and die a spectacularly fiery death.
Cheshirepus Divinity Rising 3	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:24:00 - [48] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: Seriously whats so bad about IE9? I've never had an issue with it, it does what its supposed to do, it's minimalistic, and it just works. Or is this just a fanboy/Microhater thing? From a user standpoint, IE9 isn't half bad. As a developer, when you find yourself having to constantly check to see if your sites that look exactly the same in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari still look the way they're supposed to in IE6, 7, 8, and 9 (because IE users for some unknown F'ing reason find it distasteful to upgrade their 10 year old web browsers), you start to generate a lot of negative feelings over it. For me, it's not so much hate for IE9... it's hatred for the mess that I have to constantly clean up being forced to dedicate time specifically geared towards making stuff work in 6 - 8, which again, wouldn't be a problem if IE users upgraded their god damn software at least a couple times a decade. I actually dig Microsoft (except for their abortions that they call web browsers).
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3398	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:40:00 - [49] - Quote Cheshirepus wrote: For me, it's not so much hate for IE9... it's hatred for the mess that I have to constantly clean up being forced to dedicate time specifically geared towards making stuff work in 6 - 8, which again, wouldn't be a problem if IE users upgraded their god damn software at least a couple times a decade. Oh man you just described my aunt, she still insists on using Internet Explorer 6 because thats what she was taught how to use the internet with. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 769	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:44:00 - [50] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: Seriously whats so bad about IE9? I've never had an issue with it, it does what its supposed to do, it's minimalistic, and it just works. Or is this just a fanboy/Microhater thing? IE has had a ton of security issues over the years which is one of the main reasons. Other then that their UI was never that good until they took Chromes layout. Also as someone else has stated from a web developers standpoint it can be a major PITA.

Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3398	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:53:00 - [51] - Quote Internet Explorer has been using a somewhat similar layout since version 7, which was before Google released their browser two years later in 2008. Also I believe the mentioned developer said that its not so much IE9 but making things work for legacy versions. I guess in the end it comes down to whatever one is most comfortable using, but while we're on the topic does anyone know when IE10 for Win7 is coming out? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
ISquishWorms 149	Posted - 2012.09.21 00:02:00 - [52] - Quote All browsers have security issues. Run that browser in a sandbox it's the only way to be sure.
Yuwee Vesa Viziam Amarr Empire 133	Posted - 2012.09.21 20:11:00 - [53] - Quote I made the switch to Chrome from Firefox a few months back, the only thing I miss is the bookmarks layout. Apart from that I've only ever use IE to test a couple of websites back in college.
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3467	Posted - 2012.09.21 20:23:00 - [54] - Quote Still wondering when IE10 for Windows 7 is coming out, curious how the security issue OP mentioned doesn't affect IE10. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Corvus Borealis State War Academy Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.09.21 21:11:00 - [55] - Quote Andski wrote: a massive vulnerability in internet explorer? shocking AAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAH
Corvus Borealis State War Academy Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.09.21 21:12:00 - [56] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: Still wondering when IE10 for Windows 7 is coming out, curious why the security issue OP's link mentions doesn't affect IE10. Oh yeah, and according to Wikipedia more people use Internet Explorer than Firefox, so ha! I also found the usage by country image kind of interesting, I wonder why a certain browser would be more used in one country over another. No **** sherlock. Since 90+ % of sold PCs come with IE pre-installed.........................
Corvus Borealis State War Academy Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.09.21 21:12:00 - [57] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Grey Stormshadow wrote: Sentient Blade wrote: Chribba wrote: I browse the web with wget and notepad! Wimp. Real men use the telnet client and type the headers out by hand. ...you mean take dial-up connection to nearest bbbs box to read messages, browse file areas and play games like nethack. and download files in 720k batches @ 300bps things were easier then... Yeah but remember the dial up SOUND?
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3483	Posted - 2012.09.21 21:16:00 - [58] - Quote Corvus Borealis wrote: No **** sherlock. Since 90+ % of sold PCs come with IE pre-installed......................... And I suspect that has something to do with how the majority of PCs come with Windows preinstalled, my dear Mr. Watson. Still it is kind of interesting how certain web browsers seem to be more popular in some countries than others. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Mars Theran Caldari Provisions Caldari State 293	Posted - 2012.09.22 01:12:00 - [59] - Quote Good that they figured this out; now maybe they'll get mine working again. Garbage; don't even know why I use it. If I didn't have Chrome, I wouldn't even have access to the internet. Stupid IE9, which I never wanted, and refused download of a half dozen times or more. Then, they pushed it onto my PC, and forced me to use it, and then it went haywire and stopped working, telling me that everything had Malware on it before closing or just refusing to connect. Fricking ********. Troubleshootong for hours, uninstalling, wiping adobe flash and air, and a bunch of othercrap only to have the same issue after all that. Even cleared, ran CC Cleaner, MBAM'd, and AV in between. Totally reconfigured the network too. Waste of time, and 3-4 weeks later I still have it as default, so other apps automatically try to use it and failscade. IE8 worked fine; IE9 is less than Beta. Unbelievable they make you use it. Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now.
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3576	Posted - 2012.09.22 02:02:00 - [60] - Quote Sometimes I almost wish I had the problems people have with their computers. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine



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