The powergrid nerf on the cane is a bit much imo. It should be able to fit a full rack of 425s + the neuts.

wow 20% reduction in heavy missile damage is a bit too excessive IMHO. Considering the range is also nerf'd a fair bit.

Uhm...cough...did you check on armor cane fittings when you were working out that PG nerf? Because armor cane will be hit really hard by this, there wasn't so much free pg left even with 220mm guns

Aside this, pretty cool changes

With the plethora of evidence you've submitted to support this claim, I don't know how we could ever have doubted this. Thank you, Roime, for helping us all see the clear light of day.

Which other Medium Range Weapons Systems do you think will replace them.

I will give you a hint, it starts with none and ends with none. Not gonna see anymore LOL Medium Beams or LOL Medium Rails, maybe a few 720mm Whelp Boats but only if they have the vaunted double DPS Bonus.

So how does nerfing the good weapons system so none of them are good help EVE Hans. Why can we not see buffs to medium weapons and bonuses so Ferox's, Harbingers and Canes are seen as much as Drakes and keep the Drake as a viable fleet option instead of this Death to Drakes out of spite thing and every other Cruiser that uses Heavy Missiles along with it.

Speaking as a relatively new pilot who doesn't have 50 million+ SP and had the misfortune to choose Caldari... What am I supposed to fly now? HMLs already have fairly weak DPS and a 20% damage nerf means that my ship options for both PVE and PVP are totally gimped.

Drakes have too much tank, fine. HMLs have too much range, fine. But the damage nerf means all Caldari cruiser and battlecruiser hulls now pretty much suck. I realize that drake blobs are an issue in null sec, but seriously.... find a way to nerf drake blobs without totally hosing carebears and small gang PVPers.

As a young player, I have very little cross training. I'm all Caldari ship skills and all missiles. Now I'm looking at what? 6+ months of training before I can be good at flying another race's ships and using another races weapons? Maybe that's not a long time to a lot of vets around here (who are much more likely to be well cross-trained already), but to a 1 year player that's a very long time. I'll wait until the final changes are announced, but I would very seriously consider quitting EVE rather than throwing away the millions of SP I have in soon-to-be-worthless crap, plus basically starting over on my ship/gun progression.

Considering that every other post in this thread mentions that medium hybrids stink... The other Caldari battlecruisers were already worthless. How many Ferroxes and Nagas do you see flying around?

While at extreme ranges HMLs have better DPS than guns, it's weaker at lower ranges, no? Especially when high damage ammo is used, an option that isn't available with missiles. Damage application is not necessarily better with missiles either, it's far from a straight comparison. Missiles do very low damage against fast and/or small sig targets while guns do full damage. Those targets are harder for guns to track, obviously, but when they do hit it's for full damage. With guns there are ways to at least try to lower transversal, but that's impossible to do with missiles.

Again, I don't really care about the range nerf so much, but a 20% damage nerf basically kills HMLs as far as I can see. If you have a real suggestion, I'd be happy to hear it and think it over but I don't think "fly a ferrox" counts as a real suggestion.

Probably even less but their only seems to be 3 or 4 of the usual people supporting this and everyone else hating it.

What happens when the "new thing" that replaces the Drake and Tengu becomes too popular... It's the same old crappy circles that CCP do instead of concentrating on things people have actually asked for.

Indeed it is. Many ships are now going to be viable.

Then what is the point of different races different modules different ships, everything will be the same in your Utopia so it won't matter what we turn up in. I see that the people who don't agree with this now have a name or a label. First rule of dehumanisation.