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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.13 15:10:00 - [1] The familiar face of New EdenÆs favourite anarchist turns towards the camera-drone and itÆs immediately apparent that grave matters are foremost in her mind. Eyes hard and lips pursed; her gaze direct and challenging. ôWe are told the revolution is dead.ö Jade turns to profile then, looking out over the orbital dockyards of Ostingele VII as the terminator brings midnight across the jungles of the world below ôBut what is the revolution that it can live or die? Is it the ships we fly or the guns we send our comrades of the baseline movements across New Eden? Is it the victories we seek or the pride in our accomplishments? Is it the thrill of the chase or the lamentations of our foes? No, I do not think it is any of these things.ö She reaches out and points across the structures built in geostationary orbit around the world the Intaki settlers called Kapda in their own language ôThere! And There! You see the star-points gleaming; those are ships leaving the gravity well with a cargo of vishaal/kakeeda silk that the colonists of Indradhanush city sell at profit to the star cluster. They call this world ôthe great tapestryö and I consider it is well named because looking to this industry on the verge of the atmosphere I see the threads binding the civilization below to the aspirations of all humanity in the bright universe above. I think these people hear the same music of revolution I perceive and rush to embrace it in their own ways.ö In the foreground now the camera-drone shows anarchist crews carrying kit-bags and equipment in-bound from Fraction vessels at the star-docks, young men and women, Intaki, Gallente, Matari, Caldari, Khanid and Amarrian, bright dreams reflected in their laughter and eyes frequently draw to the void beyond the atmosphere shields and Jade watches for a time with the viewer with hard-eyes turned thoughtful now ôThey say the revolution is dead each time we lose a comrade to ennui. That we have lost our way because another falls to the destructive addiction of piracy on the frontier, or the thrill of easy murder, or the lure of violence to fill the greater void within. That our movement falters because we have not devolved go become the thing we fight. That we fail because we care too much. And in truth, the revolution is constantly dying; people do lose hope û even immortals. If one stands and imagines the weight of animosity across the myriad hierarchies and darkling jealousy of tyrants it is easy to despair and lose hope. I lost my first comrade to these things eight years ago. The movement lost its first officers months later. Some were brought to despair at the task ahead of us, some were seduced by the urge to kill and destroy; some were driven mad by the whispering of imperialist memetics below the level of consciousness and took their starships to the deep frontier never to return. And we died the first time in Venal in the wreckage of a Freespace Dream. We died the next time in Domain with faith-broken and dreams in ashes. We died again in Lonetrek with the revolution strapped on the wheel and crippled with indecision. We died (gloriously) in the Great Northern War and dragged the Phoenix Alliance with us to the flames. But we rose to die again thereafter in Delve, in Curse, in the distant Rogue Drone regions, in the Throne Worlds in the tatters of our alliance. Jade now looks full into the camera with the hint of tears in her eyes remembering these times and places and the multitude gone to memory, to legend, or to sadness and solitary exile beyond mention or recall Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.13 15:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/07/2011 15:17:11 ôWe died again in Mito though people mistook our passing for something else. We died in Placid there long ago, though our ailments were misdiagnosed and we crawled back to our feet to die again in war against the slavers in Domain and their bound creatures. Some began to doubt then if we could actually stay dead. But in the months that followed we resolved to try our hardest to suicide as our greatest victory was eclipsed by self-harm and division. We tried to end it all in the furnace of Providence and hurled a multitude of bombers against the largest capital fleet weÆd ever seen but somehow our clones reactivated and the defeat meant even less than our own mortality. I wondered then if perhaps the revolution was not about us and our lives and ships and our individual striving but about something bigger that we merely heard in our souls like some snatch of half-remembered music to summon a childhood dream. But perhaps we simply needed a bigger target. The revolution died again in Tama in a brutal summerÆs fighting against HethÆs legionaries that had the representatives of the Caldari State calling us bullies for employing a Freespace Titan against an Empire. We were unsatisfied at the mortal wounds the State Protectorate offered so we tried to destroy ourselves again in the Ihakana Gulag and died a little bit at least. Surely the 24th Crusade could help. We hurled ourselves into a conflict against an Empire and fought like madmen seeking silence of the grave. We died a hundred times and more, we sacrificed our fleets and our courage and we made a legend of our annihilation and choked our slayers with the unpalatable essence of our death. We died again in Providence. We built ourselves a pyre this time and set the flames around. The revolution pinned and vulnerable and betrayed within and without by traitors and venal politicians, by friends and foes alike and we crouched waiting for a death blow that did nothing but shock us back to life. Perhaps it was the region to blame; we sought our death in other places. We matched our numbers against mighty alliances and small betrayers. We staked all and kept breathing our painful rebirth after each destruction and still somewhere I could hear the music at the edge of my senses that teased me with the knowledge of revolution just beyond the next stargate (or the next). People burn out faster than the stars our immortality will one-day see fade. They lose heart, they lose their faith in others; they lose their hope and dreams. But the revolution well, it dies and is reborn like phoenix from the ashes. It is a revolution for the young or the dead. So we came back to Placid, to this system blessed with the jewel-world Kapda and its beautiful silks and tried with all our hearts to die again. We plunged into battle with pirates and brigands and enclosurist scum at each turn and paid heavy price. Why did we fight? Because somebody has to. Because in the clarity of battle and the moment of defeat we understand exactly what is at stake. So our fighters woke and we roused ourselves to victory even in death and some were reborn again. While others avoided that death and embraced a lesser existence but who are we to judge or condemn when we stand alone and absolute with our moments in the void? So the revolution is dead again. We have fresh martyrs to the cause; comrades departed, hard words and harsh partings. Disagreements and politics, scandals and clashes, past-defeated foes lauding the scent of blood and hounds baying for petty morsels stripped from the bone. Very little changes. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.13 15:14:00 - [3] Jade watches the starscape beyond the planetary shadow now puts a forefinger to her temple blinking damp eyes clear and breathing deeply with fresh resolution before turning back to the camera and speaking with more urgent tempo Yes, the revolution is dead. Truth is it dies every night when we go to sleep. But we are not the revolution, and in the morning it is born again. When we leave, when we fail, when we fall it is we who have died a little not the revolution that has fallen short for us. If we strain our hearing and stand in silence we can still hear that song. I regret each comrade who leaves the cause, I weep for most, I make my eulogies and memorials and I like anyone spend my time in self-doubt and question and anger and then final acceptance of the reality of human nature. We cannot be all things to all men. But ultimately we have only ourselves to decide whether this death will be the final one or we will wake again renewed and rise up to continue the struggle. I am a fighter, I am a revolutionary and I hear the music of freedom. I have been wounded many times and killed more times than I can recall, but like the revolution it will take more than the actions of my enemies to keep me in the grave. I will fight tyranny while I have ships and resources and comrades to join at my side. I will fight oppression while I have a gun in my hands and hope in my heart. I will fight hierarchy with just the knife in my belt to drive into its dark heart. I will fight to my last naked with my fists and teeth and desire to be free. I will never say die and I will never surrender. And nor should you. The Fraction has come to Placid and won our first battles against the enemies of freedom and we now mourn our casualties. We have placed ourselves in the furnace and harms way. We have a long way to go and before we are finished and we will doubtless die again and again with our principles and idealism intact. The Revolution is dead. Long live the Revolution. Join the Revolution!
Half Cocked Jack	Posted - 2011.07.13 15:30:00 - [4] Quite inspiring, Jade. I am sure you will come upon better times soon. Almost, you convince me to abandon my life of comfort and privilege and join your cause.
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.07.13 15:42:00 - [5] Calm and resolute faith. Woman to your knees and to your rank! To your knees with love and adoration; to your rank in steadfast bravery which no foe can cause to quail. Be so strong that you are not afraid to be just. Then take your stand, calm and moveless as the star we will one day, take as our own.. "no distance is too far... no silence is too deep no loneliness too absolute no striving too bitter no sorrow too hard no denial too cruel for my love to come to you" Never give up your dreams. You'll never be alone. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: CCP Fallout Thread lacks monocle. Locked :D.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Moira.	Posted - 2011.07.13 16:44:00 - [6] Fine words Jade. I've only ever seen a few groups do what SF pioneered. Guerilla warfare is often hampered by beaurocrats and red tape. The small taking on the mighty is always admirable, no matter what the agenda. I'll always admire SF's skills, even as I stand against their ideals (I'd make a great Empress...) I guess it's a good thing that corporations I've flown in epitomize these tactics. Have heart, Fraction. I believe guerilla warfare against the great alliances won't be hampered for long. Concord is weak and the individual Pod-pilot is strong. Our small numbers will always conquor the hulking lazy giants. Fly free (for now hehe)! (Blog link in Sig)
Boma Airaken Seekers of a Silent Paradise	Posted - 2011.07.13 17:21:00 - [7] "Everything we do is part of a pattern we have at least some say in. The strong make their own patterns and influence other people's, the weak have their courses mapped out for them." Fly free, continue the pattern.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.07.13 17:59:00 - [8] Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/07/2011 18:01:24 Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/07/2011 18:00:02 there will always be revolution, there will always be rebellion, and always be a need for star fraction idealists, whom against the odds - put ideals higher than profit. Until there is no authority anymore that take advantage over others. great things have been accomplished, and great things lay ahead.. ..i see a book full of empty pages, the revolution is not dead.. look ahead, the past puts your mind in cages. Or with simpler words: "only forward" (Admiral maggot of the Ushra'Khan) recruiting -forum
Maximum Kiely Caldari Kiely and Son Salvage	Posted - 2011.07.13 18:20:00 - [9] Skies darken only for them to lighten Ms. Constantine. May brighter skies find you once again. Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.13 21:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Half **ed Jack Quite inspiring, Jade. I am sure you will come upon better times soon. Almost, you convince me to abandon my life of comfort and privilege and join your cause. There is no need to consider the life of a pauper to be a freespacer. But there are certainly times that comforts may be sacrificed to fight the cause of freedom. If I have almost convinced you then it is clear I need to try just a little harder. Join the Revolution!

Markius TheShed Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.14 07:24:00 - [11] A moving and inspiring broadcast which should give freedom fighters through out New Eden renewed resolve to see our enemies defeated.
Johlie Caldari Seekers of a Silent Paradise	Posted - 2011.07.14 09:53:00 - [12] Makes me think of part of an old poem I read once. "Through the travail of the ages, Midst the pomp and toil of war, Have I fought and strove and perished Countless times upon this star." -=You only have a small spark of madness, you mustn't lose it.=-
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.07.14 10:09:00 - [13] Inspiring yet misguided. Embrace the faith and you will be set free. Be as bold as your revolution claims it is and fight not for personal freedom of the individual or their petty rights. Fight for the freedom of the soul and purity of the faith and then truly you will be immortal and then truly you will understand the concept of being free. The things you claim to fight are the same ones that tempt all our souls. You can be freed of burdens, acquisitions, pride, personal accomplishments, avarice, and so on. Believe in the one true God and He can grant you all you seek and more. See that the true enemy you fight is Sin and know the scriptures give you a path to walk in the light of God and stear clear of the temptations of Sin in all of its forms. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.14 12:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Revan Neferis "no distance is too far... no silence is too deep no loneliness too absolute no striving too bitter no sorrow too hard no denial too cruel for my love to come to you" Never give up your dreams. You'll never be alone. They are beautiful words and in the dark of our souls sometimes we forget that beauty is often reason enough to strive and pursue our revolutions and confront the terrible depravity and venal mediocrities of tyranny in all things. We wake again after death for many reasons but purest of all can be a lover's touch or lips brushing 'gainst our own and breath shared to bring us back from the edge of annihilation to sing again the heart's anthems of anarchist adoration in the heresy of joy. I once said I'd set the sky aflame to see the light reflected in my lover's eyes. I still would. By this note you may understand I am still alive. Join the Revolution!
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.07.14 12:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Codo Yagari on 14/07/2011 12:46:43 Anarchy is like a boat at sea and one of the men begins to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answers, "I am only boring under my own seat.". "Yes, you are correct.", the others reply. "What right do we have to stop you from whatever you are doing." ____________ Yulai Guard Forum and Information
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.14 13:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Codo Yagari Anarchy is like a boat at sea and one of the men begins to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answers, "I am only boring under my own seat.". "Yes, you are correct.", the others reply. "What right do we have to stop you from whatever you are doing." It is a funny joke but one might say your favoured tyranny is a similar beleagured boat on a similar sea ... Far from land and short on supplies one man stands up and announces "I come from a good family and should be the captain and order the rest of you." Another stands up confronting and says "no I am the richest and I should be captain." A brawny man at the back rises with his fists balled and snarls "to hell with you both I could beat you black and blue if I chose I am captain!" In the end these three elect themselves the triumvirate government and spend the remainder of the trip lashing rats and cockroaches around the deck with whips and boathooks and complaining that the poor vermin are unable to man the oar-sweeps or hoist the mainsail before falling to a bloody civil war over the last water rations in the burning sun as they die of thirst. It is easy to make jokes on clichT Codo Yagari. Much harder to achieve one's dreams without becoming the tyrants we oppose. I believe it would benefit you greatly to learn a little more about actual anarchist-philosophy and put aside the nationalist propaganda playbook by approaching these matters with an open mind. Join the Revolution!
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.14 13:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 14/07/2011 12:46:43 Anarchy is like a boat at sea and one of the men begins to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answers, "I am only boring under my own seat.". "Yes, you are correct.", the others reply. "What right do we have to stop you from whatever you are doing." The sea you float upon must be in must be awfully lonely with only one boat. The sea I'm familiar with has many boats. Enough boats for everyone. In this case, if one man wants to sink his own boat, what right do we have to stop him?
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.07.14 13:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Biife Stuhe Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 14/07/2011 12:46:43 Anarchy is like a boat at sea and one of the men begins to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answers, "I am only boring under my own seat.". "Yes, you are correct.", the others reply. "What right do we have to stop you from whatever you are doing." The sea you float upon must be in must be awfully lonely with only one boat. The sea I'm familiar with has many boats. Enough boats for everyone. In this case, if one man wants to sink his own boat, what right do we have to stop him? In the world I am familiar with, we are all sitting in the same boat.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.14 13:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Fine words Jade. I've only ever seen a few groups do what SF pioneered. Guerilla warfare is often hampered by beaurocrats and red tape. The small taking on the mighty is always admirable, no matter what the agenda. There is something about the mythology of the individual against the collective that does appeal to all our hearts. Quote: I'll always admire SF's skills, even as I stand against their ideals (I'd make a great Empress...) I guess it's a good thing that corporations I've flown in epitomize these tactics. I've always wondered a little about your ideals and why exactly you consider yourself opposed to freespace Mebrithiel Ju'wien. To be frank you have never seemed to type to embrace tyranny and enclosurist ideology. I thank you for your words of support in any case. It is heartening. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.07.14 15:59:00 - [20] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/07/2011 16:02:08 Originally by: Jade Constantine I once said I'd set the sky aflame to see the light reflected in my lover's eyes. I still would. By this note you may understand I am still alive. You are still that anarchist infidel heretic fire performer extraordinaire who dared once setting an Amarrian Tyrant Sani Sabik Sovereign's heart aflame with your delights. Nothing changed in my view. After all these years, know that Your Sovereign lover is still a pyromaniac extremely risquT. Nothing changed here either. So keep setting the sky aflame and my eyes will continue to be your mirror reflecting the nuances of the burning desires and dreams of our distinguished, exotic souls. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Chain of command: I say it. You do it! End of chain.

Kazzzi Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.07.14 18:17:00 - [21] Ode to the Free Captains
Jock Landers	Posted - 2011.07.14 18:31:00 - [22] In celebration of this moment, let us gingerly touch the tips of our swords!
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2011.07.14 20:37:00 - [23] If the revolution is truely dead, then the idea of the Freespace Captain is a failed one - judged by the ultimate authority, time. That said, only a fool would right off the Star Fraction. I am not a supporter of your organization, I do not agree with many of your actions or your politics. I consider you terrorists and criminals and have killed your members and have been killed by your members - but I know your history and I can respect your organization as one that has overcome adversity. Again, time will be the judge. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.14 21:23:00 - [24] I for one will not mourn the death of the Star Fraction. Particularly since this announcement is probably little more than a particularly verbose whine about a few members leaving and we'll see them up to their old tricks before too long. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.14 23:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Boma Airaken "Everything we do is part of a pattern we have at least some say in. The strong make their own patterns and influence other people's, the weak have their courses mapped out for them." Fly free, continue the pattern. There is wisdom there in finding wonderful shapes while breaking regressive patterns which also can be a beautiful thing. Again my thanks for the words of support - in the Fraction we do wish all to rise and embrace the individuality of true independence. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.07.14 23:49:00 - [26] Jade Constantine > your wall of text was very boring ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Icarus3 Gallente Percussive Diplomacy The Phoenix. Consortium	Posted - 2011.07.15 00:33:00 - [27] Edited by: Icarus3 on 15/07/2011 00:34:17 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Jade Constantine > your wall of text was very boring Greetings Andreus, As always you share your useless opinions broadcasting them on the IGS. Has it ever occurred to you that others may not find these txt walls so boring? -SF- has seen and achieved so much more than you could ever dream of. I sense envy... I don't recall you ever sharing any of your glory or heartache... why is that? A new EVE community
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.07.15 00:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Icarus3 As always you share your useless opinions broadcasting them on the IGS. Originally by: Icarus3 Has it ever occurred to you that other may not find these txt walls so boring? Originally by: Icarus3 -SF- has seen and achieved so much more than you could ever dream of. Originally by: Icarus3 I sense envy... Originally by: Icarus3 I don't recall you ever sharing any of your glory or heartache... why is that? This statement is also amusing. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dilaro thagriin	Posted - 2011.07.15 00:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Rodj Blake Particularly since this announcement is probably little more than a particularly verbose whine about a few members leaving and we'll see them up to their old tricks before too long. Probably? so... the silly little amarrian didn't bother to read it? i suppose i shouldn't expect your attention span to be long enough, at least not without your fluffer slave doing their job. you know... you could always actually do what you say in your little sig there. no one who matters would mourn. - Dilaro
Gosakumori Noh Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.15 01:36:00 - [30] At risk of spoiling the joke by highlighting it, I suspect the monarchist sentimentality explicit in the title - and implicit in a premise that "the revolution, it's me" - represents an intentional (rather than serendipitous) irony. How many are in on the prank, I wonder?

Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.15 03:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Codo Yagari Originally by: Biife Stuhe Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 14/07/2011 12:46:43 Anarchy is like a boat at sea and one of the men begins to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answers, "I am only boring under my own seat.". "Yes, you are correct.", the others reply. "What right do we have to stop you from whatever you are doing." The sea you float upon must be in must be awfully lonely with only one boat. The sea I'm familiar with has many boats. Enough boats for everyone. In this case, if one man wants to sink his own boat, what right do we have to stop him? In the world I am familiar with, we are all sitting in the same boat. I challenge you to prove your point by sinking the entire universe. We're not a planet-bound species anymore, Mr. Yagari. You're not on my boat.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.15 13:46:00 - [32] Originally by: zoolkhan there will always be revolution, there will always be rebellion, and always be a need for star fraction idealists, whom against the odds - put ideals higher than profit. Until there is no authority anymore that take advantage over others. great things have been accomplished, and great things lay ahead.. ..i see a book full of empty pages, the revolution is not dead.. look ahead, the past puts your mind in cages. Or with simpler words: "only forward" (Admiral maggot of the Ushra'Khan) Thank you Zoolkhan my comrade and my friend. At difficult times we have always been there for each other and our friendship is a wonderful thing. Your words are greatly appreciated and I see the truth in Admiral Maggots words ... "only forward" indeed. Long live the Fighters! Join the Revolution!

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.15 13:49:00 - [33] Offtopic posts removed. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Vinndel	Posted - 2011.07.15 14:42:00 - [34] "In those days shall men seek death and shall not find it and shall desite to die and death shall flee from them" I don't always agree with the fractions actions, but I admire their vision. Fly free, free captains.
Evet Morrel Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.15 17:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Vinndel "In those days shall men seek death and shall not find it and shall desite to die and death shall flee from them" I don't always agree with the fractions actions, but I admire their vision. Fly free, free captains. Thank you, "We live in deeds, not years; in thoughts, not breaths; In feelings, not in figures on a dial. We should count time by heart-throbs. He most lives Who thinks most, feels the noblest, acts the best. And he whose heart beats quickest lives the longest: Lives in one hour more than in years do some Whose fat blood sleeps as it slips along their veins. Life's but a means unto an end; that end. The dead have all the glory of the world." The identify of the fraction remains the eye of the storm, the pulse of freedom.
Rockafella93 Amarr The Order of Reverance Crimson Isk	Posted - 2011.07.16 06:52:00 - [36] Brave anarchists. i have the beautiful pride that comes from once calling myself one of your number. it saddens me deeply to hear of these times of woe. but passion and will has lifted more than moral in the past. you men are titans among gods and heroes among the faithless. you are myths among legends. you cannot falter and you cannot be crushed. your a juggernaught plowing through oppression for the causes of people far weaker. you are what capsuleers were meant to be fly strong fractioneers your time is here. and i know you'll seize with beauty comes power with art comes knowledge with honour comes victory fly free brothers!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.16 15:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Maximum Kiely Skies darken only for them to lighten Ms. Constantine. May brighter skies find you once again. There is truth there, skies are darkest before the dawn. We have walked through many wars and campaigns, suffered crisis and scandal, seen friends turn to foes and known the most terrible betrayals but the truth of it all is that only the individual can choose not to get up again and return to the fight. New Eden can be a prison to those locked in regressive imperialism or nihilistic self-destruction. I want everyone to be free. Join the Revolution!
Invelious Amarr Adamant Edge	Posted - 2011.07.16 23:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Maximum Kiely Skies darken only for them to lighten Ms. Constantine. New Eden can be a prison to those locked in regressive imperialism or nihilistic self-destruction. I want everyone to be free. And then what?
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.07.17 09:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Biife Stuhe I challenge you to prove your point by sinking the entire universe. We're not a planet-bound species anymore, Mr. Yagari. You're not on my boat. Well, I'm not going to attempt any such thing, too many already are. The universe is one, we're all connected. I'm sure these words ring a bell, question is, will you listen to your heart and believe it.
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.17 14:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Jade Constantine I want everyone to be free. Originally by: Invelious And then what? Profit. Biife chuckles a bit Or perhaps more accurately, 'Whatever'. Free Captains operate under the belief that Capsuleers, and humanity in general should be free to do whatever they wish. It's the core of our ethos. In a universe with limitless resources, such as ours, there is no moral reason to stop anyone from any action, except in self-defense.

Tetsu Nakahama Girochin Sha	Posted - 2011.07.17 23:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Jade Constantine New Eden can be a prison to those locked in regressive imperialism or nihilistic self-destruction. I want everyone to be free. Too many willingly place themselves in that prison, Mme Constantine. The many deaths of your revolution, and its many rebirths, are testament to the authenticity of the Star Fraction's instinctive impulse towards freedom at all costs. Even death. There is no one revolution and no single death of a revolution will end the revolutionary haste. For in reality, the many diverse revolutions that free individuals make with every breath, every word and every action that is their own, truly their own, are the revolution whole. So I join the Star Fraction in saying: The revolution is dead, long live the revolution.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.18 00:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Markius TheShed A moving and inspiring broadcast which should give freedom fighters through out New Eden renewed resolve to see our enemies defeated. Thank you for your comments Markius, its appreciated. Regardless the manipulations and petty animosities of regressive tinpot tyrants on the frontier we most go keep our eyes forwards on the brighter future. It is easy to fall to the traps and snares of cultish hierarchy but the free revolutionary must be wise to such base-illusions and wanton fakery and ready always to shoot brigands and jumped up road-blockers between the eyes. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.18 07:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Johlie Makes me think of part of an old poem I read once. "Through the travail of the ages, Midst the pomp and toil of war, Have I fought and strove and perished Countless times upon this star." Is truth to say we have perished many many times in our quest to reach the unreachable star Johlie but true defeat only comes when we stop trying to reach it and turn instead to a tawdry nickle-plated bauble somebody else discarded to the mud of the sidewalk. Originally by: Johlie -=You only have a small spark of madness, you mustn't lose it.=- somehow this also is very profound I think. Join the Revolution!
Markius TheShed Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.18 08:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Jade Constantine It is easy to fall to the traps and snares of cultish hierarchy but the free revolutionary must be wise to such base-illusions and wanton fakery and ready always to shoot brigands and jumped up road-blockers between the eyes. It is always hard when people close to you abandon their principles to make deals with devils and oppressors. But as you have said those who choose that path will pay for their decision.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.18 11:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Markius TheShed Originally by: Jade Constantine It is easy to fall to the traps and snares of cultish hierarchy but the free revolutionary must be wise to such base-illusions and wanton fakery and ready always to shoot brigands and jumped up road-blockers between the eyes. It is always hard when people close to you abandon their principles to make deals with devils and oppressors. But as you have said those who choose that path will pay for their decision. Almost the hardest thing is the knowledge of what tends to happen to such fallen comrades monsieur Markius. There is no more pitiable creature in the cosmos than the man who has sold the last of his idealism and principle for a taudry bauble of nihilistic pleasure only to end up in thrall to some hollow-eyed pirate lord with delusions of imperialist grandeur. Join the Revolution!
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.07.18 12:19:00 - [46] Edited by: Ciar Meara on 18/07/2011 12:19:56 Originally by: Jade Constantine Almost the hardest thing is the knowledge of what tends to happen to such fallen comrades monsieur Markius. There is no more pitiable creature in the cosmos than the man who has sold the last of his idealism and principle for a taudry bauble of nihilistic pleasure only to end up in thrall to some hollow-eyed pirate lord with delusions of imperialist grandeur. At least in this we can agree. Idealism and principles however misguided stand above te petty needs of the individual. The needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few, thus we need order and strength to maintain this order so men and women everywhere can live in peace and the glory of a ideal and principled society. One Empire, under God! - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.18 17:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Dilaro thagriin Originally by: Rodj Blake Particularly since this announcement is probably little more than a particularly verbose whine about a few members leaving and we'll see them up to their old tricks before too long. Probably? so... the silly little amarrian didn't bother to read it? i suppose i shouldn't expect your attention span to be long enough, at least not without your fluffer slave doing their job. I did read it, but one has to try and work out what's really going on when Jade makes an announcement. After all, most people wouldn't describe a corporation with seventy-five members as dead. Quote: you know... you could always actually do what you say in your little sig there. no one who matters would mourn. I already have on many occasions. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.18 19:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Rodj Blake I did read it, but one has to try and work out what's really going on when Jade makes an announcement. After all, most people wouldn't describe a corporation with seventy-five members as dead. Sometimes object literalism borders on rampant idiocy. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.18 20:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Ciar Meara Be as bold as your revolution claims it is and fight not for personal freedom of the individual or their petty rights. Fight for the freedom of the soul and purity of the faith and then truly you will be immortal and then truly you will understand the concept of being free. There is no freedom for the soul without liberation of the individual. We do hear a lot about the nature of "true freedom" being the "freedom from choice" and "freedom of responsibility" - both ideals espoused by some of our brigand rivals at times but the reality this is simply illusionary nonsense sold by petty dictators and tin-pot tyrants recruting deluded followers. Join the Revolution!
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.18 20:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Codo Yagari Originally by: Biife Stuhe Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 14/07/2011 12:46:43 Anarchy is like a boat at sea and one of the men begins to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answers, "I am only boring under my own seat.". "Yes, you are correct.", the others reply. "What right do we have to stop you from whatever you are doing." The sea you float upon must be in must be awfully lonely with only one boat. The sea I'm familiar with has many boats. Enough boats for everyone. In this case, if one man wants to sink his own boat, what right do we have to stop him? In the world I am familiar with, we are all sitting in the same boat. Whereas in mine we have a million boats and million dreams. Strange how perceptions differ isn't it?

Nola Doyle NeuroGEN	Posted - 2011.07.19 08:57:00 - [51] I have never openly voiced support for your endeavor, but it is in my interest to see your goals come to fruition. Specifically, the destabilization of CONCORD-subjugated territory and its imperial sponsors. Humanity deserves a better fate than a gradual decline into obscurity. Also, any organization that destroys Julianus Soter and his Coalition thugs deserve applause. ~-~ Dr. Nola J. Doyle Co-CEO, NeuroGEN
Lucian Alucard Caldari No Homo.	Posted - 2011.07.19 12:01:00 - [52] In the very least this should be an entertaining show too watch,eloquent as ever my old "friend". In the land of the pigs, the Butcher is King!
General Stargazer Minmatar Moira.	Posted - 2011.07.19 14:00:00 - [53] Edited by: General Stargazer on 19/07/2011 14:02:08 Edited by: General Stargazer on 19/07/2011 14:00:52 Originally by: Nola Doyle Also, any organization that destroys Julianus Soter and his Coalition thugs deserve applause. When said "Destruction" happens, can you drop me a mail and let me know? Thanks. Moira. has discussed this topic internally and have no interest in being involved in the affairs of the Fraction; this is why the only feedback from our corporation, is that in a positive light. I'd appreciate it as well, if people could actually accept that people should look beyond the singular mans opinions and voiced feelings. Moira. is a corporation of many people, many opinions, many different back histories. Just because we share the same corporation and goals, doesn't mean that we all follow a singular person; whats followed more so, is the idea of a working together for a better future for all of us. In the interest of keeping this topic from de-railing, if you wish to make any further comments in relation to Moira. or this "Coalition of thugs", please feel free to contact me via eve-mail or direct comms. _________ Reporting for duty
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.19 14:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Van Cleef That said, only a fool would right off the Star Fraction. I am not a supporter of your organization, I do not agree with many of your actions or your politics. I consider you terrorists and criminals and have killed your members and have been killed by your members - but I know your history and I can respect your organization as one that has overcome adversity. And believe me Van Cleef. New Eden is not short of such fools. Adversity is a harsh teacher but the lessons are beyond value. Join the Revolution!
Rayohth	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:04:00 - [55] Your insurrection has failed, of that I am confident. But if this hollow rhetoric is sufficient to rally what remains of your pathetic band and you should attempt once more threaten the established order, know that you will be ruthlessly crushed underfoot once again. I look forward to the day when they finally bind you in chains and will remember this defiance as they throw you to the slaver hounds for our peoples entertainment. A moment I will savour even though such an honour is above you.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Rayohth I look forward to the day when they finally bind you in chains and will remember this defiance as they throw you to the slaver hounds for our peoples entertainment. There are others who share your desire. Just think what could be accomplished were you to band together and take a stand rather than simply issuing empty galnet statements. Why not bring a war in space and seek to achieve this end yourself? Perhaps you might be the one to lay hands on the famous anarchist and bring her down. Undying fame, adulation from the imperialist hierachy. Riches and songs about your daring. Just think. All you need is the courage to try. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:17:00 - [57] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 19/07/2011 16:17:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine Perhaps you might be the one to lay hands on the famous anarchist and bring her down. What?! Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Chain of command: I say it. You do it! End of chain.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 19/07/2011 16:17:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine Perhaps you might be the one to lay hands on the famous anarchist and bring her down. What?! Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik You aren't the only one to desire my body it appears, the man above wanted me bound in chains and hurled to the slaver hounds. I'm guessing there may be an amarrian fetish industry in such things. Join the Revolution!
Rayohth	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:24:00 - [59] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rayohth I look forward to the day when they finally bind you in chains and will remember this defiance as they throw you to the slaver hounds for our peoples entertainment. There are others who share your desire. Just think what could be accomplished were you to band together and take a stand rather than simply issuing empty galnet statements. Why not bring a war in space and seek to achieve this end yourself? Perhaps you might be the one to lay hands on the famous anarchist and bring her down. Undying fame, adulation from the imperialist hierachy. Riches and songs about your daring. Just think. All you need is the courage to try. I am but an honest patrician of a worthy house, I make no great claims to my own prowess when it comes to military matters. But I have great faith in the forces of order and the traditions of the Amarr military. I proudly pay the annual tribute knowing it keeps our cohorts strong in the face of the many threats our people face I am satisfied that Star Fraction no longer represent one of those threats, for now..
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Rayohth I am but an honest patrician of a worthy house, I make no great claims to my own prowess when it comes to military matters. So often the way on the IGS I'm afraid. Alas. Quote: But I have great faith in the forces of order and the traditions of the Amarr military. I proudly pay the annual tribute knowing it keeps our cohorts strong in the face of the many threats our people face I am satisfied that Star Fraction no longer represent one of those threats, for now.. Well thats something at least, many of your illustrious forebears hated to admit there ever was such a threat. I imagine that means we're making progress. Join the Revolution!

Rayohth	Posted - 2011.07.19 16:52:00 - [61] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well thats something at least, many of your illustrious forebears hated to admit there ever was such a threat. I imagine that means we're making progress. It is your heresy that will always a remain a threat to the purity of our Empire Only now there are no longer armies of fanatics eager to act out the ambitions of your demagoguery We must thank God for whatever mercy he sees fit to bestow.
Vikarion Caldari State Trade Consortium	Posted - 2011.07.20 01:39:00 - [62] Oh, pfft. As long as Jade Constantine remains in pod, there will be a Star Fraction. I'm a Caldari nationalist, opposed to governmental anarchism, but I can at least appreciate the fact that the Fraction has lasted as long as it has. And I can appreciate someone who fights for their own beliefs. Star Fraction and Miss Constantine is an organization and person that some love, and some love to hate, but that the cluster would be poorer without. - - -
Maximum Kiely Caldari Kiely and Son Salvage	Posted - 2011.07.27 18:51:00 - [63] Originally by: Ciar Meara The needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few... Hmm... always seems to me that the perceived "needs" of the few outweigh the desires of the many. Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2011.07.30 07:45:00 - [64] Edited by: Conlin on 30/07/2011 07:45:47 Originally by: Rodj Blake I for one will not mourn the death of the Star Fraction. Particularly since this announcement is probably little more than a particularly verbose whine about a few members leaving and we'll see them up to their old tricks before too long. I for one relish the fact they wil be up to their old tricks again , if it makes old roddy verbosely whine * Not liking the thunderbirds avatars .
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.08.02 12:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Fridarey Whereas in mine we have a million boats and million dreams. Strange how perceptions differ isn't it? Not very strange if you ask me, but regrettable. I guess it comes down to if you think it's "every man for himself" or if you think we're all in this together. :s ____________ Yulai Guard Forum and Information
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.02 13:26:00 - [66] Originally by: Fridarey Whereas in mine we have a million boats and million dreams. Strange how perceptions differ isn't it? Originally by: Codo Yagari Not very strange if you ask me, but regrettable. I guess it comes down to if you think it's "every man for himself" or if you think we're all in this together. :s Is the thought that every man is for himself really a regrettable one? I find the idea of every man being against himself far more pitiable.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.02 17:31:00 - [67] Edited by: ChipMo on 02/08/2011 17:33:11 Originally by: Codo Yagari Not very strange if you ask me, but regrettable. I guess it comes down to if you think it's "every man for himself" or if you think we're all in this together. :s *ChipMo laughs The ship metaphor was a poor one. In truth we are just discussing our perspective of the same reality. You claim to be 'in it together' but your not, your in your role for your own interests however opaque or obscure those buried interests may be. Us anarchists? We're the same just a bit more honest about it, we work together when it suits our interests and go our own way when it does not. Edit: You may find it worthwhile to consider at what scale self-intrest becomes servitude. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Maia Demoncast Rust Corp Seventh Vanguard	Posted - 2011.08.03 03:04:00 - [68] Your post had me in the beginning there. I am glad that someone keeps a bright beacon shining in the cold dark space. May the revolution die and be born again for many years to come.
Marenteius Caldari Red Coats	Posted - 2011.08.04 04:10:00 - [69] i rarely post anymore (though i suppose that seems to be changing) and i havn't had any success against fellow capsuleers in combat at all.... but i still have to say, the Star Fraction helps keep things interesting... and hell, maybe if CONCORD were gone, i would have the impetus i need to lose enough ships to learn how to kill a few, neh? Just imagine it... all of Empire space, one big Free-for-all! It would be like watching a sun explode i imagine... pretty until the radiation and searing lightwave hit. -------------- You go planetside for a week or two, and when you get back, you suddenly find that your corp moved to Minmatar space and joined an alliance friendly to Electus Matari... life is stange
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:20:00 - [70] Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 05/08/2011 00:24:03 Anarchy... Was it by force? Governments use force, and a coercion through fear of force, to achieve their means. Hence to attempt in achieving anarchy and resorting to force in such endeavors, it is to become a government. It's like declaring that one is free, and then going to a court of a nation ruled by tyrants to ask for freedom. The revolution was doomed from the start. Declaring it's death as a means to prolonging it is an old trick. You want real freedom, you start within, by withdrawing all consent first from everything that is not of your own doing and not of your interest. From there you find your choices, and can live with them.

Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.06 02:31:00 - [71] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 05/08/2011 00:24:03 Governments use force, and a coercion through fear of force, to achieve their means. Hence to attempt in achieving anarchy and resorting to force in such endeavors, it is to become a government. Your logic is flawed. Just because Governments use force doesn't mean *all organizations* that use force are therefore Governments. That's ridiculous. To illustrate: "Minmatar use two legs to walk, therefore *all creatures* that use two legs to walk are Minmatar." See how that doesn't work? An Anarchist governs only Himself.
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.08.08 11:41:00 - [72] Edited by: Codo Yagari on 08/08/2011 11:40:58 What when the very cells of your body start to proclaim anarchy? Will you let them have their way? (i.e. your doom)
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:16:00 - [73] Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 08/08/2011 11:40:58 What when the very cells of your body start to proclaim anarchy? Will you let them have their way? (i.e. your doom) Wonderful. Yet more inept metaphors from Mr.Yagari. 'Capsuleers are like people in a boat.' 'Capsuleers are like cells in a body.' Ridiculous. The only Capsuleers who resemble unthinking, reactionary cells in a body are those who subscribe to the outdated theories and agendas of the old empires. Perhaps you count yourself among them, Mr.Yagari. I do not. We don't have to be this way. We can be independent. We can fly free. We can be creative demi-gods, burning our own individual wills across the stars with the searing flames of our intellect. That so many are shuttered and blinded to the possibility of true freedom and individual will, including yourself Mr.Yagari, is evidence that the revolution needs to, even MUST continue. This is why I will never give up on the revolution.
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.08.09 10:36:00 - [74] Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/08/2011 10:38:34 You seek freedom, yet you do not seem to seek the answers to the question of the origin of our lives. In a sense your ambition is admirable, it is certainly better than being a drone that accepts all that is imposed upon him. But take my advise, you should seek the answers to the question of the mystery of this entire existence, instead of trying to make yourself demi-gods in it. You seek to be a demi-god, yet you have not the singlest clue how even your own body works. You really need to get down to the basics before you start to proclaim yourself universal masters. Try meditation and humbleness. Do that for a couple of years, then perhaps we can talk again.
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.09 14:12:00 - [75] Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/08/2011 10:38:34 You seek freedom, yet you do not seem to seek the answers to the question of the origin of our lives. In a sense your ambition is admirable, it is certainly better than being a drone that accepts all that is imposed upon him. But take my advise, you should seek the answers to the question of the mystery of this entire existence, instead of trying to make yourself demi-gods in it. You seek to be a demi-god, yet you have not the singlest clue how even your own body works. You really need to get down to the basics before you start to proclaim yourself universal masters. Try meditation and humbleness. Do that for a couple of years, then perhaps we can talk again. You presume far too much about my knowledge and desires, Mr.Yagari. I have no interest in being a 'universal master'. I seek only the freedom to do as I wish and the freedom for all to do so as well.
Aesis Tori Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:53:00 - [76] Originally by: Biife Stuhe ... I seek only the freedom to do as I wish and the freedom for all to do so as well. As long as it doesn't interfere with the Star Fraction.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.09 17:06:00 - [77] Edited by: ChipMo on 09/08/2011 17:07:23 Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/08/2011 10:38:34 You seek freedom, yet you do not seem to seek the answers to the question of the origin of our lives. In a sense your ambition is admirable, it is certainly better than being a drone that accepts all that is imposed upon him. But take my advise, you should seek the answers to the question of the mystery of this entire existence, instead of trying to make yourself demi-gods in it. You seek to be a demi-god, yet you have not the singlest clue how even your own body works. You really need to get down to the basics before you start to proclaim yourself universal masters. Try meditation and humbleness. Do that for a couple of years, then perhaps we can talk again. It is important to consider where we come from I'll give you that. However I would contest it is far more important to focus on what we currently inhabit, and what we want our future selves to inhabit. These are the things we experiance, things that are undeniably real. The origins of life are rather imaterial, due to the liniar nature of time. Frankly, we are here. That is as much as anyone needs to know... sure its nice to indulge in more ponder and reasoning, but its not all you make it out to be. Look to the future my man, and work to shape it. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Xavier Fate Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2011.08.09 21:19:00 - [78] I may agree with the purpose, but I recognize a moving speech when I hear one. Even though I might not like the message, I have to admit it was well said.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Moira.	Posted - 2011.08.10 03:02:00 - [79] Originally by: Jade Constantine I've always wondered a little about your ideals and why exactly you consider yourself opposed to freespace Mebrithiel Ju'wien. To be frank you have never seemed to type to embrace tyranny and enclosurist ideology. I thank you for your words of support in any case. It is heartening. No, I'm not the type. I prefer to rule by setting an example and others doing what I tell them. I'm not especially demanding. I'd quite like people to get along, in relative peaceful chaos, so long as they know I'm in charge should anybody do something I dislike. Like shooting the poor little Covenant ships... I'm a lot less, erm, structured than Revan and probably represent the element of chaos to her order. I mean, you should see my quarters! Absolute mess! So yeah, Freespace and chaos sound great, so long as everyone knows I'm Queen B**** See? (Blog link in Sig)
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.08.10 03:23:00 - [80] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien I'm a lot less, erm, structured than Revan and probably represent the element of chaos to her order. My lover use to joke with me that I can make order even inside absolute chaos which is kind of delicious paradox considering that I do consider even the concept of chaos as having absolute order in itself. I strongly believe that we don't need to strive to break or create order, it automatically emerges from the dominant power assimilating the weaker and creating its own natural flow. This Universal law applies towards everything known in this Universe without exceptions, from a galaxy being swalled by a giant black hole to a lover surrendering to another by simply meeting a striking gaze. Very extremes sides of different examples but they are right to illustrate that degrees that one may experience the concept of natural order differs according with the situation and context, from subtle to very brutal but its there nonetheless. The sometimes veiled, or sometimes very apparent hierarchy of the Universe is there, working on individuals and Cosmos alike without distinctions and without need of our validation to be proven a fact. Power dictates freedom and creates order from itself. It's very simple really, all you need to do is to observe the Universe around you and learn from it. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Chain of command: I say it. You do it! End of chain.

Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.08.11 11:02:00 - [81] Originally by: Biife Stuhe You presume far too much about my knowledge and desires, Mr.Yagari. I have no interest in being a 'universal master'. I seek only the freedom to do as I wish and the freedom for all to do so as well. That is indeed a good intent. However, there are things so much more important than freedom. Such as compassion, wisdom, selflessness, etc. If your mind and spirit is free, something only you yourself can work to achieve, then why go blaming others for your imprisonment. Free your mind, and the rest will follow... right? Originally by: ChipMo ... I would contest it is far more important to focus on what we currently inhabit, and what we want our future selves to inhabit. These are the things we experiance, things that are undeniably real. The origins of life are rather imaterial, due to the liniar nature of time. Frankly, we are here. That is as much as anyone needs to know... sure its nice to indulge in more ponder and reasoning, but its not all you make it out to be. Look to the future my man, and work to shape it. Unless you know the source of all things, you have no idea what kind of reality you're living in, you're completely oblivious to the important parts of your existence. This will lay as foundation for all decision you take in life. You say " ... we are here. That is as much as anyone needs to know..." You are here, yes, but you have no idea why. For all the things in the universe, planets, flowers, animals, galaxy clusters, colours, sounds, feelings, thougts, dreams etc etc, you have no idea why all these things exist. Dont you think you should try and find this out before anything else? All us humans have this question in us, we want to find out the reason for our existence, the reason for our lives, and indeed the reason for all life and all existence. Don't throw away this question and label it as unimportant, please. ____________ Yulai Guard Forum and Information
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.08.11 19:06:00 - [82] Edited by: ChipMo on 11/08/2011 19:06:59 Originally by: Codo Yagari You say " ... we are here. That is as much as anyone needs to know..." You are here, yes, but you have no idea why. For all the things in the universe, planets, flowers, animals, galaxy clusters, colours, sounds, feelings, thougts, dreams etc etc, you have no idea why all these things exist. Dont you think you should try and find this out before anything else? All us humans have this question in us, we want to find out the reason for our existence, the reason for our lives, and indeed the reason for all life and all existence. Don't throw away this question and label it as unimportant, please. Well lets see, suppose I do squander my life trying to find purpose from sources outside myself. I eventually discover this epic truth: The reason for life is 42 and existence is a by product of extra-dimensional flatulence. Meanwhile, the universe is owned by nationalists exploiting my fellow lifeforms and I have squandered what opportunities came my way to prevent that disgrace taking hold. (note: the above is for dramatic effect to highlight the point, I am confident 42 is not the reason for life nor do I honestly believe the Universe is a result of extra-dimensional flatulence.) End of the day I have found my own purpose for existing, I do not need some pre-ordaned clap trap to empower my actions. I have a mind, it can asses the world around it and form opinions, beliefs, we all have this capability and if we all had the will to act on this rather than seeking purpose from others or outside justifications for what we believe; the Galaxy as a whole would be far better off. Trust in yourself, embrace your reality and act on it. Learn lessons from the past, sure.. but don't sacrifice today to do so. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Qansh Gallente Triskelion Ouroboros	Posted - 2011.08.15 10:54:00 - [83] Originally by: Revan Neferis My lover use to joke with me that I can make order even inside absolute chaos which is kind of delicious paradox considering that I do consider even the concept of chaos as having absolute order in itself. I strongly believe that we don't need to strive to break or create order, it automatically emerges from the dominant power assimilating the weaker and creating its own natural flow... I think where you drive me nuts (oh, yes you do) is in your use of the word "power", when what I believe you actually mean is rule, presumably conscious rule. You are taking examples of power-generating-order in the universe and equating them with rule-generating-order amongst humans. Yes, each operates according to laws, and, yes, if you apply power against individuals, then they will probably respond according to laws, but this is different from rule manifesting its own kind of law, human law that doesn't operate on the basis of blind, physical power, but on a kind of inherent sympathy, or a sense of rightness, of reason, of truth. I think this is what you mean, and yet there you go binding it all back to chaos (though I'm thankful for the "absolute order" part). How about just establishing order (human order) as a product of rule and true or conscious rule as the product of a higher order? Power (physically based) and rule (human based, of which physical power is one possible will-affecting tool) are not the same thing. To refer to all as simply examples of power is to have nothing to compare anything to. And yet I still find in your words the idea that power in nature is symbolic or reflective of something that is not that thing. So, cool -- let's call it not that thing instead of imagining that we're just more blind billiard balls automatically, mechanistically, creating order in anything that happens, which clearly (in human terms at least) is not the case. As I suggested, there is such a thing as true or conscious rule or true (I'll use the term) power, but its salient feature is that it is the product, not necessarily the creator, of order. Its roots in order are what allow it to draw things to itself, to create or define order. Perhaps this is what you mean (I tend to think so), but, boy, it seems a hell of a way to run a corporation...
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.08.15 17:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Qansh Originally by: Revan Neferis My lover use to joke with me that I can make order even inside absolute chaos which is kind of delicious paradox considering that I do consider even the concept of chaos as having absolute order in itself. I strongly believe that we don't need to strive to break or create order, it automatically emerges from the dominant power assimilating the weaker and creating its own natural flow... I think where you drive me nuts (oh, yes you do) is in your use of the word "power", when what I believe you actually mean is rule, presumably conscious rule. You are taking examples of power-generating-order in the universe and equating them with rule-generating-order amongst humans. Yes, each operates according to laws, and, yes, if you apply power against individuals, then they will probably respond according to laws, but this is different from rule manifesting its own kind of law, human law that doesn't operate on the basis of blind, physical power, but on a kind of inherent sympathy, or a sense of rightness, of reason, of truth. I think this is what you mean, and yet there you go binding it all back to chaos (though I'm thankful for the "absolute order" part). How about just establishing order (human order) as a product of rule and true or conscious rule as the product of a higher order? Power (physically based) and rule (human based, of which physical power is one possible will-affecting tool) are not the same thing. To refer to all as simply examples of power is to have nothing to compare anything to. And yet I still find in your words the idea that power in nature is symbolic or reflective of something that is not that thing. So, cool -- let's call it not that thing instead of imagining that we're just more blind billiard balls automatically, mechanistically, creating order in anything that happens, which clearly (in human terms at least) is not the case. As I suggested, there is such a thing as true or conscious rule or true (I'll use the term) power, but its salient feature is that it is the product, not necessarily the creator, of order. Its roots in order are what allow it to draw things to itself, to create or define order. Perhaps this is what you mean (I tend to think so), but, boy, it seems a hell of a way to run a corporation... Very interesting thoughts, it's the kind of subject I love to discuss, it involves more than philosophy per se and some occult arcane truths. As much as I'm tempted to reply to it, I know this is not the right thread, so if you are interested to bring this topic to details we can certainly do elsewhere here on IGS. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Chain of command: I say it. You do it! End of chain.
Qansh Gallente Triskelion Ouroboros	Posted - 2011.08.15 18:52:00 - [85] Originally by: Revan Neferis Very interesting thoughts, it's the kind of subject I love to discuss, it involves more than philosophy per se and some occult arcane truths. Thank you, and yes it does -- that whole "As above, so below" aspect. Quote: As much as I'm tempted to reply to it, I know this is not the right thread, so if you are interested to bring this topic to details we can certainly do elsewhere here on IGS. Ugh, I had to sweat out even that little bit in trying to verbalize what was more of a feeling. (That's why philosophy is so great, though; it forces one into little corners that one hopes are actually windows). I'll keep an eye open for an open door at the M.O., though. Who knows -- a few drinks and the threat (or treat) of acting the fool can sometimes work wonders.
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.08.16 04:57:00 - [86] Originally by: Qansh Thank you, and yes it does -- that whole "As above, so below" aspect. An ancient truth that always enchanted me in many ways "Quod est Inferius est sicut quod est Superius, et quod est Superius est sicut quod est Inferius, ad perpetranda Miracula Rei Unius." Let's talk sometime. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Chain of command: I say it. You do it! End of chain.
Qansh Gallente Triskelion Ouroboros	Posted - 2011.08.16 07:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Revan Neferis Let's talk sometime. I hope so. I'll try not to be such the hermit (and a skill-poor one at that).
Osip Volya Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.09.05 10:30:00 - [88] We have three problems. They are the problems of reality, power and conscience. They say there is divinity in odd numbers. If we solve these problems perhaps we shall become divine. In seeking to transcend there will be many deaths and the revolution will be witness to them all.
Jascira Amarr Animastra	Posted - 2011.09.05 16:43:00 - [89] Originally by: Osip Volya We have three problems. They are the problems of reality, power and conscience. They say there is divinity in odd numbers. If we solve these problems perhaps we shall become divine. In seeking to transcend there will be many deaths and the revolution will be witness to them all. I don't know about transcending these problems, which I don't think are problems at root. The problem is getting them into their proper relation. Power commands reality. Reality appeals to conscience. Conscience moderates power. There are structures that can be built to help ensure this flow. We needn't all transcend, but an otherwise disinterested priesthood, whose purpose is to maintain such structures, seems a requirement. There needs to exist an Order (the transcendent) over the three-part circulation of Rule. I find it heartening that you recognize the power of three, though your names for these elements (while being as expressive) are different from the ones I use. P.S., Your words, in general, I found very evocative.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.09.09 01:04:00 - [90] I've been a soldier and a slave. I've seen my comrades fall in battle or die more slowly under the lash. I've held them in my arms at the final moment. These were men who saw life as it is, yet they died despairing. No glory, no brave last words, only their eyes, filled with confusion, questioning "Why?" I don't think they were wondering why they were dying, but why they had ever lived. When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? To surrender dreams - this may be madness; to seek treasure where there is only trash. Too much sanity may be madness! But maddest of all - to see life as it is and not as it should be. Join the Revolution!



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