Tengu and Drake nerf is long overdue.

Also Caracals are going to be so much fun this winter.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/09/18/dev-post-winter-attack-cruisers-missile-rebalance/


Sorry for posting this god aweful website but its the only reference I have

I would also say where the hell is the CSM in on this????

Range decrease is fine, adding a damage decrease - by 20 percent no less - to an already mediocre damaged weapons system is ******* ********.

In reference to CCP "what's his. Face" post, the winter missle patch will kill off the caldari race once and for all now , if the first nerf wasn't bad enough,Thank you so very much CCP of serveral yrs of SP training will now be useless come December. Why you ask? Tengu w/ heavy launchers will be useless, Drakes useless, cruisers useless, the race is now dead, tyvm, skill point rembursment plz.......

Discuss......

It brings them in line with the other med long range weapons.

In reference to CCP "what's his. Face" post, the winter missle patch will kill off the caldari race once and for all now , if the first nerf wasn't bad enough,Thank you so very much CCP of serveral yrs of SP training will now be useless come December. Why you ask? Tengu w/ heavy launchers will be useless, Drakes useless, cruisers useless, the race is now dead, tyvm, skill point rembursment plz.......

I'd like to start off by reminding people that everything in these F&I threads is open to changes, however there are some significant balance issues being dealt with here that will need to be solved in one way or another. There are also some details that remain to be ironed out but we wanted to get these ideas out to you all as early as possible.

O well guess I'll be Gallente or something now...

..will kill off the caldari race once and for all now...

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Are they also getting weapon tiers, instant damage and a full selection of T1/faction range:damge ammo choices to bring them in line with other med long range weapons?

No?

Gosh, it's almost as if you can't directly compare a single stat and expect to balance 2 very different weapon types on that.

It brings them in line with the other med long range weapons.

Buff HAM range by, say, 30% then.

Tengu and Drake nerf is long overdue.

Also Caracals are going to be so much fun this winter.

Are they also getting weapon tiers, instant damage and a full selection of T1/faction range:damge ammo choices to bring them in line with other med long range weapons?

No?

Gosh, it's almost as if you can't directly compare a single stat and expect to balance 2 very different weapon types on that.

What are they changing about the Tengu?

20% nerf to HML damage might have an impact on Tengu DPS.

Why are they nerfing heavy missile damage? They already do less damage than medium guns.

The makers of Ben and Jerry Ice Cream became aware that their Chunky Monkey brand of Ice Cream was outselling all their other flavours. It seemed everybody wanted to eat Chunky Monkey because it was so delicious. But Ben and Jerry wanted their other brands to be just as good as Chunky Monkey so that everybody could enjoy them. So Ben and Jerry went and took a **** in their next batch of Chunky Monkey. When asked why would they do this, they answered:

"It was just so much easier to make Chunky Monkey taste like **** than to make the other flavours taste better."

CCP went to the Ben and Jerry School of Product Design

Because CCP decided that instead of just nerfing the Drake or the Tengu, they would nerf the entire weapon system they rely upon as well as every other ship that uses or used HMLs. To quote a wise man:

Here are some raw numbers useful for understanding the proposed HML, beam laser and artillery changes:

250mm Railgun II with Spike:
DPS: 20
Alpha: 92
Optimal: 65 km
Falloff: 15 km
Cap/sec: -1.1
PG: 187.2
CPU: 31.5

Heavy Beam Laser II with Aurora:
DPS: 21
Alpha: 91
Optimal: 54 km
Falloff: 10 km
Cap/sec: -3.8
PG: 223.2 (previously 248.5)
CPU: 27.8

720mm Artillery II with Tremor:
DPS: 17
Alpha: 242
Optimal: 54 km
Falloff: 22 km
Cap/sec: 0
PG: 223.2 (previously 248.5)
CPU: 24

Heavy Missile Launcher II with Caldari Navy Scourge:
DPS: 23 (previously 29)
Alpha: 189 (previously 237)
Range: 63 km (previously 84)
Cap/sec: 0
PG: 94.5
CPU: 41.3

This is without any ship bonuses. My view on this is that a 25% range and a 20% dps nerf only seem ridiculous if one ignores just how much better HMLs were than other weapon systems.

Also let's ignore flight time and wrecking shots.

Isn't flight time being reduced? Also, how much do wrecking shots affect long term DPS?

Comparing T2 to faction performance seems off somehow, but the I'm not sure what faction ammo variant would best be used to base comparisons on. Unless we are talking purely max projection.

Also let's ignore flight time and wrecking shots.