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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:14:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Quote:Or about as good as a Harb (circa 300 gun DPS @ 53km with Aroura... or 170 gun DPS @ 48km with Radio - and that's with the same 2 Heat Sinks). How many beam harbingers do you see? None? There's a reason for that.
Considering that the AC cane is being nerfed, and the armor cane effectively removed, it's not that bad.
I for one like the changes off the bat, I Friggin hate Drakes, I can fly them well but they were to good at to much. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:17:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Smabs wrote:I'd go as far as to say that drakes will become obsolete in small gangs if the current nerf goes through. There would be no real reason to fly them since tier 3 battlecruisers would be far superior in the damage at mid range role - due to their higher dps at all ranges, speed and ability to kill things quickly. It's not all about PVP. Drakes will be rubbish in PVE as well, which makes Baby Jesus QQ IRL 
So Caldari pilots have to train battleships like everyone else to PvE.
Sorry for your loss I guess. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:29:00 -
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Yeah, range comes down a tad BUT the T2 ammo is getting fixed, so no more faction only, drake has to trade damage for range for tank like everything else.....moreso now that it has YEs and TCs to consider.
That medium neut is 200 grid, cane loses 225 grid, I have to look, but I'm pretty sure it'll be 425 and no neuts, or neuts and 220s. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:37:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Meta 4 neuts should let you get it on there. I'd say the standard would be 425s and 1 medium/1 small.
I'm not arguing that the drake doesn't need a nerf. I'm saying that the current suggestion will make it obsolete.
Not sure, we don't have numbers on how the mods will effect everything.
I have a Drake that slings missiles 110km, so obsolete, 80km doing 350 DPS us acceptable for a medium weapon system.
If you want to brawl with the canes and taller, HAM --------> again just like the rest of the BCs, no one size fits all Drake.
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:46:00 -
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Roime wrote:Drop to meta 4 on shield cane, swap one trimark for an ACR and use medium meta neuts on the armor Cane.
Normal stuff you have to do on every other ship in game, they are called fitting compromises, a vital ingredient in balance between ships.
Like I said nerfed
That cane only had 35k ish tank with a point, so meta 4 and losing a rig makes it less tanky than a Tornado.
Cool by me, 650 arty was my favorite roaming build anyway. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:51:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Quote:I have a Drake that slings missiles 110km, so obsolete, 80km doing 350 DPS us acceptable for a medium weapon system.
If you want to brawl with the canes and taller, HAM --------> again just like the rest of the BCs, no one size fits all Drake. Well, with the changes it'll be 60 or 50km doing 300dps. HAM's suck a bit because they need to be in scram range and are awful against frigates. All this stuff about medium weapons systems is meaningless when there's a lineup of battlecruisers that fit BS guns. People pick the things that work best regardless of how it's 'meant' to be used. Like medium rails and beams, HML's would become fairly pointless. Therefore people will fly things that have good speed and damage projection. A null talos, nado and arty cane will probably have the best combination of speed and damage. That's why people will fly those in roaming gangs and why drakes will be obsolete.
Nah, it only 20% before tracking mods and before JAVELIN...
And surprise, I've spent a lot more time in nadoes, Drakes,and Oracles then canes in the last 6 months.
No more drake blobs? Excuse me while I shed a tear. Seriously. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Old-school 2007-2008 HAM Drake used to reliably beat other BCs, with the amusing exception of the Myrm. While blasters and ACs do a bit more damage these days, it's still extremely competitive, particularly if Rage is going to do even more damage. Frigates never used to be a fundamental problem, although shooting kinetic at an ABing Enyo is unlikely to be sensible.
Yeah I'm not tossing my missile hulls yet.
I actually like HAM tengus
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:55:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:the HML nerfed is far too much imo, granted the tengu and HML ships arnt my everyday choice, but with 20% less dps i might just not use them again at all.
HML's were simply brought into line with the other medium long range weapons. It simply no longer does BS damage at BS ranges. |
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:41:00 -
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Narcotics Dealer wrote:you'll be able to hit from 40kms for 450-550dps with javelin hams
And one may note, that s a lot of damage for pretty much any other medium short range system. You are getting exotic at that point with pulses or ACs.....well range bonused HACs anyway.
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Ishtar can get there, but I dare anyone to call that boat op. |
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