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Ruiryu
Caldari Gray Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:29:00 -
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Warning this is a little bit of a long read, and instead of posting it in 30 different threads and several forums it's all going here.
In recent weeks the CSM and CCP has come under a lot of fire from some of the player base regarding the possible changes to come. This is primarily based around the ABC ores of EVE-Online, and 0.0 dwellers finding a way to keep their space the best space. IÆm going to assume a large level of ignorance here has that is what is being shown on many forums. Those who are arguing this has only recently come to learn some the mechanics of wormholes and from what IÆve seen they have learned if from people replying to them.
Now then, IÆm going to argue my side. But to do this IÆm going to lay down a little background on myself. IÆm no new comer to the game. IÆve been in many of the wars, sometimes behind the scenes sometimes on frontlines. IÆve done the 0.0 politics and run around. IÆve spent my dues in Empire. But most recently IÆve been spending my time in wormhole space.
My first message to those who are arguing for the removal of the ABCÆs of ores out of wormhole space, or to restrict them to C5-C6 with the possibility of C4 is this. The restriction of these ores to those C-levels is unrealistic. Why you might ask? Well the main argument floating for taking them out of the C1-C3 is that they have access to high security space. Well some do, but these systems are much like the bottle neck systems entering low security space or 0.0 (example Y-MPWL or even HED-GP). These systems are traffic hubs and make great spots for PVP to take place. If people are mining in these systems they are essentially taking some of the greatest risk in EVE to accomplish mining. Correct me if IÆm wrong but people are arguing the ôRisk to Rewardö factor. To continue here before I move on I want to add that wormholes also donÆt have true static connections. Just because you know you will connect to high security space doesnÆt mean itÆs always worthwhile. There are plenty of High Sec islands in the game along with terribly long travel distances to market hubs.
IÆm going to touch on something here about wormhole connections as I did mention this a little already. Wormholes do not have a known-map. By this I mean you donÆt always know where you are going to connect or who is going to connect to you. This just adds to level of difficulty of what is wormhole space and bring me to my next topic.
Logistics, the back bone of EVE, Love it or loathe it; it is what keeps everyone in 0.0 or Wormhole space going. The general thing IÆve been finding is that 0.0 people tend to think that itÆs a piece of cake, and why not? All you need to do is jump in and out thatÆs not hard. Well to inform those who have this notion of thought I want you to stop and read carefully here. General 0.0 dwellers have little to no knowledge of their ships weight other then it dictates the amount of Liquid Ozone the jump bridge is going to use to transport them from point A to point B. In wormhole space when doing logistics of any scale of importance you have to take into account.
The mass of all your ships ò The amount of mass the wormhole is going to allow passage of, each wormhole can be different, this can be extremely limiting on the number of support you're bring for protection or the amount of goodies you take to market. You must also take into account if you didnÆt find said wormhole first you have no idea how much damage has been done you must account to this also will the Wormhole support your return trip? How many times have you 0.0 dwellers went to move a fleet via jump bridges only to find out another group of people used up all the Liquid Ozone earlier and only half your fleet gets to make the jump? In wormhole we donÆt get the options of taking regular gates to meet back up. We ARE separated and this alone can cause some serious risk moving those precious ABC ores you seem so hung up on.
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Ruiryu
Caldari Gray Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:31:00 -
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Time! This is just has important or equally so to the mass. Are you going to have enough time to run your goods out and then get back in? Again are you the first to find this wormhole?
ò No local. We are blind and every op has more planning and prep put into time then your typically 0.0 one. Wormhole dwellers run through potentially hostile space every time, and do not have the luxury of by passing those gate camps with a cyno-jump or Titan bridge. For logistics into 0.0 Space your biggest worry is a possible gank attempt. But this is easily remedied by having scouts, and watching local. The argument that wormhole dwellers can scout too is rather irrelevant as you arenÆt able to see who is in local, and their numbers. There could be a large covert ops fleet just waiting for you and you canÆt be any the wiser to this. Alternatively 0.0 dwellers can set up a cyno-chain at friendly POSÆ or even in a remote dead system. They can then comfortably jump freighter load after load of goods in and out at their own pleasure. IÆve done this so much I donÆt want to even begin to think of the amount.
The next argument that seemingly comes up in all threads is that 0.0 should be better for the ABC ores. Well it is 100% better in 0.0. Stop, take a breath, I know that last sentence just caused several people to develop a twitch, implode, or spontaneously go up in flames. Before this happens to you just remember to breath. Excellent! If you are still reading this you have managed survived, moving on. In your heads the question is why and how is 0.0 better. Well first off your sites are there every day, wormholes once in a while you get one and when you do you have a limited amount of time to do it. In 0.0 they also IMPROVE the mining with the Sov-System that is in place. You can mine with impunity of and have the peace of mind of knowing when someone has entered your system. You also likely have numerous channels of Intel telling you that you have XYZ coming down the pipe, giving you ample of time to get out of the way. Wormhole dwellers are interesting in this aspect. They are going to be psychotically pressing d-scan to the point that they are getting messages that they have to wait before they can d-scan again.
Next argument IÆve seen a lot of is the refine rates. Refining in wormholes is well terrible; in 0.0 a station gives a much better return so guess what. This argument is rather obvious and there shouldnÆt be any debate. If you are one of those people debating the issue that refining is irrelevant or that itÆs just fine for wormholes please donÆt bother debating this issue period. Refining at a POS is just useless unless itÆs Ice products and there isnÆt any of that in wormhole space.
IÆm going to tie all of this together here as this is starting to get longer then I had originally intended. Finally IÆm going to talk about the uses of the minerals, the effects on the market and why 0.0 is actually terrible for mining. So first up, from experience the only time any kind of mining IÆve done or my corp has done was when we needed ships or ammo in the wormhole, these ships are typically capital ships. But truth be told here there arenÆt enough low ends typically and you are stuck importing titanium and so on. So what has been going on now is that we just buy the capitals and move them in because to move in a capital requires less work and is easier than doing the logistics of building it. There has been the occasion where corp-mates have done mining out of sheer boredom. Issue then is getting it out and to market and trust me no one wanted to move it. Even when moving to a new wormhole all of that got jettisoned into space because moving it is too much of a head ache and it isnÆt worth the time.
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Ruiryu
Caldari Gray Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:33:00 -
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The effects on the market and why 0.0 sucks for mining is one in the same really, the simple answer to that are ôpoliticsö. Guess what 0.0 dwellers you have dug your own grave here. Your treatment of people who would be industrialists in your corporation/alliance just isnÆt going to put up with the political bull ****, and this discussion just proves this point. Why and how dare you! You donÆt live in 0.0 you have no idea what you are talking about! Yes I do know what IÆm talking about here, stop and listen. No one is going to pay you 2-3 billion to use a good system to mine in, and then be expected to refine in your stations and lose some minerals as well. ThatÆs the renter situation, why should you benefit twice of their labour? In the case they arenÆt renting the system is that they donÆt receive any respect with in the corp or alliance. They are constantly being hounded to be going on PVP ops or have a Call to arms. They are expected to build capitals for damn near free as well all with the reason ôWell we protect these systems for you to mine inö mean while the alliance is off somewhere else trying to claim new regions of space. The short answer is 0.0 is fine itÆs working as intended. It is you the alliance leaders that are breaking things. You are making your own space undesirable with your politics and general BS. These players have found a way to make money without having large alliances screw them over. Guess what the problem is you not the game. You are the problem with the fact you want everyone working for you and your goal. Industrialist have no problem helping as long as they arenÆt always getting the short end of the stick, they have been getting this for far too long. They have found a solution to this problem and it doesnÆt involve you, your politics, or having to pay some RMTing overlord for use of a system. They have boldly moved on to green pastures where they can carve some space of their own. The effects on the market you are seeing is the actual mining force of eve getting to do what they love to do. They are providing cheap ships for you to fly in and have all your PVP jollies. The only whinnying the 0.0 folk have is those who use a little mining on the side to feed their need for PVP.
The CSM are one track minded on this topic and seem to be blissfully ignorant. In closing all I have to say is that you made your bed, you sleep in it. This mineral issue of ABC and their value is your own doing, not broken mechanics of the game. ItÆs the doing of alliance in control of the space that provides access to these minerals. Alliances are getting too fat for their own good. They are searching for ways to support owning several regions also breaking you. People are still trying to play the game the same way they did years ago before the sov changes. You are renting space to keep things going but when people stop you expect your regions to get a boost so you can keep going on the same way. The saying ôadapt or dieö is rather fitting for the situation you are in now. But your form of adapting is rather sad. You get your people into the CSM to push forward issues you see, the issues arenÆt the game the issues are you. The sword can only strike one enemy at a time, but tactics can defeat ten thousand men at once. |
Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 17/07/2011 05:35:54
Like I said in other topics, they just want to eliminate competition to their bots. Sooner or later they'll demand sleeper sites in null. Can't wait for the great winter of nerfs.
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OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic Edited by: Jack Tronic on 17/07/2011 05:35:54
Like I said in other topics, they just want to eliminate competition to their bots. Sooner or later they'll demand sleeper sites in null. Can't wait for the great winter of nerfs.
+1
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Digital Messiah on 17/07/2011 05:45:55
Originally by: OHU812
Originally by: Jack Tronic Edited by: Jack Tronic on 17/07/2011 05:35:54
Like I said in other topics, they just want to eliminate competition to their bots. Sooner or later they'll demand sleeper sites in null. Can't wait for the great winter of nerfs.
+1
+1=2
Also a wonderful and easy read. Considering the size that it is . And I agree completely, alliances use up their miners or they choose to bot. I have had a lot of personal experience getting screwed by alliance / corp mates while mining. Everyone is trying to make a quick buck. Or the CEO of the largest corp is spewing forth talk like he is Stalin, while amounting a hideous fortune on the side.
Fix the super capital issue and the need for minerals will go up. Increasing their worth considerably.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:48:00 -
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I'll repost what I just wrote in the old thread about this:
--- Having listened to the fireside chat, it briefly touched something that makes this thing make a little bit more sense, but I got the impression that some of the CSM guys interpreted it wrong.
Maybe I got it wrong, but someone mentioned that the data suggested that Class 3 and Class 4 wormholes were pulling out large amounts of ABC. That makes a lot of sense to me, because those backend systems are relatively safe from a PvP perspective, and sleeper rats are quite easy to clear. Established settlers can mine a lot of ore from these holes, but those are by no means daytrippers jumping in from Jita. Those are people that have to fight to hold their systems and keep them safe, in many ways the same that Empire null-sec people do. But even then the ABC available from these systems must be miniscule amounts compared to empire null.
Class 1 and Class 2 systems are quite different. They are much more dangerous from a small scale pvp perspective and they only have minor amounts of high-end ore. It's possible to daytrip class 1 and class 2 holes, but it is by no means a profitable endeavour, and I very much doubt they contribute much to the influx of ore.
So is it even important to have ABC in wormholes? From an economic perspective probably not, but it is a good conflict driver and w-space would be a more boring place for everyone without it. --- |
Ruiryu
Caldari Gray Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:48:00 -
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I also forgot to mention this in a drunken state, sorry for the spelling/ grammar issues. I blame The Kraken and coke. But also I realized I forgot to mention that not all C1-C4 have static highsecs, so get static low, or even 0.0 so these systems aren't always great. The sword can only strike one enemy at a time, but tactics can defeat ten thousand men at once. |
OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:53:00 -
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Anyone have the statistics of 0.0 ABCs flooding the market? Maybe in the bot regions? I mean.. can't you keep those things running 23/7?
Lets see some stats here on both sides why don't we?
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 17/07/2011 05:54:06
Originally by: Sarina Berghil I'll repost what I just wrote in the old thread about this:
--- Having listened to the fireside chat, it briefly touched something that makes this thing make a little bit more sense, but I got the impression that some of the CSM guys interpreted it wrong.
Maybe I got it wrong, but someone mentioned that the data suggested that Class 3 and Class 4 wormholes were pulling out large amounts of ABC. That makes a lot of sense to me, because those backend systems are relatively safe from a PvP perspective, and sleeper rats are quite easy to clear. Established settlers can mine a lot of ore from these holes, but those are by no means daytrippers jumping in from Jita. Those are people that have to fight to hold their systems and keep them safe, in many ways the same that Empire null-sec people do. But even then the ABC available from these systems must be miniscule amounts compared to empire null.
Class 1 and Class 2 systems are quite different. They are much more dangerous from a small scale pvp perspective and they only have minor amounts of high-end ore. It's possible to daytrip class 1 and class 2 holes, but it is by no means a profitable endeavour, and I very much doubt they contribute much to the influx of ore.
So is it even important to have ABC in wormholes? From an economic perspective probably not, but it is a good conflict driver and w-space would be a more boring place for everyone without it. ---
Class 3s and 4s are where many people tend to carebear more hardcore than others. Why? It's the classes you can get to better sites but without the threat of invading capitals in c5s and c6s.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Perditus Peregrinus
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:01:00 -
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I just occupied a wormhole (class 3 static lowsec U210) for four days, and had some fun. Between two friends, we pulled a billion ISK out of there. But it was mostly in sleeper sites. We did mine a little, and I think we would up with about 20k Arkonor. It net about 140 mil, which was nothing to write home about.
As somebody who enjoys occasionally doing different things, I believe restricting ABC to 0.0/C4/5/6 is a poor move when you consider the risk that wormhole space brings. Diving into a hole is a very demanding task. It requires dedication, support, logistics and most of all experience. For them to be nerfed is almost like a slap in the face to players who CHOOSE not to occupy 0.0 because they don't want to be a part of a circlejerk.
Honestly, get over yourselves 0.0 holders and let the little guys have some fun, too. You get stations to dock in. W-space does not.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I just occupied a wormhole (class 3 static lowsec U210) for four days, and had some fun. Between two friends, we pulled a billion ISK out of there. But it was mostly in sleeper sites. We did mine a little, and I think we would up with about 20k Arkonor. It net about 140 mil, which was nothing to write home about.
As somebody who enjoys occasionally doing different things, I believe restricting ABC to 0.0/C4/5/6 is a poor move when you consider the risk that wormhole space brings. Diving into a hole is a very demanding task. It requires dedication, support, logistics and most of all experience. For them to be nerfed is almost like a slap in the face to players who CHOOSE not to occupy 0.0 because they don't want to be a part of a circlejerk.
Honestly, get over yourselves 0.0 holders and let the little guys have some fun, too. You get stations to dock in. W-space does not.
+1
W-space is a very different and unique experience, that mostly works well. The rewards can be very good but the effort and risk match it as one of the few places in EvE.
Some of CSM members clearly don't care much about W-space, but considering the sorry state of some parts of EvE, please don't try to work to break this little oasis as well.
Sure W-space does have issues, I can make a long list of things that could be fixed, balance issues, practical problems etc. But in large it is a relatively successful part of EvE. |
OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Honestly, get over yourselves 0.0 holders and let the little guys have some fun, too. You get stations to dock in. W-space does not.
They don't want you to have fun. They want you in their 0.0 space cta mining/pvp ops with your monthly subscription. That way they can have their shiny ships and monocles while you're mining.
It's not been about the single player for a long time. It's about corraling you into a corp or bigger alliance so you can be their slave.
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Ruiryu
Caldari Gray Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ruiryu on 17/07/2011 06:14:44 Also this forgot to add it in earlier.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2396/684eb4.jpg The sword can only strike one enemy at a time, but tactics can defeat ten thousand men at once. |
Jackson Millenius
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:16:00 -
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rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.
Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.
I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.
But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.' |
Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jackson Millenius rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.
Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.
I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.
But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol
Next thing you know, they'll claim a Fullerenes faucet killing the null market.
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OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:21:00 -
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Edited by: OHU812 on 17/07/2011 06:22:46
Originally by: Jack Tronic
Originally by: Jackson Millenius rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.
Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.
I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.
But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol
Next thing you know, they'll claim a Fullerenes faucet killing the null market.
^^THIS^^
as it has happened numerous times in the past when 0.0 holders started complaining about how mistreated they were.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Perditus Peregrinus
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jackson Millenius rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.
Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.
I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.
But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol
Imagine you're in a corporation of people who have varied talents. You have the die-hard PVPers, the self-proclaimed mining gods, the glossy-eyed explorers and the avid mission runners.
Between that group alone, you can tackle just about any site in a wormhole. So you find a wormhole that is unoccupied and has thirty or so sites/anomalies and you get to crackin. Once your explorers have scanned down all the sites, your missioners are clearing sleepers out of anomalies and various other sites like radars, magnetos and the warp-in grav/ladars. Meanwhile your PVPers are setting up bubbles on the various wormholes and screwing around looking for random targets to gank and your miners are snoring away blasting the rich rocks that the belts contain. Some are even sat in gas belts to let nothing go to waste.
There are a lot of people who play EVE, and not everybody has each skill in their repertoire. A corporation of friends who are in the game together to have fun (which is what MMOs are about) can easily find plenty to do in a wormhole if they are all from different walks of EVE. Take some of those reasons to go into a wormhole away, and you will quickly find it a wasteland as desolate as lowsec.
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Lex Starwalker
Amarr Lone Star Exploration
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:31:00 -
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+1
Well said!
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Ruiryu
Caldari Gray Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:38:00 -
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Ok I've started sobering up a little and read some of this over, I'll be doing some grammar fixes in the morning.
Also I don't mine, I can't stand mining. I'll do a little wormhole gas mining now and again. But I never keep it for myself. It goes to the corp to build stuff that I can buy at a reduced cost at some point. . . when I need stuff. . . The sword can only strike one enemy at a time, but tactics can defeat ten thousand men at once. |
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Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari Deep Space Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:47:00 -
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Dam big alliance CEO's, YOU CAN TAKE OUR ABC'S, BUT YOU WILL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 17/07/2011 07:00:00
Originally by: OHU812
as it has happened numerous times in the past when 0.0 holders started complaining about how mistreated they were.
Null is mistreated imo, but that doesnt mean CCP should nerf wormhole space.
Quote: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2396/684eb4.jpg
Nice pic.
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:05:00 -
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Wormhole ner***e screws the endgame for small corp/alliances.
Nullsec is the "big boy" territory. Your part of a large corp/alliance or you tithe to a large corp/alliance.
WH space is free for all. No sov, no cyno jammers. No predictable routes. Free for all, you take and hold (or lose) purely through strenghth of arms and/or tactics.
Nerf wormholes? **** NO....beef them up. Encourage folk to play in them. Revel in the fact that botting in wormholes IS suicide. Botting deep in cyno jammed space is just a licence to print/sell isk. Nobody gets away with afk mining in a wormhole.
Wormhole space is the best thing CCP have introduced into the game in the last couple of years. A place ANY corp can strike it big if they have balls. Nerfing it is a big middle finger to people who want to strike out on their own path.
Does CCP want to condone or condemn emergent gameplay? Or will they pander to the botting ****s in nullsec who cut off options to "join us, rent from us or die"
IM pretty much a carebear really, Ive lived in a WH then moved out. Changes to nullsec or WH space makes little difference to me aside from changing how I make profit.
Ill still argue against nerfing something that means nothing that means sod all to my bottom line purely because its
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OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:08:00 -
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Hmmm... slap a beard on the guy in the picture like yours and you'd be twins.
**Keeping in order of the OP: +1
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:33:00 -
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You have a short version? There is no way I am reading 10k characters of what is probably a defensive whine (judging by title).
But let me guess (applying logic), you spent an entire caffeine cycle blabbing about access differences twixt null and worms
If the purpose is make day-trippers lose viability then a doubling of belt spawns is much more appropriate.
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: OHU812 Hmmm... slap a beard on the guy in the picture like yours and you'd be twins.
I wish lex luthor would grow a beard like me....hope springs eternal.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lyrrashae on 17/07/2011 08:03:06 I couldn't agree more.
+111 for the OP, because he just won EVE.
W-space is the last bastion of the real EVE-Online experience, by the way: No local, no blues, no sov, no pipes, no blobs, no super-capitals, not bottable....No room for the alliance-kiddies.
It's EVE on "Normal"-mode, as far as I'm concerned.
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Elaine Solarheart
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jackson Millenius rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.
Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.
I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.
But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol
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Barbie D0ll
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah Edited by: Digital Messiah on 17/07/2011 05:45:55
Originally by: OHU812
Originally by: Jack Tronic Edited by: Jack Tronic on 17/07/2011 05:35:54
Like I said in other topics, they just want to eliminate competition to their bots. Sooner or later they'll demand sleeper sites in null. Can't wait for the great winter of nerfs.
+1
+1=2
Also a wonderful and easy read. Considering the size that it is . And I agree completely, alliances use up their miners or they choose to bot. I have had a lot of personal experience getting screwed by alliance / corp mates while mining. Everyone is trying to make a quick buck. Or the CEO of the largest corp is spewing forth talk like he is Stalin, while amounting a hideous fortune on the side.
Fix the super capital issue and the need for minerals will go up. Increasing their worth considerably.
+1=3
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Kiran
Minmatar Knights of Azrael
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:24:00 -
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The removal of ABC ores from class 1-3 wormholes will kill off the small corps that call them home.
This is what the CSM are after.
I have lived in null sec and held sov, and its something I did not enjoy. I found everyone out there to be sociopaths who only wanted to grief and kill other players. There is no industry or research that goes on because to own BPO's in a pos or station that can be easily taken is pointless so everything has to shipped in from high sec at a massive price increase.
The CSM want to control all the ABC ore so no one in high sec can buy it from the guys in the wormholes so therefore giving them a manopoly control over the ore and the price ships will be built at.
But they always state risk vs reward? It is far more risky to mine in a wormhole due to the lack of local and that you have to D-scan every minuet to make sure nothing changes. If it does then you need to be getting safe and swap ships for combat. Then you have the logistics of getting said ore back to high sec, or even refining it in the hole at a huge loss due to the ****ty refine efficency of the pos mods.
If they remove the ABC ores we should ask for the removal of local in null sec and low sec.
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