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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
493
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:58:00 -
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How much did they take you for OP? Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á |
EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
4
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:29:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:EglantinFinfleur wrote:I read that I can be whatever and whomever I want in New Eden. I've decided I want to be a vigilante and protect new, naive players who leave the game upon being scammed because they don't enjoy SM simulators and would rather play a game that sports fun gameplay, and is not an exercise in paranoia.
What are the tools available to effectively pvp against permadocked, throwaway scamming spambot alts? Oh you just said the magic words... "a game that sports fun gameplay, and is not an exercise in paranoia." If they want to do this they are obviously wrong here and should play one of the dozens of boring games that support this kind of gameplay.
There are no other sci-fi sandboxes available as of now, and I'm sure the potential customers for a fun sci-fi sandbox that is not an exercise in paranoia far outnumber the people subscribed now to EvE.
But a middle ground is very reachable: by correcting things that make no sense, above all, the unaccountability of characters relative to accounts, and the unaccountability of accounts themselves relative to IP addresses, you could still have the cold harsh universe and a way to effectively retaliate against people you want to hurt ingame.
Hell, it'd even be colder and harsher! Which present subscriber doesn't want that?
And as of now, what ways do I have, should I want to become a vigilante and harass the ingame assets of people using permadocked throwaway alts to spam scams in local? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:40:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:God forbid you read anything before you just start smashing buttons in some apoplectic frenzy. But...but...that's how I live my life...I luv frenzy... |
Natasha Taggart
137
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:52:00 -
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OP, hun, if anyone gets scammed, its basically because they failed to realize they could have prevented it by reading the WHOLE contract... also, honestly, if it seems like an awsome deal, its probably not. There are all kinds of contract, market and trade scams, and they all have one common feature... they look super sexy and offer alot for a very little.
I think its awsome how ruthless a play environment EvE is, thats one of the reasons I like it so much.
The next time anyone wants to just waste a load of isk, just send it to me, and I promise youll feel better about that than if you think your going to make a "super deal" and then lose it all because you failed to figure out the scam. At least I'll send you a nice note, and I would really be happy because Im basically poor, so poor I cant even get scammed!
space kitty thinks scams are mean (but a little funny in local when a rage breaks out) |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
121
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:35:00 -
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EglantinFinfleur wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:EglantinFinfleur wrote:I read that I can be whatever and whomever I want in New Eden. I've decided I want to be a vigilante and protect new, naive players who leave the game upon being scammed because they don't enjoy SM simulators and would rather play a game that sports fun gameplay, and is not an exercise in paranoia.
What are the tools available to effectively pvp against permadocked, throwaway scamming spambot alts? Oh you just said the magic words... "a game that sports fun gameplay, and is not an exercise in paranoia." If they want to do this they are obviously wrong here and should play one of the dozens of boring games that support this kind of gameplay. There are no other sci-fi sandboxes available as of now, and I'm sure the potential customers for a fun sci-fi sandbox that is not an exercise in paranoia far outnumber the people subscribed now to EvE. But a middle ground is very reachable: by correcting things that make no sense, above all, the unaccountability of characters relative to accounts, and the unaccountability of accounts themselves relative to IP addresses, you could still have the cold harsh universe and a way to effectively retaliate against people you want to hurt ingame. Hell, it'd even be colder and harsher! Which present subscriber doesn't want that? And as of now, what ways do I have, should I want to become a vigilante and harass the ingame assets of people using permadocked throwaway alts to spam scams in local?
Another Control Freak. IP addresses you say, surveillance I say. Not everybody lives in a country where they love it to be digitally controlled and monitored all the time...
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EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
5
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:09:00 -
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So without this accounts and character accountability which is complete fascism, tell me how I can hurt ingame assets of those permadocked throwaway spambot scamming alts?
Propose some idea so New Eden can become harsh cruel and full of consequences for them as well. |
Gerald Taric
87
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:36:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:I'm all for regulating this type of activity. Just as you get flagged for killing people on secure areas, so should this behavior be criminalized. How to punish them? well.. just out of my head
Once a player gets flagged for promoting scams he should be flagged, and all his transactions would require manual verification. That should teach the pricks. Let's say, we consider "flagging" persons as scammers: Where are the borders/lines? How should the abuse of the flagging system be prevented? ... Nice idea, but i'd say, it can not be realized without worse collareal damage.
As already stated, a close look into the contracts reveals the scam in most cases very easy. CCP already did propper formating and coloring at the contract description window, which makes checking easy.
I personally decided to ignore "Jita local" chat or similar trade hub chats. Whenever i took a look into it, almost every contract was a attempt to defraud. And concerning the (maybe existing) honest contracts: Unfortunatelly they are trampled to death by the mass of scam in the chat.
TL;DR : (1) Just ignore trade hub local chat. (2) Have a close look into every contract. --> no further programming needed. |
Gerald Taric
87
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:52:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:For every repetitive copypasta in local in Jita CONCORD should take tax in logarythmic order, from 1M to the infinity. This can easily be bypassed. This can easily be bypassed.2 This can easily be bypassed.3 This can easily be bypassed.4 This can easily be bypassed.5
got it? ;-)
What i learned in the last years is, that you cannot solve social problems with technics. And whenever someone managed to build up a successfull obstacle, it would not last very long for the next clever person appearing to bypass it in a way you never thought of. You can watch this "game" already in real life:
Antivirus companies <-> virus programmers Spammers <-> spam filter maintainer weapon technics <-> defence technics captcha developers <-> bot programmers and so on and so on |
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
14
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:56:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:Space Therapist wrote:seeing how scammers have to work for their isk ....just as any others in eve and chatting with many of them what chat? they just link a contract and hope some sucker clicks it
I am going to guess that is a self reference.
I just wonder how much you would cry when contracts were not color coded.
Eve requires reading comprehension to level 5.
learn from it and move on ... or you know about that fool and his money thing |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:12:00 -
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Leave the scammers alone. They provide 'flavor'.
They also provide real life training. I look at everything sales related and the first thing I ask is "Is this a scam?"...and sometimes the answer is yes.
To add a story:
I was in Jita once and along the endless rolls of scam came a link to a contract of an outfitted ship I needed at a great price. The person said "he just wanted to get rid of it/was sick of it".
I looked over the contract and couldn't see anything wrong. I looked at it again and again.
Finally, I accepted it. Guess what happened?
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It was legit! I couldn't believe it. There was actually a contract on Jita local that wasn't a scam, wasn't overpriced etc.
To this day I am still in shock. |
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Shadow Ripper
Temple of Blood
8
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:19:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote: Because it's a dark oh so scary universe. For them however it's all butterflies and meadows. Lot's of talk of risk vs reward here, so why not spice it up a bit.
this guy get's it.
Unfortunately the majority of the feedback here goes toward the acceptance of these scams because they fit in the game's universe. I can see why you see that. We have traders, miners, fighters, explorers, manufacturers, pirates and, well, scammers.
Unfortunately the latter has total impunity over their actions. You can't kill him. He'll stay docked. He'll continue to spam. And some sucker will eventually fall for its tricks. They can't be stopped. They win.
So the question is, why should they get away with it? Maybe if you're into doing bad stuff in the game you'll enjoy it, but the other ones who strive for security, balance and justice can't do nothing about it. I vote for a change on that! Give us the tools to get back at them! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
191
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:25:00 -
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The golden rule of any scammer is to achieve a situation where the Rupert thinks that he's smarter than the scammer.
So every time that you find a deal that seems either to good to be true or that you've have found a way to outsmart a scammer, you're most likely a prime target.
Unless of course that you are sure that you are much smarter than the scammer that are out to get your isk.
If that happens to be the case then I've got a barely used bridge in NY City that I have to sell fast and cheap.
Scams in EvE isn't a problem and they have never been.
Connect brain before clicking accept and don't think that you are smarter than someone else until you have the isk in your hand.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
28
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:26:00 -
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Got it, but what about filters? Of course they will try harder, but it's some succes already, make it harder. :-)
And there was other option, when in trade hub (for people > 300), make people pay to use local channel, you take valuable place in this chat! |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
297
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Posted - 2012.09.20 20:29:00 -
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Never trust the link you see blindly.
Links are easy to edit.
Cute kitten picture here
Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3332
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Posted - 2012.09.20 20:33:00 -
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Yes this is quite true, if you would like another example I can show you how to scam anyone in five easy steps here.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Taedrin
Virtues Corporation Yulai Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.09.20 20:44:00 -
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As Chribs mentioned: Don't hate the scam. Hate the spam. |
Mallak Azaria
616
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:31:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:So you're agreeing with what i said only except you'd not name good but rather evil and benign evil. My point still stands. Actions > consequences.
Action: You were scammed. Consequence: Your stuff is now mine.
Everything is in order here.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
25
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:39:00 -
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Methesda wrote:EglantinFinfleur wrote:How exactly can you get back at a scammer who never undocks?
Is this a cold and harsh universe for him? Easy, don't fall for his scam. Then they spend 6 months spamming a games chat channel, before stopping with the realisation that they are wasting their life.
This^ See my bio for rates and services. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1096
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:00:00 -
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There are better, easier ways to scam, I think.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1977
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:07:00 -
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OP is trolling. No human being is remotely masochistic enough to read jita local.
Hint: If it's really a good deal, it doesn't need to be posted anywhere, people will find it. You know... morons. |
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations Damned Nation
27
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:44:00 -
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Never fallen for a scam myself, but have scammed many a pilot with the faction mod contract scam, and all I can say is that if you use that thing behind your forehead you won't get scammed. Pretty simple pew pew 24/7 |
Lord Arakkis
Loud and Proud
58
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:26:00 -
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So, is this OP suggestion more things changed to make EVE easier? No thanks. Your still a child in the eyes of the universe |
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
190
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:38:00 -
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Lord Arakkis wrote:So, is this OP suggestion more things changed to make EVE easier? No thanks.
How is risk easier? easy mode is having no consequences. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
761
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Posted - 2012.09.21 06:36:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:well lets be honest here. What happened was contract was - you pay 350 mil - you get plex -you also pay plex
it SHOULD have failed unless he had a plex in his hanger to start, but it doesn't. the game takes your isk, gives you a plex then takes it right back. when in reality it shouldn't, yea it is an old scam but it is confusing to newer players and tbh it's stupid. I am all for scams, but it might as well be considered a bug in the contract system that never got fixed. Interesting. I though it only works "against" people who buy several plex at once (and thus have that plex they are supposed to pay accordingly to the contract). But it's not like EVE doesn't check if you have requested items when contract is accepted, so if it indeed works this way, it's strange and smells like intended (if lame) design. Still, reading your contract works fine. i'm not 100% sure about if it works, but I am pretty sure it does.
you are right, it is in the contract, and it is easy to avoid, but it's still bad design in a way. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4792
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:24:00 -
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turns out that "975000 Mexallon for 55 isk/unit" was actually 97500 Mexallon for 550 isk/unit
"how can I get back at this guy THIS GAME IS SO UNFAIR that was COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INAVOIDABLE" please leave |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:24:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:Unfortunately the latter has total impunity over their actions. You can't kill him. He'll stay docked. He'll continue to spam. And some sucker will eventually fall for its tricks. They can't be stopped. The only way to win... is not to play.
dawwwwwww GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á
never forget
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
61
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Posted - 2012.09.21 10:54:00 -
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Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:No
Thanks, you just gave me square 3-1 for the day! (See sig) EvE Forum Bingo |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
305
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:02:00 -
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Economic Darwinism at its finest. |
Jester Fate
Odyssey Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.06 21:42:00 -
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So is this a thread to report scammers or is it a thread for scammers to talk about how great they are at it? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1218
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Posted - 2012.10.06 21:50:00 -
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It's a numbers game baby. If X% of people will fall for the scam than what you make is simply a function of how many people you can put your scam in front of. Keep it simple. That's it.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Cthulhu, why settle for a lesser evil? I think I just found my new corp chat MOTD and corp saying ^
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