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Shadow Ripper
Temple of Blood
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:44:00 -
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So after a long absence of this game i gave it another shot..
Have been travelling on several other market hubs but when i entered in Jita.. wow.
The scamming is absurd. Buying plex for 350mil, only to find out you'll also give a plex along with 350 mil... or buying 2plex for 1.2b only to find out he'll only pay1.2m
wtf?
I'm all into the player-run thing but i think this is over the top. I've read many scams in the past.. like ponzi schemes turned bad or corporation thievery. Those are classy. It takes effort.
But this? Pure absurd. There's no merit in this. People are deliberatly, in-your-face, taking advantage of a game mechanic in order to trick you into basically giving away your wealth, and more.
I'm all for regulating this type of activity. Just as you get flagged for killing people on secure areas, so should this behavior be criminalized. How to punish them? well.. just out of my head
Once a player gets flagged for promoting scams he should be flagged, and all his transactions would require manual verification. That should teach the pricks. |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach.
61
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:50:00 -
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No |
Shadow Ripper
Temple of Blood
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:50:00 -
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why, you scam too? |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach.
61
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:51:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:why, you scam too?
No |
Shadow Ripper
Temple of Blood
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:52:00 -
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then go away, you bring nothing into the discussion |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4740
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:52:00 -
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What, you can't take the time to look at a contract before accepting it?
please leave |
Jonah Gravenstein
1323
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:55:00 -
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Scammers take advantage of stupidity & laziness, if you read the contracts carefully you have next to nil risk of getting scammed.
TL;DR Treat every contract as a scam and learn to read
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach.
61
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:56:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:then go away, you bring nothing into the discussion
I answered your question.
It's a sandbox, I don't need some ever present big brother to tell me how I sell my stuff.
However, I'm not against setting up a "contract history" rating coming from buyers of contract... |
Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
13
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:59:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:So after a long absence of this game i gave it another shot..
Have been travelling on several other market hubs but when i entered in Jita.. wow.
The scamming is absurd. Buying plex for 350mil, only to find out you'll also give a plex along with 350 mil... or buying 2plex for 1.2b only to find out he'll only pay1.2m
wtf?
I'm all into the player-run thing but i think this is over the top. I've read many scams in the past.. like ponzi schemes turned bad or corporation thievery. Those are classy. It takes effort.
But this? Pure absurd. There's no merit in this. People are deliberatly, in-your-face, taking advantage of a game mechanic in order to trick you into basically giving away your wealth, and more.
I'm all for regulating this type of activity. Just as you get flagged for killing people on secure areas, so should this behavior be criminalized. How to punish them? well.. just out of my head
Once a player gets flagged for promoting scams he should be flagged, and all his transactions would require manual verification. That should teach the pricks.
eve is a regulated democracy where everything is fair and we all live happily ever after. everyone is honest, caring and loving.
no wait. that's RL.
no wait..... |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:00:00 -
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God forbid you read anything before you just start smashing buttons in some apoplectic frenzy. |
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Khan Jak
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:01:00 -
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Be as it may, this game is all about Good vs Evil.
What good is Good for if you can't fight Evil?
You get kill rights, you can play bounties, you have a security status. That's Good vs Evil well implemented.
But scaming? that's just basically not acknowledging the evilness in the act. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:02:00 -
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Khan Jak wrote:Be as it may, this game is all about Good vs Evil.
What good is Good for if you can't fight Evil?
You get kill rights, you can play bounties, you have a security status. That's Good vs Evil well implemented.
But scaming? that's just basically not acknowledging the evilness in the act.
No not really. You'll find the "Good guys" in this game are just as big a pack of arseholes as the badguys. So what you have is more of evil versus slightly more benign evil. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1323
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:04:00 -
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Cthulhu, why settle for a lesser evil?
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Shadow Ripper
Temple of Blood
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:04:00 -
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So you're agreeing with what i said only except you'd not name good but rather evil and benign evil. My point still stands.
Actions > consequences.
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Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:04:00 -
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I used to be more sympathetic toward scamming victims. But after seeing how they have to work for their isk ....just as any others in eve and chatting with many of them in Amarr local(i live there not Jita) ....and since it is a part of the game design......I am in full support of scammers and what they do.
You sir need to accept it or go play another game.
See my bio for rates and services. |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:05:00 -
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Just like the Human Centipad with contracts, YOU DIDN'T READ IT!
Jade Constantine, self-made space harlot. News at 11.
http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
Shadow Ripper
Temple of Blood
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:09:00 -
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Space Therapist wrote:seeing how scammers have to work for their isk ....just as any others in eve and chatting with many of them
what chat? they just link a contract and hope some sucker clicks it |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
473
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:11:00 -
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Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liasions (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:11:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:Space Therapist wrote:seeing how scammers have to work for their isk ....just as any others in eve and chatting with many of them what chat? they just link a contract and hope some sucker clicks it
Eves contracting system is really like... unfun man. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:11:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor.
This is americuh., |
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EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society
Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
2
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:20:00 -
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Scammers don't take advantage of stupidity. They take advantage of the fact that gamers actually believe that EvE is a game, that is, an activity that brings people together for the enjoyment of all, in a collective effort to have fun and a good time together.
Little do they know that CCP discovered that online sociopathy and masochism is a bountiful niche.
That wouldn't be as big of a problem if you could actually enact revenge against the scammers, but it's absolutely impossible since scammers use throwaway or never-undocking alts, and you cannot know which characters belong to the same player, if you'd ever wish to take action against other characters controlled by him.
This is why scamming can be considered as the epitome and most sweet pvp in EvE. It's absolutely void of consequences and takes zero effort except copypasting in local. You can also ridicule the victims, pretend they're utterly dumb and you're doing New Eden a social darwinism service by getting rid of those people, who are in fact standard gamers that naively believe that EvE is a game.
When it's fact it's a frustration and sociopathy based social network platform for sadists, masochists and sci-fi fiends waiting for a better universe that actually behaves like a game.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor.
That sort of stuff belongs IRL, where you double-check contracts to make sure you're not being played.
In a game where you roleplay a pod pilot who can single-handedly control a spacecraft and access all kinds of information through automation, that's just blatant bad game design pandering to sadists and masochists. You'd think that in New Eden, software would double-check everything in the contract so the pod pilot isn't scammed.
Now, if there were skills to actually create false contracts or other sorts of scams, and a way to get back at the scammer, that's what I'd call great game design.
However, why bother creating something coherent when players are dumb enough to enjoy using a game not as a game, but as an online S&M experience? |
Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:24:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:Space Therapist wrote:seeing how scammers have to work for their isk ....just as any others in eve and chatting with many of them what chat? they just link a contract and hope some sucker clicks it
well contact scams aside...I do talk a lot with scammers.
See my bio for rates and services. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:27:00 -
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Every contract is a scam, even the legit ones.
Use the market. |
ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire
Fatal Ascension
8
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:45:00 -
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1/10
:( |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
587
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:57:00 -
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Space Therapist wrote:Shadow Ripper wrote:Space Therapist wrote:seeing how scammers have to work for their isk ....just as any others in eve and chatting with many of them what chat? they just link a contract and hope some sucker clicks it well contact scams aside...I do talk a lot with scammers.
haha me too. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1493
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:59:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Every contract is a scam, even the legit ones.
Use the market.
But my booster addiction ~
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ghazu
196
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:30:00 -
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Stop gawking like a lost tourist. |
Riot Girl
Perkone
Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:43:00 -
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It does seem silly that Concord allow people to scam so blatantly in local. It's not like they're good scams and I can't imagine it's all that profitable for the scammers either. On the other hand, it does add life to Jita local to give it that third world street market appeal... you know the kind of place where they beg tourists to buy their fake Rolex watches or some souvenir junk. Maybe India or somewhere like that. |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures
Surely You're Joking
215
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:54:00 -
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EglantinFinfleur wrote: That sort of stuff belongs IRL, where you double-check contracts to make sure you're not being played. It has no place in an online game, which is supposed to help you unwind, where everybody should have fun and in which you should assess, as a game designer, the fact that people who don't know each other will willingly take advantage of random strangers in the most vicious ways. And though EvE is supposed to be a cold harsh universe, it could be in ways that make it fun (RPG) and not an experience in paranoia.
right, games are 100% supposed to always be about "unwinding", Chess is a game, a game that is 90% of the time frustrating and taken way too seriosuly, same with football, soccer, and hell, any game out there that is competitive is rarely played for NOTHING but fun.
EvE's sandbox means that competition in this game is higher then most any other MMO, and because you cant just casually rank your character to max level with epic-loot-purples like in WoW, instead having to actually play and crush OTHERS to get ahead, yeah, there wont be much "casual relax, happy fun time" in eve.
i apologize if im incoherent, i just had dental work after an 18 hour shift at work and i am spacing the hell out. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
753
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Posted - 2012.09.19 07:45:00 -
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well lets be honest here. What happened was
contract was
- you pay 350 mil
- you get plex
-you also pay plex
it SHOULD have failed unless he had a plex in his hanger to start, but it doesn't. the game takes your isk, gives you a plex then takes it right back. when in reality it shouldn't, yea it is an old scam but it is confusing to newer players and tbh it's stupid.
I am all for scams, but it might as well be considered a bug in the contract system that never got fixed. |
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